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Basil
02-06-2006, 05:46 PM
OK, let's go. Certainly better respected than The Beloved Tromp!, but eyed with suspicion still in some quarters.

Ian Rogers has been known to wheel it out, although I am not sure how recently and I note that Mouthun Ly had a fine win with it in recent times.

It's as old as the hills and has stood the test of time at all levels, although is not often seen at the very highest.

Like the Tromp, proponents don't have to study reams of theory up to move 20. Its excellent for lazy learners. As David Flude suggested with the Tromp, one of the ways to deal with it is "stodge".

Garvinator
02-06-2006, 05:50 PM
Dug this out from Kevin Bonham back in March 2004.


Aaaah, but those are two entirely different openings. The Centre Counter (1.e4 d5) is a lame opening played by patzers who love getting their queens kicked around the board, but the Scandinavian (1.e4 d5) is a lively and vigorous defence with a sound theoretical basis. :P

Basil
02-06-2006, 05:56 PM
Dug this out from Kevin Bonham back in March 2004.
You're a muckraker, Gray - in fact come to think of it, so is Bonham. I appreciate his joke - I always refer to it as the Scandinavian.

2. ... Qxd5 is a thing, ergo Kevin's jab at Queen kicking, its certainly playable. I'm a 2 ... Nf6 guy, myself - every time.

road runner
02-06-2006, 06:11 PM
I see that you didn't need to be asked twice Howard. ;)

Basil
02-06-2006, 06:17 PM
I see that you didn't need to be asked twice Howard. ;)

No. I have already fessed that modesty is not my strongest suit. Impetuousness is a close second. I'm aware that with age, I am mellowing in those two respects and more.

The natural conclusion of course is, when when I was a younger man, WHAT WAS HE ON?

Kevin Bonham
02-06-2006, 06:22 PM
Garvin saved me from telling my little joke again. :P

Against 2...Nf6 I just play 3.Nc3 transposing to the 2.Nc3 line against Alekhine's. That gives me a complete answer against Alekhine's and an answer to a common Scandinavian line for the price of one.

After 2...Qxd5 I have often played 3.Nf3. The drawback to this is that there is a known drawing line against it, but the average club hack who wheels out ...d5 doesn't know the theory and trots out the same moves as against Nc3. Bzzt. Wrong.

Axiom
02-06-2006, 06:27 PM
1.e4 d5 2.f3 ! that normally stops the scandinavians in their tracks......the versatility of the possum!

Davidflude
03-06-2006, 12:47 AM
the lines with

1. e4 d5
2. exd Nf6 used to be great patzer crushing lines for black. Alas the white players have come up with lines that work. Read the article by Guy West.

Also I have seen a couple of recent correspondence games where a line given in several books as OK for black in the Jadoul Gambit is great for white.

Basil
03-06-2006, 01:04 AM
The only line that really gives me the chips is 3. d4

David, where can I find that article?

Phil Bourke
03-06-2006, 01:05 AM
Read the article by Guy West.
What article? Where can we read it?

Basil
03-06-2006, 07:17 PM
Against 2...Nf6 I just play 3.Nc3 transposing to the 2.Nc3 line against Alekhine's.

Kevin, how do you assess the posi at that stage. Approximnately equal surely? If you while can 'claim' a complete answer, surely it is black who can be satisfied by achieving close equality so early?

Kevin Bonham
03-06-2006, 07:38 PM
Kevin, how do you assess the posi at that stage. Approximnately equal surely? If you while can 'claim' a complete answer, surely it is black who can be satisfied by achieving close equality so early?

That depends on if black knows how to play the resulting position or not. Club-level opponents typically don't, and if White gets an edge, White tends to be able to play for a win from a position of absolute safety.

In club level play it is not that important whether an opening theoretically leads to an edge or a roughly even position. It is more important to be able to get positions you understand and are comfortable with.

