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Ian Murray
13-11-2008, 09:46 AM
We don't have to wait that long in Brisbane - games start at midnight :)

Ian Murray
13-11-2008, 12:17 PM
Everything being equal, we should be playing Bermuda in Rd 1 while our girls play Nigeria.

A no-show or two would soon put paid to those predictions

ER
13-11-2008, 02:59 PM
Round 1 is 3-9 pm tonight German time. Deutschland is 10 hours behind Australien so that sounds like 1-7 am our time tomorrow.

Jawohl mein Führer! :P

Ian Rout
13-11-2008, 04:37 PM
I found the team list again.

http://www.dresden2008.de/site/en/media/outlook08/main.htm

I think the women might be playing Slovakia.

Capablanca-Fan
13-11-2008, 05:10 PM
Kramnik's leading Russia, but no Anand for India. Carlsen has a good chance for Board 1 prize since his board 2 (former teacher Agdestein) is 200 points less.

Ian Murray
13-11-2008, 05:48 PM
I think the women might be playing Slovakia.
Australia ranked 54/116 so should be paired with 112th (Nigeria) I would have thought. Slovakia is 15th.

Do you know something I don't? Admittedly I'm using standard Swiss rules, without checking anything Olympiad-specific.

Garvinator
13-11-2008, 06:25 PM
Australia ranked 54/116 so should be paired with 112th (Nigeria) I would have thought. Slovakia is 15th.

Do you know something I don't? Admittedly I'm using standard Swiss rules, without checking anything Olympiad-specific.
Accelerated pairings are being used.

Ian Murray
13-11-2008, 06:43 PM
Accelerated pairings are being used.
Now that just might make a difference!

ER
13-11-2008, 07:06 PM
Look at the average rating of the first four teams!!!

MichaelBaron
13-11-2008, 07:32 PM
Bermuda team is easy to thrash. Any score other than 4-0 should come as a big surprise. However in the second round, a really tough pairing could be anticipated.

Ian Murray
13-11-2008, 09:13 PM
Bermuda team is easy to thrash. Any score other than 4-0 should come as a big surprise. However in the second round, a really tough pairing could be anticipated.
Back to Square 1 - first two rounds are accelerated (although hardly necessary with an 11-round tournament).

Assuming no unpaired forfeits, we play Romania in Rd 1, with our women vs Cuba.

eclectic
13-11-2008, 09:17 PM
Back to Square 1 - first two rounds are accelerated (although hardly necessary with an 11-round tournament.

most likely acceleration occurs to "realign" with a standard 15 or 16 rd tournament which is what olympiads usually are

William AS
13-11-2008, 09:36 PM
Back to Square 1 - first two rounds are accelerated (although hardly necessary with an 11-round tournament).

I agree 11 rounds should be more than enough. Accellerated pairings are crap at the best of times but this is silly.:doh:

William AS
13-11-2008, 09:42 PM
most likely acceleration occurs to "realign" with a standard 15 or 16 rd tournament which is what olympiads usually are
I have often wondered about some of the FIDE decision making. If this is how their minds are working it tends to confirm what I have suspected.;)

Bill Gletsos
13-11-2008, 10:37 PM
Pairings for the first round are up.

On board 18 Australia (53) V Czech Republic (18)

In the Women's section on board 26 Australia (54) V Belarus (26)

Bill Gletsos
13-11-2008, 10:42 PM
36. NZ (72) V Trinidad & Tobago (113)

57. Uruguay (94) v PNG (136)

Capablanca-Fan
13-11-2008, 11:24 PM
Are the games anywhere? Flukey is playing for NZ.

Bill Gletsos
13-11-2008, 11:26 PM
18.1 GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567 - GM Navara David 2633
18.2 IM Smerdon David 2470 - GM Hracek Zbynek 2613
18.3 IM Solomon Stephen J 2470 - GM Laznicka Viktor 2591
18.4 IM Xie George Wendi 2403 - GM Babula Vlastimil 2608

MichaelBaron
13-11-2008, 11:27 PM
Pairings for the first round are up.

On board 18 Australia (53) V Czech Republic (18)

In the Women's section on board 26 Australia (54) V Belarus (26)

Wow tough luck

Kevin Bonham
13-11-2008, 11:42 PM
Well, we have to play against strong teams sometime! And while Czech are strong, they may not be completely out of our league. Will be an interesting match; shame about the time of night our time it is on (I have to do some work tomorrow, sob!)

Ivanchuk_Fan
14-11-2008, 05:44 AM
Round 1 Open on 2008/11/13 at 15.03
Bo. 53 Australia (AUS) Rtg - 18 Czech Republic (CZE) Rtg 0.5 : 3.5
18.1 GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567 - GM Navara David 2633 ½ : ½
18.2 IM Smerdon David 2470 - GM Hracek Zbynek 2613 0 : 1
18.3 IM Solomon Stephen J 2470 - GM Laznicka Viktor 2591 0 : 1
18.4 IM Xie George Wendi 2403 - GM Babula Vlastimil 2608 0 : 1

Round 1 Women on 2008/11/13 at 15.03
Bo. 54 Australia (AUS) Rtg - 26 Belarus (BLR) Rtg 2 : 2
26.1 WIM Caoili Arianne 2170 - WGM Sharevich Anna 2322 1 : 0
26.2 Nguyen Thu Giang 2101 - WIM Popova Natalija 2264 ½ : ½
26.3 WIM Moylan Laura 2114 - WIM Azarova Nadezhda 2308 ½ : ½
26.4 WIM Dekic Biljana N 2103 - WIM Berlin Tatiana 2218 0 : 1

Ian_Rogers
14-11-2008, 05:46 AM
Giang drew, Biljana lost - there are lots of wrong or missing results on the web site.

Ian

Igor_Goldenberg
14-11-2008, 06:30 AM
Which website has games and results?

Watto
14-11-2008, 07:29 AM
Which website has games and results?
http://www.dresden2008.de/site/en/main.htm

Ian Murray
14-11-2008, 08:15 AM
Which website has games and results?
Hard to find from the home page - go direct at http://schachlive.dresden2008.de/live.team.games.m.eng.html

Igor_Goldenberg
14-11-2008, 08:21 AM
Thanks Watto and Ian

Ian Rout
14-11-2008, 08:36 AM
Hard to find from the home page - go direct at http://schachlive.dresden2008.de/live.team.games.m.eng.html
Good advice. The site is up to the usual abominable standard for such events. The easily accessible places are reserved for piffle and the parts people want to find are well hidden.

Going to the list of teams, if you can find it, gives you a photo spread of the German team and a link to the rest which returns a 404. At least it does in the English version, haven't tried the German. Why English speakers would especially want to see the German team is a mystery, it's enough to make you want to mention the war.

Watto
14-11-2008, 08:45 AM
Good advice. The site is up to the usual abominable standard for such events. The easily accessible places are reserved for piffle and the parts people want to find are well hidden.

:hmm: I didn't find it all that difficult. I just went to the main page, scrolled down to Live Coverage Chess Olympiad and clicked on 'all players and many more'; it takes you to everything you want. Or everything I wanted. ;)

Maybe I'm missing something.

Qbert
14-11-2008, 09:59 AM
Are the games anywhere? Flukey is playing for NZ.

The NZ men didn't have a great start, but the women managed a clean sweep:
Round 1 on 2008/11/13 at 15:00
Bo. 76 NZL New Zealand (NZL) Rtg - 106 ARU Aruba (ARU) Rtg 4 : 0
48.1 WFM Milligan Helen 1957 - Bakker Elsbeth E. 0 1 - 0
48.2 WFM Maroroa Sue 1938 - Dania Manuelle S. 0 1 - 0
48.3 Gao Judy 1896 - Jacobs Annelaine 0 1 - 0
48.4 WCM Smith Vivian J 1858 - Arbona Avila Zaily M. 0 1 - 0

Bo. 72 NZL New Zealand (NZL) Rtg - 113 TRI Trinidad & Tobago (TRI) Rtg 1 : 3
36.1 IM Dive Russell John 2357 - FM Harper Ryan 2233 0 - 1
36.2 FM Smith Robert W 2316 - FM Merritt Mario 2123 0 - 1
36.3 FM Nokes Roger I 2293 - FM Cave Christo 2250 1 - 0
36.4 FM Lukey Stephen G 2271 - Singh Ravishen 2084 0 - 1

You can view the Rd1 games here http://schachlive.dresden2008.de/old.games.m.eng.html, but pgn is not available yet.

Igor_Goldenberg
14-11-2008, 10:09 AM
After Solo gave two bishops for a rook and 3 pawns, it seemed better for white. Why did he play 27.Qg4 instead of 27.f4?

Adamski
14-11-2008, 10:12 AM
Round 1 Open on 2008/11/13 at 15.03
Bo. 53 Australia (AUS) Rtg - 18 Czech Republic (CZE) Rtg 0.5 : 3.5
18.1 GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567 - GM Navara David 2633 ½ : ½
18.2 IM Smerdon David 2470 - GM Hracek Zbynek 2613 0 : 1
18.3 IM Solomon Stephen J 2470 - GM Laznicka Viktor 2591 0 : 1
18.4 IM Xie George Wendi 2403 - GM Babula Vlastimil 2608 0 : 1

Round 1 Women on 2008/11/13 at 15.03
Bo. 54 Australia (AUS) Rtg - 26 Belarus (BLR) Rtg 2 : 2
26.1 WIM Caoili Arianne 2170 - WGM Sharevich Anna 2322 1 : 0
26.2 Nguyen Thu Giang 2101 - WIM Popova Natalija 2264 ½ : ½
26.3 WIM Moylan Laura 2114 - WIM Azarova Nadezhda 2308 ½ : ½
26.4 WIM Dekic Biljana N 2103 - WIM Berlin Tatiana 2218 0 : 1Well done to the NZ and Aussie women!:clap: But sadly, only Roger Nokes won for the NZ men and went down 1-3 to a lower ranked team.

Ian Murray
14-11-2008, 10:12 AM
:hmm: I didn't find it all that difficult. I just went to the main page, scrolled down to Live Coverage Chess Olympiad and clicked on 'all players and many more'; it takes you to everything you want. Or everything I wanted. ;)

Maybe I'm missing something.
'All players etc' takes you to the Swiss Manager site, which has everything you want in the way of numbers.

Clicking the 'Live' icon on the official home page takes you to the board results, where you can drill down to the games. Cumbersome - I couldn't find the games from the official site at first attempt and used google to find the direct link from another site.

You must be more cleverer than me :)

Ian Murray
14-11-2008, 10:13 AM
Well done to the Aussie women!:clap:
Nice to see Arianne in form, with the step up to Board 1

MichaelBaron
14-11-2008, 10:15 AM
So far, the ladies are carrying the flags for both Aus NZ high! :clap:

2-2 draw with Belorussia is a very good result. As for men, the team got outclassed - but thats Ok -its just the start. There are 10 more rounds for Auzzies to produced some good upsets. Do not want to tease New Zealanders on this site, but at least we lost to a worthy opponent ;)

Kevin Bonham
14-11-2008, 10:17 AM
Round 1 Women on 2008/11/13 at 15.03
Bo. 54 Australia (AUS) Rtg - 26 Belarus (BLR) Rtg 2 : 2

That's a terrific result given that we were outrated by 100+ points on every board. Shame about the other one, I thought we might have a hope of giving Czech some problems but obviously they were too good.

The game viewer on the official site looks fancy, but like many others apparently lacks the obvious option of downloading the game you are playing through, even though it has to download a PGN file itself to operate (is there a manual hack around to get the PGN by simply entering the displayed URL of the PGN file?). FIDE need to get their act together and ban game viewers that lack this option. :D

kinderchocolate
14-11-2008, 10:49 AM
George was trashed. From a quick look, Was 12... Bd6 a mistake? Would 12...Rb8 better? He never had a chance to play c5.

Watto
14-11-2008, 10:49 AM
You must be more cleverer than me :)
Nah, it’s just that I honed my skills on the old CV website. After you’ve climbed Mt Everest, everything else is a walk in the park... ;)

Davidflude
14-11-2008, 10:50 AM
What time Australian do the games start.

