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Arrogant-One
10-07-2006, 04:49 PM
Axiom,

Can you please tell us about that time when you were coming home from Chess Tiger training school and you were viciously attacked by chess thugs?

Thanks,

AO

Axiom
10-07-2006, 05:18 PM
Axiom,

Can you please tell us about that time when you were coming home from Chess Tiger training school and you were viciously attacked by chess thugs?

Thanks,

AO

ok, firstly,..you have to recognise, Krasnoyarsk in the 1950s,was a very different place,it is difficult for us to imagine from our perspective today.

just to clarify , is it the particular incidence of the chess thug attack, that you are interested in? if so i talked briefly about it in the KCC thread...i dont think there is of much significance that i can add to that particular episode.....it was not an uncommon event, amongst rival chess groups(gangs) of the time. ....the stress and emotions ran high ,during the intense camp study programs,and often spilled out onto the streets.

the major groups were of course , the siberian chess tigers, and also, red knights, the sicilian group, the LGR(LAB GAMBIT RATS), KGB based group,the black wolf, BG5, Daggers, White fox, and many other specialist based groups

there was great competition between groups,to supply the latest theory to the best in moscow,,,it was common for kgb, to infiltrate these groups,much espionage and counter espionage.

i would be happy to field any questions you may have

Axiom
10-07-2006, 05:56 PM
Axiom,

Can you please tell us about that time when you were coming home from Chess Tiger training school and you were viciously attacked by chess thugs?

Thanks,

AO
siberian chess tigers were accused by the red knights of studying banned lines!..which of course we were!

the red knights had been infiltrated by members of black wolf(a branch of kgb, dedicated to keeping chess on the "soviet path")

after hard day of chess training, and walking home with fellow members, we were accosted on the street,..but thankfully ,the martial art training we all recieved at the camp,saved us..........we had to be constantly aware of potential clashes with rival groups


it was our ultra secret workings on the chess opening theory black arts,that saw us constantly under siege.

in my next post i will reveal one of these secrets....never yet published anywhere in the west!

MichaelBaron
10-07-2006, 11:36 PM
siberian chess tigers were accused by the red knights of studying banned lines!..which of course we were!

the red knights had been infiltrated by members of black wolf(a branch of kgb, dedicated to keeping chess on the "soviet path")

after hard day of chess training, and walking home with fellow members, we were accosted on the street,..but thankfully ,the martial art training we all recieved at the camp,saved us..........we had to be constantly aware of potential clashes with rival groups


it was our ultra secret workings on the chess opening theory black arts,that saw us constantly under siege.

in my next post i will reveal one of these secrets....never yet published anywhere in the west!

Black wolf to keep chess on communist pass....cut the bull....;)

Axiom
10-07-2006, 11:52 PM
Black wolf to keep chess on communist pass....cut the bull....;)
MB it would appear that you have little knowledge of these times
i am sorry who are so willing to dismiss it outright
perhaps when i reveal whats in the newly opened files,you will have more faith

Desmond
11-07-2006, 09:26 AM
Axiom, I want to hear what you have to say.

Michael, be quiet and you may learn something.

Igor_Goldenberg
11-07-2006, 10:16 AM
MB it would appear that you have little knowledge of these times
i am sorry who are so willing to dismiss it outright
perhaps when i reveal whats in the newly opened files,you will have more faith

He might have little knowledge of these times, but I agree with his definiton (that the the story is full of you know what)

WhiteElephant
11-07-2006, 10:52 AM
Being Russian, I share Igor's and Michael's scepticism. I think Axiom has been watching too much Walker, Texas Ranger meets Steven Segal.in Siberia.

trappistnight
11-07-2006, 12:55 PM
These stories by my freind Axiom are true as i have herd them before.

Sunshine
11-07-2006, 01:01 PM
He might have little knowledge of these times, but I agree with his definiton (that the the story is full of you know what)

You guys should lighten up and either enjoy or ignore the storytelling.

Whether you believe it or not is up to you - but let the stories be told and let others enjoy them if that want to.

