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Kevin Bonham
12-08-2006, 06:49 PM
Some of the things that happen in junior games are quite hilarious. Tony Sturges informs me that he recently saw this in a junior event:

1.e3 f6 2.Qh5+ g6 3.Be2 gxh5 4.Bxh5#

pax
12-08-2006, 09:11 PM
I'm astonished that someone who plays 1.e3 could come up with 3.Be2!

Garrett
13-08-2006, 07:20 AM
lol

I've never seen this before and won't fall for it now - thanks !

Kevin Bonham
13-08-2006, 11:47 AM
I'm astonished that someone who plays 1.e3 could come up with 3.Be2!

macavity and I have both won with 1.e3 in rated games. :eek:

Denis_Jessop
13-08-2006, 04:59 PM
Was either of these juniors under-rated? :owned:

DJ

Kevin Bonham
13-08-2006, 07:12 PM
Was either of these juniors under-rated? :owned:

Both unrated actually. Think it was a primary school club tournament.

qpawn
17-08-2006, 06:37 PM
This special piece of skill needs a name
the talent of white deserves fame
so with historical insight and aclaim
I crown it the GRECO MATE game

:D :D :D

Kevin Bonham
17-08-2006, 11:05 PM
qpawn, are you referring to this?

Greco - NN 1619

1.e4 b6 2.d4 Bb7 3.Bd3 f5 4.exf5 Bxg2 5.Qh5+ g6 6.fxg6 Nf6 7.gxh7 Nxh5 8.Bg6# 1-0

Or did Greco mention the exact mate from this thread?

qpawn
18-08-2006, 08:33 PM
My reference to the Greco mate was only analogical.

To my knowledge Greco did not find the unique mate sequence used by the juniors :)

Kevin Bonham
20-08-2006, 09:14 PM
To my knowledge Greco did not find the unique mate sequence used by the juniors :)

Oddly enough a Google search for any instance of Bxh5 mate on move 4 came up with nothing. I would be interested to hear of any previous example of this exact mate (or same with e and/or f pawns advanced two squares.)

Kevin Bonham
07-10-2006, 05:20 PM
The player responsible for the 4-move mate trap was Piyusha Banneheke, and he informs me (via Tony) that he has also employed it against the Fred!

1.e4 f5 2.Qh5+ g6 3.Be2 gxh5?? 4.Bxh5#

Mephistopheles
20-10-2006, 08:18 PM
'Ere! Don't knock the Fred. I've analysed a likely line where Black ends up a pawn down for nothing and no worse!

Kevin Bonham
21-10-2006, 04:27 PM
'Ere! Don't knock the Fred. I've analysed a likely line where Black ends up a pawn down for nothing and no worse!

Time for the Chessbase treatment. :lol:

The Fred (1.e4 f5) appears in Chessbase 100 times. I actually expected it to be more than that. The score from white's side is +65=18-17 or 26% for Black. The 64 whites taking the pawn immediately (+42=10-12, 73%) surprisingly fared no better than the 36 not doing so (+23=8-5, 75%).

The highest rated player playing the Fred in Chessbase files is Aljosa Grosar 2474 who played it against a player of similar rating and lost.

Six players rated 2000+ have employed the Fred, receiving a win, a draw and two losses. One of the losses was against an unrated player; in the remaining five Black outrated White slightly.

This game features both the highest rated White loser to the Fred and the highest rated Black winner with it in Chessbase, and it is actually quite an interesting scrap.

[Event "Miskolc Avas op"]
[Site "Miskolc"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Hidegh,Gabor" 2060]
[Black "Koncz,Lajos" 2000]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "B00"]
1.e4 f5 2.exf5 Nf6 3.d4 d5 4.Bd3 c5 5.c3 Nc6 6.dxc5 e5 7.fxe6 Bxc5 8.Nf3 0-0
9.0-0 Bxe6 10.h3 Qd7 11.Ng5 Bf5 12.Bxf5 Qxf5 13.Qf3 Qc2 14.Ne6 Ne4 15.Nxf8 Rxf8 16.Qd1 Bxf2+
17.Kh2 Bg3+ 18.Kg1 Rxf1+ 19.Qxf1 Ne5 20.Nd2 Nxd2 21.Bxd2 Qxd2 22.Qb5 h6 23.Qxb7 Nf3+ 24.Kh1 Ne1
25.Qc8+ Kf7 26.Qf5+ Ke7 27.Qf1 Nd3 28.Qf3 Nf2+ 29.Kg1 Ne4 30.Rf1 Bc7 31.Qf8+ Kd7 32.Qxg7+ Kc6
33.Qg6+ Kb7 34.Qf7 Qe3+ 35.Rf2 Nxf2 36.Qxf2 Qc1+ 37.Qf1 Bb6+ 0-1

Sheroff
17-06-2019, 12:03 AM
1.e3 is a very underrated - and underused - opening move. It can transpose into a lot of stuff that Black might not be prepared for, e.g. reverse Stonewalls, favorable English openings, reverse French Defense, reverse Slav, etc. I've seen Stephen Solomon use it before in tournament play, and I've trotted it out on occasion. Perfectly legit and good for blitz when you want opponents to have to think for themselves instead of rattling off 15 book moves in a row.

Sheroff
17-06-2019, 12:10 AM
And speaking of bizarre gambits, I was beaten once in the Australian Open (1984, in Ballarat) by Alan Goldsmith who, against my 1.e4, replied ... h5 2.d4 d5 3. exd5 c6 4.dxc6 e5!?, the Kadaz Gambit (yes, it looks like total rubbish but actually has a name). Black gets all sorts of dangerous development for his pawns. Easy to lose your way, as I found out. Of course, it helps if you're Alan Goldsmith when you brazenly play this sort of stuff! :)

Cheers,
Kevin Casey

antichrist
19-06-2019, 03:12 PM
first time I have view this thread, will be dragging these beauties out for next lessons

FM_Bill
25-09-2019, 11:46 PM
In the late 70s I witnessed a game beterrn Grant Crocker and Chess Challenger, which was an incredibly weak engine. It could not even promote a pawn to a queen, it remained a pawn on the 8th rank.

The game went 1.e3 f5 2.Qh5+ g6 3.Be2 gxh5 4.Bxh5#

Same as the original post, but ..f5 instead of ..f6.