Igor_Goldenberg
14-11-2008, 11:13 AM
George was trashed. From a quick look, Was 12... Bd6 a mistake? Would 12...Rb8 better? He never had a chance to play c5.
It's a bit hard to comment on his game. 13...Re8 turned out to be a mistake in a retrospective, but it's very hard to foresee the results of complications started by 14.e4.

A possible plan for black could be:
Play a5, exchange on b4, play b5, try to put knight on c4. White usually counter it with e4 (as Babula played anyway).

Adamski
14-11-2008, 11:14 AM
1 am in our states I think, David. Sleepless nights in store for those in Australasia wanting to follow the rounds closely!

Phil Bourke
14-11-2008, 11:15 AM
What time Australian do the games start.
1 am New South Wales time. Hope that helps.

Ian Rout
14-11-2008, 12:03 PM
:hmm: I didn't find it all that difficult. I just went to the main page, scrolled down to Live Coverage Chess Olympiad and clicked on 'all players and many more'; it takes you to everything you want. Or everything I wanted. ;)

Maybe I'm missing something.
No, not missing anything. I don't believe that link was there earlier and being stuck in the body of the text rather than prominently placed in the main task bar isn't obvious especially to a returning visitor.

On another matter, does anybody know if rankings for pairing purposes go Match points then Game points then Seeding or just Match>Seeding? (I suppose this will become obvious when Round 2 pairings appear)

Watto
14-11-2008, 12:15 PM
The Aussie open team play El Salvador in round 2. The women play Lithuania.

NZ Open team are paired up against Macau, the women get Estonia.

Davidflude
14-11-2008, 12:18 PM
1 am New South Wales time. Hope that helps.

yes it does help, I will watch when I get home from chess club and after the rugby tomorrow night.

Capablanca-Fan
14-11-2008, 01:40 PM
The NZ men didn't have a great start, but the women managed a clean sweep:
Round 1 on 2008/11/13 at 15:00
Bo. 76 NZL New Zealand (NZL) Rtg - 106 ARU Aruba (ARU) Rtg 4 : 0
48.1 WFM Milligan Helen 1957 - Bakker Elsbeth E. 0 1 - 0
48.2 WFM Maroroa Sue 1938 - Dania Manuelle S. 0 1 - 0
48.3 Gao Judy 1896 - Jacobs Annelaine 0 1 - 0
48.4 WCM Smith Vivian J 1858 - Arbona Avila Zaily M. 0 1 - 0

Bo. 72 NZL New Zealand (NZL) Rtg - 113 TRI Trinidad & Tobago (TRI) Rtg 1 : 3
36.1 IM Dive Russell John 2357 - FM Harper Ryan 2233 0 - 1
36.2 FM Smith Robert W 2316 - FM Merritt Mario 2123 0 - 1
36.3 FM Nokes Roger I 2293 - FM Cave Christo 2250 1 - 0
36.4 FM Lukey Stephen G 2271 - Singh Ravishen 2084 0 - 1


Not a good start for the blokes. a 4-0 to them wouldn't have been a surprise on paper.

Igor_Goldenberg
14-11-2008, 01:54 PM
The Aussie open team play El Salvador in round 2. The women play Lithuania.

NZ Open team are paired up against Macau, the women get Estonia.
Our girls have a tough matches. Good luck!
Hope the men will have a chance to recover.

Denis_Jessop
14-11-2008, 02:32 PM
I see that the official website gives the Australian Women's team result as 2.5 - 1.5 with a win to Arianne and draws to the other three. If correct that's a very good start as we were out-rated by about 150 points on each board.

DJ

bergil
14-11-2008, 02:37 PM
I see that the official website gives the Australian Women's team result as 2.5 - 1.5 with a win to Arianne and draws to the other three. If correct that's a very good start as we were out-rated by about 150 points on each board.

DJIts not see post 272

Bill Gletsos
14-11-2008, 02:38 PM
Round 2 Open

24. Philippines (38) - Algeria (80)
35. El Salvador (92) - Australia (53)
54. Macau (130) - New Zealand (72)
60. Papua New Guinea (136) - Sri Lanka (114)

Women

32. New Zealand (76) - Estonia (46)
39. Philippines (51) - Greece (19)
40. Australia (54) - Lithuania (23)

WhiteElephant
14-11-2008, 02:40 PM
A few interesting results in other games too, particularly Bulgaria losing to Germany 2 while resting Topalov.

Bo. 41 GER Germany 2 (GER2) Rtg - 6 BUL Bulgaria (BUL) Rtg 2½:1½

7.1 GM Meier Georg 2558 - GM Cheparinov Ivan 2696 1 - 0
7.2 IM Braun Arik 2567 - GM Georgiev Kiril 2645 1 - 0
7.3 GM Bindrich Falko 2517 - GM Delchev Aleksander 2632 ½ - ½
7.4 IM Bogner Sebastian 2448 - GM Iotov Valentin 2532 0 - 1

Denis_Jessop
14-11-2008, 02:43 PM
Its not see post 272

Perhaps it's best to rely on the Swiss master man who seems to have it right probably because they are using his programme. :)

DJ

WhiteElephant
14-11-2008, 02:46 PM
By the way, is the winner determined on rounds won or individual games won?

I see that round 2 is paired based on whether a team won or lost a round rather than on the winning margin, so you have teams on 4 playing teams on 2.5.

Adamski
14-11-2008, 02:55 PM
By the way, is the winner determined on rounds won or individual games won?

I see that round 2 is paired based on whether a team won or lost a round rather than on the winning margin, so you have teams on 4 playing teams on 2.5.I read somewhere that there is a different points scoring system this time. Something like 2 points for a match win (whatever the margin) and 1 for a draw.

Igor_Goldenberg
14-11-2008, 03:01 PM
A few interesting results in other games too, particularly Bulgaria losing to Germany 2 while resting Topalov.

Bo. 41 GER Germany 2 (GER2) Rtg - 6 BUL Bulgaria (BUL) Rtg 2½:1½

7.1 GM Meier Georg 2558 - GM Cheparinov Ivan 2696 1 - 0
7.2 IM Braun Arik 2567 - GM Georgiev Kiril 2645 1 - 0
7.3 GM Bindrich Falko 2517 - GM Delchev Aleksander 2632 ½ - ½
7.4 IM Bogner Sebastian 2448 - GM Iotov Valentin 2532 0 - 1
Excellent result by Germany II. I noticed that Germany has one of the highest "density" of top players. Their average top 10 rank is 11, but their average top 100 is 3rd or 2nd (with Russia being #1, and Ukraine 2nd or 3rd)

Ian Rout
14-11-2008, 03:29 PM
I read somewhere that there is a different points scoring system this time. Something like 2 points for a match win (whatever the margin) and 1 for a draw.
Yes it's match points, unlike previously. Game points would presumably be the first tie-break.

Garvinator
14-11-2008, 04:00 PM
Is anyone able to work out precisely how the pairings have been done for the open section?

Here are the pairings for round two:
http://chess-results.info/tnr16314.aspx?art=2&rd=2&lan=1&flag=30&m=-1

I can not find the regulations governing pairings.

Ian Murray
14-11-2008, 04:02 PM
Yes it's match points, unlike previously. Game points would presumably be the first tie-break.
Note that this round it's Australia 0.5 vs El Salvador 3.5

We actually have a notional score of 2.5. Along with the other teams in the top half of the rankings we have a ghost 2 pts for the first two rounds, being accelerated

Ian Murray
14-11-2008, 04:09 PM
Is anyone able to work out precisely how the pairings have been done for the open section?

I can not find the regulations governing pairings.

Great minds think alike - I was writing my post as were you. Adding the notional 2 pts to the top half should make it all fall into place.

Bill Gletsos
14-11-2008, 04:22 PM
I can not find the regulations governing pairings.They are here (http://www.fide.com/info/handbook?id=95&view=article).

Ian Rout
14-11-2008, 04:59 PM
Now that's sorted, how can we do at playing team captain? I'll predict Smerdon to be rested for the Open and Dekic for the Women.

WhiteElephant
14-11-2008, 06:19 PM
Yes it's match points, unlike previously. Game points would presumably be the first tie-break.

That explains why all the Russian players took draws after Morozevich won, and similar patterns in some other matches.

Miranda
14-11-2008, 06:21 PM
That explains why all the Russian players took draws after Morozevich won, and similar patterns in some other matches.

Real-life tactics! ;)

Garrett
14-11-2008, 06:24 PM
That explains why all the Russian players took draws after Morozevich won, and similar patterns in some other matches.

perhaps the Olympiad should be unrated ?

Capablanca-Fan
14-11-2008, 06:45 PM
That explains why all the Russian players took draws after Morozevich won, and similar patterns in some other matches.
A good reason why scoring by match points is "stupid", to quote Pax.

Ian Murray
14-11-2008, 07:38 PM
perhaps the Olympiad should be unrated ?

If you care to put the motion to the FIDE Congress, I'll second it

Miranda
14-11-2008, 07:47 PM
But that'll just encourage more draws with lower-rated players!

I want to see quality chess here, not just team tactics!

Denis_Jessop
14-11-2008, 07:51 PM
If you care to put the motion to the FIDE Congress, I'll second it

In fact the ACF has already resolved that this should be raised at the Congress or some other way in Dresden and we have also opposed match points as the determinant. It's quite ratty in my view.

DJ

ER
14-11-2008, 08:52 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_H0t3_1AFH50/SRyNrVGj_qI/AAAAAAAAC0Y/VtkA5KhDCLs/s1600-h/Dresden_Round_1_118.JPG

From the Greek Chess Press
Cheers

Miranda
14-11-2008, 09:00 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_H0t3_1AFH50/SRyNrVGj_qI/AAAAAAAAC0Y/VtkA5KhDCLs/s1600-h/Dresden_Round_1_118.JPG

From the Greek Chess Press
Cheers

wow.. so many cameras!


White on the board closest to the camera already looks stressed - or perhaps he's just trying to catch up on a few minutes of sleep!

Phil Bourke
14-11-2008, 09:06 PM
Kortchnoi is doing a wonderful job of hiding his feelings for Campomanes :)

ER
14-11-2008, 09:17 PM
both, wonderful comments! :) should I post this in the caption comp thread?

Phil Bourke
14-11-2008, 09:37 PM
Bo. 92 ESA El Salvador (ESA) Rtg - 53 AUS Australia (AUS) Rtg 0 : 0
35.1 IM Leyva Hector 2399 - GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567
35.2 IM Arias Lemmys A 2372 - IM Smerdon David 2470
35.3 FM Chavez Ricardo Ernesto 2226 - GM Johansen Darryl K 2446
35.4 Chavez Hector Eduardo 2202 - IM Xie George Wendi 2403


Bo. 54 AUS Australia (AUS) Rtg - 23 LTU Lithuania (LTU) Rtg 0 : 0
40.1 WIM Caoili Arianne 2170 - IM Cmilyte Viktorija 2512
40.2 Nguyen Thu Giang 2101 - WIM Daulyte Deimante 2278
40.3 WIM Moylan Laura 2114 - WIM Sarakauskiene Zivile 2188
40.4 WFM Oliver Shannon 1942 - Ziogaite Jovita 2093

Miranda
14-11-2008, 09:46 PM
We'll win for sure in the mens - if it's not 4-0 I'll be suprised

In the womens... I don't think we'll win :(

bobby1972
14-11-2008, 09:54 PM
the last moves of the zhao game any ideas what happened i mean they got him droping a rook which must be wrong since it was draw what play by zhao:clap:

Ian Murray
14-11-2008, 10:49 PM
the last moves of the zhao game any ideas what happened i mean they got him droping a rook which must be wrong since it was draw what play by zhao:clap:
Guess we'll have to wait for the first bulletin to find out what really happened - the game as shown makes no sense as a draw. Clear win for Black

Ian Murray
14-11-2008, 10:51 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_H0t3_1AFH50/SRyNrVGj_qI/AAAAAAAAC0Y/VtkA5KhDCLs/s1600-h/Dresden_Round_1_118.JPG

From the Greek Chess Press
Cheers
All Greek to me!