WhiteElephant
11-07-2006, 01:10 PM
Oh, they are very entertaining and have provided me with a good laugh. But why pass them off as truth if they are not? Anyway, I won't make any more comments and let others enjoy them.

Trappistnight, were you in Siberia with Axiom or have just heard the highlights form him?

Dozy
11-07-2006, 01:56 PM
You guys should lighten up and either enjoy or ignore the storytelling.

Whether you believe it or not is up to you - but let the stories be told and let others enjoy them if that want to.I'm with you, Sunshine.

I had a creative writing tutor who was fond of saying, "You are writers, you have a licence to tell lies." Not that I would ever embroider the truth myself, of course...

But the stories have been entertaining although I confess that in a less forgiving person they might beggar the belief, just a teensy bit.

But I loved White Elephant's "Walker Texas Ranger meets Steven Sea Gull in Siberia." Don't stop Mr Jumbo, you're adding to the enjoyment.

WhiteElephant
11-07-2006, 02:07 PM
Maybe we could have one of those forum stories where everyone posts an extra line to keep the story going. Where were we again....blue wolves, red cossacks, yellow knights.... :)

Alan Shore
11-07-2006, 02:11 PM
Next installment: Axiom reveals that 'Mikhail Baron' was actually once part of the Lab Gambit Rats and will do anything to silence the renegade siberian chess tiger by utilising his KGB connections. He elucidates it is vital that the secret possum variations not be revealed outside of Russia, as Garry Kasparov is in the middle of studying deep lines up to move 37 in order to make a comeback.

Sunshine
11-07-2006, 02:19 PM
But the stories have been entertaining although I confess that in a less forgiving person they might beggar the belief, just a teensy bit.


Never let the truth get in the way of a good story - let him go and encourage him.

Anyone here from the John Kellner Rockdale Police Boys Club of the 70s ?

Now the stories from there make the Krasnoyark Chess Camps look like a summer holiday.

Arrogant-One
11-07-2006, 02:27 PM
You guys should lighten up and either enjoy or ignore the storytelling.

Whether you believe it or not is up to you - but let the stories be told and let others enjoy them if that want to.
He's not telling stories Sunshine, these are first hand accounts of what really transpired!

But I agree with you regarding the doubters. They should avoid this thread instead of criticising a great chess giant like Axiom.

Axiom
11-07-2006, 05:03 PM
thankyou for the warm encouragement,i appreciate this, as it takes some courage to speak openly of these days....and to the doubters, i say to you,...keep an open mind, remember we are conditioned to recieve information in easily identifiable "packages",often missing that which does not conform to this conditioned response.

Belthasar,your post,reminds me of the trouble that could still exist, with old members of red knights or black wolves still circulating,the ones with long memories!....MB too young to have been involved...but i know of the type of discrediting of which you speak.(most of the groups do not exist today,as far as i know!)

ok, the time has come , to reveal SIBERIAN CHESS TIGER SECRET NO 1( Fresh from the training files ***/1956-3a12)

now before i post this,....it must be remembered that this still could be highly sensitive material, of which you will gain new powerful insight into the heart and soul of chess itself!......i need assurances from you, that no further publication of this material occurs,...once i receive sufficient assurance(hey i trust you guys!) i will proceed.


thankyou,
***-Axiom

four four two
11-07-2006, 11:02 PM
For those of you wanting to learn more about Krasnoyarsk,here is a link....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krasnoyarsk

Axiom
11-07-2006, 11:39 PM
For those of you wanting to learn more about Krasnoyarsk,here is a link....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krasnoyarsk thankyou for your interest 442,....our theme song was "all for one ,all for chess" which was a rousing old siberian folk tune, with inspirational lyrics....um..one line i remember was "one day we will know the taste of the black king in our mouths, our appetite is great, be it tooth or claw we are for evermore siberian tigers, hear the call of the tiger - all for one and chess for all"


ahh my beloved krasnoyarsk i love you still....

