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Zwischenzug
27-10-2006, 09:56 AM
Hi. I seriously think my endgame is improving by alot. In this game, I am on the losing end of rook and bishop vs. two bishops. Black made silly repetitive moves in this game to try to win on time but my aggressive king won through!

(224) Zwichenzug (1643) - Papllonsg (1457) [b]A22]
Rated game, 15m + 1s Café, 27.10.2006
1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.g3 a6 4.Bg2 Bb4 5.Qc2 Nc6 6.e3 d6 7.d3 0–0 8.a3 Ba5 9.b4 Bb6 10.Nge2 Re8 11.0–0 h6 12.e4 Ng4 13.h3 Nf6 14.Kh2 Nd4 15.Nxd4 exd4 16.Nd5 Nxd5 17.cxd5 Qd7 18.f4 Ba7 19.f5 f6 20.Rf4 Kh7 21.Rg4 h5 22.Rg6 b5 23.Qe2 Rh8 24.Qxh5+ Kg8 25.Qg4 Qf7 26.Bh6 Rh7 27.Rf1 Bd7 28.Rf4 Be8 29.Qh5 Qd7 30.Rfg4 Bxg6 31.Qxg6 Kh8 32.Bf4 Rg8 33.Rh4 Rxh4 34.gxh4 Rf8 35.h5 Qf7 36.Qg4 Rg8 37.Qg6 Qxg6 38.hxg6 Bb6 39.h4 a5 40.h5 axb4 41.axb4 Rf8 42.h6 gxh6 43.Bxh6 Rg8 44.Kh3 Rg7 45.Bxg7+ Kxg7 46.Kh4 Ba7 47.Kh5 Bb8 48.Bf1 c6 49.dxc6 Bc7 50.Kg4 Bb6 51.Kf3 Bc7 52.Ke2 Bb6 53.Kd2 Kh6 54.Be2 Bc7 55.Bd1 Bb6 56.Bb3 Kg7 57.Bc4 Bc7 58.Bxb5 Bb6 59.Bc4 Bc7 60.b5 Bb6 61.Bd5 Kh6 62.Kc2 Kg7 63.Kb3 Kh6 64.Kc4 Kg7 65.c7 Bxc7 66.Kxd4 Bb6+ 67.Kc4 Kh6 68.Be6 Kg7 69.Kd5 Bc7 70.b6 Bxb6 71.Kxd6 Be3 72.Kd5 Bg5 73.d4 Bf4 74.Bc8 Bg3 75.e5 Bxe5 76.dxe5 fxe5 77.Kxe5 Kh6 78.Kf4 Kg7 79.Kg5 Kf8 80.f6 Kg8 81.f7+ Kg7 82.Bf5 Kh8 83. f8=Q# 1–0

[Edit] Now that I think about it, I might have lost in the end if black grabbed the open file with his rook.

road runner
27-10-2006, 12:15 PM
You had mate in 2 with 33.Qxh7

Zwischenzug
27-10-2006, 12:20 PM
You had mate in 2 with 33.Qxh7

You are right, it didn't occur to me to give up my queen.

EGOR
27-10-2006, 12:28 PM
You had mate in 2 with 33.Qxh7
I might seem dum for asking this, but, I cannot see it?
Sorry, see it now.:doh: :D :whistle:

Zwischenzug
27-10-2006, 12:55 PM
I might seem dum for asking this, but, I cannot see it?
Sorry, see it now.:doh: :D :whistle:

Yes, its 33. Qxh7 Kxh7 34. Rh4#

Kevin Bonham
27-10-2006, 04:40 PM
Hi. I seriously think my endgame is improving by alot. In this game, I am on the losing end of rook and bishop vs. two bishops.

I don't think you were really losing that ending at all. You had compensation for the exchange in the form of a passed pawn and black's very bad bishop. Black had no need to give back the exchange though; perhaps he was scared and trying for the draw? (44...Ra8 for Black is OK.)

Zwischenzug
27-10-2006, 06:57 PM
Hi Kevin. Now that you have seen a few more of my games, would 1400 be a good estimate for my strength?

road runner
27-10-2006, 07:23 PM
Hi Kevin. Now that you have seen a few more of my games, would 1400 be a good estimate for my strength?
IMO, you are less than 1400. Maybe closer to 1200. It is of course very hard to tell from a handful of rapid internet games.