Basil
03-06-2006, 07:46 PM
I'd agree with that. Both sides can be reasonably happy. I think white has the smidgiest advnatge. Black on the other hand, generally has white out of his 'pet' e4 positions - and all within momets of kick off.

All other things being equal of course. IE strength.

Arrogant-One
04-06-2006, 07:55 PM
1.e4 d5 2.f3 ! that normally stops the scandinavians in their tracks......the versatility of the possum!

Is that real openning Axiom? What titled players have played it?

Rincewind
04-06-2006, 09:02 PM
Is that real openning Axiom? What titled players have played it?

My database has a game with Reuben Fine playing it in 1931. Though he played the first two moves the other way around.

Arrogant-One
05-06-2006, 02:32 PM
My database has a game with Reuben Fine playing it in 1931. Though he played the first two moves the other way around.

In other words - no titled players have used it :)

Rincewind
05-06-2006, 05:02 PM
In other words - no titled players have used it :)

Given it was apparently in an intercolliegate match perhaps Dr Fine didn't have too much respect for his opponent. A better question may have been: Has it been played in a serious game between two GMs? The answer as far as I can tell is no, but maybe someone else has better info on that score.

tritty
05-06-2006, 05:23 PM
Come on guys, seriously you havent come across the forced win against 1... d5??

1.e4 d5?? 2.d4!! dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3! black resigns :D

road runner
05-06-2006, 05:44 PM
Never argue with an Idiot, I will bring you down to my level and beat you with experience

I like your signature :lol:

Axiom
05-06-2006, 09:48 PM
Given it was apparently in an intercolliegate match perhaps Dr Fine didn't have too much respect for his opponent. A better question may have been: Has it been played in a serious game between two GMs? The answer as far as I can tell is no, but maybe someone else has better info on that score.
there is no data on this opening 1 e4 d5 2 f3 , hence is a great surprise weapon.....no surprise r.fine played it,knowing his understanding of psychological elements.......i ask you to experiment with it, play g3, bg2 and counter bl on the g1-a7 diagonal by either be3,qd2 or nh3-f2, slowly build kside pressure...........1....d5 tries to unsettle white, 2f3 rebounds this............if anyone tries this i would be interested in reports

Rincewind
05-06-2006, 10:42 PM
no surprise r.fine played it,knowing his understanding of psychological elements

Reminds me of a funny story. Someone (I forget who) commenting on Fine's decision to give up chess for a career in psychology.

It was a great loss for chess and at best just a draw for psychology.

Kevin Bonham
05-06-2006, 10:53 PM
Come on guys, seriously you havent come across the forced win against 1... d5??

1.e4 d5?? 2.d4!! dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3! black resigns :D

2...e6! =/+ (see sig)

Axiom: I'm a sucker for challenges. I will play 2.f3 in a blitz tournament sometime and report back to this thread. :D

Carl Gorka
05-06-2006, 11:01 PM
I've been playing lines with b4.

eg. 1.e4 d5 2.ed5 Qd5 3.Nc3 Qa5 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Be2 Bf5 (5..c6!?) 6.b4!?

Got good results with it even though Scandinavian players must know these lines:D

Basil
05-06-2006, 11:11 PM
I've been playing lines with b4.

eg. 1.e4 d5 2.ed5 Qd5 3.Nc3 Qa5 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Be2 Bf5 (5..c6!?) 6.b4!?

Got good results with it even though Scandinavian players must know these lines:D

I don't like the 2... Qd5 much for black (qv), however b4 is a good response to Bf5. Not so sure against c6. Either way, black shouldn't be fiddling with either - needs to look at his k-side and dark squared bishop more quickly.

Carl Gorka
05-06-2006, 11:18 PM
I don't like the 2... Qd5 much for black (qv), however b4 is a good response to Bf5. Not so sure against c6. Either way, black shouldn't be fiddling with either - needs to look at his k-side and dark squared bishop more quickly.

b4 is bad against ..c6 as black still defends b7 so White doesn't gain anything from Rb1 in response to Qxb4.

