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Garvinator
28-12-2005, 09:41 AM
Have our discussions here;)

Trent Parker
28-12-2005, 09:45 AM
Junta's pawn formation looks weak.

However i had a similar thing happen in a game up Gosford. I got into a bit of trouble but finally got out of it.....

I reckon Junta will play along the a file, or at least the queenside....

PHAT
28-12-2005, 09:52 AM
Have our discussions here;)

This event is transient, I am nothing if not tenacious ;)

Trent Parker
28-12-2005, 09:55 AM
Gareth Oliver seems to have this game positionally wrapped up after taking on f3

Trent Parker
28-12-2005, 10:04 AM
..ok i'll shut my mouth now....... Why, instead of Qb6, why not Nxf3?

Trent Parker
28-12-2005, 11:01 AM
Suttor - Lei 1-0
Chow, j - Yu, R. 0-1

Garvinator
28-12-2005, 11:18 AM
as i said in the shoutbox, tyson tangimentua is in time trouble ;)

Trent Parker
28-12-2005, 11:24 AM
What an excellent game!

D.Stojic - Drew 1-0

Rincewind
28-12-2005, 02:11 PM
Extremely pleased to see one of the DGT boards covering the girls board 1. A quantum improvement on last year. :clap:

Trent Parker
29-12-2005, 09:19 AM
Go James!!

Oepty
29-12-2005, 01:38 PM
Edwin Wu has just upset Dusan Stojic.

pax
30-12-2005, 12:40 PM
I didn't think this ever happened in real games:

[Event "Aust Under 12 Ch Brisbane"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2006.??.??"]
[Round "2.28"]
[White "Whish, Lachlan"]
[Black "Gupte, Anand"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C20"]
[PlyCount "7"]

1. e4 e5 2. Qf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bb4 4. Qxf7# 1-0

Trizza
30-12-2005, 12:46 PM
I didn't think this ever happened in real games:

[Event "Aust Under 12 Ch Brisbane"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2006.??.??"]
[Round "2.28"]
[White "Whish, Lachlan"]
[Black "Gupte, Anand"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C20"]
[PlyCount "7"]

1. e4 e5 2. Qf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bb4 4. Qxf7# 1-0

Unfortunately I've seen it in several junior games - no none of mine :) - although it had been tried on me.

The game Cronan - Viswanath is interesting ATM. Although black is the exchange up, I don't trust his position at all.

Garvinator
30-12-2005, 12:49 PM
I didn't think this ever happened in real games:

[Event "Aust Under 12 Ch Brisbane"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2006.??.??"]
[Round "2.28"]
[White "Whish, Lachlan"]
[Black "Gupte, Anand"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C20"]
[PlyCount "7"]

1. e4 e5 2. Qf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bb4 4. Qxf7# 1-0
certainly didnt play like his namesake ;)

Trizza
30-12-2005, 12:51 PM
What the ?? Jule - Ikeda in the girls agreed drawn even though black is a clear exchange up? Sure, she is very short on time, but so is white, and there is an increment.

Careth
30-12-2005, 01:02 PM
Hey Trizza, I agree on Ganesh's position. He just played 35... Qb7, but wont e6+ cause him trouble? Or was he trying to create his king some running space? Wouldnt 35....Qg5 be better?

Trizza
30-12-2005, 01:04 PM
Hey Trizza, I agree on Ganesh's position. He just played 35... Qb7, but wont e6+ cause him trouble? Or was he trying to create his king some running space? Wouldnt 35....Qg5 be better?

Can't see the black king surviving if it runs. After e6 Kg8 might be OK. Qg4 looks dangerous for white instead though. Qg5 for black looks a bit better but still no fun.

White has just taken on g6 instead. Qg2 for black? leads to instant death.
White has missed a mate in 3 with Bh4 but is still totally winning.

Careth
30-12-2005, 01:15 PM
And Ganesh just tipped the King. Pretty good game though- I was expecting Cronan to play an English after seeing his games in the schools championships.

pax
31-12-2005, 09:57 AM
He's a speedy mover, that Moulthun Ly!

Garvinator
31-12-2005, 10:07 AM
He's a speedy mover, that Moulthun Ly!
first player to win on board one and have two hours left on the clock ;) that is the ambition :P

Careth
31-12-2005, 11:20 AM
He's a speedy mover, that Moulthun Ly!

Moulthun is the Junior Lightning champ from Mt. Buller.

pax
31-12-2005, 11:28 AM
first player to win on board one and have two hours left on the clock ;) that is the ambition :P

First player to play two tournaments with the clock time allocated for one :eek:

Kevin Bonham
31-12-2005, 01:39 PM
I reckon White is better, probably even +/- in the final position of G. Oliver-Ly. Black has nearly an extra hour on the clock but 17 mins plus 1 min per move is enough time to give Black some trouble. Of course, it's another thing when you're playing to watching it sedately from home.

Angela Song's opponent should have resigned immediately on loss of his queen or else played on until mated. Playing on in dead lost positions then resigning one move before mate against strong opponents is silly. Coaches should discourage this practice.

Kevin Bonham
31-12-2005, 01:47 PM
If Suttor wins that ending he has the outright lead, for what little being outright leader after four rounds is worth. It doesn't look that easy to convert that though, I'll be impressed if he does it.

Garvinator
31-12-2005, 01:49 PM
If Suttor wins that ending he has the outright lead, for what little being outright leader after four rounds is worth.
well he was outright leader at mt buller for about seven or more rounds ;)

Kevin Bonham
31-12-2005, 01:52 PM
well he was outright leader at mt buller for about seven or more rounds ;)

That was exactly what I had in mind.

These 11-round things are all about peaking at the right time.

Alan Shore
31-12-2005, 01:58 PM
If Suttor wins that ending he has the outright lead, for what little being outright leader after four rounds is worth. It doesn't look that easy to convert that though, I'll be impressed if he does it.

I doubt it, he seems to be playing minus a king...

Garvinator
31-12-2005, 02:06 PM
I doubt it, he seems to be playing minus a king...
James is now slightly better, isnt he?