WhiteElephant
15-11-2008, 12:01 AM
Just been checking out the pics on AR's blog - really enjoyed them - great pics, keep it up!

Kevin Bonham
15-11-2008, 01:08 AM
Start of today's round delayed by one hour because of problems with the "team rosters".

ER
15-11-2008, 02:16 AM
All Greek to me!

keep on trying Ian, you ll reach Australia somehow! :P

Basil
15-11-2008, 02:52 AM
I want to see quality chess here, not just team tactics!
Would you care to make that your signature? Good work.

Capablanca-Fan
15-11-2008, 03:07 AM
Would you care to make that your signature? Good work.
Indeed. Match points make team tactics inevitable.:evil: :evil: :wall: :wall:

Kevin Bonham
15-11-2008, 07:32 AM
Br. 91 ESA El Salvador (ESA) Elo - 53 AUS Australia (AUS) Elo 2½:1½
35.1 IM Leyva Hector 2399 - GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567 1 - 0
35.2 IM Arias Lemmys A 2372 - IM Smerdon David 2470 ½ - ½
35.3 FM Chavez Ricardo Ernesto 2226 - GM Johansen Darryl K 2446 0 - 1
35.4 FM Martinez Nelson 2149 - IM Xie George Wendi 2403 1 - 0

Yikes!


Br. 54 AUS Australia (AUS) Elo - 23 LTU Lithuania (LTU) Elo 1 : 3
40.1 WIM Caoili Arianne 2170 - IM Cmilyte Viktorija 2512 0 - 1
40.2 Nguyen Thu Giang 2101 - WIM Daulyte Deimante 2278 0 - 1
40.3 WIM Moylan Laura 2114 - WIM Sarakauskiene Zivile 2188 1 - 0
40.4 WFM Oliver Shannon 1942 - Ziogaite Jovita 2093 0 - 1

About to be expected.

MichaelBaron
15-11-2008, 09:17 AM
Omg, men's result was a disaster :(

kinderchocolate
15-11-2008, 11:49 AM
If I was the team captain, I would definitely give George a day off in tomorrow's game. I don't understand why he took the poison d pawn in his second game. It was just a horrible blunder.

ER
15-11-2008, 03:37 PM
Just a note for the old timers here! Remember how long we were waiting to read about the results of the Chess Olympiad, or for the World Championship matches in the newspapers?
They were coming through agonisingly slow and if the rest day combined with a weekend then we were without clue of what was happening for 2-3 sometimes even four days.
Now, due to modern technology we can have the games and the moves as they are played, with expert comments and the latest news!
That's technology for you! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Cheers and good luck!

WhiteElephant
15-11-2008, 03:52 PM
If I was the team captain, I would definitely give George a day off in tomorrow's game. I don't understand why he took the poison d pawn in his second game. It was just a horrible blunder.

Yeah just looked at that...he blundered a piece for no compensation in the opening.

Igor_Goldenberg
15-11-2008, 03:56 PM
If I was the team captain, I would definitely give George a day off in tomorrow's game. I don't understand why he took the poison d pawn in his second game. It was just a horrible blunder.
Everyone can have a bad game or two, I have no doubts George will fight back.

Ian Rout
15-11-2008, 04:00 PM
If I was the team captain, I would definitely give George a day off in tomorrow's game. I don't understand why he took the poison d pawn in his second game. It was just a horrible blunder.
I don't know - sure a player on 0/2 may be a bit down on confidence but if they sit out the next game they will still be 0/2 and against a tougher opponent in their next game. It may be better to let them get a point (or just a half, that should do), against the Virgin Islands. George is a bit of an up and down player but we saw in the Aust Championship a couple of years ago that he can be resilient after early setbacks.

But they ignored my advice last round so don't be surprised if they do again.

Igor_Goldenberg
15-11-2008, 04:20 PM
George is a bit of an up and down player but we saw in the Aust Championship a couple of years ago that he can be resilient after early setbacks.


This year, actually. started with 1/3, then scored 6.5/8 (beating Bjelobrk, Rimsdejk and Johansen) and finished outright 4th with 7.5/11

Capablanca-Fan
15-11-2008, 04:25 PM
Yes, might be worth letting him play again to try to regain his form. Sitting him out might look like punishment and leave him to wallow in defeat.

Miranda
15-11-2008, 04:28 PM
Yes, he should play, and we'll win this round no worries. Their board 4 is rated 1606 or something like that anyway :)

flukey
15-11-2008, 06:36 PM
NZ men playing Ethiopia today, women playing England! Ethiopa have some unrateds but these players beat 2200 and 2300s last round so they won't be a pushover.

While our match with Trinidad and Tobago was a disaster, it did have some funny moments. After I lost their captain rushed up and apologised profusely!!! They were a pleasant bunch of guys and fully deserved their win.

The set up in Dresden is amazing - a beautiful city and amazing organisation. Food is not that flash but I'm a fussy vegetarian. As it is my day off I'm going to do more sight seeing and go to a Bach concert in the fabulous church in the Aldstadt.

The NZ match yesterday was surreal - we were playing Macau on board 54 - next door on board 53 was Israel led by Gelfand!! On board 52 was Hungary with Leko and Polgar playing!! And when you wander around nearby you see a million other famous players. It is very easy to actually observe these top guys playing as only 2 mens and womens matches are on the stage.

Denis_Jessop
15-11-2008, 07:09 PM
Just a note for the old timers here! Remember how long we were waiting to read about the results of the Chess Olympiad, or for the World Championship matches in the newspapers?
They were coming through agonisingly slow and if the rest day combined with a weekend then we were without clue of what was happening for 2-3 sometimes even four days.
Now, due to modern technology we can have the games and the moves as they are played, with expert comments and the latest news!
That's technology for you! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Cheers and good luck!

Agreed - that's one of the extraordinary developments in chess in the last few (fewer than 5) years. Almost every tournament of any significance has the games available somewhere on the web straight away and in many cases "live" via electronic DGT boards. It must be making things hard for the magazine editors. Perhaps they will have to concentrate more on theory than games though I haven't seen much evidence of it.

DJ

Leonid Sandler
15-11-2008, 07:22 PM
After facing powerfull teams from Belarus and Lithuania in first two rounds you are hoping to get a bit of a break but in round three our team will play against very strong team from Argentina which brings some pleasant memories for me.In 2004 Olympiad in Calvia in round seven we played against Argentina and won 2-1(I.Berezina and I.Eriksson drew their games and A.Sorokina won an excellent game).After the match I jokingly said to the captain of argentinians(an old european maestro who lived in Argentina since an outbreak of World War 2 in 1939).Don't cry for me Argentina!
I hope that this gentelman is still alive and well!
I wish our girls the very best of luck for todays match.

Miranda
15-11-2008, 08:57 PM
The draw for tonight:


Round 3 on 2008/11/15 at 15:00
Bo. 53 Australia (AUS) Rtg - 135 British Virgin Islands (IVB) Rtg 0 : 0
63.1 IM Smerdon David 2470 - FM Van Tilbury Craig 2280
63.2 IM Solomon Stephen J 2470 - Hook William 2035
63.3 GM Johansen Darryl K 2446 - Lettsome Maurice 1812
63.4 IM Xie George Wendi 2403 - Christopher Art 1679




Bo. 29 Argentina (ARG) Rtg - 54 Australia (AUS) Rtg 0 : 0
45.1 IM Lujan Carolina 2366 - WIM Caoili Arianne 2170
45.2 WIM Zuriel Marisa 2189 - Nguyen Thu Giang 2101
45.3 WFM Plazaola Maria De Los Angeles 2126 - WIM Dekic Biljana N 2103
45.4 WFM Ahmed Sthepanie 2142 - WFM Oliver Shannon 1942

ER
15-11-2008, 10:57 PM
thanks Miranda, good work :clap:

Capablanca-Fan
16-11-2008, 01:06 AM
The Open team should score 4–0; the women have an uphill struggle to tie.

Amir K.
16-11-2008, 01:12 AM
The draw for tonight:


Round 3 on 2008/11/15 at 15:00
Bo. 53 Australia (AUS) Rtg - 135 British Virgin Islands (IVB) Rtg 0 : 0
63.1 IM Smerdon David 2470 - FM Van Tilbury Craig 2280
63.2 IM Solomon Stephen J 2470 - Hook William 2035
63.3 GM Johansen Darryl K 2446 - Lettsome Maurice 1812
63.4 IM Xie George Wendi 2403 - Christopher Art 1679




Bo. 29 Argentina (ARG) Rtg - 54 Australia (AUS) Rtg 0 : 0
45.1 IM Lujan Carolina 2366 - WIM Caoili Arianne 2170
45.2 WIM Zuriel Marisa 2189 - Nguyen Thu Giang 2101
45.3 WFM Plazaola Maria De Los Angeles 2126 - WIM Dekic Biljana N 2103
45.4 WFM Ahmed Sthepanie 2142 - WFM Oliver Shannon 1942

Hi Miranda,
you are better than Garvin Gray, how did you digg this one?

Watto
16-11-2008, 06:54 AM
Bo. 29 Argentina (ARG) Rtg - 54 Australia (AUS) Rtg 0 : 0
45.1 IM Lujan Carolina 2366 - WIM Caoili Arianne 2170
45.2 WIM Zuriel Marisa 2189 - Nguyen Thu Giang 2101
45.3 WFM Plazaola Maria De Los Angeles 2126 - WIM Dekic Biljana N 2103
45.4 WFM Ahmed Sthepanie 2142 - WFM Oliver Shannon 1942

Congratulations to the Australian women's team. Looks Like Dekic and Nguyen won and Caoili and Oliver drew. 1-3 win for them over Argentina.

queenant89
16-11-2008, 08:15 AM
looks like the draw for round 4

The womens
29 54 AUS AUS Australia : El Salvador ESA ESA 59
42 76 NZL NZL New Zealand : Dominican Republic DOM DOM 66

The Open
54 128 GCI GCI Guernsey : Australia AUS AUS 53
31 71 NZL NZL New Zealand : 7 Slovenia SLO SLO 28

Garrett
16-11-2008, 08:19 AM
Congratulations to the Australian women's team. Looks Like Dekic and Nguyen won and Caoili and Oliver drew. 1-3 win for them over Argentina.

Well done girls !!! :clap:

Amir K.
16-11-2008, 08:26 AM
Well done girls !!! :clap:

Great results.
Thanks to Manual who is puting in lots of effort to send us a report and some photos from Dresden every day via email.

Amir K.
16-11-2008, 08:51 AM
Great results.
Thanks to Manual who is puting in lots of effort to send us a report and some photos from Dresden every day via email.



3rd round / 15.11.2008 um 15:00

Nr. Team Erg. : Erg. Team

1 Russia 3½ : ½ Cuba

2 Germany 1 3½ : ½ Malaysia

3 Georgia 1½ : 2½ Ukraine

4 China 1½ : 2½ Norway

5 Netherlands 2 : 2 Azerbaijan

6 Armenia 4 : 0 Faroe Islands

7 Tajikistan 1 : 3 Spain

8 India 3½ : ½ El Salvador

9 Japan 1 : 3 Romania

10 England 4 : 0 Malta

11 Hungary 3½ : ½ Czech Republic

12 France 2 : 2 Greece

13 Lithuania 2 : 2 Israel

14 South Africa ½ : 3½ United States of America

15 Nicaragua 0 : 4 Bulgaria

16 Singapore 1 : 3 Poland

17 Serbia 3 : 1 Algeria

18 Kyrgyzstan 1 : 3 Belarus

19 United Arab Emirates 1 : 3 Croatia

20 Slovakia 4 : 0 Yemen

21 IBCA ½ : 3½ Moldova

22 Bolivia 1 : 3 Slovenia

23 Bosnia & Herzegovina 2½ : 1½ Syria

24 Lebanon 1 : 3 Sweden

25 Argentina 2½ : 1½ Tunisia

26 ICSC ½ : 3½ Denmark

27 Uzbekistan 4 : 0 Iraq

28 Jordan ½ : 3½ Kazakhstan

29 Switzerland 3½ : ½ Uruguay

30 Luxembourg ½ : 3½ Vietnam

31 Monaco 1½ : 2½ Philippines

32 Former Yug Rep of Macedonia 4 : 0 Thailand

33 Wales ½ : 3½ Germany 2

34 Andorra 0 : 4 Italy

35 Iceland 4 : 0 Angola

36 Scotland 4 : 0 Puerto Rico

37 Jamaica 0 : 4 Canada

38 Egypt 3½ : ½ Guatemala

39 Turkey 3 : 1 Panama

40 Botswana 2 : 2 Estonia



itd.



