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Spiny Norman
06-08-2005, 11:05 AM
A bit of self-indulgence ... posting my serious games ... comments and suggestions for improvement most welcome.

The first game features perhaps the most aggressive move I have ever played. I was up against a player rated ~1900 so had nothing to lose (except a Bishop on move 3!). For your endless amusement:

{White: Stephen Frost (1261) Black: Anon (1900+)}
1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Black sank deep into thought for 3-4 minutes here ... I later discovered that the Bishop's Opening is a favourite of his and he thought I was playing a sound psychological opening! 2. ... b5?! 3.Bxf7+!? Brave Sir Lancelot, bold as a lion! I figured that a positional struggle would be death by a thousand cuts. [3.Bxb5 c6 4.Ba4] 3...Kxf7 4.Qh5+ g6 [4...Ke6 5.Qf5+ Kd6 (5...Ke7? 6.Qxe5+ Kf7 7.Qd5+ Ke8 8.Qxa8+-) 6.d4! Kc6 (6...Qf6 7.dxe5+ Qxe5 8.Bf4+-; 6...Qe7 7.Nf3 g6 8.Qxe5+ Qxe5 9.Nxe5 Ke6 10.Nc3 Bb4 11.Bd2 c6) 7.Qxe5 d6 8.Qd5+ Kb6 9.a4! c6 10.Qb3;
4...Ke7 5.Qxe5+ Kf7 6.Qd5+ Ke8 7.Qxa8+-;
4...Kf6 5.Qf5+ Ke7 6.Qxe5+ Kf7 7.Qd5+ Ke8 8.Qxa8+-] 5.Qxe5 Nf6 6.Qxb5 [6.Nf3 d5 7.Qf4 dxe4 8.Ng5+ Kg7 9.Nxe4 Nxe4 10.Qxe4-+] 6...Bh6 7.Nc3 Qe7 8.Qe2?! [8.d4 Bxc1 (8...Nxe4 9.Qd5+ Qe6 10.Qxe6+ Kxe6 11.Nxe4) 9.Rxc1 c6 10.Qd3 Nxe4 11.Qxe4 Qxe4+ 12.Nxe4 Re8 13.f3 d5] 8...d6 9.d3 Bxc1 10.Rxc1 Nc6 11.h3 Rb8 12.Rb1 Nd4 13.Qd2 d5 14.Nge2 Nxe2 15.Qxe2 Re8 16.exd5? White was only thinking of swapping off, completely blind to the following crushing move [16.0-0 dxe4 (16...Bb7 17.f3 d4 18.Nd1) 17.dxe4 Nxe4 18.Qc4+ Kf8 19.Nxe4 Qxe4 20.Qxc7=] 16...Qb4! 17.Qxe8+ Kxe8 White's extra pawns will count for nought now. Black's material advantage is overwhelming, with two extra pieces to drive home an attack. 18.0-0 Bb7 White now tries to complicate matters by chasing the Black queen around (and the forlorn hope of trying to trap it) 19.Rfe1+ Kf8 20.Re6 Nxd5 21.a3 Qd4 22.Re4 Qf6 23.Nxd5? Bxd5 24.Ra4 Hoping to pick up a few pawns here and there. 24...Bxg2? 25.Kxg2 Rxb2?! [25...Qc6+ Forking king and rook, but doesn't work because of 26.Re4 but Black still wins easily with 26...Qxc2 27.Rbe1 Rxb2 28.Rf4+ Kg7 29.Re7+ Kh6 30.Ref7 Qc6+ 31.Kg3 Qd6] 26.Rxb2 Qxb2 27.Rxa7 White is trying to dodge the bullets from here onwards, due to the ever present danger of the queen forking the king and rook
27...Qxc2 28.Ra8+ Ke7 29.Rh8 Qc6+ 30.Kg1 h5 31.Rh7+ Kf8 32.a4 Qxa4 33.Rxc7 Qd1+ 34.Kg2 Qxd3 There's no safety now for the White rook (except for h7), so ... White resigns 0-1

Garvinator
06-08-2005, 02:13 PM
what was the time control for this game?

Spiny Norman
06-08-2005, 04:38 PM
what was the time control for this game?

60 mins + 15 seconds/move.

Garvinator
06-08-2005, 05:04 PM
60 mins + 15 seconds/move.
just have to be different to normal time controls hey ;) most tournaments use either 60/10 or 60/30. The 30 second time control means that you have to record all your moves.

Spiny Norman
06-08-2005, 06:01 PM
just have to be different to normal time controls hey ;) most tournaments use either 60/10 or 60/30. The 30 second time control means that you have to record all your moves.

Yeah, we might switch to 60/30 next year. We were originally going to make all our rated games 90/30 but the games run too late in the night for those of us with young kids who also want to play.

JaredF had a good win the other night, beating a 1300+ player. T'will be interesting to see what he gets as a first rating (either Sept or Dec 2005). I have to play him again next week. He beat me last time, so I owe him one.

Garvinator
06-08-2005, 06:36 PM
Yeah, we might switch to 60/30 next year. We were originally going to make all our rated games 90/30 but the games run too late in the night for those of us with young kids who also want to play.

JaredF had a good win the other night, beating a 1300+ player. T'will be interesting to see what he gets as a first rating (either Sept or Dec 2005). I have to play him again next week. He beat me last time, so I owe him one.
Our club up here runs tournaments during the year with different time controls, we use 60/10, 60/30, 30/60 and 90/30 for the club championships. 90/10 might even make an appearance next year dependant on the number of events.

The Box Hill system was even given a run this year and most likely will be used again later this year in another tournament.

Spiny Norman
06-08-2005, 06:49 PM
The Box Hill system was even given a run this year and most likely will be used again later this year in another tournament.
I'm interested in the Box Hill system myself ... but we don't (yet) have enough players to make it worthwhile even though the range of rankings is significant enough to justify having a look at it. In the current tournament we only have 15 participants, ranging from 2081 at the high end to 1200 at the low end. Our newest member is 2300+ but I doubt that he'll be a regular player in anything other than 1-night allegro or blitz comps.

ElevatorEscapee
07-08-2005, 09:59 PM
Um, maybe you could have saved some energy by resigning earlier ;)

Spiny Norman
08-08-2005, 08:07 AM
Um, maybe you could have saved some energy by resigning earlier ;)

Theoretically, yes ... but then again, I was enjoying playing a strong opponent, and I did manage to lure him into making one mistake (Bxg2?) so perhaps another might've been on the cards...

Spiny Norman
12-08-2005, 09:23 AM
Had to play my son last night. By the end we were both getting short on time (<3mins) so a draw was a reasonable outcome.

White: Jared Frost (unr)
Black: Stephen Frost (1261)
Opening: Sicilian Defence [B70]
The Kasparov (2005) (Round 2), 11/8/2005

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Bc4 Bg7 7.Bg5 0-0 8.Bb3 a6 9.Qd2 Nbd7 10.0-0-0 Nc5 11.f3 Nxb3+ 12.Nxb3 Be6 13.Nd5 Nxd5 14.exd5 Bd7 15.g4 f5 16.h3 Bf6 17.Bh6 Rf7 18.g5 Bh8 19.h4 Qc7 20.Rdg1 Rc8 21.h5 Be5 22.Rh4 e6 23.f4 Bg7 24.hxg6 hxg6 25.Bxg7 Rxg7 26.dxe6 Bxe6 27.Rgh1 Kf7 28.Rh8 Rxh8 29.Rxh8 Bxb3 30.axb3 Qc5 31.Qe2 Qg1+ 32.Qd1 Qxd1+ 33.Kxd1 Ke6 34.Ke2 Kd5 -

Spiny Norman
23-08-2005, 09:21 AM
Last Thursday's game. A Leningrad Dutch (one of my favourite defences with Black). I was particularly happy with the combination starting with Black's 25th move.