Kevin Bonham
31-12-2005, 02:08 PM
It is surely dead drawn now. There will be a great big stack of people on 3.5/4.

Trizza
31-12-2005, 02:10 PM
If Suttor wins that ending he has the outright lead, for what little being outright leader after four rounds is worth. It doesn't look that easy to convert that though, I'll be impressed if he does it.

Agreed drawn soon after Suttor dropped the d pawn. The natural Ne3+ seems to be no good, though Kevin was right - not an easy endgame to win with limited time.

Garvinator
31-12-2005, 02:11 PM
It is surely dead drawn now. There will be a great big stack of people on 3.5/4.
draw agreed

Kevin Bonham
31-12-2005, 02:13 PM
Agreed drawn. I think it had been drawn for a while actually. As Belthesar points out there is no way to get the pawn through without bringing the king up, and there is also no easy way to do that.

pax
31-12-2005, 05:52 PM
Looks like Gareth might have missed a win with 36.Rd7!

jenni
31-12-2005, 06:10 PM
Looks like Gareth might have missed a win with 36.Rd7!
yes he did - he was a bit miffed with himself, but pleased to have fought back from a pretty awful opening and a generally bad position for a lot of the game.

I think against anyone else he would have pushed on to try and win, but didn't want to be trying to play in time trouble against Moulthun. :)

Garvinator
31-12-2005, 06:45 PM
I think against anyone else he would have pushed on to try and win, but didn't want to be trying to play in time trouble against Moulthun. :)
Time trouble :hmm: with 17 mins plus 1 minute increment :wall:

pax
31-12-2005, 08:40 PM
Angela Song's opponent should have resigned immediately on loss of his queen or else played on until mated. Playing on in dead lost positions then resigning one move before mate against strong opponents is silly. Coaches should discourage this practice.

Is there a rule about not resigning versus a Song?

Check out Raymond Song-Bird in Rd 4. Bird played on for seven moves after Song queened to go Q+R up (vs K+3P - it was clear the pawns weren't going anywhere). He appears to have resigned 3 moves from mate.

jenni
31-12-2005, 11:53 PM
Time trouble :hmm: with 17 mins plus 1 minute increment :wall:

I know - sounds silly, particularly when gareth used to play in 15 min when he was 12. However he now uses lots of time and it wasn't a clear position. If he had a definite win he would have played on. He had managed to pull back the position so his pieces were now in good positions etc, but still not an obvious win. I think he respected Moulthun a bit too much...

Alan Shore
02-01-2006, 02:34 PM
DGT's stuffed again eh?

Bill Gletsos
02-01-2006, 02:37 PM
DGT's stuffed again eh?So it would seem.

Garvinator
02-01-2006, 07:11 PM
DGT's stuffed again eh?
yes, well they were during the juniors.

I am now at home, so am typing from there.

As addressed by jase in the aus champs thread:


DGT boards are all in working order, albeit with some manual intervention when a piece suddenly disappears off the radar.

However the TOMA software is presently not uploading to our website. We have just installed a program that will upload data every 5 minutes, as a back-up procedure, and hope to have the TOMA gear operating on all cylinders again asap.

As the problem only began after the hackers had their fun and it occurred during the juniors, we decided to wait until the session changeover to try and fix the problem. The update every 5 minutes is a temporary measure until we can work out what is going wrong with live transmission.

The 5 minute auto updates explains why you see moves in batches, instead of constant streaming.

My apologies to all for this inconvenience.

arosar
02-01-2006, 07:18 PM
gray, are they paying you for your specialist DGT services? I'm just wondering cos I recall you wanting some sort of fee, like an airfare or something. I'm guessing you're giving the organisers a discount since you're a local. Right?

AR

Bill Gletsos
02-01-2006, 08:19 PM
gray, are they paying you for your specialist DGT services? I'm just wondering cos I recall you wanting some sort of fee, like an airfare or something. I'm guessing you're giving the organisers a discount since you're a local. Right?

ARGiven Gary Bekker is there surely he would be the expert on the DGT boards.

arosar
02-01-2006, 08:30 PM
Given Gary Bekker is there surely he would be the expert on the DGT boards.

Now look here Bill...I didn't ask you OK. But anyway, gray sounds like he's part of the crew. After all, in his post above, he says, "we"; and he's apologising as well. So if he's with them, I'm just wondering if he's getting paid. And how much?

AR

Bill Gletsos
02-01-2006, 08:49 PM
Now look here Bill...I didn't ask you OK.Ok. It just seemed to me that if anyone was the expert it was Gary.

BTW isnt your countryman Mark Paragua really in the top 100 given he is tied for 99th spot.

Alan Shore
02-01-2006, 10:07 PM
Now look here Bill...I didn't ask you OK. But anyway, gray sounds like he's part of the crew. After all, in his post above, he says, "we"; and he's apologising as well. So if he's with them, I'm just wondering if he's getting paid. And how much?

AR

Garvin told me is isn't getting paid at all, he is helping out as a volunteer. It's very good of him to do so, as Gary can be preoccupied playing Warcraft on his laptop, hehe.

Phil Bourke
02-01-2006, 10:12 PM
Just hope they have them all working in the morning, as Ikeda v Ly should be one game worth watching :)

Careth
02-01-2006, 10:18 PM
Phil, the match I am waiting for is the Ly-Suttor match. Suttor is going to be going at Ly with vengeance...

Phil Bourke
02-01-2006, 11:04 PM
Will watch that one too, most of these youngsters are new to me, so I rely on more experienced watchers to steer me towards the better games.
Just that Ly is widely spoken off, and is having a great tournament, and Ikeda has been mentioned before, even sneaking a win of Rogers in the NSW Open (?) Made me think that these two would be the titans of the Junior Tournament.
Which raises another question, being 11 rounds, can these two play again if they are co-leaders going into the last round? It might be more applicable to the Open Tournament, where it seems that most of the heavyweights will have played each other well before the last round.

Kevin Bonham
02-01-2006, 11:37 PM
Which raises another question, being 11 rounds, can these two play again if they are co-leaders going into the last round? It might be more applicable to the Open Tournament, where it seems that most of the heavyweights will have played each other well before the last round.