Standings after 3rd round



Rg. Team Team Wtg1 Wtg2

1 Armenia ARM 6 64,0

2 Germany 1 GER1 6 56,0

3 England ENG 6 56,0

4 India IND 6 52,0

5 Romania ROU 6 52,0

6 Russia RUS 6 48,0

7 Norway NOR 6 48,0

8 Spain ESP 6 44,0

9 Ukraine UKR 6 40,0

itd.



4th round 16.11.2008 um 15:00

Nr. Team Pkt. MP Erg. : Erg. MP Pkt. Team

1 Ukraine 7½ 6 : 6 11 Armenia

2 Spain 9 6 : 6 10 Germany 1

3 Norway 8½ 6 : 6 9½ England

4 Russia 8½ 6 : 6 9 India

5 Romania 9 6 : 5 8½ Hungary

Capablanca-Fan
16-11-2008, 09:30 AM
Bo. 29 Argentina (ARG) Rtg - 54 Australia (AUS) Rtg 0 : 0
45.1 IM Lujan Carolina 2366 - WIM Caoili Arianne 2170
45.2 WIM Zuriel Marisa 2189 - Nguyen Thu Giang 2101
45.3 WFM Plazaola Maria De Los Angeles 2126 - WIM Dekic Biljana N 2103
45.4 WFM Ahmed Sthepanie 2142 - WFM Oliver Shannon 1942

Congratulations to the Australian women's team. Looks Like Dekic and Nguyen won and Caoili and Oliver drew. 1-3 win for them over Argentina.
:clap: :clap: :clap: Caoili had her opponent on the back foot with the Schliemann, which seems unusual for her normal positional style.

4–0 to the Open team as expected. Solo was lost out of the opening though, but fought on tenaciously.

Amir K.
16-11-2008, 11:03 AM
Great results.
Thanks to Manual who is puting in lots of effort to send us a report and some photos from Dresden every day via email.

Apologie / Corrections : Thanks to Manuel Weeks ( and not Manual, as written above))

Miranda
16-11-2008, 11:32 AM
For Round 4 we're against Guernsey... is that even a country?! :lol:

Anyway, Guernsey has 4 2000s, and a 1700. Their only titled player is an FM. Hopefully they should be easy to beat :)

Capablanca-Fan
16-11-2008, 11:37 AM
For Round 4 we're against Guernsey... is that even a country?! :lol:
As much as Scotland and Wales.

Davidflude
16-11-2008, 12:00 PM
I like Manuel's bulletins. So Manuel p;lease keep up the good work

David

Tony Dowden
16-11-2008, 12:52 PM
NZ men playing Ethiopia today, women playing England! Ethiopa have some unrateds but these players beat 2200 and 2300s last round so they won't be a pushover.

While our match with Trinidad and Tobago was a disaster, it did have some funny moments. After I lost their captain rushed up and apologised profusely!!! They were a pleasant bunch of guys and fully deserved their win.

The set up in Dresden is amazing - a beautiful city and amazing organisation. Food is not that flash but I'm a fussy vegetarian. As it is my day off I'm going to do more sight seeing and go to a Bach concert in the fabulous church in the Aldstadt.

The NZ match yesterday was surreal - we were playing Macau on board 54 - next door on board 53 was Israel led by Gelfand!! On board 52 was Hungary with Leko and Polgar playing!! And when you wander around nearby you see a million other famous players. It is very easy to actually observe these top guys playing as only 2 mens and womens matches are on the stage.

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the report.

Yes, Rd 1 was an unmitigated disaster, as we have generally trounced T & T in the past (some jet-lag?) but good to see things are getting better after the win against Ethiopia. And Bob is famous for his gritty comebacks, so I'm sure he'll bounce back soon. His (female!) Ethiopian opponent did play an attractive game though.

Since you are eschewing all that fine German wurst, you will have plenty of time to keep up the blogging.

Cheers, Tony

Tony Dowden
16-11-2008, 12:54 PM
As much as Scotland and Wales.

Rd 4 Australia vs Guernsey

I don't give a guernsey for their chances ;) [I couldn't resist]

Capablanca-Fan
16-11-2008, 12:58 PM
Yes, Rd 1 was an unmitigated disaster, as we have generally trounced T & T in the past (some jet-lag?) but good to see things are getting better after the win against Ethiopia.
Seems like Steve was bored and careless against the exchange French, and blundered a P to a N-fork.


And Bob is famous for his gritty comebacks, so I'm sure he'll bounce back soon. His (female!) Ethiopian opponent did play an attractive game though.
That team had two female players, so we need to call this the "Open" olympiad not the "men's".


Since you are eschewing all that fine German wurst, you will have plenty of time to keep up the blogging.
But all the Sauerkraut, Käse, Brötchen & Kleingebäck would compensate ;)

Garvinator
16-11-2008, 01:03 PM
Rd 4 Australia vs Guernsey

I don't give a guernsey for their chances ;) [I couldn't resist]
Never fear Tony, I think we have them covered ;)

Kevin Bonham
16-11-2008, 01:24 PM
Congratulations to the Australian women's team. Looks Like Dekic and Nguyen won and Caoili and Oliver drew. 1-3 win for them over Argentina.

This is awesome! (Though not for Argentina since this is the second time our women's team has upset them in recent Olympiads!)

They now play El Salvador who are:

Zepeda Lorena WIM 2159 ESA Rp:2195
Zepeda Sonia WIM 2118 ESA Rp:2080
Castaneda Ada WIM 2068 ESA Rp:0
Avelar Gabriela WFM 2045 ESA Rp:1919
Sanchez Ingrid 1964 ESA Rp:0

Hopefully the women will do better against ESA than the men did; there is not much difference in ratings terms between our team and theirs.

MichaelBaron
16-11-2008, 04:58 PM
To be honest, prior to the start of the Ollympiad i had little if any expectations from the women's team. I felt that they will not be competitive against the top teams. I am pleased to see that i was totally wrong :clap:

Kevin Bonham
16-11-2008, 05:52 PM
Certainly a good start - 3 match points from 3 rounds against 3 much higher rated opponents.

In terms of finishing position it is the run home rather than the first few rounds that matters the most but hopefully they can continue to record strong performances.

Good to see also that the men won 4-0 as we have conceded a point to their board 1 in the past.

flukey
16-11-2008, 06:40 PM
That team had two female players, so we need to call this the "Open" olympiad not the "men's".



I thought I must be going mad as they looked male to me, so I double checked with Roger who confirmed the Ethiopians were all man!

As an aside, the Ethiopians were to send a female team but the Germans wouldn't give then visas.

Roger is sitting out the match v Slovenia.

Capablanca-Fan
16-11-2008, 07:02 PM
I thought I must be going mad as they looked male to me, so I double checked with Roger who confirmed the Ethiopians were all man!

As an aside, the Ethiopians were to send a female team but the Germans wouldn't give then visas.
Why not?
Here is Smith's opponent according to the site: doesn't look very male or very Ethiopic for that matter.

Capablanca-Fan
16-11-2008, 07:04 PM
Dive's opponent?

flukey
16-11-2008, 07:08 PM
The captain of Ethiopia is a very interesting guy who lives in the US and works in Washington DC. Hilton and I had a long chat with him. Apparentely their men got visas easily but the women had to fill in massive questionairres ... do you own a house, do you own a car, are you married, how much money have you got blah blah. So there was a real difference in immigrations treatment of boys and girls.

The photo of the Ethiopian player you posted looks as much like the guy who did play Smith as Smith looks like Rachel Hunter!!!!!!!

Tony Dowden
16-11-2008, 07:25 PM
Never fear Tony, I think we have them covered ;)

I hope so: even I beat a Guersey or Jersey player in an OL once! I found that as long as you stick to your knitting, you should be OK ;)

If not then I guess Aussie will have to play against the Lesser East Greenwich Islets (average Elo 1100 and the majority of the team are [male] penguins)

Tony Dowden
16-11-2008, 07:27 PM
The captain of Ethiopia is a very interesting guy who lives in the US and works in Washington DC. Hilton and I had a long chat with him. Apparentely their men got visas easily but the women had to fill in massive questionairres ... do you own a house, do you own a car, are you married, how much money have you got blah blah. So there was a real difference in immigrations treatment of boys and girls.

The photo of the Ethiopian player you posted looks as much like the guy who did play Smith as Smith looks like Rachel Hunter!!!!!!!

Easy mistake to make: Bob does look a lot like our Rachel ... a good thing that Roger helped you out with gender identification as those Ethiopean men do look a tad, well, female.

(No wonder poor old Bob lost - I would also be wondering how a bloke can look so good).

MichaelBaron
16-11-2008, 07:32 PM
Why not?
Here is Smith's opponent according to the site: doesn't look very male or very Ethiopic for that matter.

I wish i could have a game of chess with her...

Tony Dowden
16-11-2008, 07:49 PM
That team had two female players, so we need to call this the "Open" olympiad not the "men's".

:lol: Susan Plogar only identified five females in the "Open" division.

Apparently Dr Roger Nokes managed to conclusively prove that the entire Ethiopean team is male - so don't believe everything you read about the Rachel Hunter look-a-like in the NZ Men's team.




But all the Sauerkraut, Käse, Brötchen & Kleingebäck would compensate ;)
:hmm: Sounds a bit staid, so how about Kartoffelpouffer mit Apfelbrei ;)

Miranda
16-11-2008, 08:38 PM
The draw for tonight:


Bo. 128 Guernsey (GCI) Rtg - 53 Australia (AUS) Rtg 0 : 0
54.1 FM Hamperl Fred 2076 - GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567
54.2 CM Ozanne Mark S 2042 - IM Solomon Stephen J 2470
54.3 Kirby Peter J 2049 - GM Johansen Darryl K 2446
54.4 CM Brookfield Toby 1763 - IM Xie George Wendi 2403





Bo. 54 Australia (AUS) Rtg - 59 El Salvador (ESA) Rtg 0 : 0
29.1 WIM Caoili Arianne 2170 - WIM Zepeda Lorena 2159
29.2 WIM Moylan Laura 2114 - WIM Zepeda Sonia 2118
29.3 WIM Dekic Biljana N 2103 - WFM Avelar Gabriela 2045
29.4 WFM Oliver Shannon 1942 - Sanchez Ingrid 1964

Kevin Bonham
16-11-2008, 08:42 PM
Looking at the ratings in the women's match pretty much anything could happen there.

EBT
16-11-2008, 08:57 PM
The draw for tonight:


Bo. 128 Guernsey (GCI) Rtg - 53 Australia (AUS) Rtg 0 : 0
54.1 FM Hamperl Fred 2076 - GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567
54.2 CM Ozanne Mark S 2042 - IM Solomon Stephen J 2470
54.3 Kirby Peter J 2049 - GM Johansen Darryl K 2446
54.4 CM Brookfield Toby 1763 - IM Xie George Wendi 2403





Bo. 54 Australia (AUS) Rtg - 59 El Salvador (ESA) Rtg 0 : 0
29.1 WIM Caoili Arianne 2170 - WIM Zepeda Lorena 2159
29.2 WIM Moylan Laura 2114 - WIM Zepeda Sonia 2118
29.3 WIM Dekic Biljana N 2103 - WFM Avelar Gabriela 2045
29.4 WFM Oliver Shannon 1942 - Sanchez Ingrid 1964



Where do you find this?

Miranda
16-11-2008, 09:25 PM
Where do you find this?

At the official site : http://www.dresden-2008.de/site/de/medien/ausblick08/main.htm


Yeah, the women's games could go either way. They're all pretty evenly matched!