I wouldn't play the Scandinavian myself but I've started to give it some respect recently....I used to think it was just rubbish

Axiom
05-06-2006, 11:25 PM
2...e6! =/+ (see sig)

Axiom: I'm a sucker for challenges. I will play 2.f3 in a blitz tournament sometime and report back to this thread. :D
cool kb, i would be happy to play 2f3 against your french too, if you want

Basil
06-06-2006, 12:12 AM
b4 is bad against ..c6 as black still defends b7 so White doesn't gain anything from Rb1 in response to Qxb4.

I wouldn't play the Scandinavian myself but I've started to give it some respect recently....I used to think it was just rubbish

I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing! Its well worn at GM level - not so much these days.

Just hope readers of this threead don't confuse the 'possum rubbish' being referred to as anything to do with the Scandinavian. The clarification earlier that it hasn't been seen at the top levels referred to 'The Possum'.

Carl Gorka
06-06-2006, 12:18 AM
I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing! Its well worn at GM level - not so much these days.

Just hope readers of this threead don't confuse the 'possum rubbish' being referred to as anything to do with the Scandinavian. The clarification earlier that it hasn't been seen at the top levels referred to 'The Possum'.

I was ignoring the possum bits. The Scandinavian is odd enough for a classical thinker like me:cool:

Lucena
06-06-2006, 12:19 AM
Come on guys, seriously you havent come across the forced win against 1... d5??

1.e4 d5?? 2.d4!! dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3! black resigns :D

Please Tristan, Fludy doesn't need encouraging!

tritty
06-06-2006, 02:30 PM
Lol gareth!! i have one u might like "fludy"
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4.Nxe5!! black doesnt resign this time, he flees the board in terror

tritty
06-06-2006, 02:33 PM
Oh, and seeing as that last post was randomly off topic, i should probably add my two cents worth about the scandinavian.

Thankfully no-one really plays the BDG any more, so I have been known to play 1... d5 as black, but generally play the Icelandic gambit. It is rather dangerous for white, especially if they try and keep the material.

In general, I prefer not to get my queen kicked around from move 3 so avoid 2... Qd5

Kevin Bonham
06-06-2006, 02:39 PM
Lol gareth!! i have one u might like "fludy"
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4.Nxe5!! black doesnt resign this time, he flees the board in terror

Hahaha. Four Knights Halloween Attack. Fundamentally unsound (even its champions agree with this) but trappy enough for blitz at least.

Melbourne (ex-Hobart) player Tom Lea has played this at least twice in rated games for a win and a draw. Anyone know of any other Australians to have done so?

Davidflude
06-06-2006, 04:22 PM
Hahaha. Four Knights Halloween Attack. Fundamentally unsound (even its champions agree with this) but trappy enough for blitz at least.

Melbourne (ex-Hobart) player Tom Lea has played this at least twice in rated games for a win and a draw. Anyone know of any other Australians to have done so?

It has been analysed in all sorts of places, notably in Kaissiber. If black does not know what to do he gets smashed. If he does know what to do then white grts to look really stupid.

Davidflude
06-06-2006, 04:43 PM
Oh, and seeing as that last post was randomly off topic, i should probably add my two cents worth about the scandinavian.

Thankfully no-one really plays the BDG any more, so I have been known to play 1... d5 as black, but generally play the Icelandic gambit. It is rather dangerous for white, especially if they try and keep the material.

In general, I prefer not to get my queen kicked around from move 3 so avoid 2... Qd5


Who says no-one plays the BDG. I still wheel it out against the Centre Counter when I want to really go for it. Also white should not allow the Icelandic.

He should play into the Jadoul gambit Look at the two recent correspondence
games that follow recommendations of the Poms

Basil
06-06-2006, 05:05 PM
but generally play the Icelandic gambit. It is rather dangerous for white, especially if they try and keep the material.

Damn straight - I think I have such a game worthy of publishing here ... other comp though.