Swiss system never allows repairing of two opponents who have already played each other. You could say, why not, if they are so far ahead that none of the others can catch them. The only downside I can see of that is it might deprive the one who has had the harder run through the draw to that stage of an easy last round game as compensation.

Often by the last round of the Aus Champs the heavyweights are digging well into the midfield. Not sure about this year - there are so many heavyweights!

This Aus Junior is really encouraging - the depth of strength at the pointy end is great.

Rincewind
03-01-2006, 07:47 AM
This Aus Junior is really encouraging - the depth of strength at the pointy end is great.

It is great and even more so when you consider who isn't playing (in the junior).

jenni
03-01-2006, 08:03 AM
Just that Ly is widely spoken off, and is having a great tournament, and Ikeda has been mentioned before, even sneaking a win of Rogers in the NSW Open (?) Made me think that these two would be the titans of the Junior Tournament.
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I think age comes into it as well. Moulthun and Junta are both 14, so there is a lot of potential for more development there. Vincent, Gareth, Ronald Yu are all 17, so you feel are maybe heading for a plateau. Ronald has had a slow start, but is every bit as good as the others. Michael Morris is doing very well, particularly given it is his first juniors. Angela Song is playing extremely well - if only she liked chess and wanted to continue playing we would have a strong home grown girl for the future.....

I know Junta will be very keen to do well today so I am going to enjoy watchng the game. James Cronan mucked up his opening prep yesterday, but he is also playing well.

Moulthun has superstar status and has his nose in front and might well hold it, but I think it is exciting that we have so many other good juniors. I think Australia needs depth, not just individual stars.

Garvinator
03-01-2006, 08:52 AM
Angela Song is playing extremely well - if only she liked chess and wanted to continue playing we would have a strong home grown girl for the future..... agreed clap,clap (damn not having those emoticons, cant even give an angry emoticon for not having emoticons) lol.


Moulthun has superstar status and has his nose in front and might well hold it, but I think it is exciting that we have so many other good juniors. I think Australia needs depth, not just individual stars.
and they need to continue on after they turn 18 or so, otherwise i consider it all wasted.

Garvinator
03-01-2006, 10:20 AM
Does it look like the junior games have frozen again?

Garvinator
03-01-2006, 10:37 AM
Does it look like the junior games have frozen again?
looking at the site again, this appears to be a certainty. Looks like there is a major problem occurring. Will look at it again during the sessions interval and after the championship games tonight.

gbekker
03-01-2006, 10:58 AM
Sorry Guys,

This has now been rectified and games will be updated every few minutes.

Thanks,

Gary Bekker

pax
03-01-2006, 11:27 AM
Junta looks to be in dire straits and massive time trouble against Moulthun. 2.b3 ?! was an interesting choice, but he looked ok until 11.h3?

pax
03-01-2006, 11:51 AM
Looks like Angela missed a killing blow with 29.Rxe6!!

Careth
03-01-2006, 11:53 AM
1. e4 c5 2. b3 is actually covered in a book on the Dragon I recently got. Unfortunately, Moulthun played a French. Against a Sicilian, it is fairly useful against higher rated players I've found- in Lightning. Never seen it against a French.

Kevin Bonham
03-01-2006, 11:53 AM
2.b3 followed by 3.exd5 really should not cause Black any trouble. Looks like Moulthun's 5...c5 was an error but then Ikeda obliged with 11.h3 giving himself the same pawn problems. I wonder if Moulthun's considering 19...Bxf4.

Kevin Bonham
03-01-2006, 11:57 AM
Looks like Angela missed a killing blow with 29.Rxe6!!

Can Black refute that with ...Be5?

pax
03-01-2006, 11:59 AM
2.b3 followed by 3.exd5 really should not cause Black any trouble. Looks like Moulthun's 5...c5 was an error but then Ikeda obliged with 11.h3 giving himself the same pawn problems. I wonder if Moulthun's considering 19...Bxf4.

18...Qd7 looks like it took a bit of pressure off to me..

WhiteElephant
03-01-2006, 12:04 PM
Junta keeps finding nice defensive moves but Moulthun looks like he is wearing him down.

WhiteElephant
03-01-2006, 12:07 PM
In the Sally Yu - Alex Joule game, 13.....Ncxe5 looked interesting. After 14. fe Qxc3 15. Qd2 Bxb4 white has some problems....

Just speculation...game is over already.

pax
03-01-2006, 12:08 PM
Junta keeps finding nice defensive moves but Moulthun looks like he is wearing him down.

Junta's biggest problem is his clock. He is now essentially down to increment only. His position is probably ok if he plays very precisely - but that is very tough to do with only a minute a move.

pax
03-01-2006, 12:11 PM
Junta's biggest problem is his clock. He is now essentially down to increment only. His position is probably ok if he plays very precisely - but that is very tough to do with only a minute a move.

And as I posted that, Junta has given up Q for R+N. He now looks lost. I think 22.Reg1! may have held onto things for a bit longer.

Kevin Bonham
03-01-2006, 12:11 PM
I wonder if Moulthun's considering 19...Bxf4.

Wouldn't have quite worked - just gets R+2P for B+N.

Kevin Bonham
03-01-2006, 12:32 PM
31.fxg3 would have held out much longer for Ikeda but would have led to simplification into an eventually lost ending. Now it will all be over soon.

Kevin Bonham
03-01-2006, 12:47 PM
Check out the Ronald Yu combo starting with 24.Nxh7. Five moves later Black can very safely resign.

pax
03-01-2006, 12:50 PM
Moulthun wins to go to 5.5/6. Definitely looks like a key victory in his title defence (especially with Vincent taking a short draw). Angela looks to be winning, and will go to 5/6 if she does and will probably be joined by one or two others on that score.

Bill Gletsos
03-01-2006, 12:54 PM
2.b3 followed by 3.exd5 really should not cause Black any trouble.There are 908 games in Mega 2005 after blacks 2nd move and 81 after whites exd5.


Looks like Moulthun's 5...c5 was an errorThere are 58 games with 5... c5.

but then Ikeda obliged with 11.h3 giving himself the same pawn problems.After Blacks 10th only 1 game on file from the 24th Soviet Championship in 1957 between Aronin and Taimanov. Aronin played 11. Bxc6 and the game ended in a draw after 40 moves.

