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Spiny Norman
09-01-2006, 10:30 AM
Just wondering what the approximate "norm" requirements are in this year's championship for those wanting to achieve either the GM, IM or FM titles? As at R10 the website shows the following standings:

1 IM Smerdon, David VIC 2421 2405 8
2 GM Rogers, Ian NSW 2556 2631 8
3 GM Chandler, Murray ENG 2537 2 7.5
4 GM Schmaltz, Roland GER 2544 2530 6.5
5 GM Ftacnik, Lubomir SVK 2612 2690 6
6 IM Lane, Gary NSW 2445 2484 6
7 Song, Raymond NSW 2051 2073 6
8 IM Wohl, Alex NSW 2439 2538 5.5
9 IM Solomon, Stephen QLD 2415 2391 5.5
10 FM Xie, George NSW 2340 2324 5.5
11 Smirnov, Vladimir NSW 2235 2237 5.5
12 FM Goldenberg, Igor VIC 2335 2315 5.5
13 GM Johansen, Darryl VIC 2462 2453 5
14 IM Zhao, Zong-Yuan NSW 2461 2475 5
15 FM Bjelobrk, Igor VIC 2399 2408 5
16 Ly, Moulthun QLD 2162 2148 5
17 FM Canfell, Greg NSW 2354 2296 5
18 FM Humphrey, Jonathan QLD 2254 2189 5
19 Pyke, Malcolm VIC 2126 2079 5
20 WIM Moylan, Laura NSW 2112 2093 4.5
21 FM Guthrie, Aaron SA 2251 2120 4.5
22 Booth, Stewart VIC 2179 2184 4.5
23 Bird, Andrew NSW 2146 2105 4.5
24 Obst, James SA 2012 2054 4
25 WIM Caoili, Arianne QLD 2207 2293 4
26 Wallis, Christopher VIC 2114 2055 4
27 Lakner, Jay WA 2207 2145 3.5
28 FM Dougherty, Michael CAN 2223 0 3.5
29 Frame, Nigel TAS 0 1850 1.5
30 FM Levi, Eddy VIC 2241 2235 1

pax
09-01-2006, 11:24 AM
It depends on who they played. Assuming titled opponent and foreign opponent critera are satisfied, roughly it is 2600 performance rating for a GM norm and 2450 for an IM norm. The FM title has no norms, so is not applicable.

Smerdon has a GM norm (11 or 12 games depending on tonight's result). I don't believe any other player is in line for a norm.

Spiny Norman
09-01-2006, 11:54 AM
BTW, congrats on the new version of SP2HTML ... the new features look really good.

twinlark
09-01-2006, 10:45 PM
It depends on who they played. Assuming titled opponent and foreign opponent critera are satisfied, roughly it is 2600 performance rating for a GM norm and 2450 for an IM norm. The FM title has no norms, so is not applicable.

Smerdon has a GM norm (11 or 12 games depending on tonight's result). I don't believe any other player is in line for a norm.

What about Zhao. Isnt he in line for an IM norm or title?

Rincewind
09-01-2006, 10:48 PM
What about Zhao. Isnt he in line for an IM norm or title?

To quote the French castle garrison from Holy Grail...

Well I'll tell him, but I don't think he will be very interested.

twinlark
09-01-2006, 10:54 PM
To quote the French castle garrison from Holy Grail...

Well I'll tell him, but I don't think he will be very interested.

That's an intriguing answer. What am I overlooking? (I'm new here)

Bill Gletsos
09-01-2006, 10:56 PM
That's an intriguing answer. What am I overlooking? (I'm new here)Zhao is already an IM, hence he doesnt care about IM norms, only GM norms.

Rincewind
09-01-2006, 10:56 PM
That's an intriguing answer. What am I overlooking? (I'm new here)

Zhao already has the IM title.

twinlark
09-01-2006, 11:01 PM
Zhao already has the IM title.

Silly me, wrong question. I had meant to ask about about George Xie.

Kerry Stead
10-01-2006, 12:15 AM
Silly me, wrong question. I had meant to ask about about George Xie.
He already has the IM norms he requires for the title from the Commonwealth Championship & the World Junior ... what he needs now is a 2400+ rating & he's an IM. He's about 25 points off it at the moment I think.

twinlark
10-01-2006, 01:45 AM
He already has the IM norms he requires for the title from the Commonwealth Championship & the World Junior ... what he needs now is a 2400+ rating & he's an IM. He's about 25 points off it at the moment I think.

Thanks Kerry. It doesn't seem that George would have done well enough in the Open to pick up that many points. Shouldn't be too far away though.

I notice that the championship division of the Australian Open had an average ELO rating of under 2251, the threshhold for a category 1 tournament. Has Australia ever held a category tournament?

pax
10-01-2006, 07:52 AM
Thanks Kerry. It doesn't seem that George would have done well enough in the Open to pick up that many points. Shouldn't be too far away though.

I notice that the championship division of the Australian Open had an average ELO rating of under 2251, the threshhold for a category 1 tournament. Has Australia ever held a category tournament?

There have been a number of category tournaments, but they have all been Round-Robins. It's not really a fair measure to use category to compare a ten player round robin with a 30 player Swiss. If you measure it on the top ten players alone, then this Australian Championship would rank as one of the strongest tournaments held in Australia (and certainly the strongest Australian Championship).

shaun
10-01-2006, 08:04 AM
The Hakoah International in 1988 (a swiss held after Adelaide hosted the World Juniors ) had a field strong enough so that a number of players played a Category n field. Gedevani scored an IM norm (which under the current rules qualifies for the title if he chooses to apply), and Craig Laird looked set for one until a suprise loss duded him in the final rounds.
The field included Michael Adams, Xie Jun, and Danny King (plus other titled players (Akopian?)).

Watto
10-01-2006, 08:31 AM
It depends on who they played. Assuming titled opponent and foreign opponent critera are satisfied, roughly it is 2600 performance rating for a GM norm and 2450 for an IM norm. The FM title has no norms, so is not applicable.

Smerdon has a GM norm (11 or 12 games depending on tonight's result). I don't believe any other player is in line for a norm.
Are the performance ratings anywhere on the site yet? Couldn’t find them…

p.s. the website has been great. Has made the tournament really enjoyable to follow.

pax
10-01-2006, 08:40 AM
Are the performance ratings anywhere on the site yet? Couldn’t find them…


Unfortunately not. That's one feature not currently available in sp2html (which was used to generate the site). It's a non-trivial addition, because Swiss Perfect save files do not include performance ratings information, so sp2html would have to generate them from scratch.

So unless the organisers choose to publish the rating reports, the performance ratings will not be available.

Watto
10-01-2006, 08:53 AM
Unfortunately not. That's one feature not currently available in sp2html (which was used to generate the site). It's a non-trivial addition, because Swiss Perfect save files do not include performance ratings information, so sp2html would have to generate them from scratch.

So unless the organisers choose to publish the rating reports, the performance ratings will not be available.

Okay, thanks pax.