Basil
07-06-2006, 12:51 AM
He should play into the Jadoul gambit Look at the two recent correspondence games that follow recommendations of the Poms

Thanks David - interesting. In those games:

First, Bb5 should be met with Bd7. Black's white squared bishop bites on nothing the entire game. Any suggestion that Black is wasting time with 3 bishop moves can be reasonably countered that white has played f3, Ne2 and wasted a third himself with Bb5.

Second, "the recommendations" of the poms? That's a tad broad isn't it? Do you mean to say some English 'experts' said it was good at one stage? I'm sure you're right - and would be interested to know who?

Cheers
HD

tritty
07-06-2006, 10:21 AM
Yes Kevin,

I do know of an australian player who has played it twice in the Australian Junior MAsters, with two wins from two games.... ME :D dont knock it til i knock you with it :P HALLOWEEN RULES!!!

Kevin Bonham
07-06-2006, 11:02 AM
dont knock it til i knock you with it :P

This won't happen. I don't play 1...e5. :P

Garvinator
07-06-2006, 11:55 AM
This won't happen. I don't play 1...e5. :P
see sig.

Kevin Bonham
08-06-2006, 01:45 AM
On 1.e4 d5 2.f3, chessbase has 125 games with it, but nearly all involve unrateds or very low rated players. The net score from these games is +20=14-91 (21.6%) but I'm guessing that reflects the opening being most commonly played by absolute rabbits rather than actual extreme unsoundness.

There is only one game given with both players rated 2000+:

"Munk,Petr" (2145) - "Rydl,Frantisek Jr" (2145)
1.f3 d5 2.e4 e6 3.exd5 exd5 4.d4 Nf6 5.Be3 Bd6 6.Nc3 0-0 7.Qd2 a5 8.Bd3 Re8 9.Kf1 Nbd7 10.Re1 c6 11.g4 Nf8 12.h4 h5 13.g5 N6d7 14.f4 1/2

Not very informative.

This game's quite interesting.

"Schumacher,Klaus" (1824) - "Grott,Peter" (2078), email
1.f3 d5 2.e4 e6 3.d4 dxe4 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 c5 7.Bf4 Qa5 8.Ne2 exf3 9.gxf3 Ne7 10.Qd2 Nbc6 11.Rg1 Nf5 12.Bh3 e5 13.Bxe5 Nxe5 14.dxe5 Nh4 15.Bg2 0-0 16.Qg5 Nxg2+ 17.Rxg2 g6 18.Qe7 b6 19.Qf6 Re8 20.Rd1 Qxa3 21.f4 Qa4 22.f5 Qxc2 23.e6 Bxe6 24.fxe6 Rxe6 25.Qf3 Rae8 26.Rf2 f5 27.Qd3 Qa4 28.Kf1 Re3 29.Qd5+ Kh8 30.Rd2 Qh4 31.Qd6 Qe4 32.Qf6+ Kg8 33.Kg1 Qe7 34.Qxe7 R8xe7 35.Kf1 Kf7 36.Rd1 Rb7 37.c4 a5 38.Rc1 Re4 39.Rf4 Rbe7 40.Rxe4 Rxe4 41.Rb1 Rxc4 42.Rxb6 Kg7 43.Ra6 a4 44.Ra7+ Kh6 45.Kf2 Kg5 46.Rxh7 Rh4 47.Rc7 Rxh2+ 48.Ke3 Rh3+ 49.Kd2 Rh8 50.Ra7 Rd8+ 51.Ke1 Kf6 52.Rxa4 Ke5 53.Ra6 Rd6 54.Ra8 Rc6 55.Rf8 Ke4 56.Kf2 c4 57.Re8+ Kd5 58.Nf4+ Kc5 59.Ke3 Rd6 1/2

And this is a what-not-to-do:

"Stross,Frantisek" (2246) - "Obrsal,J" (unr)
1.e4 d5 2.f3 dxe4 3.fxe4 Nc6 4.c3 Nf6 5.d3 e5 6.h3 Bc5 7.Nf3 0-0 8.b4 Bb6
9.b5 Na5 10.Nxe5 Nxe4 11.dxe4 Qh4+ 12.Kd2 Qf4+ 13.Ke1 Qf2+ 0-1

Axiom
08-06-2006, 02:28 AM
On 1.e4 d5 2.f3, chessbase has 125 games with it, but nearly all involve unrateds or very low rated players. The net score from these games is +20=14-91 (21.6%) but I'm guessing that reflects the opening being most commonly played by absolute rabbits rather than actual extreme unsoundness.