Kevin Bonham
03-01-2006, 01:08 PM
There are 58 games with 5... c5.

If it has been played often and in a Soviet Championship I assume it must be theory and actually fine, with the two bishops and half-open g-file as compensation for the pawn structure issue.

pax
05-01-2006, 09:45 AM
Suttor-Ly is the big matchup this round. It's gone out of book pretty quickly. Suttor's 5.Qc2 looks to have surrendered the advantage (the position has very poor stats for white).

pax
05-01-2006, 09:52 AM
Interestingly, Murray Chandler is one of the few to have played the position after Bb4+ (which he won as black).

pax
05-01-2006, 11:14 AM
Gee it's rattled along to and endgame very quickly. Moulthun is in for an uncomfortable time with that ugly bishop, but my guess is that he will hold on again.

Phil Bourke
05-01-2006, 11:20 AM
Ly will hold, Suttor will struggle with his time.

pax
05-01-2006, 11:33 AM
Jager-Morris is interesting, with white's Rook locked into the d7 by black's bishop and pawns. Morris might be able to make something of it if he exchanges the other rook and has a go at the queen side.

pax
05-01-2006, 11:49 AM
Suttor-Ly 1-0!!

Moulthun must really be tired. He was probably losing in the final position with white's threat of a4!, but resignation seemed way too premature.

Phil Bourke
05-01-2006, 11:50 AM
Good win to Vincent. Perhaps Jenni was right in her post about Ly getting tired, will be a shame if his performance slips from here on in.

Davidflude
05-01-2006, 12:03 PM
I thought that

35...Bc4+ was very interesting but the lines may transpose. Jesse has to watch
out that James does not construct a mating net.

pax
05-01-2006, 12:07 PM
I thought that

35...Bc4+ was very interesting but the lines may transpose. Jesse has to watch
out that James does not construct a mating net.

I think Jager is lost.

Kaitlin
05-01-2006, 12:10 PM
I thought that

35...Bc4+ was very interesting but the lines may transpose. Jesse has to watch
out that James does not construct a mating net.

... and closeing ?

Davidflude
05-01-2006, 12:14 PM
Now the knight cuts off the black squared bishop.

Wheras after 35...Bc4 Ke1 36. Bc3+ Ke1 37. Rxa3 white looks to be in a tangle.

pax
05-01-2006, 12:17 PM
Kelvin Finke is now 1.5 points clear in the U12 after Yuan Yi lost to Edward Xing.

Bill Gletsos
05-01-2006, 12:18 PM
I thought that

35...Bc4+ was very interesting but the lines may transpose. Jesse has to watch
out that James does not construct a mating net.You mean Michael not James.

James Morris is on board 10 playing Ben Lazarus.

Kevin Bonham
05-01-2006, 12:25 PM
Suttor-Ly 1-0!!

Moulthun must really be tired. He was probably losing in the final position with white's threat of a4!, but resignation seemed way too premature.

Yep, it looks like I spoke a day too soon on that one; the bubble has finally burst, nice revenge for Suttor after last year. The other thing that's a bad sign is Moulthun playing waaaaaaaaaay too fast. This Suttor chap's clearly no mug and you don't beat a player that good by playing 44 moves in 36 minutes. Moulthun finished with eight minutes more than he started with and no points. Suttor finished with 12 minutes on his clock and a win.

pax
05-01-2006, 12:27 PM
Now the knight cuts off the black squared bishop.

Wheras after 35...Bc4 Ke1 36. Bc3+ Ke1 37. Rxa3 white looks to be in a tangle.

White can play 35...Kg1 in that line.

No, what he missed was 35... Rxa3 36.Nd4 (played) Ra1! 37.Ke2 Bf4! threatening Bc4 mate.

Kaitlin
05-01-2006, 12:32 PM
Not looking good for Jesse now :(

I dont like it when anyone losses :(

pax
05-01-2006, 12:35 PM
Angela's exchange sac against Gareth looks interesting. She has the bishop pair and a protected passer in return, and Gareth is pretty cramped. My guess is that is will be a draw, but there's lots of play left.

pax
05-01-2006, 12:39 PM
Morris also just missed 45...Bb4! winning the exchange.

Garvinator
05-01-2006, 12:39 PM
Morris also just missed 45...Bb4! winning the exchange.
hasnt he missed that move for a few moves now?

pax
05-01-2006, 12:42 PM
hasnt he missed that move for a few moves now?
No, the point is the pin on the Bishop on c3 (which only moved there on move 45).

Garvinator
05-01-2006, 12:44 PM
No, the point is the pin on the Bishop on c3 (which only moved there on move 45).
well that game is now in the record books. 0-1

pax
05-01-2006, 12:49 PM
Interesting, Morris missed it again on move 46, and the even stronger Bf4!!, but after the inferior 46...Rg3 white resigned. He could have continued with Nf2, but was probably still losing.

pax
05-01-2006, 01:35 PM
After 43 ... Qd7? I'd say Angela is now winning. She hasn't put a foot wrong, and is playing superbly. This tournament is going to be a very close fight.

pax
05-01-2006, 01:39 PM
Finished. Great win by Angela. Seriously, this girl must not give up chess!

jenni
05-01-2006, 04:30 PM
Finished. Great win by Angela. Seriously, this girl must not give up chess!
Yes Angela is playing superbly - she has no pressure on her as she doesn't care and while I am sure will be ecstatic if she wins outright it really doesn't matter to her. I can almost guarantee that she will give up chess,as she doesn't want to play and only plays because her parents find reasons to get her to play. (e.g we will take you to Queenstown and you won't have to play if you play the Aus Juniors). However we can always hope that changes as she gets older.

Gareth really wanted to win that game and the time pressure got to him. There are still some interesting combinations left and I wouldn't want to predict the winner yet - Moulthun, Ronald, Junta, Angela and Vincent are all in with chances.

In some ways Vincent deserves to win the most to make up for last year.