[Event "The Kasparov"]
[Site "Croydon Chess Club"]
[Date "2005.08.18"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Kloprogge, Ion"]
[Black "Frost, Stephen"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. d4 f5 2. c4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. e3 O-O 6. a4 a5 7. Be2 d6 8. h3 c6
9. O-O Qc7 10. Ra3 e5 11. dxe5 dxe5 12. c5 Rd8 13. Bc4+ Kh8 14. Qe2 h6 15. Nh4 Kh7 16. f4 exf4 17. exf4 Re8 18. Qf2 Be6 19. Bd3 Na6 20. Qg3 Qf7 21. Kh1 Nxc5 22. Bc2 Rad8 23. Nf3 Nh5 24. Qf2 Bc4 25. Rg1 Ne4 26. Nxe4 fxe4 27. Ne1 Bd4 28. Be3 Bxb2 29. Bb6 Bxa3 30. Bxd8 Rxd8 31. Bxe4 Qxf4 32. Qxf4 Nxf4 33. Nf3 Ne2 34.Bxg6+ Kxg6 35. Ra1 Ng3+ 36. Kh2 Bd6 37. Kg1 Bd5 38. Rb1 Bc5+ 39. Kh2 Bxf3 40. Kxg3 Rd3 41. gxf3 b6 42. Kf4 Rd4+ 43. Ke5 Rxa4 44. Ke6 Rf4 45. Rf1 a4 46. Ke5 Rf5+ 47. Ke4 a3 48. Kd3 Rd5+ 49. Kc3 Kf5 50. Kb3 Kf4 51. h4 Rd3+ 52. Ka2 Rd2+ 53. Kb3 a2 54. Ra1 Bd4 55. Rxa2 Rxa2 56. Kxa2 0-1

Spiny Norman
26-08-2005, 08:33 PM
Now a rather poor game from me. After my opponent ran around in circles in the opening (I still don't quite know what he was up to), I misplayed the middle game rather badly ... fortunate in the end to get the point (as I have mentioned in the "Draw Etiquette" thread).

I would certainly appreciate people's thoughts on how to handle the unusual Black opening a little better.

[White "Stephen Frost"] [WhiteACF "1261"] [Black "Charles Abrahams"] [BlackACF "1344"] [Event "The Kasparov 2005"] [Round "4"] [Date "25-08-2005"] 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e5 Ng4 4.h3 Nh6 5.Nc3 g6 6.d4 Nf5 7.Bc4 e6 8.Ne4 Bg7 9.g4 d5 10.Bb5+ Bd7 11.Bxd7+ Nxd7 12.Nxc5 Nxc5 13.dxc5 Ne7 14.Be3 Nc6 15.Bd4 0-0 16.g5 Qc7 17.c3 Nxe5 18.Qe2 Nxf3+ 19.Qxf3 e5 20.Qg3 Qe7 21.Be3 d4 22.Bd2 Qxc5 23.0-0 Rfe8 24.Rac1 e4 25.cxd4 Qxd4 26.Bc3 Qd5 27.Bxg7 Kxg7 28.Rfd1 Qe6 29.Rc7 Rad8 30.Rxd8 Rxd8 31.Qc3+ Kg8 32.Rxb7 Qf5 33.Qf6 Rd1+ 34.Kg2 Qxf6 35.gxf6 h5 36.Rxa7 Rd2 37.Ra8+ Kh7 38.Re8 Rxb2 39.a4 Ra2 40.Rxe4 g5 41.Rb4 Kg6 42.Kg3 Kxf6 43.Rb6+ Kg7 44.Ra6 f5 45.a5 h4+ 46.Kg2 g4 47.hxg4 fxg4 48.Ra7+ Kf6 49.Ra8 h3+ 50.Kg3 Kf5 51.Rf8+ Kg5 52.Rg8+ Kf5 53.Rf8+ Kg5 54.Rg8+ Kf5 55.Rxg4 Ra3+ 56.f3 Rxa5 57.Kxh3 Ra3 58.Kg3 Re3 59.Rg8 Re6 60.Rf8+ Kg6 61.Kg4 Kg7 62.Ra8 Rg6+ 63.Kf5 Rf6+ 64.Ke4 Re6+ 65.Kf4 Rf6+ 66.Ke3 Re6+ 67.Kf2 Kf6 68.Ra5 Re8 69.f4 Rf8 70.Kf3 Kg6 71.Kg4 Rf7 72.Rg5+ Kh6 73.Rh5+ Kg6 74.f5+ Kf6 75.Rh6+ Ke7 76.Re6+ Kd7 77.Kg5 Rg7+ 78.Kf6 Rg8 79.Kf7 Rg1 80.f6 Rf1 81.Re2 Rf4 82.Rd2+ Kc6 83.Kg6 Kc5 84.f7 Kc6 85.Kg7 Kc7 86.f8=Q Rxf8 87.Kxf8 1-0

PHAT
26-08-2005, 10:34 PM
Black is playing garbage in the opening. Let him!

4.h3 was a cheap shot that could have waited - just keep developing.

8.Ne4 Unnecessary. Just develop because he ain't got nothin'. Try 8.Bg5!

9.g4 Unless you INTENDED to 0-0-0 long, again just a waste of a move.

By move 13, you had allowed Black to swap off to an = development AND wreck you pawn structure.

Lesson: In the first 5 to 10 moves, your mission in the opening, unless it is tactically prevented, is to put every piece on a good square. If you opponent wants to play deformities, he will pay later. You do not have to punish his every sin on the very next move.

Garvinator
27-08-2005, 03:33 AM
I will add a bit more to this. with your opponent having put the knight on g4 and it really doesnt force you to do anything as it isnt directly attacking anything, that knight could become a liability for black if it stays there.

Instead of playing h3, you could have used that move to get on with developing another piece.

Spiny Norman
27-08-2005, 11:45 AM
sounds like good advice guys ... i don't know what came over me! ... in retrospect, my 13th was shocker. i think i should've captured the other knight with my g-pawn.

Spiny Norman
02-09-2005, 09:27 PM
OK, here's my horrible effort from last night. My choice of opening was poor from move 3 ... I made a major error at move 9 ... and went downhill from there in trying to create chances.

BUT ...

White also made a bad error on move 22 and if I had my wits about me I would've been right back in the game (or had a perpetual check). But after having spent half a dozen moves trying to sucker White into an error, when it arrived I didn't see it.

[White "Tony Waller"] [WhiteRating "1746"] [Black "Stephen Frost"] [BlackRating "1261"] [ECO "A50"] 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 b6 [better is d5 or Bb4] 4.e4 Bb7 5.Qc2 d5 6.cxd5 exd5 7.e5 Ne4 8.Bd3 Nxc3 9.bxc3 Nd7? I believe this was the critical error ... with c5 Black could still have contested the centre, not withstanding the fact that the pawn on h7 is en prise. [9...c5 10.Nf3 cxd4 11.cxd4 Bb4+ 12.Bd2 Bxd2+ 13.Nxd2 h6] 10.Bxh7 Qe7 11.Nf3 0-0-0? [11...g6 12.Bxg6 fxg6 13.Qxg6+ Qf7 leaves Black with an extra piece, but White has four (!) passed pawns on the king-side ... I think this favours White, but at least it would've given Black a chance to fight it out.] 12.Bd3 f6 13.0-0 g5 [13...fxe5 14.Bg5 Nf6 15.dxe5 d4 16.exf6 gxf6 17.Bf4 Bxf3 18.gxf3 would at least have given me some attacking chances.] 14.exf6 Qd6 15.Bxg5 Nxf6 16.Ne5 Bh6? [16...Bg7 17.Nf7 Qf8 18.Nxd8 Qxd8 19.Bf5+ Kb8 20.Rae1] 17.Bxf6 Qxf6 18.Bf5+ Kb8 19.Nd7+ Rxd7 20.Bxd7 Bf4 21.h3 Qg7 22.Bg4? Bc8 [Black misses a chance to save the game with ... 22...Qxg4!] 23.Bxc8 Kxc8 24.Qf5+ Kb8 25.Qxf4 Rxh3 26.Rfe1 Rh8 27.Re3 1-0

Spiny Norman
14-10-2005, 07:35 PM
Round 1 of the 2005 Club Championship:

[White "Stephen Frost"][WhiteACF "1360"][Black "Charles Abrahams"][BlackACF "1443"][ECO "B20"]
1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nc6 3.Nf3 e5 4.d4 cxd4 5.cxd4 Nf6 6.d5 Ne7 7.Nc3 Ng6 8.Be2 Bb4 9.Qa4 Bxc3+ 10.bxc3 0-0 11.Bg5 d6 12.0-0 Bd7 13.Qb4 Qc7 14.Bxf6 gxf6 15.Nd2 a5 16.Qc4 Qxc4 17.Bxc4?! b5 18.Be2 Nf4 19.Bf3 Rac8 20.a4!? bxa4 21.c4 Nd3 22.Rfb1 Nb4? [22...Rb8 23.Bd1 Rb4;
22...Nc5 23.Rb6] 23.Bd1 f5 24.Bxa4 Bxa4 25.Rxa4 fxe4 26.Rxa5 Nd3 27.Nxe4 Rxc4 28.Nxd6 Rc1+? 29.Rxc1 Nxc1 30.Nf5 Rb8 31.h3 Ne2+ 32.Kh2 Kf8 33.d6 Nd4 34.Nxd4 exd4 35.Rd5 Ke8 36.Rxd4 Kd7 37.Kg3 Rg8+ 38.Kf3 Rg6 39.g3 Re6 40.Rd2 h6 41.Kg4 Re5 42.Rd3 Rg5+ 43.Kf4 f6 44.h4 Re5 45.g4 Rc5 46.Kg3 h5 47.f3 hxg4 48.fxg4 Rc8 49.Rf3 Ke6 50.d7 Rd8 51.Re3+ Kf7 52.Rd3 Ke7 53.Kf4 Kf7 54.Kf5 Kg7 55.Ke6 1-0

Spiny Norman
22-10-2005, 01:23 PM
Round 2 of the 2005 Club Championship:

[White "Stephen Frost"][WhiteACF "1360"][Black "Mike Smith"][BlackACF "1378"][ECO "B22"]
1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nc6 3. d4 e6 4. Nf3 f5 5. exf5 exf5 6. d5 Na5 7. Qe2+ Qe7 8. Bg5 Qxe2+ 9. Bxe2 h6 10. Bd2 c4 11. Ne5 b5 12. Bh5+ Kd8 13. Nf7+ Kc7 14. Nxh8 Nf6 15. Bf3 Bd6 16. Nf7 Bb7 17. Nxd6 Kxd6 18. Bf4+ Kc5 19. O-O Re8 20. Na3 g5 21. Be3+ Kd6 22. Nxb5+ Ke7 23. d6+ Kf7 24. Bxb7 Nxb7 25. Bxa7 Nd5 26. Nc7 Re5 27. Nxd5 Rxd5 28. Bb8 Nc5 29. Rfe1 Nd3 30. Re7+ Kg6 31. a4 Nxb2 32. Rxd7 Nxa4 33. Rc7 Nb6 34. Rc6 Nd7 35. Bc7 Ne5 36. Rca6 Kf6 37. d7+ Ke7 38. Bxe5 Rxd7 39. Bd4 Rd8 40. Re1+ Kf7 41. Rxh6 1-0

Spiny Norman
29-10-2005, 09:52 AM
Round 3 of the 2005 Club Championship. Once again, my son did me no favours. I think I am going to have to face the fact that I am likely to continue losing to him for the rest of my life. :doh: My blunder on move 29 was the result of having been under pressure for most of the middlegame, so that goes to Jared's credit too.


[Date "2005.10.27"]
[White "Jared Frost"]
[Black "Stephen Frost"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B01"]
[BlackElo "1360"]
[PlyCount "61"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. d4 Bg4 4. Be2 Bxe2 5. Qxe2 Nxd5 6. c4 Nb6 7. Nf3 e6 8. O-O Be7 9. Nc3 O-O 10. Be3 c6 11. Rfd1 Bf6 12. Rd2 Qc7 13. Rad1 Na6 14. a3 Rad8 15. b3 Qe7 16. b4 Nc7 17. Ne4 Nd7 18. Nxf6+ Nxf6 19. Bg5 h6 20. Bxf6 Qxf6 21. Qe5 Qe7 22. d5 Rd6 23. dxc6 Rxc6 24. Rd7 Qf6 25. Qxf6 gxf6 26. c5 Rc8 27. Re7 Re8 28. Rdd7 Rxe7 29. Rxe7 b6 30. Nd4 Nd5 31. Re8+ 1-0

Rincewind
29-10-2005, 10:07 AM
Nice game by young Jared. At the end the plan had to be Kf8 I think. Followed by Ke8 chasing the rook off the 7th rank. Then you can get Nd5 in and look for moves like b6. I think your weak h-pawn and 3-2 minority on the queen side was still going to give you a difficult endgame position though. But if you could activate your rook quickly enough you might get enough counterplay to hold with some help from your opponent. There might be a tempo to be picked up owing to white's weakened 1st rank.

Anyway, good fighting chess by both players. :clap:

Spiny Norman
29-10-2005, 10:30 AM
Nice game by young Jared. At the end the plan had to be Kf8 I think. Followed by Ke8 chasing the rook off the 7th rank. Then you can get Nd5 in and look for moves like b6.

That was my assessment too, post-game, but all too late for me and my championship prospects (not to mention my ego!). ;)

I also think that, not withstanding its "inventiveness", my Rd6 move was flawed (I thought for about 10 minutes before retreating my queen to e7 and then the Rd6). I now think I should've swapped off after Qe5 with QxQ, even though white gets a better grip on the position. I could've swapped off a pair of rooks and brought the remaining one to c8 to defend the knight.


I think your weak h-pawn and 3-2 minority on the queen side was still going to give you a difficult endgame position though. But if you could activate your rook quickly enough you might get enough counterplay to hold with some help from your opponent. There might be a tempo to be picked up owing to white's weakened 1st rank.

Anyway, good fighting chess by both players. :clap:

Yes, it was a good fight. I was interested in getting into a full on Portuguese variation and gambiting some pawns ... but the trouble with having an opponent who shares a house with you is that Jared is reading my opening theory books when I'm not looking. They keep disappearing into his room and not coming back. I think I might have to build up a "secret stash" of them at work. :eek:

Spiny Norman
03-11-2005, 11:02 PM
Round 4 of the 2005 Club Championship. Played one fairly poorly conceived idea in 14.Qb1 when the simple and stronger 14.Qd3 was required. After that I was chasing to keep up and I drifted into more and more trouble.


[Date "2005.11.03"]
[White "Stephen Frost"]
[Black "Tony Waller"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B22"]
[WhiteElo "1360"]
[BlackElo "1703"]
[PlyCount "100"]

1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.d4 Nc6 5.Bc4 e6 6.Nf3 cxd4 7.cxd4 Nb6 8.Bb3 d5 9.0-0 Be7 10.Nc3 0-0 11.Be3 Bd7 12.a3 Na5 13.Bc2 Nac4 14.Qb1 h6 15.Ne2 Nxe3 16.fxe3 Nc4 17.Kf2 Rc8 18.b4 a5 19.Bd3 axb4 20.axb4 Qb6 21.b5 Qxb5 22.Qxb5 Bxb5 23.Nc3 Ba6 24.Rfc1 Rc6 25.Ke2 Rfc8 26.Nd2 Bb4 27.Nxc4 Bxc4 28.Bxc4 Rxc4 29.Na2 Rxc1 30.Rxc1 Rxc1 31.Nxc1 Kf8 32.Kd3 Ke8 33.Na2 Ba5 34.Nc1 Kd7 35.Nb3 Bb4 36.e4 Kc6 37.exd5+ Kxd5 38.Na1 Ba5 39.Nc2 b5 40.Ne3+ Kc6 41.Nc2 f5 42.Na1 Kd5 43.Nc2 f4 44.Na1 g5 45.Nc2 b4 46.g3 b3 47.Na3 Bb4 48.Nb5 f3 49.Nc7+ Kc6 50.Nxe6 f2 0-1

Spiny Norman
10-11-2005, 11:43 PM
A real heartbreaking loss tonight. I had my higher-rated opponent on the ropes (a piece down) after he miscalculated badly on move 6 and I managed to find strong moves ... but then several bad blunders and it was all over. :doh:

[Date "2005.11.10"][White "Douglas Stones"][Black "Stephen Frost"][Result "1-0"][ECO "B00"][WhiteElo "1641"][BlackElo "1360"][PlyCount "45"]
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.Nf3 Bg4 4.Bc4 Nxd5 5.Nc3 Nxc3 6.Ne5? Qd4!
7.Qxg4 Qxe5+ 8.Kf1 f5! 9.Qf3 Ne4 10.d3 Nd6 {10.Qc5 is probably better} 11.Bf4 Qxb2! 12.Bxd6 Qxa1+
13.Ke2 Qf6? 14.Qxb7 Qxd6? {14...exd6} 15.Qc8+! Qd8 16.Bf7+! Kxf7 17.Qxd8 e6
18.Rb1 g6? 19.Rxb8 Bg7? 20.Qxc7+ Kf6 21.Rb7 Rhg8 22.f4 g5 23.Qf7# 1-0

Spiny Norman
17-11-2005, 10:52 PM
A much better game from me against a guy rated ~750 pts higher ... I almost thought I was going to escape with a draw.