There is only one game given with both players rated 2000+:

"Munk,Petr" (2145) - "Rydl,Frantisek Jr" (2145)
1.f3 d5 2.e4 e6 3.exd5 exd5 4.d4 Nf6 5.Be3 Bd6 6.Nc3 0-0 7.Qd2 a5 8.Bd3 Re8 9.Kf1 Nbd7 10.Re1 c6 11.g4 Nf8 12.h4 h5 13.g5 N6d7 14.f4 1/2

Not very informative.

This game's quite interesting.

"Schumacher,Klaus" (1824) - "Grott,Peter" (2078), email
1.f3 d5 2.e4 e6 3.d4 dxe4 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 c5 7.Bf4 Qa5 8.Ne2 exf3 9.gxf3 Ne7 10.Qd2 Nbc6 11.Rg1 Nf5 12.Bh3 e5 13.Bxe5 Nxe5 14.dxe5 Nh4 15.Bg2 0-0 16.Qg5 Nxg2+ 17.Rxg2 g6 18.Qe7 b6 19.Qf6 Re8 20.Rd1 Qxa3 21.f4 Qa4 22.f5 Qxc2 23.e6 Bxe6 24.fxe6 Rxe6 25.Qf3 Rae8 26.Rf2 f5 27.Qd3 Qa4 28.Kf1 Re3 29.Qd5+ Kh8 30.Rd2 Qh4 31.Qd6 Qe4 32.Qf6+ Kg8 33.Kg1 Qe7 34.Qxe7 R8xe7 35.Kf1 Kf7 36.Rd1 Rb7 37.c4 a5 38.Rc1 Re4 39.Rf4 Rbe7 40.Rxe4 Rxe4 41.Rb1 Rxc4 42.Rxb6 Kg7 43.Ra6 a4 44.Ra7+ Kh6 45.Kf2 Kg5 46.Rxh7 Rh4 47.Rc7 Rxh2+ 48.Ke3 Rh3+ 49.Kd2 Rh8 50.Ra7 Rd8+ 51.Ke1 Kf6 52.Rxa4 Ke5 53.Ra6 Rd6 54.Ra8 Rc6 55.Rf8 Ke4 56.Kf2 c4 57.Re8+ Kd5 58.Nf4+ Kc5 59.Ke3 Rd6 1/2

And this is a what-not-to-do:

"Stross,Frantisek" (2246) - "Obrsal,J" (unr)
1.e4 d5 2.f3 dxe4 3.fxe4 Nc6 4.c3 Nf6 5.d3 e5 6.h3 Bc5 7.Nf3 0-0 8.b4 Bb6
9.b5 Na5 10.Nxe5 Nxe4 11.dxe4 Qh4+ 12.Kd2 Qf4+ 13.Ke1 Qf2+ 0-1
thankyou very much kb, ive searched in vain for games in that line, it makes me wonder if it has potential as surprise weapon

Rincewind
08-06-2006, 09:08 AM
There are a few more but I don't know how interesting they are...

I have the following bizarre little draw which must have been arranged or else both players were drunk. Perhaps it was actually a bridge hand which was accidentally loaded as a chess game...