Axiom
11-07-2006, 11:48 PM
just to whet your appetite i will be talking about new concepts in chess like ....hyper space, and hyper time, potentiality index of pieces,new counter conventional doctrine insights, radical opening theory


you understand i need assurances,just posted, that acknowledges that this material cannot be republished ANYWHERE.....this is for our own safety ,and that of others.

thankyou ***-Axiom

Dozy
12-07-2006, 08:17 AM
Axiom, I'm supposed to be a dab hand with the shovel but you leave me in awe. :wow:

I am humbled. We are in the presence of a MASTER! :clap: :clap:

Basil
12-07-2006, 09:46 AM
just to whet your appetite i will be talking about new concepts in chess like ....hyper space, and hyper time, potentiality index of pieces,new counter conventional doctrine insights, radical opening theory.

You need to be able to handle The Possum, first! :)

Arrogant-One
12-07-2006, 04:58 PM
ok, the time has come , to reveal SIBERIAN CHESS TIGER SECRET NO 1( Fresh from the training files ***/1956-3a12)

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You mustn't reveal these secrets Axiom. I know many of them from my training with Master Krushnikov, but I fear what could happen if these secrets become common knowledge!

Surely you understand my reservations?

Axiom
12-07-2006, 11:26 PM
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You mustn't reveal these secrets Axiom. I know many of them from my training with Master Krushnikov, but I fear what could happen if these secrets become common knowledge!

Surely you understand my reservations? AO i respect your concerns, but i fully intend to reveal all the information, we can no longer live in fear, and besides krushnikov is a double agent, who is known to have led counter intelligence black psy ops during late 50s, ending with the infamous crackdown of 1960

i fled krasno in 1961 ,when life was untennable, to New York usa for 12 yrs(and yes, i do have inside info on fischer,..you will be astounded), then to australia in 1973

the reason why i no longer fear, is my terminal illness, my time is short i need to get this information out to my beloved chess community, before its lost for ever, i feel duty bound to follow in our great leaders's mantra, that "the truth will one day prevail"

i am currently checking with my remaining intelligence contacts from cia. mi5, mi6, asio, kgb , and other un specified sources, that revealing this information on this forum, will not have adverse consequences for either the site or its owners...once i get this go ahead , i will proceed.

i should advise you that upon release of this information, you will become the focus of world chess media,..for eg. chessbase will go beserk......i ask you to be prepared.....you are about to witness the unveiling of chess's equivalent of the dead sea scrolls...it will undoubtedly shake chess to its very core

stand-by

strap yourselves in we are close to entering a whole new chess paradigm ( with apologies to hd)

Igor_Goldenberg
13-07-2006, 09:26 AM
It becomes so intresting that I suggest to move it to non-chess section, maybe under topic of fiction literature of fantasy.

Sunshine
13-07-2006, 11:10 AM
Axiom - I am sorry to hear about your terrible illness.

But please share your story - the suspense is unbearable !

MichaelBaron
13-07-2006, 11:58 AM
AO i respect your concerns, but i fully intend to reveal all the information, we can no longer live in fear, and besides krushnikov is a double agent, who is known to have led counter intelligence black psy ops during late 50s, ending with the infamous crackdown of 1960

i fled krasno in 1961 ,when life was untennable, to New York usa for 12 yrs(and yes, i do have inside info on fischer,..you will be astounded), then to australia in 1973

the reason why i no longer fear, is my terminal illness, my time is short i need to get this information out to my beloved chess community, before its lost for ever, i feel duty bound to follow in our great leaders's mantra, that "the truth will one day prevail"

i am currently checking with my remaining intelligence contacts from cia. mi5, mi6, asio, kgb , and other un specified sources, that revealing this information on this forum, will not have adverse consequences for either the site or its owners...once i get this go ahead , i will proceed.

i should advise you that upon release of this information, you will become the focus of world chess media,..for eg. chessbase will go beserk......i ask you to be prepared.....you are about to witness the unveiling of chess's equivalent of the dead sea scrolls...it will undoubtedly shake chess to its very core

stand-by

strap yourselves in we are close to entering a whole new chess paradigm ( with apologies to hd)

Who is Krushnikov? I am very sure there was no such chess master in Russia :rolleyes:

Watto
13-07-2006, 12:05 PM
Who is Krushnikov? I am very sure there was no such chess master in Russia :rolleyes:
lol. He was AO's master trainer... and perhaps a bit too generous with the beer and nuts if Grandmaster Theatre (which I like) is anything to go by! ;)

Arrogant-One
13-07-2006, 04:21 PM
Who is Krushnikov?
Krushnikov was a Siberian Chess Tiger Master, and learned everything he knew about chess from his training with this elite group.

