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JonasMuller
20-04-2006, 11:54 AM
Does anyone know any interesting chess openings because i'd really like to know about them?

four four two
20-04-2006, 12:19 PM
By interesting I presume you mean unusual but sound?:hmm:

JonasMuller
20-04-2006, 12:24 PM
not really, openings like the Grob

Igor_Goldenberg
20-04-2006, 01:30 PM
1.a3

Jesse Jager
20-04-2006, 01:33 PM
1.Nh3

JonasMuller
20-04-2006, 01:43 PM
1.g4

JonasMuller
20-04-2006, 01:44 PM
g4 is only good in very fast games and can be a real suprise if someone has never seen this before

Igor_Goldenberg
20-04-2006, 01:48 PM
g4 is only good in very fast games and can be a real suprise if someone has never seen this before

I played it in a friendly blitz against Kontorovich (many years ago). First game was won easily, but he beat me every other time I tried it after that.

JonasMuller
20-04-2006, 01:52 PM
this following game was a game i had played a little after i started playing chess, it was in a lightning game and i played the grob. This game shows that if the opponent is not so sure about the opening he may get into some troube. 1.g4 d5 2.Bg2 Bxg4 3.c4 c6 4.Qb3 b6 5.cxd5 cxd5 6.Bxd5 Nd7 7.Bxf7#

JonasMuller
20-04-2006, 01:53 PM
yes it's true if they know how to play against it it really is no good

Altecman
28-04-2006, 09:35 PM
Hey, hows it going. Some games players seem to play wierd openings against me like for example the Grob...i thought i would start a thread to discuss most of these strange lines. Becuase i think most of us who play chess have been spooked by sometime very aggresive (but usally not very good) openings like the Latvian Gambit or something.
I think if we can come up with some good lines it would be helpful to Chesschat members when they come against something like this is their games. Anyways thats what i thought i would do...

By the way i want to know if someone knows if the Philidor Counter gambit has been refuted. (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 f5?!) if someone does know if it has could they tell me the line


Cool, i hope we can discuss these openings.

Thanx
Alecman

Kevin Bonham
28-04-2006, 10:33 PM
Merged this thread with "Interesting chess openings" but kept Altecman's title as it was a better description of the content.

I don't know if I've ever had the Grob played against me even in a casual game. I have had that Philidors Gambit line 3...f5 played against me once. NCO gives the following lines against it:

4.Nc3 Nf6 (4...fxe4 5.Nxe4 d5 6.Ng3 e4 7.Ne5 Nf6 8.f3 +/-) 5.dxe5 Nxe4 6.Nxe4 (6.Bc4!? Nxc3 7.bxc3 +/-) 6...fxe4 7.Ng5 d5 8.e6 Bc5 9.Nxe4 Be7 10.Qh5+ g6 11.Qe5 Rf8 12.Ng5 Bf6 13.e7! +/-

(I played 6.Bc4 and my opponent responded 6...a6 which is obviously rubbish and lost.)

There are not that many games with these lines and between players of any great strength to serve as tests of these assessments. Overall after 4.Nc3 in games with both sides rated over 2000 White scores +18=12-11 according to chessbase which suggests the line is not that awful for Black, but a lot of that could be down to poor followup by either side as few players would be that well prepared for the line. NCO certainly seems to think the line is quite unsound.

Altecman
30-04-2006, 05:41 PM
hmm, i have a looked up the lines reccomended by the Anand books written by Alexander Khalifman for the philidor counter gambit, so those lines should be good enouth i guess lol.

Chessbase can help as well, thx for helping me with the Philidor CG

thanx
Altecman

PHAT
30-04-2006, 06:30 PM
1. b4!?!?

It upsets no end, ~90% of black's opening replies. It is almost like playing a Fischer Random.