[Date "2005.11.17"][White "Stephen Frost"][Black "N.Y.Wong"][Result "0-1"][ECO "A00"][WhiteElo "1360"][BlackElo "2106"][PlyCount "92"]
1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 g6 3.d4 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 Bg4 7.0-0 Nbd7 8.Be3 c6 9.Qd2 e5 10.dxe5 dxe5 11.Rfd1 Qe7 12.h3 Bxf3 13.Bxf3 Rfd8 14.Qc2 b6 15.Rd2 Nf8 16.Rad1 Ne6 17.Ne2 Rxd2 18.Rxd2 Rd8 19.Rxd8+ Qxd8 20.Qd2 Qc7 21.Ng3 Bf8 22.Bg4 Nxg4 23.hxg4 Bc5 24.Bxc5 Nxc5 25.f3 Qd7 26.Qxd7 Nxd7 27.Ne2 a5 28.Kf2 Kf8 29.Ke3 Ke7 30.g5 Kd6 31.Kd3? Nc5+ 32.Kc2 Ne6 33.Kc3 Nxg5 34.b4 h5 35.bxa5 bxa5 36.Nc1 h4 37.Nb3? a4 38.c5+! Kc7 39.Nd2 Ne6 40.Nc4 f6 41.Kb4 Nf4 42.Ne3 Nxg2! 43.Ng4 h3 44.Kxa4 Ne1 45.Nh2 g5 46.Kb3 Nxf3! 0-1

Kevin Bonham
19-11-2005, 12:31 AM
Good try. Typical example of what happens when a strong player is given an unexpectedly hard time by someone with a much lower rating: strong player waits for the endgame. I think your position was OK on move 29 but 30.g5 overextends. It is only a matter of time before Black gangs up on it and then you will struggle to defend it without either getting your knight tied down or pawn structure concessions.

Spiny Norman
19-11-2005, 12:47 PM
Good try. Typical example of what happens when a strong player is given an unexpectedly hard time by someone with a much lower rating: strong player waits for the endgame. I think your position was OK on move 29 but 30.g5 overextends. It is only a matter of time before Black gangs up on it and then you will struggle to defend it without either getting your knight tied down or pawn structure concessions.

Yes, 30.g5 wasn't good ... but I think the there was an earlier oversight ... I should probably have played 27.b4 instead of 27.Ne2.

I also missed a resource later ... 35.c5+

Spiny Norman
24-11-2005, 11:38 PM
Back on the winner's list, finally ... my opponent lost on time whilst in a slightly inferior position. Finished the tournament with 3/7.

[Date "2005.11.24"][White "Marek Gabrys"][Black "Stephen Frost"][Result "1-0"][ECO "A00"][WhiteElo "1095"][BlackElo "1360"][PlyCount "106"]
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.e3 cxd4 4.exd4 g6 5.Nf3 Bg7 6.Be3 0-0 7.Be2 d6 8.Nc3 Nbd7 9.Qd2 Ng4 10.0-0 Nxe3 11.Qxe3 Nf6 12.h3 b6 13.Rac1 Bb7 14.d5 Ba6 15.b3 Nd7 16.Ne4 Nc5 17.Nxc5 bxc5 18.Qd3 Bc8 19.Qd1 Bd7 20.Re1 Bf5 21.Nh4 Bd7 22.Bd3 a5 23.a4 Re8 24.Nf3 Rb8 25.Rb1 Qc8 26.Be2 Bf5 27.Bd3 Bd7 28.Qc2 Rb4 29.Qe2 Bf6 30.Nd2 Qc7 31.Bc2 Kf8 32.Ne4 Bg7 33.Qf3 h6 34.Nd2 Kg8 35.Ne4 Rbb8 36.Nc3 Bxc3 37.Qxc3 Rb4 38.Qg3 Kh7 39.Re3 Qd8 40.Rbe1 Rb7 41.Qh4 e5 42.Qxd8 Rxd8 43.Rf3 f5 44.Rg3 Bc8 45.h4 Kg7 46.h5 g5 47.Rc3 Kf6 48.f3 f4 49.Bg6 Bf5 50.Bxf5 Kxf5 51.Kf2 Rg8 52.g4+ fxg3+ 53.Kxg3 g4 {White lost on time} 0-1

Spiny Norman
09-02-2006, 08:11 PM
A much better game from me against a guy rated ~750 pts higher ... I almost thought I was going to escape with a draw.
"The guy" is my coach ... and his coaching is working ... I beat him tonight. 700 pt rating differential (mind you, I didn't "overrun him" ... he made a mistake and I jumped on it.
Unfortunately not a rated game. I've probably fired the only shot in my locker. :doh:

Spiny Norman
08-04-2006, 07:32 PM
My games are now being posted at my personal website:

www.frostbyte.com.au

(not that I think anyone is particularly interested!).

Spiny Norman
01-06-2007, 02:55 PM
My game from last night:

[Event "The Morphy (2007)"]
[Site "Croydon Chess Club"]
[Date "31/05/2007"]
[Round "1"]
[White "A.N.Other"]
[Black "Stephen Frost"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C55"]
[WhiteElo ""]
[BlackElo "1566"]
[PlyCount "100"]

1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Nf3 Be7 5.a3 d6 6.d3 Na5 7.Bd5 c6 8.Ba2 b5 {from here I was wanting to play a6, c5, Nc6 and get a more Lopez-style position}
9.h3 a6 10.0-0 c5 11.Ng5 0-0 12.Bxf7+ Rxf7 13.Nxf7 Kxf7 {I spent some time analysing this position, as there is material imbalance and I hoped that my two pieces VS a rook+pawn would be helpful in the middlegame ... but it didn't quite turn out that way} 14.Qf3 Nc6 15.Ne2 Kg8
16.Qg3 Be6 17.f4 Nh5 18.Qh2 exf4 19.Bxf4 {another long think here. what is going to be more useful? the two bishops, or ... ?} Nxf4 20.Nxf4 {I decided retreating the bishop would be too passive. if White takes on e6, I planned Be7-f6-d4-or-e5} Qd7 21.c3 Bf6 22.Qg3 Be5
23.Rf2 Rf8 24.Raf1 Bxf4 25.Rxf4 Rxf4 26.Rxf4 Ne5 27.d4 cxd4 28.cxd4 Ng6
29.Rf2 Qe7 {I think Qc7 would have been more active, not sure why I preferred Qe7 at the time!} 30.Qc3 {my 3rd or 4th "long think" here. I don't want White to play Qc6 if possible. My new plan was to bring the bishop (eventually) to g6, Ng6-f8-d7-f6, and pile up pressure on White's centre pawns} Bd7 31.Qc2 Nf8 32.b4 Be8 33.Rf3 Nd7 34.Rf4 Nf6 35.g4 h6
36.Kg2 Bg6 37.Kf3 {my plan accomplished, I wanted to take on e4, but couldn't see a way to make it work at the board. Fritz says it wins, after exchanges, because I have Qf8, but I didn't see that. So I settled for a 2nd pin, which adds huge tension to the centre} Qb7 38.Qb3+ {I was under 5 minutes on the clock by now} Bf7 39.Qc2 Bg6 40.h4 {at last White cracks} d5! 41.Qc5 Bxe4+ 42.Kg3 Qf7
43.Rf5? Bxf5 44.gxf5?? Ne4+ 45.Kf4 Nxc5 46.dxc5 Qc7+ 47.Ke3 Kf7 48.Kd4 Qc6
49.Ke5 g5 50.fxg6+ Kxg6 0-1

MichaelBaron
02-06-2007, 12:51 AM
My game from last night:

[Event "The Morphy (2007)"]
[Site "Croydon Chess Club"]
[Date "31/05/2007"]
[Round "1"]
[White "A.N.Other"]
[Black "Stephen Frost"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C55"]
[WhiteElo ""]
[BlackElo "1566"]
[PlyCount "100"]

1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Nf3 Be7 5.a3 d6 6.d3 Na5 7.Bd5 c6 8.Ba2 b5 {from here I was wanting to play a6, c5, Nc6 and get a more Lopez-style position}
9.h3 a6 10.0-0 c5 11.Ng5 0-0 12.Bxf7+ Rxf7 13.Nxf7 Kxf7 {I spent some time analysing this position, as there is material imbalance and I hoped that my two pieces VS a rook+pawn would be helpful in the middlegame ... but it didn't quite turn out that way} 14.Qf3 Nc6 15.Ne2 Kg8
16.Qg3 Be6 17.f4 Nh5 18.Qh2 exf4 19.Bxf4 {another long think here. what is going to be more useful? the two bishops, or ... ?} Nxf4 20.Nxf4 {I decided retreating the bishop would be too passive. if White takes on e6, I planned Be7-f6-d4-or-e5} Qd7 21.c3 Bf6 22.Qg3 Be5
23.Rf2 Rf8 24.Raf1 Bxf4 25.Rxf4 Rxf4 26.Rxf4 Ne5 27.d4 cxd4 28.cxd4 Ng6
29.Rf2 Qe7 {I think Qc7 would have been more active, not sure why I preferred Qe7 at the time!} 30.Qc3 {my 3rd or 4th "long think" here. I don't want White to play Qc6 if possible. My new plan was to bring the bishop (eventually) to g6, Ng6-f8-d7-f6, and pile up pressure on White's centre pawns} Bd7 31.Qc2 Nf8 32.b4 Be8 33.Rf3 Nd7 34.Rf4 Nf6 35.g4 h6
36.Kg2 Bg6 37.Kf3 {my plan accomplished, I wanted to take on e4, but couldn't see a way to make it work at the board. Fritz says it wins, after exchanges, because I have Qf8, but I didn't see that. So I settled for a 2nd pin, which adds huge tension to the centre} Qb7 38.Qb3+ {I was under 5 minutes on the clock by now} Bf7 39.Qc2 Bg6 40.h4 {at last White cracks} d5! 41.Qc5 Bxe4+ 42.Kg3 Qf7
43.Rf5? Bxf5 44.gxf5?? Ne4+ 45.Kf4 Nxc5 46.dxc5 Qc7+ 47.Ke3 Kf7 48.Kd4 Qc6
49.Ke5 g5 50.fxg6+ Kxg6 0-1

Good manoovering by Frosty :clap:

This game is a good illustration why the f7 "exchange that is so popular amonng the club level players is not good for white. In most positions, two pieces are better than a rook and a pawn.

Spiny Norman
02-06-2007, 08:40 AM
Thanks for the kind words Michael. As a junior, I would have taken the White side of that exchange myself, thinking that opening a file and having "an extra rook" was in my favour. But I remembered my coach telling me that in the middlegame the two pieces will often prove superior to the one rook, so decided to give that a try. I was glad it worked. My opponent was rated ~1000 by the way, and I think he played much better than that for much of the game ... I was really sweating on the position right up until he dropped his rook!

CameronD
02-06-2007, 11:20 AM
Dont understand why white didn't attempt a repetition in a weak position. Also think blacks bishop pair was nasty and white should have exchanged it with a knight earlier. Very educational endgame by Frosty in using two minor pieces V Rook.

Aaron Guthrie
02-06-2007, 11:54 AM
There is a similar thing in the Sicilian. They take on e6 with the Bish, then after Nxe6 they fork the Queen and Rook. In this case they get 2 pawns and a Rook for their two pieces, but it is still bad. It is worth noting the pieces they are trading off are pieces which (if all goes well) are strong pieces that can participate in a future attack.

Basil
02-06-2007, 01:55 PM
There is a similar thing in the Sicilian.
Shouldn't you just make this your signature, Aaron? ;)

Spiny Norman
08-06-2007, 07:24 AM
Here is my game from last night, against a 1398? rated chap. I'm playing White. General synopsis of the game:
-- Black offers a pawn early
-- White accepts (he who grabs a pawn and runs away wins the endgame - if he doesn't get mated in between!)
-- Black develops nasty pressure against White's queenside castled position by using his two bishops very effectively
-- White absorbs the pressure and gradually recovers the initiative
-- Black makes a mistake and White wins a second pawn
-- White trades down to a rook+pawns endgame with a 1-pawn advantage on each wing
-- White trades to a 2-pawn advantage on one wing by allowing liquidation of the kingside pawns
-- White forces the win of a third pawn

Whilst very happy with my play, I suspect it was not always entirely accurate, but need to have a bit of a look with Fritz to be sure. What was "good" was that I am now thinking more in terms of mini-plans (e.g. what is necessary for me to get a rook to e4, etc) which, I suppose, means that I am gradually thinking in a way that is less dominated by tactics and has more positional consideration to it. Anyway, here's the game:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.d3 h6 5.Bxc6 dxc6 6.Nxe5 Bd6 7.Nf3 0-0 8.Nc3 Ng4 9.h3 Ne5 10.Be3 f5! {Good choice by Black I think ... f4 becomes a threat} 11.Nxe5 Bxe5 12.exf5 Bxf5 13.Qd2 Qf6 14.0-0-0 Be6 15.Kb1 b5 16.Ne4 Qf7 {I was very concerned about Black's pressure here, but decided to play b3 ... yes, it creates some horrible black square weaknesses, but my intention was to bring my bishop via c5-a3-b2 to neutralise the pressure as much as possible. As it turns out, this wasn't necessary.} 17.b3 Rfd8 18.f4 Bd4 19.Bxd4 Rxd4 20.Qc3 Rad8 21.Rhf1 Bf5 22.Rde1 b4? 23.Qxc6 Bxe4 24.Rxe4 R4d6 25.Qc4 a5 26.Qxf7+ Kxf7 27.Rfe1 Kf6 28.Re5 Rd5 29.Kc1 g5 30.fxg5+ hxg5 31.Rxd5 Rxd5 32.Re4 Rf5 33.h4 Rf1+ 34.Kb2 Rg1 35.hxg5+ Kxg5 {With the kingside pawns going, White can force the win of another pawn} 36.Re5+ Kf6 37.Rxa5 Rxg2 38.Rc5 {after Rg7 white can play Rc4 and the third pawn falls} 1-0

Capablanca-Fan
08-06-2007, 08:26 AM
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.d3

4. 0-0 is usual.


4... h6?

Just loses a pawn.


5.Bxc6 dxc6 6.Nxe5 Bd6 7.Nf3 0-0 8.Nc3

I prefer 0-0 till I know where I want the N. E.g. Nbd2 might be better to reinforce the K-side, to consolidate for a while.


8... Ng4 9.h3 Ne5 10.Be3 f5! {Good choice by Black I think ... f4 becomes a threat} 11.Nxe5 Bxe5 12.exf5 Bxf5 13.Qd2 Qf6 14.0-0-0

Castling long unbalances the game, therefore it's in Black's favour. White is a pawn up, so should try to minimize other imbalances, and play solidly for the endgame. Opposite-side castling is often decided by who gets there first, so White's pawn-up advantage is less important.


14... Be6 15.Kb1 b5 16.Ne4 Qf7 {I was very concerned about Black's pressure here, but decided to play b3 ... yes, it creates some horrible black square weaknesses, but my intention was to bring my bishop via c5-a3-b2 to neutralise the pressure as much as possible. As it turns out, this wasn't necessary.}

I would be concerned too. Black could have thrown forward his a-pawn. Then it's messy. If White swaps the N for the dark-squared B, the Bs of opposite colour would help the attacking side, as well as reduce White's winning chance in the endgame.