MichaelBaron
16-11-2008, 09:27 PM
And our men are still playing World Island Championships....proves that Australia is an island (a big one though ;) ). Just wondering if Robinzon Cruzo is playing for one of those teams :doh:

Hopefully, they will not lose any more matches..otherwise on top of Virgin Islands and Guernsy, they may also play some other islands later on in the event

Kevin Bonham
17-11-2008, 12:33 AM
AR reports Bob Smith (NZ) forfeited for showing up three minutes late.

Basil
17-11-2008, 04:27 AM
Round 4 Results - Women

Australia Rtg - El Salvador Rtg 2.5 : 1.5
Caoili Arianne 2170 - Zepeda Lorena 2159 1 : 0
Moylan Laura 2114 - Zepeda Sonia 2118 0 : 1
Dekic Biljana N 2103 - Avelar Gabriela 2045 1 : 0
Oliver Shannon 1942 - Sanchez Ingrid 1964 ½ : ½

Round 4 Results - Men

Guernsey Rtg - Australia (AUS) Rtg 0 : 4
Hamperl Fred 2076 - Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567 0 : 1
Ozanne Mark S 2042 - Solomon Stephen J 2470 0 : 1
Kirby Peter J 2049 - Johansen Darryl K 2446 0 : 1
Brookfield Toby 1763 - Xie George Wendi 2403 0 : 1

Miranda
17-11-2008, 06:58 AM
Great results!

Tony Dowden
17-11-2008, 07:36 AM
AR reports Bob Smith (NZ) forfeited for showing up three minutes late.

Bob isn't having a good time :(

I notice that Slovenia don't seem to have been given the point though. Maybe NZ has appealed?

Tony Dowden
17-11-2008, 07:38 AM
And our men are still playing World Island Championships....proves that Australia is an island (a big one though ;) ). Just wondering if Robinzon Cruzo is playing for one of those teams :doh:

Hopefully, they will not lose any more matches..otherwise on top of Virgin Islands and Guernsy, they may also play some other islands later on in the event

Singapore is another island :lol:

Capablanca-Fan
17-11-2008, 08:45 AM
Round 4 Results - Women

Australia Rtg - El Salvador Rtg 2.5 : 1.5
Caoili Arianne 2170 - Zepeda Lorena 2159 1 : 0
Moylan Laura 2114 - Zepeda Sonia 2118 0 : 1
Dekic Biljana N 2103 - Avelar Gabriela 2045 1 : 0
Oliver Shannon 1942 - Sanchez Ingrid 1964 ½ : ½
Arianne has been a great top board so far.

Round 4 Results - MenOpen

Guernsey Rtg - Australia (AUS) Rtg 0 : 4
Hamperl Fred 2076 - Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567 0 : 1
Ozanne Mark S 2042 - Solomon Stephen J 2470 0 : 1
Kirby Peter J 2049 - Johansen Darryl K 2446 0 : 1
Brookfield Toby 1763 - Xie George Wendi 2403 0 : 1
Nice to have a 4–0 even if expected. Hopefully George can continue this way and leave the bad start behind.

Miranda
17-11-2008, 08:56 AM
Yeah, I reckon George will make a good comeback - everyone gets nervous at the start of tourneys!

Igor_Goldenberg
17-11-2008, 09:57 AM
Good to see everyone is at least on 50% and Darryl on 3/3

Igor_Goldenberg
17-11-2008, 10:08 AM
Anybody knows why Zhang Zong isn't playing play for Singapore?

Ian Murray
17-11-2008, 08:14 PM
Anybody knows why Zhang Zong isn't playing play for Singapore?
Strange omission, but not sudden - www.singaporechess.org.sg reports the team selection on 26.9.08:
The following players were selected:
1. IM Enrique Paciencia
2. IM Goh Weiming
3. IM Jason Goh
4. Timothy Chan Wei Xuan
5. CM Daniel Chan

Looks like Zhang did not apply.

Paciencia is a Filipino emigre. The two Gohs were seeded from the national championship.

Leonid Sandler
17-11-2008, 09:34 PM
In round five host nation Germany 1 team will be tested by might of Russia.
For me personally the most interesting game will be happening in board four
there my former student Daniel Fridman originally from Latvia will be playing against in form Dmitry Jakovenko.
Another former latvian prodigy Arkady Naidich will face ex world champion Vladimir Kramnik.

queenant89
18-11-2008, 07:23 AM
WEll done to the mens team, who won 2.5-1.5 against singapore, unfortunately the womens team went down to a stronger team of Italy 1-3.

So Next round the Mens team plays Switzerland and the Womens , Indonesia.

Just some interesting scores for the moment...

In the Open
Group C
Rk. SNo flag Team Team TB1 TB2 TB3 TB4
1 66 CRC Costa Rica 6,0 44,0 26,0 11,5
2 70 MGL Mongolia 6,0 40,0 22,0 12,0
3 71 NZL New Zealand 6,0 40,0 18,0 11,0

The NZ mens are currently third in third group C

and Board prizes

Board 4
Rk. Name Rtg Team Rp Games Pts.
1 FM Nokes Roger I 2293 New Zealand 2884 4 4,0
2 GM Efimenko Zahar 2680 Ukraine 2833 3 2,5
3 GM Wang Hao 2696 China 2831 4 3,5
4 GM Morozevich Alexander 2787 Russia 2823 5 4,0
5 GM Johansen Darryl K 2446 Australia 2764 4 4,0

Igor_Goldenberg
18-11-2008, 09:56 AM
So Next round the Mens team plays Switzerland and the Womens , Indonesia.

Who is going to play Kortchnoi?
BTW, Darryl is on 4/4

Adamski
18-11-2008, 12:25 PM
Just some interesting scores for the moment...

and Board prizes

Board 4
Rk. Name Rtg Team Rp Games Pts.
1 FM Nokes Roger I 2293 New Zealand 2884 4 4,0
2 GM Efimenko Zahar 2680 Ukraine 2833 3 2,5
3 GM Wang Hao 2696 China 2831 4 3,5
4 GM Morozevich Alexander 2787 Russia 2823 5 4,0
5 GM Johansen Darryl K 2446 Australia 2764 4 4,0Good to see that not only Darryl but also an old sparring partner of mine, Roger Nokes, is on 100% so far. Keep it up!

Kevin Bonham
18-11-2008, 08:10 PM
Results for Aus last night: (Tonight is a rest day.)


Br. 53 AUS Australia (AUS) Elo - 78 SIN Singapore (SIN) Elo 2½:1½
44.1 GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567 - IM Paciencia Enrique 2440 ½ - ½
44.2 IM Smerdon David 2470 - IM Goh Weiming 2420 0 - 1
44.3 IM Solomon Stephen J 2470 - Chan Wei-Xuan Timothy 2264 1 - 0
44.4 GM Johansen Darryl K 2446 - CM Chan Yi-Ren Daniel 2260 1 - 0

Smerdon is unwell which may have contributed to his loss. The scoreline is hence closer than it should have been but Australia still bagged the match point and now plays a strong team again (finally!), 36th seed Switzerland:


1 GM Korchnoi Viktor 2584 SUI ½ 1 ½ 0 2,0 4 2546 2546 2 2,19 -0,19 10 -1,9
2 GM Pelletier Yannick 2557 SUI ½ ½ 1 ½ ½ 3,0 5 2472 2544 3 3,02 -0,02 10 -0,2
3 GM Jenni Florian 2543 SUI 0 1 1 ½ ½ 3,0 5 2397 2469 3 3,36 -0,36 10 -3,6
4 GM Gallagher Joseph G 2480 SUI ½ 0 ½ 1 2,0 4 2419 2419 2 2,27 -0,27 10 -2,7
5 IM Hug Werner 2448 SUI 1 1 2,0 2 2184 0 2 1,62 0,38 10 3,8

The women's team were defeated by Italy 3-1 which was to be expected:


17.1 IM Sedina Elena 2365 - WIM Caoili Arianne 2170 1 - 0
17.2 WGM Zimina Olga 2368 - Nguyen Thu Giang 2101 1 - 0
17.3 WFM Ambrosi Eleonora 2128 - WIM Moylan Laura 2114 1 - 0
17.4 WFM De Rosa Maria 2083 - WIM Dekic Biljana N 2103 0 - 1

They now play 67th seeds Indonesia, on paper a surprisingly easy matchup but performing well above rating thus far.


1 WIM Sukandar Irine Kharisma 2303 INA 1 ½ ½ 0 1 3,0 5 2163 2235
2 Lindiawati Evi 2121 INA 1 ½ 1 0 ½ 3,0 5 2143 2215
3 Dewi Aa Citra 1802 INA 1 1 0 0 2,0 4 2081 2081
4 Rachmawati Desi 0 INA 1 0 0 1,0 3 2130 2005
5 Kadek Iin Dwijayanti 1859 INA 1 0 0 1,0 3 2241 2116

Miranda
18-11-2008, 08:23 PM
What's Smerdon unwell with?

Intuition
18-11-2008, 09:21 PM
If David is unwell then he obiously shouldnt be playing... even tho he's only played lower rated players daryll seems to be in great touch even winning some sharp sicilians...maybe its time to go back to the old days and put him up against v Korchnoi next round :P

Kevin Bonham
18-11-2008, 09:31 PM
What's Smerdon unwell with?

Just a cold, that's all.


If David is unwell then he obiously shouldnt be playing...

This is a downside of the change from 6 player teams to 5 player teams. If you have a player who is a bit unwell then your only options are to either play them or else continue playing the other four round after round until they completely recover.

EBT
18-11-2008, 10:54 PM
If David is unwell then he obiously shouldnt be playing... even tho he's only played lower rated players daryll seems to be in great touch even winning some sharp sicilians...maybe its time to go back to the old days and put him up against v Korchnoi next round :P
You can't just promote Darryl to board 1 can you?

Kevin Bonham
18-11-2008, 11:01 PM
You can't just promote Darryl to board 1 can you?

No. As Darryl is 4th in Australia's order he cannot play above board 3.

Capablanca-Fan
19-11-2008, 12:55 AM
Just a cold, that's all.
Smurf can play well with a cold. A few years ago, I played an unusual line against him when he had a cold, and he found his way through it over the board.


This is a downside of the change from 6 player teams to 5 player teams. If you have a player who is a bit unwell then your only options are to either play them or else continue playing the other four round after round until they completely recover.
FIDE has the Obama mentality: change.:wall: :wall: :wall:

Ian Rout
19-11-2008, 09:34 AM
This is a downside of the change from 6 player teams to 5 player teams. If you have a player who is a bit unwell then your only options are to either play them or else continue playing the other four round after round until they completely recover.I don't see that as a serious downside. One reserve should be sufficient and some top teams play their top four most rounds, on the grounds that those are the best players, and just give the reserves (even when there were two) the occasional run. Australia simply opted not to use the reserve so would presumably have made the same decision even if they had a second reserve.

peter_parr
19-11-2008, 12:34 PM
Less than 2% of chess players in Australia play in chess clubs.

The chess community needs to promote chess with regular chess coverage in newspaper etc. throughout Australia. Is there regular Olympiad coverage in major newspaper in NSW, Victoria, Queensland, Western Australia, Tasmania, ACT, NT?

Has anyone from these states sent a press release for publication to the media.

Our game in Australia would of course greatly benefit if the other 98% of chess players saw media coverage of major events (World title matches,

Australian Champs, Olympiads etc) in addition to regular weekly chess columns. Our clubs could get many new members.

Meanwhile for up to date and regular reports on the Olympiad read the Sydney Morning Herald.

News (http://www.chessdiscountsales.com/news/newsindex.htm)

MichaelBaron
19-11-2008, 12:56 PM
Just a cold, that's all.

.

Whenever Pete Sampras lost a tennis match, it was (in his own words) due to either cold or upset stomach :lol: ....

Ian Murray
19-11-2008, 01:58 PM
Whenever Pete Sampras lost a tennis match, it was (in his own words) due to either cold or upset stomach :lol: ....

Susan Polgar has quipped that she has never beaten a man in good health

Capablanca-Fan
19-11-2008, 02:18 PM
Well, Smurf beat me when I was in good health and played a line he'd never seen before; he was the one with a bad cold.