Trent Parker
01-05-2006, 12:53 AM
1.b4 is rubbish. I play semislav against it then push e5. Last coupla time i have come accross 1.b4 I crush it! I crush it like a bug! :D

PHAT
01-05-2006, 02:18 PM
1.b4 is rubbish. I play semislav against it then push e5. Last coupla time i have come accross 1.b4 I crush it! I crush it like a bug! :D:naughty: :hand: :snooty:

MichaelBaron
01-05-2006, 03:30 PM
1.b4 is a move like any other...
even 1.a3 should be sufficient for white to equalise :evil:
1.g4?!- :eek: I do not really undestand the idea behind this move.

1.Nh3? - I got some sad memories losing as black to an 1800 rated player in a tournament rapid game.

Overall, any opening is suitable at our level of play.

I have tried 1.d4 b5!? several times as black with mixed results:lol:

Igor_Goldenberg
01-05-2006, 03:51 PM
V.Kortchnoi - A.Karpov, USSR 1973

1.Nf3 Nf6
2.g3 b5

0-1

PHAT
01-05-2006, 04:01 PM
Overall, any opening is suitable at our level of play.

I think you are brusing a few egos with this statement.:lol: I fully agree with you, and would add that as long as you know the continuation of an opening one move deeper than your opponent. You can get away with any opening.

Altecman
01-05-2006, 04:34 PM
1.b4 is rubbish. I play semislav against it then push e5. Last coupla time i have come accross 1.b4 I crush it! I crush it like a bug! :D

lol, but some Juniors have played 1.b4 well, as i recall my friend Matthew Potter player 1.b4 against gareth Charles and smashed him with it in Ballarat

Rincewind
01-05-2006, 04:40 PM
What I can't understand is the off-beat opening 1.e4. I mean what's with that? Just seems to commit White prematurely. Can White expect to equalise after 1.e4?? ;)

Igor_Goldenberg
01-05-2006, 05:08 PM
What I can't understand is the off-beat opening 1.e4. I mean what's with that? Just seems to commit White prematurely. Can White expect to equalise after 1.e4?? ;)

With carefull play, yes

WhiteElephant
01-05-2006, 06:00 PM
What I can't understand is the off-beat opening 1.e4. I mean what's with that? Just seems to commit White prematurely. Can White expect to equalise after 1.e4?? ;)

1.e4 is no good as it opens up your King to attack.

Lucena
01-05-2006, 08:39 PM
lol, but some Juniors have played 1.b4 well, as i recall my friend Matthew Potter player 1.b4 against gareth Charles and smashed him with it in Ballarat

Hehe, I was thinking about mentioning it myself, I can only recall playing against 1. b4 twice in serious tournament chess and both times I got completely outplayed:doh:.

Garvinator
01-05-2006, 09:03 PM
What I can't understand is the off-beat opening 1.e4. I mean what's with that? Just seems to commit White prematurely. Can White expect to equalise after 1.e4?? ;)
well a poster on here claims that replying e6 to e4 leads to a small advantage:cool:

ElevatorEscapee
01-05-2006, 10:45 PM
well a poster on here claims that replying e6 to e4 leads to a small advantage:cool:
Maybe he should be more ambitious... ;)

Phil Bourke
03-05-2006, 11:59 PM
How about 1 e4 c5 2 Na3!? Here is a game to suggest it is better than it sounds ;)
http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/files/zvjag_ponomariov.htm

four four two
04-05-2006, 10:18 AM
That line is going to be played to death in chess clubs over the world in the next few months,although at club level I would say black will get there fair share of wins.;)

PHAT
04-05-2006, 11:07 AM
Has anyone ever played against 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Ng8

Igor_Goldenberg
04-05-2006, 12:09 PM
Has anyone ever played against 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Ng8

I haven't, but it's a well known (though not by me:D) theory. Lookup any chess database, I'd be surprised if there aren't few games with 2...Ng8.

Nimzowitz sicilian (1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6) intended 3...Ng8 as the response to 3.e5

Having said that, I must admit that 2...Ng8 does not seem very credible (even though still playable) move to me.

Jesse Jager
04-05-2006, 01:26 PM
I though Nd5 was the intended response to e5 in the Nimzo-Sicillian

Igor_Goldenberg
04-05-2006, 02:57 PM
I though Nd5 was the intended response to e5 in the Nimzo-Sicillian

That's the main continuation. However, Nimzowitz himself had an idea of 3...Ng8.