17.b3 Rfd8 18.f4 Bd4 19.Bxd4 Rxd4 20.Qc3 Rad8 21.Rhf1 Bf5 22.Rde1 b4? 23.Qxc6 Bxe4 24.Rxe4 R4d6 25.Qc4 a5 26.Qxf7+ Kxf7 27.Rfe1 Kf6 28.Re5 Rd5 29.Kc1 g5 30.fxg5+ hxg5 31.Rxd5 Rxd5 32.Re4 Rf5 33.h4 Rf1+ 34.Kb2 Rg1 35.hxg5+ Kxg5 {With the kingside pawns going, White can force the win of another pawn} 36.Re5+ Kf6 37.Rxa5 Rxg2 38.Rc5 {after Rg7 white can play Rc4 and the third pawn falls} 1-0

Black had no chance in the endgame.

Capablanca-Fan
08-06-2007, 08:38 AM
1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Nf3 Be7

Try 4... Nxe4 5. Nxe4 d5 with a good game.


5.a3 d6 6.d3 Na5

This just misplaces the N, and makes White's passive a3 into a good move.


7.Bd5

Surely 7. Ba2 makes more sense, keeping the B.


7... c6

Taking the B makes more sense.


8.Ba2 b5 {from here I was wanting to play a6, c5, Nc6 and get a more Lopez-style position}
9.h3 a6 10.0-0 c5 11.Ng5 0-0 12.Bxf7+ Rxf7 13.Nxf7 Kxf7 {I spent some time analysing this position, as there is material imbalance and I hoped that my two pieces VS a rook+pawn would be helpful in the middlegame ... but it didn't quite turn out that way}

This is seriously wrong for White. There are no open files for the R, and the extra pawn plays a small part, while Black's minors have much more play in the middlegame. So Black should be trying to make sure that the Rs have no open files, or at least cover all entry points on them, and create outposts for the minors. Fixed pawns can be good when Black can gang up on them with two minors. Black eventually did this good work, but it would have been even better with more pieces on the board.


14.Qf3 Nc6 15.Ne2 Kg8 16.Qg3 Be6 17.f4 Nh5 18.Qh2 exf4 19.Bxf4 {another long think here. what is going to be more useful? the two bishops, or ... ?}

In most cases, and I think this one, the two bishops.


19... Nxf4 20.Nxf4 {I decided retreating the bishop would be too passive. if White takes on e6, I planned Be7-f6-d4-or-e5}

Why passive? The advantage of the bishop is that it functions well from a distance.

Spiny Norman
08-06-2007, 08:42 AM
Thanks for the comments Jono, much appreciated. I'm particularly interested in two of them (from the 2nd game):

1. holding back on Nc3 and instead playing O-O ... I considered that at the time, but if I castle and Black plays Bg4 then it seems that I have to endure the pin (pushing with h3 would make me very uncomfortable, as black's already got one bishop aimed at my king). would you just say "pin be damned" and absorb the space restriction?

2. instead of castling queenside, what would be your plan from there? either castle kingside, or leave the king in the centre? i rejected O-O because i felt that the two bishops bearing down on h2 and h3, combined with the half-open f-file was just asking for a sac on h3 or similar.

If there's any further light you can shed on your ideas, I'd appreciate it. I do agree that my O-O-O unbalanced the game. Perhaps it was a bit risky/unnecessary!

Capablanca-Fan
08-06-2007, 09:05 AM
Thanks for the comments Jono, much appreciated. I'm particularly interested in two of them (from the 2nd game):

1. holding back on Nc3 and instead playing O-O ... I considered that at the time, but if I castle and Black plays Bg4 then it seems that I have to endure the pin (pushing with h3 would make me very uncomfortable, as black's already got one bishop aimed at my king). would you just say "pin be damned" and absorb the space restriction?

You're welcome. The pin won't be too burdensome because you would kick it with Nd2-f1/c4-e3, or h3 then Nd2-f1-g3. h3 won't be too problematic because the B has to retreat to h5, and with same-castling, there is less danger of a pawn storm. Also, note that only one of Black's pieces can go to g4 at a time!


2. instead of castling queenside, what would be your plan from there? either castle kingside, or leave the king in the centre? i rejected O-O because i felt that the two bishops bearing down on h2 and h3, combined with the half-open f-file was just asking for a sac on h3 or similar.

Hmm, good question. If at all possible, hold out on e4 and maybe arrange f4 for yourself if it can be done safely.


If there's any further light you can shed on your ideas, I'd appreciate it. I do agree that my O-O-O unbalanced the game. Perhaps it was a bit risky/unnecessary!

As a general rule, if you have an advantage, try to avoid going into positions where this advantage is less relevant. Similarly, it can be good to exchange pieces that are not relevant to this advantage, which in this case means just about any piece, as you did eventually.

Spiny Norman
28-06-2007, 11:54 PM
Had a "grandmaster draw" tonight, but first here's a win from last week:

White: Frosty (1566)
Black: A.N.Other (1234)

1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 Nb6 5.f4 g6 6.Nf3 Bg7 7.Nc3 0-0 8.Be3 c6 9.Be2 d5 10.c5 Nc4 11.Bc1 b6 12.b3 Na5 13.b4 Nc4 14.a4 Bf5 15.Qb3 Be6 16.0-0 h6 17.Nd2 Ne3 18.Rf3 Nf5 19.Rd3 h5 20.Nf3 f6 21.Be3 Nxe3 22.Rxe3 Nd7 23.Bd3 fxe5 24.fxe5 Bf5 25.Bxf5 Rxf5 26.Ne2 e6 27.Ng3 Rf8 28.Qd3 Qe8 29.Re2 Bh6 30.Rc2 Kg7 31.Ra3 Rf4 32.Ne2 Re4 33.Rac3 Qf7 34.cxb6 Nxb6 {Black lost on time here} 1-0

I wasn't very happy with my play in that game. I think positionally it was a bit ordinary on my part. But this week I had a somewhat tougher task, playing the tournament winner:

White: A.N.Other (1787)
Black: Frosty (1566)

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.c4 b6 4.e3 Bb7 5.Bd3 Be7 6.0-0 0-0 7.Nc3 d5 8.cxd5 Nxd5 9.Qe2 Nd7 10.Rd1 Nxc3 11.bxc3 c6 12.a4 Qc7 13.Ba3 c5! 14.Nd2 Rfe8 15.Ne4 c4?! 16.Bc2 Nf6 17.Nxf6+ Bxf6 18.e4 Rac8 &#189;-&#189;

There's still quite a bit of play left in that position ... White should probably play 19.a5 ...but my draw offer was just a tad psychological (White needed just a draw to win the tournament, and had <20 mins on the clock to my 28 minutes).

Capablanca-Fan
29-06-2007, 12:59 AM
Had a "grandmaster draw" tonight, but first here's a win from last week:

White: Frosty (1566)
Black: A.N.Other (1234)

1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 Nb6 5.f4 g6 6.Nf3 Bg7 7.Nc3 0-0 8.Be3 c6 9.Be2 d5 10.c5 Nc4 11.Bc1 b6 12.b3 Na5 13.b4 Nc4 14.a4 Bf5 15.Qb3 Be6 16.0-0 h6 17.Nd2 Ne3 18.Rf3 Nf5 19.Rd3 h5 20.Nf3 f6 21.Be3 Nxe3 22.Rxe3 Nd7 23.Bd3 fxe5 24.fxe5 Bf5 25.Bxf5 Rxf5 26.Ne2 e6 27.Ng3 Rf8 28.Qd3 Qe8 29.Re2 Bh6 30.Rc2 Kg7 31.Ra3 Rf4 32.Ne2 Re4 33.Rac3 Qf7 34.cxb6 Nxb6 {Black lost on time here} 1-0

I wasn't very happy with my play in that game. I think positionally it was a bit ordinary on my part.

Yeah, it didn't seem like White had much for a while. 21. Be3 didn't look right, because this was a case of a bad bishop with a useful function of discouraging pawn breaks. Instead of 10.c5, cxd5 is possible although not so common see an old NZ Champs game of mine (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1450776), where my opponent occupied strong squares on d5 and b4 but they were no use to him.


But this week I had a somewhat tougher task, playing the tournament winner:

White: A.N.Other (1787)
Black: Frosty (1566)

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.c4 b6 4.e3 Bb7 5.Bd3 Be7 6.0-0 0-0 7.Nc3 d5 8.cxd5 Nxd5 9.Qe2 Nd7 10.Rd1 Nxc3 11.bxc3 c6 12.a4 Qc7 13.Ba3 c5! 14.Nd2 Rfe8 15.Ne4 c4?! 16.Bc2 Nf6 17.Nxf6+ Bxf6 18.e4 Rac8 -

There's still quite a bit of play left in that position ... White should probably play 19.a5 ...but my draw offer was just a tad psychological (White needed just a draw to win the tournament, and had <20 mins on the clock to my 28 minutes).