Kevin Bonham
27-10-2006, 08:15 PM
Hi Kevin. Now that you have seen a few more of my games, would 1400 be a good estimate for my strength?

I can't say that accurately from rapid games. I get the impression that while you play some nice attacks and seem to have a reasonable idea in the endgame, you still miss a lot more one-move tactics than even the average aggressive 1400. I'd think 1300, but remember that ratings are based on performance in slower time control games and without several of those it is impossible to say.

Zwischenzug
27-10-2006, 09:55 PM
I can't say that accurately from rapid games. I get the impression that while you play some nice attacks and seem to have a reasonable idea in the endgame, you still miss a lot more one-move tactics than even the average aggressive 1400. I'd think 1300, but remember that ratings are based on performance in slower time control games and without several of those it is impossible to say.

What time control is good, 30 min? 45 min? 1 hour? Are there any good places to play slower games online (besides correspondence chess, a bit too slow for me). As for my tactics, I am often so preoccupied with looking for combinations that I miss simple one move tactics.

eclectic
27-10-2006, 10:18 PM
What time control is good, 30 min? 45 min? 1 hour? Are there any good places to play slower games online (besides correspondence chess, a bit too slow for me).

Both FICS and ICC host a group called the STC (Slow Time Control) Bunch in channel 90 where like minded people meet to play longer time control games.

Also both sites have versions of a 45 45 team league.

Kevin Bonham
28-10-2006, 12:07 AM
What time control is good, 30 min? 45 min? 1 hour? Are there any good places to play slower games online (besides correspondence chess, a bit too slow for me). As for my tactics, I am often so preoccupied with looking for combinations that I miss simple one move tactics.

For rated games it has to be >=1 hr or something similar, eg 30 or 40 mins plus 30 secs per move.

I don't really follow online sites so can't say. I understand slow time limits are pretty uncommon online, unless they are very slow (CC).

Zwischenzug
28-10-2006, 12:19 AM
For rated games it has to be >=1 hr or something similar, eg 30 or 40 mins plus 30 secs per move.

I don't really follow online sites so can't say. I understand slow time limits are pretty uncommon online, unless they are very slow (CC).

Do you recommend correspondence chess on this forum as an alternative?

Kevin Bonham
28-10-2006, 12:37 AM
Do you recommend correspondence chess on this forum as an alternative?

Yes. However a rating ultimately measures performance under controlled tournament conditions so if you want to play well under such conditions, there is no substitute for experience under the same conditions.

Some players are rather good at CC but relative duffers OTB.

eclectic
28-10-2006, 12:56 AM
Find out if there's a chess club in your area and when they meet then go and check them out. ;)

Zwischenzug
28-10-2006, 01:02 AM
Here is a really silly question, in correspondence games, do you see much sharp attacking games, or are the games mainly heavily strategic and positional? You would expect with time control of several days, less mistakes will be made and defenses against tactics and combinations to be well thought out.

Garvinator
28-10-2006, 01:06 AM
You would expect with time control of several days, less mistakes will be made and defenses against tactics and combinations to be well thought out.you would think that, but here is a completed game from the still on going cc tournament:


Event: Unkown
Site: Unkown
Date: Unkown
Round: Unkown
White: Axiom
Black: Boris
Result: Draw
SetUp: 0

1. e4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. f3 c5 4. g3 Nf6 5. Bg2 Be7 6. Ne2 Nc6 7. 0-0 Qc7 8. Nd2 b5 9. c3 Bb7 10. f4 0-0 11. e5 Ng4 12. Nf3 c4 13. d4 b4 14. h3 Nh6 15. g4 Kh8 16. Ng3 bxc3 17. bxc3 Qa5 18. Bd2 Rab8 19. f5 Ng8 20. g5 exf5 21. Nxf5 Bc8 22. N3h4 Be6 23. Nxg7 Kxg7 24. Qh5 Nxd4 25. Rf6 Nb3 26. g6 fxg6 27. Bh6+ Nxh6 28. Rxg6+ hxg6 29. Qxg6+ Kh8 30. Qxh6+ Kg8 31. Qxe6+ Rf7 32. Bxd5 Qxd5 33. Qxd5 Nxa1 34. Ng6 Kg7 35. e6 Kxg6 36. exf7 Rf8 37. Qe6+ Bf6 38. Qe1 Nb3 39. axb3 cxb3 40. Qb1+ Kg7 41. Qxb3 Rxf7 42. Kg2 Rc7 43. c4 Be5 44. Kf3 Bd4 45. Ke4 Bb6 46. Kd5 Kh6 47. Kd6 Rc5 48. Qd3 Rh5 49. Qe4 Bc5+ 50. Kc6 Bb6 51. Qe6+ Kg7 52. Qg4+ Kh6 53. Qg8 Rc5+ 54. Kd6 Rh5 55. Ke6 Rc5 56. Kf6 Rc6+ 57. Kf5 Rc5+ 58. Kg4 Rc7 59. Qe6+ Kg7 60. h4 Rc5 61. h5 Rc7 62. h6+ Kh7 63. Kf4 Rc5 64. Kg4 Rc7 65. Kf5 Rc5+ 66. Ke4 Rh5 67. Qf7+ draw offe