But looks like a tragedy in the Olympiad, disdaining several repetitions as Black against Singapore's Goh Wieming (2420), obtaining a winning position with 2RB v Q and managed to blunder both Rs to a Q fork.

bobby1972
19-11-2008, 09:46 PM
hey michael you seem to give a lot of encouragement first to the juniors now here,tell me man are all little short bald chessplayers are this encouraging or is it just you ?

MichaelBaron
19-11-2008, 10:44 PM
hey michael you seem to give a lot of encouragement first to the juniors now here,tell me man are all little short bald chessplayers are this encouraging or is it just you ?

Its just me :)

Qbert
20-11-2008, 04:51 AM
Good to see that not only Darryl but also an old sparring partner of mine, Roger Nokes, is on 100% so far. Keep it up!
Nokes moves to 5/5 - in NZ's 3-1 win over Pakistan. Bob Smith's troubles continue and another mating fnish from flukey. Johansen is a pawn up in a N ending against Gallagher - so it's shaping up to be a unlikey ANZAC duel over the board 4 prize! :D

arosar
20-11-2008, 05:00 AM
Big news here is that Zhao has beaten Kortchnoi.

AR

Qbert
20-11-2008, 05:04 AM
And Johansen wins! Australia beats Switzerland! :clap:

Leonid Sandler
20-11-2008, 05:34 AM
Well done for our mens team!
I think it is the very first time aussie player beat Korchnoi at Olympiad.
Only victorian Douglas Hamilton came close about 40 years ago!
A truly historical day for Zhao.
Darryl Johansen is also on fire with 5 out of 5 !

Zwischenzug
20-11-2008, 06:37 AM
Zhao v Korchnoi

1. Nf3 e6 2. c4 Nf6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Qc2 O-O 5. a3 Bxc3 6. Qxc3 a5 7. b3 d6 8. Bb2 e5 9. g3 c5 10. Bg2 Nc6 11. O-O Bg4 12. Rfe1 Qb6 13. e3 a4 14. bxa4 Rxa4 15. d3 Rd8 16. Rab1 Qa5 17. Qb3 Qa6 18. Nd2 Ra5 19. f4 19...Be6 20. Bc1 Bc8 21. Qb6 Qxb6 22. Rxb6 Nd7 23. Rb3 Nf6 24. Bb2 Ra6 25. Bxc6 Rxc6 26. fxe5 Ng4 27. exd6 Rcxd6 28. d4 Rh6 29. Nf3 Bf5 30. e4 Bc8 31. d5 b6 32. Bc1 Rg6 33. Nh4 Rgd6 34. e5 Re8 35. Nf3 Rg6 36. h3 Nf6 37. exf6 Rxg3+ 38. Kf2 Rxe1 39. Kxe1 gxf6 40. Kf2 Rxh3 41. Rxb6 Bg4 42. Rxf6 Rh1 43. Bb2 Bxf3 44. Kxf3 1-0

Kevin Bonham
20-11-2008, 08:26 AM
But looks like a tragedy in the Olympiad, disdaining several repetitions as Black against Singapore's Goh Wieming (2420), obtaining a winning position with 2RB v Q and managed to blunder both Rs to a Q fork.

Actually once he obtains 2RB vs Q by taking the knight the win is already gone. But if he doesn't take the knight he has chances.

With our upset win over Switzerland we have now recovered to 40th position ahead of our seeding of 53rd.


19.1 GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567 - GM Korchnoi Viktor 2584 1 - 0
19.2 IM Solomon Stephen J 2470 - GM Jenni Florian 2543 ½ - ½
19.3 GM Johansen Darryl K 2446 - GM Gallagher Joseph G 2480 1 - 0
19.4 IM Xie George Wendi 2403 - IM Hug Werner 2448 0 - 1

For our efforts we now get a really big fish, Bulgaria:


1 GM Topalov Veselin 2791 BUL 1 1 ½ 1 3,5 4 2513 2849 3,5 3,15 0,35 10 3,5
2 GM Cheparinov Ivan 2696 BUL 0 1 1 ½ 1 ½ 4,0 6 2482 2607 4 4,45 -0,45 10 -4,5
3 GM Georgiev Kiril 2645 BUL 0 0 0 0,0 3 2502 1825 0 2,03 -2,03 10 -20,3
4 GM Delchev Aleksander 2632 BUL ½ 1 1 1 1 4,5 5 2382 2748 4,5 3,84 0,66 10 6,6
5 GM Iotov Valentin 2532 BUL 1 1 1 1 1 0 5,0 6 2390 2663 5 4,02 0,98 10 9,8

Bulgaria have had 2.5-1.5 losses to both Germany and Romania which is why they find themselves in our score group although they are all performing pretty well except for Georgiev who is having an absolute shocker on 0/3!

Australian Women's team were held to a tie by the underrated Indonesians:


29.1 WIM Caoili Arianne 2170 - WIM Sukandar Irine Kharisma 2303 ½ - ½
29.2 WIM Moylan Laura 2114 - Lindiawati Evi 2121 1 - 0
29.3 WIM Dekic Biljana N 2103 - Dewi Aa Citra 1802 0 - 1
29.4 WFM Oliver Shannon 1942 - Rachmawati Desi 0 ½ - ½

and now play 56th seeded Venezeula:


1 WGM Sanchez Castillo Sarai 2206 VEN ½ 1 0 0 1 2,5 5 1954 1954 1,5 2,21 -0,71 15 -10,6
2 WIM Ubaldo Suarez Maria Gisela 2089 VEN 0 1 0 0 1 2,0 5 1958 1886 2 1,89 0,11 15 1,6
3 WIM Han Wong Irene Estefania 2098 VEN 1 1 0 ½ 0 1 3,5 6 2027 2084 3,5 3,18 0,32 15 4,8
4 Hernandez Zaida 2039 VEN 1 1 0 0 0 2,0 5 2174 2102 2 1,68 0,32 15 4,8
5 Otazo Annyd 1942 VEN ½ 0 1 1,5 3 1921 1921 0,5 0,40 0,10 15 1,5

Intuition
20-11-2008, 08:28 AM
Bulgaria next!!!! Great :D

This will be one of our toughest challenges for quite a while, but I have to say its good to see our guys playing against the strongest of teams. Surely cold or not david has to come back for this match as even with a cold its seems he is still a better choice than gerorge considering his form thus far.

Theres a good chance it will be Topalov - Zhao, this will be the game of his life so good luck too him, I guess funny things can happen at the chessboard so you never know...I guess a draw isnt too far out of the realms of possibility if zhao keeps his nerve. If zhao can win he deserves a front page :)

Daryl continuing to be in great touch and he has shown in the last year (even when not in the greatest touch) that he can mix it and beat higher rated GM's including a 2600 so there is more than hope I belive in his game

Now if you consider Solo is playing solidly and hopefully dave is better it seems like a longshot but I think we will rise to the occasion and have a chance to at least draw in this round :D

Miranda
20-11-2008, 08:29 AM
Wow.. I hope Zhao gets to play Topalov! It'd be a great game!

Kevin Bonham
20-11-2008, 08:36 AM
NZ are ahead of us on the standings also with a 4-2 record but have Bosnia-Herzegovina (29) next round.

Kevin Bonham
20-11-2008, 08:37 AM
Now if you consider Solo is playing solidly and hopefully dave is better it seems like a longshot but I think we will rise to the occasion and have a chance to at least draw in this round :D

I'm not getting my hopes up for this one. I think we can be relieved if we get anything better than 0-4 against that mob.

Igor_Goldenberg
20-11-2008, 08:52 AM
When will line-up be published?

Miranda
20-11-2008, 08:53 AM
The team pairings are up, the board pairings are usually up at about 9pm Melbourne time

Gringo
20-11-2008, 08:54 AM
Dazza Days are here again !!!! :pirate:

Desmond
20-11-2008, 09:02 AM
Very impressive! :clap:

I'm cautiously optimistic that we can get on the board in at least two games vs Bulgaria.

bobby1972
20-11-2008, 09:06 AM
oz victory over korchnoi,i remember when rogers crushed him i think thats the only 2 victories against korchnoi by oz.keep them coming lads,:clap:

Phil Bourke
20-11-2008, 09:59 AM
Zhao scores incredible win, Smerdon, Solomon and Johansen draw to give Australia a historic win over Bulgaria. Now that would give Peter Parr something to write about :)

Just over the hump with a fair way to go, but Aus seems to be enjoying a good Olympiad. With the good showing from NZ as well, Oceania may finally be growing up and demanding some respect from the traditional chess powers.

ER
20-11-2008, 10:28 AM
Sorry guys, unless something very drastic happens it would be a 0-4 or at best a 1/2 - 3 1/2 vs Bulgaria! We are simply outclassed against them!
CAGLES

bobby1972
20-11-2008, 10:41 AM
the oz team should blockade the toilets ,we are sure to wipe them 4 - 0 .i think we could get 2 points from them .be positive everyone.

MichaelBaron
20-11-2008, 10:43 AM
Despite Korchnoi's advancing years, beating him is an amazing experience :clap: . I think it must be the highlight of Zhao's chess career so far.

Bulgaria is a tough customer. Board one game will be interesting to watch but its good that Zhao gets a chance to play against on the world's best (if not best) chess players. Win or lose - its a great experience.

Overall, the Bulgarian team is not as strong as it looks on paper so i think Australia has a chance. a Number of Bulgarians is out of form. Topalov alone can not always win matches.

Miranda
20-11-2008, 10:44 AM
Australia is finally winning some things in chess! :D

I reckon we should be aiming for 1-3... :)

Davidflude
20-11-2008, 11:19 AM
Hawthorn won the Grand Final despite not being given a chance beforehand.

The Wallabies beat the poms including smashing their pack in the scrums.

Manley won the League.

This needs a big effort Australia.

Garlic and pickle onion sandwiches before the game.

All players to wear their Aussie Blazers.

The bigger they are the harder they fall. Each player play your own game and play as well as you can.

Best of luck.

P.S. No Blackmar-Diemer or Elephant Gambits.

Capablanca-Fan
20-11-2008, 11:46 AM
Despite Korchnoi's advancing years, beating him is an amazing experience :clap: . I think it must be the highlight of Zhao's chess career so far.
It's quite impressive that Zhao won by "simple" moves against such an all-time great.

Vlad
20-11-2008, 11:48 AM
I am hoping to see the best 4 playing this important round.

1) Topalov - Zhao, unfortunately the most likely result here is 1-0. Yuan, prove me wrong!
2) Smerdon - Cheparinov, hopefuly we can see smurf 2 years ago, hoping for 1/2-1/2.
3) Georgiev/Delchev - Solo, hoping for 1/2-1/2.
4) Johansen - Iotov, Darryl is in a good form and is capable of delivering 1-0 with white.

Probably the toughest games will be on boards 2 and 3. If David and Stepen will manage to survive, Australia has a chance to get a place in history...

Denis_Jessop
20-11-2008, 12:02 PM
Sorry guys, unless something very drastic happens it would be a 0-4 or at best a 1/2 - 3 1/2 vs Bulgaria! We are simply outclassed against them!
CAGLES

Oh I don't know - a few quick visits to the loo could put them on the back foot :owned: :D :hmm:

DJ

Miranda
20-11-2008, 01:31 PM
I hope Johansen continues his winning streak!

Watto
20-11-2008, 01:48 PM
I hope Johansen continues his winning streak!
Yes, it's great to see. Go Darryl! Guy’s just said to me that he found it amusing to play over Darryl’s win over Gallagher (Darryl played his typical boa constrictor style to positionally grind down Gallagher) because he’s lost games like that to Darryl and he knows from bitter experience that you don’t give Darryl that kind of position!

A big congratulations too to Zong-Yuan. Best of luck to the open team against Bulgaria! I hope Topalov plays.

Great to see the women playing well too. Best of luck to them too for the next round!