Can't say I blame you, with Black and >200 rating points less; I'd probably have done the same against someone who outrated me by that much. 8...exd5 and possibly ...c5 was more agressive, since White is not well placed with the passive e3.

Spiny Norman
29-06-2007, 07:31 AM
Jono, that game you mentioned against Russell Dive serves to demonstrate well the gap between 'master level' players and 'the rest' in my opinion. I would *never* have dared to saddle myself with a weak d4-pawn because it looks so horribly anti-positional ... and yet, once you put your knight on d6 the file is closed and Black really doesn't have much as you pointed out. I find stuff like that inspiring, but I confess to not understanding how one arrives at such a decision over the board!

Capablanca-Fan
29-06-2007, 12:26 PM
Jono, that game you mentioned against Russell Dive serves to demonstrate well the gap between 'master level' players and 'the rest' in my opinion. I would *never* have dared to saddle myself with a weak d4-pawn because it looks so horribly anti-positional ... and yet, once you put your knight on d6 the file is closed and Black really doesn't have much as you pointed out. I find stuff like that inspiring, but I confess to not understanding how one arrives at such a decision over the board!

Thanx Frosty. I don't want to give the impression that one should ignore considerations of backward pawns and weak squares. However, in this case, the weak square is in the opponent's half of the board, and an enemy piece occupying it is not influencing the board where it really matters. Note that while a N occupies it, it shields the pawn from frontal assault.

This was revolutionary when Capa played 15 ...c5 in his famous game against O. Bernstein in 1914 (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1261680), but not so revolutionary when Fischer adopted the same strategy against Bertok in 1962 (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1008412) and Short against Timman 1993 (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1124581). And one of the most famous examples of a backward pawn shielded by an advanced pawn was Lasker against Capa 1914 (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1258181). However, a sober analysis as opposed to "annotating by result" shows that Capa could have prevented the N reaching e6 by 13 ...Bxf4 14.Rxf4 Rd8/c5, when Black is OK.

On reflection about your game, I think standing firm with b3 instead of c5 was best. Black has not played aggressively enough agains the Four Pawns, allowing White to consolidate his central grip and develop. White can follow with c5 now that c4 is taken from that Nb6.

Spiny Norman
30-06-2007, 10:06 AM
Now for last night's game from VIC Interclub. I was on board 4 for Croydon in B-grade. I was really happy with how I played, not withstanding that I lost the game ... I felt like I played to the maximum of my current abilities.

I felt like I was under pressure for almost all of the game and didn't "crack" right until the end when we were both getting into a time scamble (both less than 2 minutes on the clock). I certainly enjoyed playing at 75+30 which is longer than the usual 60+30 that we use at Croydon.

The other thing to note is that this is the first time in my life that I have played a QGD! It was, in that sense, a bit of an experiment for me. I wanted to get into game where positional considerations were of more importance than calculating tactical variations, so from that perspective I think that strategy succeeded

If anyone can share their thoughts on where Black "lost it" I would appreciate any insights. I've not analysed the game properly yet, but there were probably two places not far from the end of the game where I think I could have put up more resistance and probably achieved a draw.

[Event "VIC Interclub 2007"]
[Site "Box Hill Chess Club"]
[Date "29/06/2007"]
[Round "1"]
[Board "4"]
[White "Narelle Szuveges"]
[Black "Stephen Frost"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D35"]
[WhiteElo "1702"]
[BlackElo "1566"]
[PlyCount "135"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 d5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bg5 Be7 6.Qc2 Be6 7.e3 Nbd7 8.Bd3 h6
9.Bh4 0-0 10.Nge2 Nb6 11.f3 Nfd7 12.Bf2 c6 13.0-0 Rc8 14.Bf5 Bxf5 15.Qxf5 Bd6
16.b3 Qc7 17.Bg3 Rce8 18.e4 Bxg3 19.Nxg3 dxe4 20.fxe4 Qd6 21.Rad1 Qe6 22.Qf3 Nf6
23.Rfe1 Rd8 24.Nf5 Ne8 25.Ne2 Nd6 26.Neg3 Kh7 27.Rf1 Nxf5 28.Nxf5 g6 29.Ng3 Kg7
30.Rd3 Rd7 31.h4 Rfd8 32.Rfd1 Qf6 33.Qxf6+ Kxf6 34.Kf2 Na8 [In retrospect I think maybe 34...h5 is warranted here?] 35.Ke3 Nc7 36.Ne2 Nb5
37.g4 Nc7 38.Nc3 Kg7 39.Na4 Ne6 40.Nc3 Nc7 41.Ne2 Ne6 42.Ng3 Nc7 43.h5 Ne6
44.d5 cxd5 45.exd5 Nc5 46.Rd4 Re7+ 47.Kf4 Red7 48.Ne4 Nxe4 49.Kxe4 gxh5
50.gxh5 Kf6 51.Kf4 Re7 52.Re4 Rxe4+ 53.Kxe4 Re8+ 54.Kf4 Rd8 55.Rd2 Rd7
56.Ke4 Re7+ 57.Kd4 Kg5 58.Rh2 f5 59.d6 Re1 60.Rd2 Re4+ 61.Kc5 Kf6 62.d7 Re5+
63.Kd6 Re6+ 64.Kc7 Re7 65.Kxb7 Ke6 66.Kc8 Rxd7 67.Rxd7 f4 68.Rd1 1-0

Capablanca-Fan
30-06-2007, 12:31 PM
Have a look at my QGD thread (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=6322). 11. f3 should have been answered by ...c5. I don't know why White swapped so much off before the e4 push—with fewer pieces on, there are fewer pieces that get pushed back and harder to get an attack going. In rook endgames, it is often good to blockade a passed pawn with a K rather than a R.

BTW, [Result "1/2-1/2"] needs to be edited ...

Spiny Norman
08-08-2007, 03:40 PM
I was looking at that last game again a few days ago, just playing through it you know ... and then I stopped after White's 48.Ne4 and suddenly "saw" that I missed the strength of the riposte 48.Ne6+ which I now think leads to a win for Black ... e.g. 49.dxe6 Rxd4 50.Rxd4 Rxd4 51.e7 f5!

"Too late, too late" she cried, as she waved her wooden leg in despair!

Spare a thought for me tomorrow night:
2203 Wong, Ngiam Yee (1) vs Frost, Stephen (1) 1566

We, who are about to die, salute thee!

CameronD
08-08-2007, 03:44 PM
What a great draw Frosty, Nothing to lose and everything to gain. I love playing people over 300 points above me.

Spiny Norman
08-08-2007, 03:50 PM
True! I should think more positively. I lasted > 40 moves last time I played him. I do enjoy playing very strong players, as I find I learn a lot in the process!

Basil
08-08-2007, 04:51 PM
Spare a thought for me tomorrow night:
2203 Wong, Ngiam Yee (1) vs Frost, Stephen (1) 1566

We, who are about to die, salute thee!
I wish we had had more time together. Go with dignity old son.

Spiny Norman
10-08-2007, 12:05 AM
For your delectation, here's the game. I was very happy with my play, but still lost. Sacrificed the exchange on move 18 (I must've been watching too many Smerdon games!) and got some attacking chances, but later, instead of playing 25.Bf4!?, I hesitated in time trouble, thought about grabbing a pawn, and played the much weaker 25.Bg3? instead which brought an abupt end to the game. We were both around 3 mins on the clock. Possibly also 19...Bxc8 might've been a better decision.

[White "N.Y.Wong"][Black "Stephen Frost"]1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 d6 4.d3 Nf6 5.h3 a6 6.g4 e6 7.g5 Nd7 8.Nf3 Be7 9.h4 b5 10.Be3 Bb7
11.a3 Nb6 12.Bh3 d5 13.Bf2 dxe4 14.Nxe4 Nd4 15.0-0 Rc8 16.Nxd4 cxd4 17.f5 exf5 18.Bxf5 0-0 19.Bxc8 Nxc8 20.Bg3 Nd6
21.Bxd6 Bxd6 22.Qg4 Bxe4 23.dxe4 Qc7 24.Qg2 Rc8 25.Rf2 Bg3 26.Rf3 Bxh4 27.Qg4 Bxg5 28.Qxg5 Qxc2 29.Raf1 d3 30.Rxf7 Qxb2
31.Rf8+ 1-0

This is the first time I've faced the Grand Prix Attack, so I really didn't know the best way to meet it. In future I will play g6 instead of d6, and fianchetto the black-square bishop.