Keitlinghaus, Ludger (2515) -- Tibensky, Robert (2445)
Lazne Bohdanec CZE (6)
1997 1/2-1/2 B01

1.e4 d5 2.f3 b5 3.Kf2 Nh6 4.Qe1 e5 5.Ke2 Qe7 6.Kf2 Bd7 7.Bxb5 Qe6 8.Ba6 Qxa6 9.Na3 Qe6 10.h4 f6 11.g3 1/2-1/2


I don't know if this is historically accurate but my database also has the following miniature from a simul...

Finn Paulsen -- Nimzowitsch, Aron I
sim. 25 sim. Vordingborg /25
1924 0-1 B01

1.e4 d5 2.f3 e6 3.d4 c5 4.Ne2 Nc6 5.Be3 Nf6 6.dxc5 Bd7 7.Nbc3 dxe4 8.fxe4 Ng4 9.Bd4 Nce5 10.h3 Qh4+ 11.g3 Nf3# 0-1

And of course there is this Fine game...

Fine, Reuben -- Rappaport, J
Intercollegiate ch
1931 1-0 A00

1.f3 d5 2.e4 e5 3.Nc3 c6 4.d4 dxe4 5.dxe5 Qxd1+ 6.Nxd1 exf3 7.gxf3 Be6 8.Bh3 Bd5 9.Ne3 Bc5 10.c4 Bxe3 11.cxd5 Bxc1 12.Rxc1 Nd7 13.f4 cxd5 14.Rc7 Nb6 15.Rxb7 Ne7 16.Ne2 Nc6 17.Rg1 g6 18.Kf2 Ne7 19.Rc1 Nc4 20.b3 Na5 21.Rxe7+ Kxe7 22.Rc5 Nxb3 23.axb3 a5 24.Rc7+ Ke8 25.Nc3 Rb8 26.Nxd5 Kf8 27.e6 f5 28.Nf6 1-0

Finally has this game from the 1992 ACT juniors been mentioned?

Tom Green -- Reeves, Tristan
Australian Capital Territory J
1992 0-1 B01

1.e4 d5 2.f3 e5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.exd5 c6 5.Bc4 cxd5 6.Bb5+ Bd7 7.Bxd7+ Qxd7 8.d4 exd4 9.Qxd4 Nc6 10.Qe3+ Be7 11.Nge2 O-O 12.O-O d4 13.Nxd4 Qxd4 14.Qxd4 Nxd4 15.Be3 Nxc2 16.Rac1 Nxe3 17.Rfe1 Bc5 18.Kh1 Rac8 19.Nb5 Bb6 20.h3 Nh5 21.Rxc8 Rxc8 22.Kh2 Rc2 23.Rg1 Rxb2 24.Nc3 Bc7+ 25.Kh1 Ng3+ 26.Kh2 Ne4+ 27.Kh1 Nf2# 0-1

pballard
08-06-2006, 10:13 AM
Andrew Saint (as black) surprised me on Tuesday night with 1 e4 d5 2 ed5 Nf6 3 d4 Bg4. I'd never seen it before, stumbled into a bad position and eventually lost. If only I'd spent more time reading this thread and less time working :)

Davidflude
08-06-2006, 12:02 PM
Thanks David - interesting. In those games:


Second, "the recommendations" of the poms? That's a tad broad isn't it? Do you mean to say some English 'experts' said it was good at one stage? I'm sure you're right - and would be interested to know who?

Cheers
HD

"The Scandinavian" John Emms

Video :Centre Counter Carnage" Andrew Martin

Trent Parker
09-06-2006, 01:01 PM
Shelved the Portugese Scandinavian for now but i do bring it out now and again.

I have won some good games with the Portugese including a win over Angela Song when she was rated mid to high 1700's. I think i posted it here somewhere. Wish the PGN viewer worked.... :(

As for 1.e4 d5 2.ed Nf6 3.Nc3 then Nxd5, if Nxd5 Qxd5 and whites queen is ok in the centre. if something like Bc4 then Nxc3 makes the game interesting but ok for black IMHO.