Neither is popular nowdays

MichaelBaron
05-05-2006, 03:11 PM
Has anyone ever played against 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Ng8

I can recall Chris Depasquale playing 2...Ng8 against Solomon in Australian Masters some years ago

Rincewind
05-05-2006, 03:20 PM
I guess is some openings there are things which look strange but are not as bad as they look. An example is the Beyer variation of the Spanish where Black does a similar thing with his Queen's knight. I'm not so familiar with Spanish theory but I believe the line has a good reputation.

Igor_Goldenberg
05-05-2006, 04:46 PM
I guess is some openings there are things which look strange but are not as bad as they look. An example is the Beyer variation of the Spanish where Black does a similar thing with his Queen's knight. I'm not so familiar with Spanish theory but I believe the line has a good reputation.

Well, it does not happen at the second move!

Igor_Goldenberg
05-05-2006, 04:47 PM
I can recall Chris Depasquale playing 2...Ng8 against Solomon in Australian Masters some years ago

What was the result? Is this game available somewhere?

Rincewind
05-05-2006, 05:03 PM
Well, it does not happen at the second move!

No, not at the second move just an visually similar idea.

Kevin Bonham
05-05-2006, 06:39 PM
I have tried 1.d4 b5!? several times as black with mixed results:lol:

I did some research on this a while ago but ended up considering it too unsound. I even found a quite strong positional line for white with (of all things) an early Bg5, but can't recall it now. However in the process I inadvertently caused another player to take it up. A strong player should still beat a much weaker player with it.

The line mentioned by Igor with 2...b5, however, is thoroughly reputable and even rates two whole lines in NCO.


How about 1 e4 c5 2 Na3!?

I'm considering dishing this out in blitz tournaments. :eek:


What was the result? Is this game available somewhere?

These are Chris's four games with 2...Ng8 from chessbase:

[Event "Sydney"]
[Site "Sydney"]
[Date "1989.??.??"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Solomon,Stephen J"]
[Black "Depasquale,Chris"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "B02"]
1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Ng8 3.d4 d5 4.c4 c5 5.Nc3 e6 6.cxd5 exd5 7.Nf3 Nc6 8.Be2 cxd4 9.Nb5 Bc5 10.0-0 Nge7 11.Bg5 h6 12.Bf4 0-0 13.Rc1 Bb6 14.Nbxd4 Ng6 15.Bg3 Nxd4 16.Nxd4 Qe7 17.Qd2 Nxe5 18.Rfe1 Qf6 19.Nf3 Nxf3+ 20.Bxf3 Be6 21.Be5 Qg5 22.Bf4 Qf6 23.Qb4 Rfc8 24.Be5 Qg5 25.Bf4 Qh4 26.g3 Qf6 27.Bg2 g5 28.Be3 d4 29.Bd2 d3 30.Rf1 Rxc1 31.Bxc1 Rc8 32.Be3 Bxe3 33.fxe3 Qe5 34.Qd2 Bf5 35.Qf2 Bg6 36.e4 Rc2 37.Qe3 Qxb2 38.Bf3 d2 39.Qxa7 Rc1 40.Qa4 Qb1 41.Rd1 Rxd1+ 42.Qxd1 Bxe4 43.Qxb1 Bxf3 0-1

[Event "Adelaide op"]
[Site "Adelaide"]
[Date "1990.12.??"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Norris,Damian C"]
[Black "Depasquale,Chris"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "B02"]
1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Ng8 3.d4 d5 4.c3 c5 5.dxc5 e6 6.Be3 Qc7 7.f4 Bxc5 8.Bxc5 Qxc5 9.Bd3 Ne7 10.Na3 Nbc6 11.Nc2 g5 12.Nf3 gxf4 13.Qd2 Ng6 14.Bxg6 fxg6 15.Qxf4 Bd7 16.Qg5 Qe7 17.Qe3 0-0 18.0-0-0 b5 19.h4 b4 20.h5 Be8 21.Ncd4 Nxd4 22.cxd4 gxh5 23.Qg5+ Qxg5+ 24.Nxg5 Rc8+ 25.Kb1 Rc6 26.Rc1 Bg6+ 27.Ka1 Rfc8 28.Rc5 Bf5 29.Rhc1 Rxc5 30.Rxc5 Rxc5 31.dxc5 Kf8 32.b3 Ke7 33.a3 a5 34.Nf3 Be4 35.Nd4 Bxg2 36.axb4 axb4 37.Nc6+ Kd7 38.Nxb4 h4 39.Nc2 h3 0-1