Kevin Bonham
05-01-2006, 05:29 PM
I can almost guarantee that she will give up chess,as she doesn't want to play and only plays because her parents find reasons to get her to play. (e.g we will take you to Queenstown and you won't have to play if you play the Aus Juniors). However we can always hope that changes as she gets older.

I am truly astonished that a player can play that well under those circumstances. Has it been like this for a while? Do they set her performance targets?

pax
07-01-2006, 10:57 AM
No moves in Ly-Yu? I really hope this is technical, and not because one of the players is missing!

WhiteElephant
07-01-2006, 11:18 AM
Hmmm...Moulthun currently logged in to ICC...that is strange....

Garvinator
07-01-2006, 11:37 AM
No moves in Ly-Yu? I really hope this is technical, and not because one of the players is missing!
Ronald Yu has had to drop out of the tournament due to illness.

pax
07-01-2006, 11:56 AM
Ronald Yu has had to drop out of the tournament due to illness.

That's a great shame, as Ronald was in with a good chance of the title.

Quite a lucky break for Moulthun, but you have to wonder about the guy. He finally gets a morning off his grueling schedule, and what does he do? Spend it playing blitz on ICC *lol*!

Phil Bourke
07-01-2006, 12:34 PM
Why didn't the organisers shift the DGT Board down to one of the other games?

Garvinator
07-01-2006, 12:39 PM
Why didn't the organisers shift the DGT Board down to one of the other games?
shifting dgt boards isnt easy. There is a lot of cabling involved in just setting up one board, some of it is on the ground and tapped down firmly. Moving them around at the last minute is almost impossible.

Phil Bourke
07-01-2006, 12:44 PM
Fair enough, perhaps the alternative would be to shift the players.
Sounds easier.

Garvinator
07-01-2006, 12:48 PM
Fair enough, perhaps the alternative would be to shift the players.
Sounds easier.
this could have been a possibility, but I dont know at what time the organisers became aware of Ronald's withdrawal. I imagine if they were aware of it last night, the draw could have been re-paired and new pairings allocated, instead of a whole forfeit on a top board.

Therefore with his withdrawal most likely being very late notice, I guess it was just decided to stay as is.

Bill Gletsos
07-01-2006, 01:13 PM
Another good win by Angela. She now has the outright lead in the Aus Junior.

Bill Gletsos
07-01-2006, 01:40 PM
Angela will have white aginst Junta tomorrow.

Davidflude
07-01-2006, 01:51 PM
Mike Morris made a real mess of playing the King's Gambit. I just checked my
database. There are only a few games with Qf6. They are all spoilt by blunders.

If you are going to play 1.f4 you must prepare for 1.e5

Either you must prepare for the From or Neo-From gambits or prepare the King's Gambit. Any choice involves hard work.

I would not consider the King's Gambit unless I had studied

1) Gallaghers book "Winning with the King's Gambit"

2) both of Thomas Johannsson's books

"The King's Gambit for the Creative Aggressor"

"The fascinating King's Gambit"

jenni
07-01-2006, 02:31 PM
this could have been a possibility, but I dont know at what time the organisers became aware of Ronald's withdrawal. I imagine if they were aware of it last night, the draw could have been re-paired and new pairings allocated, instead of a whole forfeit on a top board.

Therefore with his withdrawal most likely being very late notice, I guess it was just decided to stay as is.
I understand that Ronald was very keen to play, but this morning his parents decided he was too sick and are now driving back to Sydney. By the time they made that decision it was too late for pairings to have been redone - it would have messed up all the other kids' preparation.

It has been a bit of a tragedy, both for Ronald who would have had expectations of being able to win today and also for the other kids who have just seen Moulthun handed a free point...

Aaron Bellette
07-01-2006, 03:11 PM
If you are going to play 1.f4 you must prepare for 1.e5

Either you must prepare for the From or Neo-From gambits or prepare the King's Gambit. Any choice involves hard work.

I would not consider the King's Gambit unless I had studied

1) Gallaghers book "Winning with the King's Gambit"

2) both of Thomas Johannsson's books

"The King's Gambit for the Creative Aggressor"

"The fascinating King's Gambit"

Great opening for CC, not so good for OTB (unless you have Fritz brain!). I play the Bird a lot and don't mind the From at all and have started playing the "Flude Variation" against the Neo-From.

AB

Davidflude
07-01-2006, 04:29 PM
Have you seen my game annotated by Harding in Chess Mail. The line is terribly
hard for both players. Both my opponent and Harding missed a killer move for my
opponent.

pax
08-01-2006, 01:39 PM
Amazing. Angela wins again, and Moulthun loses again, leaving Angela a full point clear of Huang. Looks like we are heading for another 13 year old champion!

pax
08-01-2006, 01:59 PM
Actually, it looks like Ganesh beat Jager (not the other way around as indicated by the DGT) so Ganesh is also a point behind.

Trizza
08-01-2006, 02:58 PM
Actually, it looks like Ganesh beat Jager (not the other way around as indicated by the DGT) so Ganesh is also a point behind.

Just like last year Ganesh is making a late run - that's four wins in a row (assuming he did beat Jager) after falling back to +1 mid-way through the event.

Garvinator
08-01-2006, 03:24 PM
Actually, it looks like Ganesh beat Jager (not the other way around as indicated by the DGT) so Ganesh is also a point behind.
Ganesh won the game, result was set incorrectly on the dgt board.

jenni
08-01-2006, 04:39 PM
Actually, it looks like Ganesh beat Jager (not the other way around as indicated by the DGT) so Ganesh is also a point behind.
Ganesh plays Moulthun tomorrow - I think his first opponent who is one of the top seeds? Will be interesting as Ganesh is a lot fresher than Moulthun. (Have to think it will be hard for him to beat Moulthun, but maybe a draw?)

Trizza
08-01-2006, 05:29 PM
Ganesh plays Moulthun tomorrow - I think his first opponent who is one of the top seeds? Will be interesting as Ganesh is a lot fresher than Moulthun. (Have to think it will be hard for him to beat Moulthun, but maybe a draw?)

Ganesh lost to James Cronan in round 3, and Jesse Jager is the only higher seeded player he has played. If he had got to play Angela and won, it would have been an excellent swiss gambit of sorts.