Yes, unfortunately what Axiom says is also true. He was lured by the love of money and women and succumbed to being bribed and ultimately betrayed the Siberian Chess Tiger Masters.

For many years he remained a double agent, but his heart always was that of a Siberian Chess Tiger Master - and that never changed.

The other Siberian Chess Tiger Masters never forgave Krushnikov though, and he lived the rest of his life in exile once his secret was discovered.

When the Soviet Union disbanded in 1991, he moved to Canada with his family and it was here when I first met my master in 92.

We trained together for 6 years in the ways of the Siberian Chess Tigers and almost everything he knew he passed onto me and his other pupil Sanjay (an Indian refugee who also fled to Canada in the late 80's).

One day Krushnikov was giving us a bold lesson, new ideas where flying everywhere. It was all too much for Sanjay who, at first, appeared to break down. I moved over to put a hand on his shoulder when all hell broke loose!

I am getting too emotional, I cannot continue right now.

Axiom
14-07-2006, 03:13 PM
Who is Krushnikov? I am very sure there was no such chess master in Russia :rolleyes:
i should tell the truth at this juncture.....michael is correct, there is no krushnikov, but i have heard of certain masters masquerading as *** ,..it is not surprising that chessplayers wish so hard to be part of that wonderfully chess-centric world, that they often really believe they were part of that era..either AO was coached by one such fantasist, or AO himself is employing the fantasy...i dont have a problem with peoples need to do this, but we have important work to do here, and need to remain focused.

Desmond
14-07-2006, 03:18 PM
...AO himself is employing the fantasy...
That's much more generous than how I would have described it.

Alan Shore
14-07-2006, 03:24 PM
That's much more generous than how I would have described it.

Really? I enjoyed it!

Anyway Axiom, more stories... what used to happen if one of the *** played the wrong opening move in a tournament game?

Arrogant-One
14-07-2006, 04:31 PM
That's much more generous than how I would have described it.
What fantasy? This is real life mate. I detect a hint of jealousy in your voice.

Out of curiosity, however, do you do any work for your employer because it seems you are on BB every afternoon. If I were your boss I would be concerned! :mad:

Axiom
14-07-2006, 04:31 PM
OK, the time has come

Firstly,the training recieved by ***,was second to none in history of chess.
We studied budhism,eastern mysticism,socrates,plato,euclid,martial arts, assertive behaviour,freud, jung,sun tsu,and more controversially- mind control. This all designed to fully prepare our mind, body and soul for the battle.

The battle was not just chess in those days, there was also the grand battle between soviet chess idealogy and an underground movement questioning the conservative doctrine.Siberian Chess Tigers led the way in seeing chess in this revolutionary way.

Gorkiananov's Dream

Our great coach Zev Gorkiananov was a completely driven obsessed man, his sole desire in life was to free chess from rigid doctrine,..he loathed the rules,the guides,the do's, the dont's. He wanted the "basics" in chess to be just that, like the paint and the canvas.He would say"know your paint,know your canvas,and then you will know chess". Chess was art, a portal to the human creative spirit,a wondrous beauty of free human expression.

Chess was prospering in the USSR, the soviet chess machine was churning out one finely tuned "robot" after the other.It was in the kremlin's interests to maintain the status quo, any dissenting voices were suppressed. Krasnoyarsk during the 50s was a pivotal time in chess history, a time that saw 2 powerful philosophies collided into a maelstrom of upheavel and renewal.