One of my favorite variations is 1.e4 d5 2.ed Nf6 3.d4 Bg4 4.f3 Bf5 5.c4 e6 6.de Nc6! Now if 7.exf7+ Kxf7 black gets two more developing tempi in Bb4 sometimes checking and Re8. With sacrifices to try and mate.

For all those who love BDG there is a thread on that here that i started somewhere.

In the Mt buller minor i remembered that one Matthew sweeney played the scandinavian against 1.e4 and the benoni against 1.d4. Not wanting to go into a benoni when i was in a BDG craze for the first time in a long time i played 1.e4 to get a bdg. He declined the gambit and a long hard fought game followed. MS eventually lost the advantage of a couple of pawns he had and i ground out a win in a probable drawn position.

Here is the BDG corner:
BDG corner (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=1943)

Basil
09-06-2006, 01:52 PM
One of my favorite variations is 1.e4 d5 2.ed Nf6 3.d4 Bg4 4.f3 Bf5 5.c4 e6 6.de Nc6! Now if 7.exf7+ Kxf7 black gets two more developing tempi in Bb4 sometimes checking and Re8. With sacrifices to try and mate.

It is a great line. I can't get anyone to play 7. exf7 except patzers.

Kevin Bonham
09-06-2006, 02:10 PM
I see from my past games that I have allowed the Portuguese sometimes but have just "declined" it with 4.Be2. Again the resulting position may be = according to theory but it is one I'm rather comfortable with.

Kevin Bonham
10-06-2006, 09:48 PM
I will play 2.f3 in a blitz tournament sometime and report back to this thread. :D

Well I didn't have to wait long as I was quite surprised (in the Tassie Lightning Champs tonight) that when I played 1.e4 Thomas Hendrey (state U18 champ) responded ...d5. (I thought he was more an ...e5 or ...e6 player). Out came 2.f3 and after ...dxe4 3.fxe4 White had lots of fun down the half-open f-file and Black's position soon looked shabbier than a rubbish bin upended by a rabid brushtail. The Possum has triumphed!

Axiom
10-06-2006, 10:30 PM
Well I didn't have to wait long as I was quite surprised (in the Tassie Lightning Champs tonight) that when I played 1.e4 Thomas Hendrey (state U18 champ) responded ...d5. (I thought he was more an ...e5 or ...e6 player). Out came 2.f3 and after ...dxe4 3.fxe4 White had lots of fun down the half-open f-file and Black's position soon looked shabbier than a rubbish bin upended by a rabid brushtail. The Possum has triumphed! THE POSSUM!!!!! ....I am ecstactic over this news, and anxiously wait further reports ...i will post my best possum games v 1.c5,1,e5,1.d5,1.e6

Basil
11-06-2006, 03:02 AM
I have grave suspicions that the best way to handle the Possum is to not play dxe4. I'd be leaving that idiot on f3 every day. If white wishes either to move his bits around f3 or move f3 to f4 - well he can get on with :)

road runner
11-06-2006, 08:43 AM
I have grave suspicions that the best way to handle the Possum is to not play dxe4. I'd be leaving that idiot on f3 every day. If white wishes either to move his bits around f3 or move f3 to f4 - well he can get on with :)

I agree. Can't see any GMs likely to start wielding the possum when black seems to equalize after move 2.

Basil
27-08-2006, 10:58 PM
the lines with

1. e4 d5
2. exd Nf6 used to be great patzer crushing lines for black. Alas the white players have come up with lines that work. Read the article by Guy West.