[Event "Dubai Asian Cities"]
[Site "Dubai"]
[Date "1992.??.??"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Hasan,Younus"]
[Black "Depasquale,Chris"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "B02"]
1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Ng8 3.Nf3 d5 4.exd6 exd6 5.d4 Bg4 6.Be2 Nc6 7.0-0 Qd7 8.d5 Bxf3 9.Bxf3 Ne5 10.Be2 Be7 11.Nd2 Nf6 12.Nf3 0-0 13.c4 Rfe8 14.Nd4 a6 15.Qc2 c6 16.dxc6 bxc6 17.Nf5 d5 18.Nxe7+ Qxe7 19.cxd5 cxd5 20.Bg5 h6 21.Bxf6 Qxf6 22.Rad1 Rad8 23.Qa4 Re6 24.Qd4 Qe7 25.Bd3 Nxd3 26.Rxd3 Re4 27.Qb6 Rd6 28.Qc5 Qe6 29.Re3 Rc6 30.Qa7 d4 31.Qa8+ Kh7 32.Rf3 Re1 33.g3 Rcc1 0-1

[Event "Victorian-ch"]
[Site "Australia"]
[Date "1995.??.??"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Hamilton,Douglas Gibson"]
[Black "Depasquale,Chris"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "B02"]
1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Ng8 3.d4 d5 4.Nf3 Bg4 5.h3 Bh5 6.c4 e6 7.cxd5 Qxd5 8.Nc3 Bb4 9.Be2 Ne7 10.0-0 Qd7 11.Qb3 Nbc6 12.Rd1 Bxc3 13.bxc3 0-0 14.Qxb7 Rfb8 15.Qa6 Nd5 16.Qd3 Na5 17.c4 Nb6 18.Qc3 Qa4 19.d5 Naxc4 20.g4 Bg6 21.dxe6 fxe6 22.Rd4 Rf8 23.Nd2 Qa5 24.Rxc4 Nxc4 25.Qxc4 Qxe5 26.Nb3 Rf7 27.Be3 Raf8 28.Rd1 Be4 29.Bc5 Bd5 30.Qc2 Rf3 31.Rxd5 exd5 32.Bxf3 Rxf3 33.Bd4 Qe1+ 34.Kg2 Rf7 35.Be3 h5 36.Qc6 Qd1 37.Qe8+ Rf8 38.Qe6+ Rf7 39.Nd4 hxg4 40.hxg4 Qd3 41.Qxd5 c5 42.Qxc5 Qe4+ 43.Kg3 Qh1 44.Nf5 Qg1+ 45.Kh4 Qh2+ 46.Kg5 Kh7 47.Bd4 1-0

(I discussed 2...Ng8 somewhere on one of these forums but cannot find it now.)

paulo101977
10-07-2020, 01:56 AM
Does anyone know any interesting chess openings because i'd really like to know about them?

Against 1.e4 I'm playing ...d6, Defense Pirc. Or ...g7, Modern Defense. I am studying some courses on the Udemy teaching platform on these topics.

1Nf3
10-09-2021, 01:49 PM
A thread after Michael Basman's heart.

I have a copy of his book 'Play The St George' and I quote from it :

"The St George Opening begins with the moves 1e4 e6 2 d4 a6 3 Nf3 b5 or alternatively 1e4 e6 2 d4 b5. I prefer to play it the first way for aesthetic reasons."

Gotta love a guy so prepared to take the pi55.