Still, clearly his hardest test tomorrow against Moulthun - though they had a hard fought game last year.

pax
09-01-2006, 10:07 AM
Looks like Moulthun used a total of about 12 minutes of clock time in beating Ganesh.

Actually, it looks to me that Moulthun has been much more focused on the Championship the whole way through. The games I've seen on the DGT in the Championship have been taken at a serious pace, while many of the Junior games have been taken at 'rapid' pace. Was this a deliberate tactic in order to stay as fresh as possible for the evening games?

Garvinator
09-01-2006, 10:12 AM
Looks like Moulthun used a total of about 12 minutes of clock time in beating Ganesh.
unlucky, he could have played a couple of extra moves to get himself over the 2 hour mark (wink)

WhiteElephant
09-01-2006, 10:49 AM
Why is the Muthusamy - Lindberg game 0-1? Am I missing something?

pax
09-01-2006, 11:26 AM
Why is the Muthusamy - Lindberg game 0-1? Am I missing something?

The PGN file records the same 9 moves as the DGT, with the comment "and for some reason White resigned here". I don't believe either player can win a prize, so I'm mystified.

snail84
09-01-2006, 11:32 AM
Why is the Muthusamy - Lindberg game 0-1? Am I missing something?

You're not missing anything. Reubban Muthusamy's mobile phone rang.

WhiteElephant
09-01-2006, 12:04 PM
Aaah thanks. That sux, especially in the last round!

pax
09-01-2006, 12:12 PM
It's going to be right down to the wire for the title. Huang is a pawn up heading into a RP endgame. If he wins, then it goes to a playoff.

WhiteElephant
09-01-2006, 12:15 PM
Nice play by Angela to avoid losing material in complications but she is still a pawn down.

Let's see if she can salvage a draw out of this rook ending - great to see this tournament going down to the wire.

I hadn't heard of Justin Huang before - he's had an excellent run.

Edit: you just got in ahead of me pax :)

Careth
09-01-2006, 12:38 PM
The biggest shock to me is looking at the ratings of the players in the top 10, Andrew Brown is only 1573, and running for the Under 14!

Plus is 53.bxa5 a mistake or doesnt it just equalize in the Huang-Song match??

pax
09-01-2006, 12:40 PM
Looks like Huang will win - he should be able to make a K-side passer then it's history.

Trizza
09-01-2006, 12:42 PM
The biggest shock to me is looking at the ratings of the players in the top 10, Andrew Brown is only 1573, and running for the Under 14!

Plus is 53.bxa5 a mistake or doesnt it just equalize in the Huang-Song match??

White doesn't just recapture the pawn but pushes b5 and gets the pawn to
b7, which looks winning

pax
09-01-2006, 12:46 PM
Plus is 53.bxa5 a mistake or doesnt it just equalize in the Huang-Song match??

It doesn't equalize after 54.b5 Ra4 55.b6 Rd4+ 56.Ke3 Rd8 57.b7 Rb8

WhiteElephant
09-01-2006, 12:54 PM
Looks lost now. I thought Angela would have been better off trying to hold with g4 instead of swapping pawns with f4.

Trizza
09-01-2006, 01:00 PM
Looks lost now. I thought Angela would have been better off trying to hold with g4 instead of swapping pawns with f4.

That wouldn't help as white could take his king to f4 and win both black kingside pawns (or infiltrate with his king to the queenside).

Phil Bourke
09-01-2006, 01:03 PM
Does anyone have the result of the Huang - Song game?
It disappeared off the display after Huang played Kh6 !!

Kerry Stead
09-01-2006, 01:04 PM
Wasn't taking on b7 the mistake for Angela? As well as swapping on f4 ... She should have got her king to d7-c7 to cover the b pawns then used the rook to stop the white king approaching her pawns ... now for a playoff I guess

pax
09-01-2006, 01:05 PM
It's back on the DGT, but Angela is totally lost now.

Javier Gil
09-01-2006, 01:06 PM
What's the tie breaking system? (i.e if Angela loses her game)

Phil Bourke
09-01-2006, 01:07 PM
Bugger, I was cheering her on.
What are the playoff conditions, and when does that happen?

arosar
09-01-2006, 01:08 PM
I wonder if there was a draw offer, by Song, at some point early in the game.

AR

WhiteElephant
09-01-2006, 01:08 PM
Bugger, I was cheering her on.
What are the playoff conditions, and when does that happen?

I wanted her to win the tournament too. When was the last time we had a female Aus Junior Champ?

pax
09-01-2006, 01:21 PM
I wanted her to win the tournament too. When was the last time we had a female Aus Junior Champ?

Never.

Bill Gletsos
09-01-2006, 01:24 PM
What's the tie breaking system? (i.e if Angela loses her game)From the relevant ACF By-Law.


5.3.1 The tied players shall play two games in which each player has 15 minutes
for the whole game in each game. Colours for the first game shall be drawn by
lot and shall be the opposite for the second game.

5.3.2 If the players are still tied, two games shall be played in which each
player has 5 minutes for the whole game in each game. Colours for each game
shall be consistent with those in paragraph 5.3.1.

5.3.3 If the tie is still not resolved a single game shall be played in which
White has 5 minutes and Black 4 minutes for the whole game, a draw for Black
being regarded as a win. Colours for this game shall be drawn by lot.

Kerry Stead
09-01-2006, 01:28 PM
I'm assuming the playoffs are happening away form the main playing hall while the Championship final round begins ... should be an interesting one - Justin's come along gradually over the last 4-5 years, so would be a good champion, while Angela would create history as the first female champion ... lets hope the games can be seen somewhere ...

Javier Gil
09-01-2006, 01:33 PM
Thanks a lot Bill.

pax
09-01-2006, 01:36 PM
It's a shame that such an important title is (again) being decided by a playoff in a trivial format.

It's hard to judge favourites, but I don't believe Angela plays a lot of Rapid or Lightning chess. Huang scored a fairly average 8/13 in the Junior lightning, and did not compete in the Rapid.