Capablanca-Fan
20-11-2008, 01:51 PM
Yes, it's great to see. Go Darryl! Guy’s just said to me that he found it amusing to play over Darryl’s win over Gallagher (Darryl played his typical boa constrictor style to positionally grind down Gallagher) because he’s lost games like that to Darryl and he knows from bitter experience that you don’t give Darryl that kind of position!
Yes, a very good game; letting Black apparently take the initiative on the Q-side, but foreseeing that it would fizzle out thanks to the structural space advantage of the Pd5.

Miranda
20-11-2008, 01:59 PM
Currently Australia's ranked above where they were seeded - I don't know the exact ranks (the official site is blocked here at school :hmm: ) but so long as they continue on their good run, they should do pretty well. What's the highest place an Aussie team has finished at an Olympiad?

Metro
20-11-2008, 03:09 PM
Australia is finally winning some things in chess! :D

I reckon we should be aiming for 1-3... :)

1.5 will be an excellent result for Australia (Let's say 3 draws).

Davidflude
20-11-2008, 03:45 PM
Yes, it's great to see. Go Darryl! Guy’s just said to me that he found it amusing to play over Darryl’s win over Gallagher (Darryl played his typical boa constrictor style to positionally grind down Gallagher) because he’s lost games like that to Darryl and he knows from bitter experience that you don’t give Darryl that kind of position!



I was looking at one of Joe Gallagher's books last night. I found it curious that he played a line that he does not discuss in the book. Maybe he was trying to avoid Darryl's preparation.

Intuition
20-11-2008, 03:52 PM
gee... not to many optimistic ppl around :), can you imagine a footy team saying 'well if we only loose by 7 goals instead of 14 it will be a good effort'...lol even tho its unlikey the guys have to be thinking they can win!!! which is not totally out of the question...it would be good for AUS to get a headline for once, might even possiblity help rasie some interested in SIO and doeberl?? buy hey...if they loose good on them anyway.. i really want DJ to win again though :D

Ian Murray
20-11-2008, 04:19 PM
Currently Australia's ranked above where they were seeded - I don't know the exact ranks (the official site is blocked here at school :hmm: ) but so long as they continue on their good run, they should do pretty well. What's the highest place an Aussie team has finished at an Olympiad?
See www.caq.org.au/olympiad/Historical_results.htm

At the moment we're 19th= and 40th on tiebreak. Still five rounds to go - anything can happen yet

Ian Murray
20-11-2008, 04:23 PM
gee... not to many optimistic ppl around :), can you imagine a footy team saying 'well if we only loose by 7 goals instead of 14 it will be a good effort'...lol even tho its unlikey the guys have to be thinking they can win!!! which is not totally out of the question...it would be good for AUS to get a headline for once, might even possiblity help rasie some interested in SIO and doeberl?? buy hey...if they loose good on them anyway.. i really want DJ to win again though :D
I expect Topalov to be rested against the 'bunny' opponents, which would disappoint Yuan but improve our chances a little

Smerdon needs a couple of scalps with rarefied ratings. He's still trying to reach 2500 to clinch his GM title

Ian Rout
20-11-2008, 05:22 PM
I expect Topalov to be rested against the 'bunny' opponents, which would disappoint Yuan but improve our chances a little

Smerdon needs a couple of scalps with rarefied ratings. He's still trying to reach 2500 to clinch his GM title
I doubt that anyone except maybe Russia can afford to rest a near-2800 player at the business end of the tournament. There's no rule that you have to spread the games around, I think they would plan on playing Topalov every round.

Ivanchuk_Fan
20-11-2008, 05:52 PM
My predictions:

1) Topalov - Zhao
70% Topalov wins, 25% Topalov draws, 5% Topalov loses.
2) Smerdon - Cheparinov
20% Smerdon wins, 40% Smerdon draws, 40% Smerdon loses.
3) Georgiev - Solo
20% Solomon wins, 45% Solomon draws, 35% Solomon loses.
4) Xie - Delchev
20% Xie wins, 40% Xie draws, 40% Xie loses.

Obviously these are very rough predictions. My conclusion is that winning the match is unlikely but not impossible, drawing the match is a definite possibility with some good luck, but 1.5-2.5 seems the most likely score, and if the Australians are unlucky, perhaps 1-3.

Let's hope the Australian team can score an upset!

Kevin Bonham
20-11-2008, 06:01 PM
Here's Johansen - Gallagher. Looks like some saving chances in the knight ending which black missed but generally black was struggling all game.

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Be2 0-0 6.Nf3 e5 7.0-0 Nbd7 8.Qc2 Nh5 9.Rd1 Nf4 10.Bf1 c5 11.d5 Nf6 12.Ne1 Ne8 13.g3 Nh5 14.Qe2 Nhf6 15.Nd3 Nc7 16.Bg2 Bd7 17.b4 cxb4 18.Nxb4 a5 19.Nd3 b5 20.cxb5 Nxb5 21.Nxb5 Bxb5 22.Ba3 Qd7 23.Rab1 Rfc8 24.Qd2 Rc4 25.f3 Bf8 26.Bf1 Ba6 27.Qe3 Rc2 28.Rb2 Rxb2 29.Nxb2 Bxf1 30.Rxf1 Qb5 31.Rc1 Nd7 32.Qd3 Qb6+ 33.Kg2 Nc5 34.Qe3 Qb5 35.Rc2 Rc8 36.Qc3 Rc7 37.Qc4 Qb7 38.Qe2 Na6 39.Rxc7 Nxc7 40.Nc4 Qb5 41.Qc2 Qa6 42.Qa4 f5 43.Qc6 Qxc6 44.dxc6 d5 45.Bxf8 Kxf8 46.exd5 Nxd5 47.Nxa5 Ke7 48.Nc4 Ke6 49.Kf2 Nc7 50.Nb6 Kd6 51.Nd7 Nd5 52.g4 fxg4 53.fxg4 e4 54.Nf8 Kxc6 55.Nxh7 Kc5 56.Nf8 e3+ 57.Kf3 g5 58.Ne6+ Kc4 59.Ke2 Nf4+ 60.Nxf4 gxf4 61.g5 Kd4 62.g6 f3+ 63.Kxf3 Kd3 64.g7 e2 65.g8Q e1Q 66.Qd5+ 1-0

Miranda
20-11-2008, 08:15 PM
Zhao is playing Topalov!


Bo. 6 Bulgaria (BUL) Rtg - 53 Australia (AUS) Rtg 0 : 0
10.1 GM Topalov Veselin 2791 - GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567
10.2 GM Cheparinov Ivan 2696 - IM Smerdon David 2470
10.3 GM Georgiev Kiril 2645 - IM Solomon Stephen J 2470
10.4 GM Delchev Aleksander 2632 - IM Xie George Wendi

Crossfire (Axiom)
20-11-2008, 08:22 PM
Why would Daryl want to be rested ??
Why would anyone want to rest him ??

:confused:

Intuition
20-11-2008, 08:25 PM
I cant belive DJ is not playing.....this is insane!!! :eek: :wall:

Take back what I said about the result eariler....... 4-0 to bulgaria now

Igor_Goldenberg
20-11-2008, 08:28 PM
Zhao is playing Topalov!

To play someone of that calibre is a chance of lifetime. I wish him all the luck.

Kevin Bonham
20-11-2008, 08:30 PM
What a great experience for Zhao.

Smerdon-Cheparinov will be interesting as David is white and has a good track record against players of that standard, drawing more often than not.

The way they are doing the draw seems very bizarre. They appear to be pairing first (on tiebreak) in a given score group against last in that scoregroup, second against second last, third against third last etc. Given the granularity of the scoregroups created by using match points instead of game points it is no wonder there are still mismatches as late as round 7.


Why would Daryl want to be rested ??
Why would anyone want to rest him ??

Maybe he has his eyes on a board prize already. :)

Igor_Goldenberg
20-11-2008, 08:30 PM
Why would Daryl want to be rested ??
Why would anyone want to rest him ??

:confused:

There could be plenty of reasons. Everyone else also want to play. Xie needs a chance to play 2600+. Also Darryl might be in a chance for a medal.

Igor_Goldenberg
20-11-2008, 08:34 PM
The way they are doing the draw seems very bizarre. They appear to be pairing first (on tiebreak) in a given score group against last in that scoregroup, second against second last, third against third last etc. Given the granularity of the scoregroups created by using match points instead of game points it is no wonder there are still mismatches as late as round 7.
And he one in the middle is floated down:
Israel(10)-Spain(9)

Miranda
20-11-2008, 08:35 PM
Bo. 56 Venezuela (VEN) Rtg - 54 Australia (AUS) Rtg 0 : 0
23.1 WGM Sanchez Castillo Sarai 2206 - Nguyen Thu Giang 2101
23.2 WIM Ubaldo Suarez Maria Gisela 2089 - WIM Moylan Laura 2114
23.3 Hernandez Zaida 2039 - WIM Dekic Biljana N 2103
23.4 Otazo Annyd 1942 - WFM Oliver Shannon 1942


This is the women's pairings :)

Igor_Goldenberg
20-11-2008, 08:37 PM
Bo. 56 Venezuela (VEN) Rtg - 54 Australia (AUS) Rtg 0 : 0
23.1 WGM Sanchez Castillo Sarai 2206 - Nguyen Thu Giang 2101
23.2 WIM Ubaldo Suarez Maria Gisela 2089 - WIM Moylan Laura 2114
23.3 Hernandez Zaida 2039 - WIM Dekic Biljana N 2103
23.4 Otazo Annyd 1942 - WFM Oliver Shannon 1942


This is the women's pairings :)
Looks like an even match

Intuition
20-11-2008, 08:37 PM
There could be plenty of reasons. Everyone else also want to play. Xie needs a chance to play 2600+. Also Darryl might be in a chance for a medal.

Surely DJ would want to get in and play against strong opposition rather than 'rest' and try and take a medal..I dont think that the right attidude to have and there is still many rounds to go so it would be to early to be doing that anyway..,

If this is not DJ's decision I thinnk its a real shame given that he's the main reason the team is in the position it is in now and xie has been playing poor chess

Duff McKagan
20-11-2008, 08:39 PM
Go Giang on board 1!!

P.S. Solo and Sango will be in for tough rides tonight.

Crossfire (Axiom)
20-11-2008, 08:40 PM
Maybe he has his eyes on a board prize already. :) Maybe he does , but would that constitute a correct team stratagem?


There could be plenty of reasons. Everyone else also want to play. Xie needs a chance to play 2600+. Also Darryl might be in a chance for a medal.
That's all very well, but is that correct ?

Igor_Goldenberg
20-11-2008, 08:41 PM
Surely DJ would want to get in and play against strong opposition rather than 'rest' and try and take a medal..I dont think that the right attidude to have and there is still many rounds to go so it would be to early to be doing that anyway..,

If this is not DJ's decision I thinnk its a real shame given that he's the main reason the team is in the position it is in now and xie has been playing poor chess
Normal practice for Australian team is to give everyone similar chances of playing. Darryl had five games in a row, deserves a rest.

MichaelBaron
20-11-2008, 08:53 PM
Normal practice for Australian team is to give everyone similar chances of playing. Darryl had five games in a row, deserves a rest.

This is a normal practice for teams like Russia or Ukraine with a lot of quality players available. Given relatively poor form of some of the other Aus team members i think it is rather transparent why Darryl is not playing..

Anyway..i am loooking forward for the games to start..in 3 hours

Kevin Bonham
20-11-2008, 09:03 PM
Maybe he does , but would that constitute a correct team stratagem?

At this stage of the Olympiad it hardly matters who you field in terms of the likely outcome at the end of the event. A good finish for Australia usually depends on not getting too low down in the midsection of the event and then storming home in the last three rounds (we did a very nice job of this last time.)

It also makes sense to rest a player who is performing very well against a team that will probably beat us anyway, so he is fresher for remaining games. But I suspect Igor's right and it's just Darryl's turn for a break.

Bill Gletsos
20-11-2008, 10:00 PM
The way they are doing the draw seems very bizarre. They appear to be pairing first (on tiebreak) in a given score group against last in that scoregroup, second against second last, third against third last etc. Given the granularity of the scoregroups created by using match points instead of game points it is no wonder there are still mismatches as late as round 7.The system in use is the Burstein Swiss Pairing System.

You can read about it here (http://www.fide.com/info/handbook?id=86&view=article).