Kevin Bonham
28-10-2006, 01:22 AM
you would think that, but here is a completed game from the still on going cc tournament:

That game was a ripper! (Axiom did miss a win at the end and probably at other points in the endgame but i wouldn't call much in that game straightforward.)

eclectic
28-10-2006, 01:25 AM
When playing through such a correspondence game what is the correct speed to use ... slow, super slow, or snail speed? :lol:

Zwischenzug
28-10-2006, 01:29 AM
I like white's attack in this game (Axiom vs. Boris). Makes me want to play correspondence chess as well. Being a french player, I have to beware of the King Indian Attack!

qpawn
28-10-2006, 09:25 PM
Kevin Bonham said:

Some players are rather good at CC but relative duffers OTB.

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Yep. Ain't that true in my case. Lousy chess memory. Go to pieces in time control. But give me my CC envelope and I am like a puny weakling who takes steroids...:D

qpawn
28-10-2006, 09:30 PM
Zwischenzug is smart enough to recognise the strength of the French defence. That alone should add a 200 ELO bonus to his current rating. :D

Yes. The king's Indian attack is often used against the French and Sicillian. Fischer was quite an exponent of the KIA at one stage in his career. As black you have to watch for white getting in e5 and then whacking the h pawn down the board; Fischer won with that set up inmany KIA games !

Zwischenzug
28-10-2006, 11:40 PM
Here is another question, possibly one thats rarely asked: if I had a chess style, what is it? Is it positional? Tactical? What GM games would be good to follow to further improve with my particular style?

Southpaw Jim
29-10-2006, 07:42 PM
On the subject, but not really - can anyone comment on the Convekta range of endgame training software? Or recommend any other endgame training software?

road runner
24-05-2007, 11:17 PM
Interesting how the 2300-player manages to win what should have been a completely drawn (eg. at move 60) R+P v R ending. Quite instructive.

Game (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1448419)

Garvinator
25-05-2007, 01:52 AM
Interesting how the 2300-player manages to win what should have been a completely drawn (eg. at move 60) R+P v R ending. Quite instructive.

Game (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1448419)
Gunner lost an ending very similar to that against Stahnke at the Triple Treat tournament.

Basil
25-05-2007, 02:05 AM
Gunner lost an ending very similar to that against Stahnke at the Triple Treat tournament.
I did indeed. After how long surfing the 10 sec increment? Just the hours will be fine - forget the minutes :P

Capablanca-Fan
25-05-2007, 04:52 AM
Interesting how the 2300-player manages to win what should have been a completely drawn (eg. at move 60) R+P v R ending. Quite instructive.

Game (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1448419)

Quite a lot of mistakes before as well. Black could have recovered his Benko pawn with a good game, but he allowed 35. e5, which led to two connected passed pawns.

But then White allowed the dead drawn Philidor position. What on earth was Black thinking when he played 72...Ke8, allowing Rg7-g8, instead of keeping his K on the queening square and shuffling his R on the 3rd rank? 77. ... Rb8 was the final straw; 77... Rf1 (behind the pawn) would still draw. If 78. Kf6, remember to go to the short side with ... Kg8, which is drawn, while ...Ke8 would lose:

78: ... Kg8 79. Ra8+ Kh7 80. Rf8 (threatening Ke7 and advancing the pawn) ... Ra8! and checks from the side. 78 ... Ke8 would not leave enough room for the saving side checks.

Igor_Goldenberg
25-05-2007, 09:50 AM
I remember 24 year ago in a junior competition I had a R+Pe5 vs R in a Filidor position. The game was adjorned (!).

On the resumtion of the game my opponent let my rook to the 6th rank. Then he went to the correct side with his king but still managed to lose it!