Bill Gletsos
09-01-2006, 01:39 PM
Thanks a lot Bill.No problem.

jase
09-01-2006, 01:44 PM
We have cleared the analysis room and will be conducting the playoffs there at 2:30pm EST (in 45 minutes from now).

gambitcrazy
09-01-2006, 01:55 PM
We have cleared the analysis room and will be conducting the playoffs there at 2:30pm EST (in 45 minutes from now).


I guess it must be that winner of the playoff gets first place prizemoney & loser gets second place prize money? Thats $600 difference .. quite a lot for a couple of blitz games!

If Rogers wins and Smerdon wins, will they have the same tiebreak? or will they be joint Aussie champs?

GC

jase
09-01-2006, 01:59 PM
The play-offs are for the title rather than for the money.

Bill Gletsos
09-01-2006, 02:00 PM
I guess it must be that winner of the playoff gets first place prizemoney & loser gets second place prize money? Thats $600 difference .. quite a lot for a couple of blitz games!If Angela wins she is the Australian Junior champion, and Justin would be U16 champion. If Justin wins he will be Australian Junior champion and Angela will be U16 Champion.


If Rogers wins and Smerdon wins, will they have the same tiebreak? or will they be joint Aussie champs?No, they will play a 4 game match at the same time controls as the Australian Championship.

Bill Gletsos
09-01-2006, 02:01 PM
We have cleared the analysis room and will be conducting the playoffs there at 2:30pm EST (in 45 minutes from now).Are there any other playoffs other than Angela and Justin?

Bill Gletsos
09-01-2006, 02:08 PM
I see Jule V Lyons and Eustace V Yu In the Girls U18 were non events being 5 move and 6 move draws respectively.

pax
09-01-2006, 02:14 PM
Are there any other playoffs other than Angela and Justin?

Assuming Angela qualifies for the higher title, then I think there is a playoff for the U14 title. Looks like also the U10 involves a playoff.

Trizza
09-01-2006, 02:18 PM
I see Jule V Lyons and Eustace V Yu In the Girls U18 were non events being 5 move and 6 move draws respectively.

Perhaps not totally surprising given that Jule only needed a draw for first and Yu a draw for second, and their opponents don't appear in contention for significant prizes.

jase
09-01-2006, 03:17 PM
Three playoffs in total. Edwin Wu won one of them decisively (2-0). The other two are in progress.

Angela Song (White) 1/2 - Justin Huang (Black) 1/2

Angela played very well to reach a Bishop v Knight ending, with 3 - 2 pawn majorities on each side of the board. From there she hestitated her way to a draw.

The 2nd game is about to commence.

jase
09-01-2006, 03:46 PM
Justin Huang (White) 0 - Angela Song (Black) 1

Another ending, rook and 5 pawns each. This time Angela was the agressor and converted a pawn with a move to spare.

With a double fist pump, a muffled cry of "yeah!", and to the applause of 30-40 spectators (and the Channel 9 cameraman), Angela Song takes out the Australian Junior Championships.

Might even make the news, that.

Trizza
09-01-2006, 03:49 PM
Justin Huang (White) 0 - Angela Song (Black) 1

Another ending, rook and 5 pawns each. This time Angela was the agressor and converted a pawn with a move to spare.

With a double fist pump, a muffled cry of "yeah!", and to the applause of 30-40 spectators (and the Channel 9 cameraman), Angela Song takes out the Australian Junior Championships.

Might even make the news, that.

Congratulations Angela!

A fine effort to recover given the loss earlier in the day/

pax
09-01-2006, 04:07 PM
Where's my clappy smilies when you need them??

Huge congratulations to Angela - she has achieved an extraordinary feat.

No disrespect to Justin but it would have been a terrible shame if Angela had lost after such a powerful performance through the event.

Perhaps this result will persuade her that she has a big future in the game?

At the very least, she should be genuinely in the running for a place in the Olympiad team (but she will have to play with the ladies for now) :)

Bill Gletsos
09-01-2006, 04:09 PM
Yes, congratulations Angela, well done.

Phil Bourke
09-01-2006, 04:15 PM
Congratulations Angela, a fine effort. One only hopes that she reconsiders her decision as to her chess playing future, as it would be a shame to lose one of the game's brightest stars.

eclectic
10-01-2006, 06:58 AM
how about we save ourselves the time and tension tiebreak games consume and simply have the combatants turn on their mobile phones ... ?

Bill Gletsos
10-01-2006, 01:28 PM
Who won the U10 title.

jenni
10-01-2006, 02:36 PM
Who won the U10 title.

Lawrence Matheson from Victoria after a playoff.