Zev believed in the use of psych active drugs to expand consciousness ,LSD,peyote,hashish,star dust,and other experimental drugs were employed.We had a special chess room called "The Burn"....it was a stunning golden room, with multi coloured lights,and giant chess boards on all 4 walls..we had to spend 5 sessions a week in there for 3 hours at a time.Listening to classical music,under influence of psychoactive drugs,with flashing coloured lights we had to stare at the 64 squares,"burning them into our sub conscious".Zev was convinced of the benefits of this,..im not so sure,but never mind.For those wanting to research more on mind control, i refer you to google - mk ultra, and tavistock institute. here you will learn more about this highly secret methodology.

Obviously this was a time well before computers , so all analysis was done "by hand" . Often the schools brightest were recruited, and 100 or more would sit in cubicles, like chickens in chicken house producing eggs! Masses of data was collected this way, the students were not paid, but recieved great kudos.There was great prestige to be linked to any chess study group, especially the notorious tigers! Gang members had no trouble with the ladies, if you know what i mean...the ladies would hang around like groupies, they were referred to as "The Tiger Molls"

It was during the middle of the siberian winter of 1954, that i made a startling discovery, . During the collation of all the masses of data from the analysis rooms, i was able to synthesise a discovery. this discovery of hyper space/time/material anfd piece potentiality index, i will discuss later. Zev saw my talent for reducing masses of data to single axiomatic principles, he dubbed me "Axiom"


..to be continued....

next reports, will include, -the other *** member in australia!
-chess deaths in krasno
-chess and the illuminati
-*** meet bobby fischer!
-hyper space,time and material
- PI =Potentiality Index , of pieces and position

Axiom
14-07-2006, 04:34 PM
Really? I enjoyed it!

Anyway Axiom, more stories... what used to happen if one of the *** played the wrong opening move in a tournament game?
that is a very interesting and remarkable qustion, as i plan to tell episode of chess deaths in krasno, stay tuned!

Alan Shore
14-07-2006, 04:40 PM
This thread delivers!

Desmond
14-07-2006, 04:52 PM
What fantasy? This is real life mate. I detect a hint of jealousy in your voice.
If you were paying attention, you would have noticed that I was not the one who called it fantasy.


Out of curiosity, however, do you do any work for your employer because it seems you are on BB every afternoon. If I were your boss I would be concerned! :mad:
People with more than two brain cells to rub together can generally do more than one thing at a time.

Sunshine
14-07-2006, 10:59 PM
Out of curiosity, however, do you do any work for your employer because it seems you are on BB every afternoon. If I were your boss I would be concerned! :mad:

The obvious question is - how do you notice it is every afternoon ?

Axiom is definitely deliverying something very speacial here.

It is a special privledge to hear about the life of a Siberian Chess Tiger.

Axiom
14-07-2006, 11:44 PM
The obvious question is - how do you notice it is every afternoon ?

Axiom is definitely deliverying something very speacial here.

It is a special privledge to hear about the life of a Siberian Chess Tiger. You are welcome, perhaps you will be able to continue my work when im gone.

Arrogant-One
15-07-2006, 12:45 PM
The obvious question is - how do you notice it is every afternoon ?

Axiom is definitely deliverying something very speacial here.

It is a special privledge to hear about the life of a Siberian Chess Tiger.
Obviously I am as enthralled by Axiom's adventure as yourself. My query was not directed at Master Axiom, rather it was directed at Pumpkin-Head (who has contributed nothing to Axiom's adventure).

Axiom
13-08-2006, 05:25 PM
Firstly,my apologies dear readers,for the stall in my correspondence.Suffice to say, there have been "certain forces" that have "persuaded" me to halt disseminating my knowledge of the secret *** files.It is with great regret that i have to break this bad news to you.Especially as i have recieved numerous PMs supporting and encouraging me to continue my work. I want to extend a warm thankyou to those kind wellwishers(you know who you are) You have my guarantee, that i will persist in overcoming current hurdles, to fulfill my promise to you,of delivering the goods.

and in the words of our old *** motto "May you taste the King, in your hungry mouth" (roughly translated)