Quick! Get word to David Smerdon ... doh ... too late! He's playing in the BDO Tournament. And this only weeks after Rogers rolled out the Tromp!

hitman84
28-08-2006, 08:53 PM
[Event "Corus Wijk aan Zee"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee NED"]
[Date "2006.01.27"]
[EventDate "2006.01.14"]
[Round "11"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[White "V Anand"]
[Black "S Tiviakov"]
[ECO "B01"]
[WhiteElo "2792"]
[BlackElo "2669"]
[PlyCount "100"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd6 4. d4 Nf6 5. Nf3 c6 6. Ne5 Nbd7 7. Bf4 Nd5 8. Nxd5 Qxd5 9. Be2 Nxe5 10. Bxe5 Qxg2 11. Bf3 Qg6 12. d5 Bg4 13. dxc6 bxc6 14. Qe2 Bxf3 15. Qxf3 Rd8 16. Rd1 Qe6 17. O-O Rxd1 18. Rxd1 h5 19. Qd3 Qc8 20. h4 Rh6 21. Kh2 Rg6 22. Bg3 Rg4 23. a3 a6 24. Re1 c5 25. c3 Rg6 26. Re5 e6 27. Rxh5 Rh6 28. Rxh6 gxh6 29. Qf3 c4 30. Bf4 Qc5 31. Qa8+ Ke7 32. Kg1 Qf5 33. Bg3 Qb1+ 34. Kh2 Qxb2 35. Qxa6 Kf6 36. Qxc4 Qxa3 37. Qd4+ Ke7 38. c4 Ke8 39. Qb6 Qc5 40. Qxc5 Bxc5 41. h5 Bd4 42. Kg2 Kd7 43. Bf4 Bg7 44. Be3 Kd6 45. Kf1 e5 46. Ke2 f5 47. f3 Kc6 48. Kd3 Bf8 49. Bc1 Bg7 50. Ba3 Bf6
1/2-1/2

Its very difficult to refute the scandinavian but black has to fight hard for equality.

Anand employed the Scandinavian against Kasparov in the world championship match and got busted.

[Event "Ch World (match) (PCA)"]
[Site "New York (USA)"]
[Date "1995.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "14"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Kasparov Gary (RUS)"]
[Black "Anand Viswanathan (IND)"]
[ECO "B01"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "82"]

1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qa5 4.d4 Nf6
5.Nf3 c6 6.Ne5 Be6 7.Bd3 Nbd7 8.f4 g6
9.O-O Bg7 10.Kh1 Bf5 11.Bc4 e6 12.Be2 h5
13.Be3 Rd8 14.Bg1 O-O 15.Bf3 Nd5 16.Nxd5 exd5
17.Bf2 Qc7 18.Rc1 f6 19.Nd3 Rfe8 20.b3 Nb6
21.a4 Nc8 22.c4 Qf7 23.a5 Bf8 24.cxd5 cxd5
25.Bh4 Nd6 26.a6 b6 27.Ne5 Qe6 28.g4 hxg4
29.Nxg4 Bg7 30.Rc7 Ne4 31.Ne3 Bh3 32.Rg1 g5
33.Bg4 Bxg4 34.Qxg4 Qxg4 35.Rxg4 Nd6 36.Bf2 Nb5
37.Rb7 Re4 38.f5 Rxg4 39.Nxg4 Rc8 40.Rd7 Rc2
41.Rxd5 1-0


with the advent of strong engines the Scandinavian along with many other openings are being tried out at the top level.

Basil
17-09-2006, 12:05 AM
[Event "QLD Open"]
[Date "2002.07.21"]
[Round "2"]
[White "John Guest"]
[Black "Howard"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "1613"]
[BlackElo "1452"]
[ECO "B01"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. dxe6 Bxe6 5. d4 Bb4+ 6. Nc3 Qe7 7. Be3 Nc6!!
8. d5 O-O-O 9. Qa4 Bxd5 10. cxd5 Nxd5 11. Ne2 Nxe3 12. fxe3 Rhe8 13. Rd1 Qxe3
14. Rxd8+ Rxd8 15. Qc2 Ne5 16. a3 Nd3+! 17. Qxd3 Rxd3 18. axb4 Qd2+ 19. Kf2
Qxb2 20. g3 Rxc3 21. Bg2 Rc2 22. Bf3 Qxb4 23. Rd1 a6 24. Bg2 Qb2 0-1

A known but very pleasant Scandinavian theme involving a naughty piece gobble while behind in development.