Bill Gletsos
14-01-2006, 03:03 PM
No Name Feder Loc Id Loc Score Exp. Rav Rprfm

1. Ly, Moulthun QLD 4202360 2148 7.0/10 8.00 1912 2061
2. Yu, Ronald NSW 2065405 2100 6.0/8 6.88 1790 1983
3. Suttor, Vincent NSW 2063865 2086 7.5/11 8.03 1912 2045
4. Ikeda, Junta ACT 1281631 2032 8.0/11 8.47 1818 1993
5. Oliver, Gareth ACT 1276422 1995 8.0/11 7.26 1879 2054
6. Stojic, Dusan VIC 1281421 1995 7.5/11 9.35 1704 1837
7. Cronan, James NSW 2067892 1975 7.0/11 7.92 1812 1914
8. Song, Angela NSW 2069406 1937 8.5/11 7.15 1828 2039
9. Morris, Michael NSW 2405233 1915 7.0/11 7.92 1752 1854
10. Jager, Jesse VIC 3106522 1898 7.0/11 7.26 1781 1883
11. Vijayakumar, Rukman VIC 3108821 1851 6.5/11 9.13 1579 1644
12. Donaldson, Thomas WA 6250456 1830 6.5/11 9.46 1526 1591
13. Huang, Justin NSW 2063946 1803 8.5/11 5.94 1774 1985
14. Viswanath, Ganesh WA 6249653 1790 7.5/11 7.48 1655 1788
15. Illingworth, Max NSW 2070832 1786 6.0/11 7.81 1626 1662
16. Lindberg, Douglas VIC 3101500 1774 7.5/11 6.27 1724 1857
17. Lazarus, Ben QLD 4163344 1771 6.5/11 6.82 1680 1745
18. Muthusamy, Reubban VIC 3105402 1771 6.5/11 7.92 1608 1673
19. Guo-Yuthok, Sherab ACT 1279703 1706 6.5/11 7.92 1537 1602
20. Webster, David NSW 2070972 1693 6.0/11 6.82 1608 1644
21. Harris, Benjamin NSW 2066503 1690 6.0/11 8.25 1497 1533
22. Morris, James VIC 3114724 1680 6.5/11 6.49 1613 1678
23. Anderson, Daniel QLD 4166166 1671 6.0/11 7.37 1546 1582
24. Wu, Edwin NSW 2068312 1651 7.0/11 7.48 1515 1617
25. Van Dijk, Devrim VIC 3113162 1629 7.0/11 6.60 1555 1657
26. Behne-Smith, David NSW 2067833 1585 6.0/11 6.71 1507 1543
27. Brown, Andrew ACT 1279538 1573 7.0/11 4.95 1607 1709
28. Humphries, Ryan WA 6246470 1555 4.5/11 8.47 1348 1283
29. Cooke, Steven QLD 4164383 1549 4.5/11 8.58 1329 1264
30. Yu, Derek VIC 3106021 1505 6.0/11 6.16 1459 1495
31. McGuirk, Michael NSW 2071112 1502 6.0/11 4.73 1554 1590
32. Cohn, Jason NSW 2070806 1473 5.5/11 4.73 1524 1524
33. Tang, Jason VIC 3116953 1465 5.0/11 6.49 1398 1362
34. Beltrami, Matthew ACT 1281701 1434 6.0/11 5.39 1441 1477
35. Zulfic, Fedja SA 2073343 1417 6.0/11 4.07 1510 1546
36. Dalton, Samuel VIC 3115413 1416 5.5/10 3.90 1495 1531
37. Gearing, Michael QLD 4164711 1385 4.5/10 3.50 1492 1456
38. Vijayakumar, Rengan VIC 3108880 1384 4.5/10 2.70 1557 1521
39. Grigg, Sam QLD 4171935 1364 5.0/10 2.70 1539 1539
40. Tangimentua, Tyson QLD 4182940 1360 5.0/11 6.16 1316 1280
41. Chow, Justin ACT 1292791 1346 6.0/11 5.39 1352 1388
42. Lei, Yitao QLD 4172403 1342 6.5/11 5.28 1353 1418
43. Dalton, Joshua VIC 3115612 1340 5.5/11 4.40 1415 1415
44. Drew, Phillip VIC 3120884 1318 5.0/11 6.60 1245 1209
45. Liang, Bob NSW 2404975 1307 5.0/11 3.52 1437 1401
46. McIntyre, Brock QLD 4198414 1298 4.5/10 6.60 1184 1148
47. Slack-Smith, Blair WA 6249163 1290 4.0/10 6.70 1161 1089
48. Fisher, Jayden QLD 4203362 1280 5.0/11 5.94 1252 1216
49. Lim, Nathanael QLD 3104960 1260 4.0/10 4.70 1280 1208
50. Hunter, Shayne QLD 4530265 1235 5.0/11 5.50 1234 1198
51. Boyle, Gregory QLD 4532774 1216 4.0/11 5.94 1188 1086
52. Waters, Will ACT 1666442 1215 5.0/11 4.29 1294 1258
53. Ford, Daniel QLD 4181466 1204 4.5/11 5.06 1235 1170
54. Rozenblat, Vanja VIC 3106032 1177 4.5/11 4.18 1264 1199
55. Muller, Jonas QLD 4208870 1176 6.0/11 2.97 1352 1388
56. Papp, Alexander NSW 2408055 1160 5.5/11 2.86 1346 1346
57. D'Arcy, Michael QLD 4163263 1156 4.0/10 3.20 1291 1219
58. Pedersen-Lee, Lachlan QLD 4194306 1134 2.5/10 3.90 1213 1020
59. Bhattacharya, Devraj VIC 3121444 1112 2.5/9 3.96 1152 986
60. Bielenberg, Nathanael QLD 4531772 1112 5.0/10 1.60 1394 1394
61. Ng, Nicholas VIC 2408766 1099 4.0/10 4.70 1123 1051
62. Sunarjana, Damien QLD 4178294 1054 2.5/10 4.10 1118 925
63. Lee, Leoma QLD 4206394 1035 4.0/10 2.00 1278 1206
64. Barrett, Daniel QLD 4167194 1031 4.5/10 1.80 1294 1258
65. Jule, Sebastian QLD 4171563 989 4.5/9 1.80 1232 1232
66. Behne-Smith, Jonathan NSW 1291583 974 3.0/10 2.80 1139 990
67. Posner, Daniel QLD 4530873 957 4.5/11 1.98 1221 1156
68. Dolan-Bowman, Zacharie QLD 4532505 885 2.0/9 3.51 962 742
69. Zhang, Raymond NSW 2408066 876 2.0/9 2.61 1030 810
70. Griggs, James SA 5205681 815 3.5/10 1.30 1137 1027
71. Eriksson, Caleb QLD 4528445 814 2.5/10 1.90 1070 877
72. Beilby, Kieton QLD 4167754 773 2.0/8 1.44 1040 847
73. Setiabudi, Allen ACT 1293546 643 4.0/11 1.43 964 862
74. Teichert, Ian VIC 2409013 524 1.5/9 1.53 794 521
75. McGowan, Shaun NSW 2405955 258 0.5/8 0.96 598 154
76. Emery, Angus VIC 1.5/9 981 708
77. Pretorius, Tredoux QLD 4176032 0.0/3 1177 178
78. Reed, Andrew QLD 0.0/7 934 0
79. Selvanathan, Arthavan QLD 4189561 1.5/8 994 743

Kevin Bonham
15-01-2006, 07:53 PM
Olympiad selection comments have been moved to thread for that purpose.

Altecman
16-01-2006, 04:05 PM
What an excellent game!

D.Stojic - Drew 1-0

Is that sarcasum?