EBT
20-11-2008, 10:18 PM
Given relatively poor form of some of the other Aus team members i think it is rather transparent why Darryl is not playing..

I think there's just too much interpretation going on. Best explanation is it's his turn to rest.

Besides, looking at the stage in their careers, I think the experience of playing a 2600+ GM will benefit George more than Darryl.

WhiteElephant
20-11-2008, 10:59 PM
Oh man....and I was hoping for an early night tonight :eek:

I don't think it's gonna happen! One hour to go!!!

Garvinator
21-11-2008, 12:28 AM
Where do I get to see Topa- Zhao live?

Zwischenzug
21-11-2008, 12:31 AM
http://schachlive.dresden2008.de/live.team.games.m.eng.html

Bill Gletsos
21-11-2008, 12:58 AM
Where do I get to see Topa- Zhao live?Dresden. :whistle:

Amir K.
21-11-2008, 04:11 AM
http://schachlive.dresden2008.de/live.team.games.m.eng.html

Topalov vs Zhao game, coul be seen on ICC internet chess club.

Amir K.
21-11-2008, 04:28 AM
Topalov vs Zhao game, coul be seen on ICC internet chess club.



1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 d5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bg5 Be7 6.e3 O-O 7.Bd3 Nbd7 8.Nge2 Re8 9.O-O Nf8 10.b4 Be6 11.b5 Ng6 12.Qc2 Bd6 13.f4 Bg4 14.Bxf6 Qxf6 15.Nxd5 Qd8 16.Ng3 Rc8 17.Bf5 Bxf5 18.Nxf5 c6 19.bxc6 bxc6 20.Nc3 Bb4 21.Ne4 a5 22.Rad1 h6 23.Neg3 Nf8 24.e4 Ne6 25.e5 Qb6 26.Nh5 Red8 27.Kh1 Kf8 28.Nfxg7 Nxg7 29.Nf6 Ke7 30.d5 Rh8 31.Qb3 Rcd8 32.d6+ Kf8 33.f5 Qb5 34.Qg3 Qe2 35.Qf4 Ne8 36.Ne4 Rg8 37.Qxh6+ Rg7 38.Ng3

Qbert
21-11-2008, 04:49 AM
The NZ Open team beats Bosnia & Herzegovnia 2.5-1.5 ! Wins by Chandler and Lukey and a draw from Nokes - well done! :clap:

arosar
21-11-2008, 04:59 AM
For NZ fans, go to my live blog widget today and download a special team photo!!

AR

Garrett
21-11-2008, 05:24 AM
The NZ Open team beats Bosnia & Herzegovnia 2.5-1.5 ! Wins by Chandler and Lukey and a draw from Nokes - well done! :clap:

Nice work !! :clap:
Cheers
Garrett

Davidflude
21-11-2008, 07:58 AM
It pleases me to see Roger Nokes going so well.

Capablanca-Fan
21-11-2008, 08:05 AM
For NZ fans, go to my live blog widget today and download a special team photo!!
Why not add to your sig a link to your blog? There seems no more need for that Olympiad donation box, as good as that was.

Igor_Goldenberg
21-11-2008, 08:09 AM
Why not add to your sig a link to your blog? There seems no more need for that Olympiad donation box, as good as that was.
What we want? Link to the blog!
When we want it? Now!

Capablanca-Fan
21-11-2008, 08:15 AM
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 d5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bg5 Be7 6.e3 O-O 7.Bd3 Nbd7 8.Nge2 Re8 9.O-O Nf8 10.b4 Be6 11.b5 Ng6 12.Qc2 Bd6 13.f4 Bg4 14.Bxf6 Qxf6 15.Nxd5 Qd8 16.Ng3 Rc8 17.Bf5 Bxf5 18.Nxf5 c6 19.bxc6 bxc6 20.Nc3 Bb4 21.Ne4 a5 22.Rad1 h6 23.Neg3 Nf8 24.e4 Ne6 25.e5 Qb6 26.Nh5 Red8 27.Kh1 Kf8 28.Nfxg7 Nxg7 29.Nf6 Ke7 30.d5 Rh8 31.Qb3 Rcd8 32.d6+ Kf8 33.f5 Qb5 34.Qg3 Qe2 35.Qf4 Ne8 36.Ne4 Rg8 37.Qxh6+ Rg7 38.Ng3
Thanx, Amir.

Sorry to say, but it looks like our guys were simply outclassed.

Watto
21-11-2008, 09:25 AM
The NZ Open team beats Bosnia & Herzegovnia 2.5-1.5 ! Wins by Chandler and Lukey and a draw from Nokes - well done! :clap:
Great stuff! :clap: The NZ open team gets Ukraine next.

The Australian open team plays Bosnia & Herzegovina next... hope the NZ result hasn't left them too alert and alarmed...

Our women's team plays Barbados- doesn't look like much of a challenge on paper so hopefully that will prove to be the case.
Good luck all!

p.s. Great photo by Amiel of the NZ team after their victory … http://closetgrandmaster.blogspot.com/ (it’s in the live blog, round 7)

Intuition
21-11-2008, 10:59 AM
Looks like the guys froze up really badly against bulgaria...played no where near their best...seems like they missed the Daryl effect...lol :D

Capablanca-Fan
21-11-2008, 11:05 AM
Looks like the guys froze up really badly against bulgaria...played no where near their best...seems like they missed the Daryl effect...lol :D
But at least they had the excuse of playing a very strong team. What happened to the women to lose 0–4 against a team they had a reasonable chance of beating? Well, under his crass match point system, they may as well get their losses all in one match.

MichaelBaron
21-11-2008, 11:49 AM
The New Zealand team achieved something very special :clap:

Playing Ukraine on board 5 as late as in round 8 of the Ollympiad is a facinating achievement. I believe (correct me if i am wrong) NZ never had such achievements in the past. Therefore, its a historic moment. :clap:


As for our match against Bulgaria...well...the opponent was just too good.

Kevin Bonham
21-11-2008, 12:08 PM
Congrats to NZ on their big upset. They are now in an outstanding 24th place. Meanwhile their victims play ... us!

Don't know how our women's team managed to lose 4-0 against a similar-strength team as when I looked about an hour and a half in they seemed to be doing OK.

Miranda
21-11-2008, 12:33 PM
I guess the women just had an off day - oh well. Everyone has them.

Anyway, with the men's, we should score 4-0 tonight. I mean, if the Kiwis can smash them obviously we can!

Igor_Goldenberg
21-11-2008, 01:04 PM
I just looked at the women's pairing. Could someone explain this:
1 Ukraine(12) - China(13)
2.Germany1(8!)-Estonia(8!)
3. USA(11)-Russia(11)

Why Germany1 and Estonia are playing on the second board?

Miranda
21-11-2008, 01:13 PM
Because Germany's the host nation, maybe?
I don't know :)

eclectic
21-11-2008, 01:16 PM
the host nation is allowed to field more than one team

Ian Rout
21-11-2008, 01:17 PM
I just looked at the women's pairing. Could someone explain this:
1 Ukraine(12) - China(13)
2.Germany1(8!)-Estonia(8!)
3. USA(11)-Russia(11)

Why Germany1 and Estonia are playing on the second board?I haven't looked at every round but I think Germany's games are always on Board 2. This may be due to a convenient location for spectators at the hall or to give it a prominent placement on the live broadcast.

Miranda
21-11-2008, 01:17 PM
Yeah, doesn't Germany have 3 teams in the Open or something?

Ian Murray
21-11-2008, 01:24 PM
Yeah, doesn't Germany have 3 teams in the Open or something?
Allowed a second team as host nation, and a third if necessary as a bye-breaker if odd number of teams at Round 1

Capablanca-Fan
21-11-2008, 01:30 PM
Yeah, doesn't Germany have 3 teams in the Open or something?
Definitely normal. When I played in the World Junior in France, there were three French reps: the junior champ (whom I beat; this was before the rise of French prodigies), another guy and the champion of the host city to avoid a bye.

Miranda
21-11-2008, 01:35 PM
Definitely normal. When I played in the World Junior in France, there were three French reps: the junior champ (whom I beat; this was before the rise of French prodigies), another guy and the champion of the host city to avoid a bye.

What French prodigies? :doh:

Crossfire (Axiom)
21-11-2008, 01:37 PM
What French prodigies? :doh:
Lautier ,Bacrot are two that come to mind.

Ian Rout
21-11-2008, 01:38 PM
Allowed a second team as host nation, and a third if necessary as a bye-breaker if odd number of teams at Round 1
I think it used to be that the host nation put in a second team only when there was otherwise an odd number, until one time there was an even number and the host decided it wanted a second team anyway, so then had to put in a third to remove the bye this created.

Capablanca-Fan
21-11-2008, 01:55 PM
Lautier, Bacrot are two that come to mind.
Exactly. Then their current #2, Maxime Vachier-Lagrave (b. 21 October 1990), who became the second-youngest grandmaster in the world in 2005, just behind Norway's outstanding Magnus Carlsen.

bobby1972
21-11-2008, 02:01 PM
hey michael good to see you true to form.what do you mean by "transparent" .i mean the bloke is one of our greatest players EVER.

MichaelBaron
21-11-2008, 02:19 PM
hey michael good to see you true to form.what do you mean by "transparent" .i mean the bloke is one of our greatest players EVER.

Transparent = obvious (please see Oxford Dictionary if you are still not sure about the meaning of "Transparent"). I never said that he is not one of the greatest players ever! Nor i said anything bad about him. Please learn to read in English :owned:

bobby1972
21-11-2008, 02:32 PM
love it ,believe it or not "transparent" is nearly the same in spanish "TRANSPARENTE" just add an e as in EVER

Intuition
21-11-2008, 02:55 PM
Don't know how our women's team managed to lose 4-0 against a similar-strength team as when I looked about an hour and a half in they seemed to be doing OK.

match fixing? :hmm: :P

Capablanca-Fan
21-11-2008, 03:30 PM
match fixing? :hmm: :P
Doubt it. And there is no advantage under this moronic match-point scoring to fix a 4–0 sweep rather than a narrow 2½–1½.

Amir K.
21-11-2008, 10:03 PM
Thanx, Amir.

Sorry to say, but it looks like our guys were simply outclassed.
Yeah, I think if you follow your idol games and suddenly you play him, you will get to excited as Zhao played....................etc

Adamski
21-11-2008, 10:05 PM
The NZ Open team beats Bosnia & Herzegovnia 2.5-1.5 ! Wins by Chandler and Lukey and a draw from Nokes - well done! :clap:Yes, well done Kiwi team! Great victory! Worthy of a haka!

Adamski
21-11-2008, 10:10 PM
For NZ fans, go to my live blog widget today and download a special team photo!!

ARGreat stuff, Arosar/ TCG. Truly a historic photo! Now to add a similar scoreboard v Aus in the league and the cricket! (well, maybe.)

MichaelBaron
21-11-2008, 10:19 PM
Nikolic is not as great as Korchnoi of course, but he was also world championship candidate. Will be interesting to watch Zhao play him.

Also New zealand vs. Ukraine - thrilling to watch playrs of my calibre (NZ board 2-4 players) fight it out with the likes of Karjakin and Eljanov

Bill Gletsos
21-11-2008, 10:58 PM
Bo. 2 Ukraine (UKR) Rtg - 71 New Zealand (NZL) Rtg
5.1 GM Ivanchuk Vassily 2786 - GM Chandler Murray G 2515
5.2 GM Eljanov Pavel 2720 - IM Dive Russell John 2357
5.3 GM Efimenko Zahar 2680 - FM Smith Robert W 2316
5.4 GM Volokitin Andrei 2659 - FM Nokes Roger I 2293

Bill Gletsos
21-11-2008, 11:08 PM
Br. 29 Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH) Rtg - 53 Australia (AUS) Rtg
20.1 GM Predojevic Borki 2615 - GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567
20.2 GM Saric Ibro 2559 - IM Smerdon David 2470
20.3 IM Stojanovic Dalibor 2455 - IM Solomon Stephen J 2470
20.4 IM Bogut Zeljko 2464 - GM Johansen Darryl K 2446