EGOR
10-08-2007, 09:58 AM
I may be dumb, but I cannot see why you resigned?

Spiny Norman
10-08-2007, 10:09 AM
Hiya Egor! I knew had checkmate covered (on g8), but in time trouble I missed the second one. After 31...Rxf8 White has 32.Qd5+! which wins, as the f7 square and the back rank cannot both be protected.

EGOR
10-08-2007, 10:50 AM
Yes, I see it now.

Axiom
10-08-2007, 12:09 PM
This is the first time I've faced the Grand Prix Attack, so I really didn't know the best way to meet it. In future I will play g6 instead of d6, and fianchetto the black-square bishop.
the grand prix incorporates Bc4, this was a closed sicilian variation.

Capablanca-Fan
10-08-2007, 01:06 PM
For your delectation, here's the game. I was very happy with my play, but still lost. Sacrificed the exchange on move 18 (I must've been watching too many Smerdon games!) and got some attacking chances,
I don't think you really had anything much though. And the exchanges that soon followed strengthened the advantage of the exchange.

Spiny Norman
21-09-2007, 12:23 AM
My game from tonight. I think my opponent made a couple of errors between moves 25 and 30. I could've had a quicker win with Rf8+ instead of Rc7 at the end.

[Event "Ranges Chess Challenge"]
[Site "Ranges Chess Club"]
[Date "20/09/2007"]
[Round "2"]
[Board "3"]
[White "Stephen Frost"]
[Black "A N Other"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C90"]
[WhiteElo "1567"]
[BlackElo "1649"]
[PlyCount "70"]

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 d6 6.Re1 Be7 7.c3 b5 8.Bb3 Bg4 9.h3 Bh5 10.d3 h6
11.Nbd2 Na5 12.Bc2 c5 13.Nf1 Bxf3 14.Qxf3 0-0 15.Ng3 Nh7 16.Nf5 Bg5 17.Qg3 Qf6 18.f4 exf4
19.Bxf4 Bxf4 20.Qxf4 Rad8 21.Rf1 Qg5 22.Qxg5 Nxg5 23.Rf2 Nc6 24.h4 Ne6 25.Raf1 d5 {error by Black I think} 26.exd5 Rxd5
27.d4 {Dinsdale!} Ned8 28.Be4 Rd7 29.dxc5 Na5 30.Nd6 {Dinsdale!} Nab7 31.Nxb7 Nxb7 32.c6 Re7 33.cxb7 Rxe4 34.Rxf7 {Dinsdale!} Rfe8
35.Rc7 Rb8 36.Rff7 1-0

eclectic
21-09-2007, 12:26 AM
it needs annotating .... you need to exclaim

Dinsdale!

at critical junctures in the game

:P

Spiny Norman
21-09-2007, 12:34 AM
As you wish! See above.

Basil
21-09-2007, 01:02 AM
most military-like
Dinsdale?

Spiny Norman
21-09-2007, 08:23 AM
Dinsdale?
Google "Dinsdale Spiny Norman" and you'll get the picture ...

Spiny Norman
21-08-2010, 11:03 AM
Well I made a return to competitive play last night. Felt rather nervous frankly, especially so when I learned I was playing against young Cameron who is making steady progress with his play. In the end I gave a metaphorical shrug of the shoulders and decided that I should be a bit adventurous, so I sacced a pawn on move 3 ... and as a result I had to work pretty hard for the point.

[Event "The Frost (2010)"]
[Site "Croydon Chess Club"]
[Date "19/08/2010"]
[Round "1"]
[Board "3"]
[White "Cameron Yung"]
[Black "Stephen Frost"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B01"]
[WhiteElo "937"]
[BlackElo "1561"]
[PlyCount "100"]

1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.Bc4 c6 4.dxc6 Nxc6 5.Bb5 Qd5 6.Bxc6+ Qxc6 7.Nf3 Bg4 8.0-0 e6 9.Ne5 Bxd1 10.Nxc6 Bxc2
11.Ne5 Be7 12.d3 0-0 13.Nc3 Rfd8 14.d4 Rxd4 15.Nb5 Re4 16.Nf3 a6 17.Nc3 Rc4 18.Be3 b5 19.Rac1 Bg6 20.Ne5 Rcc8
21.Nxg6 hxg6 22.Rfd1 Rd8 23.f3 Rxd1+ 24.Rxd1 Rd8 25.Rxd8+ Bxd8 26.Kf2 Ba5 27.Ke2 Kf8 28.Bd4 Ke7 29.g4 Bc7 30.h3 g5
31.Ke3 Bf4+ 32.Kd3 g6 33.Ne2 Nd5 34.Kc2 Kd6 35.Kb3 e5 36.Bf2 Be3 37.Bxe3 Nxe3 38.Nc3 f5 39.a4 Kc5 40.axb5 axb5
41.Ka2 Nd5 42.Ne2 Kc4 43.Ng3 Ne3 44.Kb1 Kd3 45.Kc1 b4 46.Kb1 e4 47.fxe4 fxe4 48.Kc1 b3 49.Kb1 Nc4 50.Kc1 e3 0-1

So that blew the cobwebs out; hoping I can play myself back to some reasonable standard over the next few weeks.

Capablanca-Fan
25-08-2010, 09:34 AM
Well I made a return to competitive play last night. Felt rather nervous frankly, especially so when I learned I was playing against young Cameron who is making steady progress with his play. In the end I gave a metaphorical shrug of the shoulders and decided that I should be a bit adventurous, so I sacced a pawn on move 3 ... and as a result I had to work pretty hard for the point.

[Event "The Frost (2010)"]
[Site "Croydon Chess Club"]
[Date "19/08/2010"]
[Round "1"]
[Board "3"]
[White "Cameron Yung"]
[Black "Stephen Frost"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B01"]
[WhiteElo "937"]
[BlackElo "1561"]
[PlyCount "100"]

1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.Bc4 c6 4.dxc6 Nxc6 5.Bb5 Qd5 6.Bxc6+ Qxc6 7.Nf3 Bg4 8.0-0 e6 9.Ne5 Bxd1 10.Nxc6 Bxc2
11.Ne5 Be7 12.d3 0-0 13.Nc3 Rfd8 14.d4 Rxd4 15.Nb5 Re4 16.Nf3 a6 17.Nc3 Rc4 18.Be3 b5 19.Rac1 Bg6 20.Ne5 Rcc8
21.Nxg6 hxg6 22.Rfd1 Rd8 23.f3 Rxd1+ 24.Rxd1 Rd8 25.Rxd8+ Bxd8 26.Kf2 Ba5 27.Ke2 Kf8 28.Bd4 Ke7 29.g4 Bc7 30.h3 g5
31.Ke3 Bf4+ 32.Kd3 g6 33.Ne2 Nd5 34.Kc2 Kd6 35.Kb3 e5 36.Bf2 Be3 37.Bxe3 Nxe3 38.Nc3 f5 39.a4 Kc5 40.axb5 axb5
41.Ka2 Nd5 42.Ne2 Kc4 43.Ng3 Ne3 44.Kb1 Kd3 45.Kc1 b4 46.Kb1 e4 47.fxe4 fxe4 48.Kc1 b3 49.Kb1 Nc4 50.Kc1 e3 0-1

So that blew the cobwebs out; hoping I can play myself back to some reasonable standard over the next few weeks.
Good endgame play. Simply 3... Nxd5 gives Black a playable game.

Spiny Norman
28-08-2010, 06:23 AM
Good endgame play.
Thanks Jono! Wait until you see my next game though. You may have to retract!

Spiny Norman
28-08-2010, 06:28 AM
Oh dear ... I almost shot myself in the foot in this game, having worked my way into a dominating position, I didn't play a simple winning line because I thought I saw a more interesting way to win (with tripled isolate pawns!) and very nearly lost ... but the mating pattern at the end made up for my disappointment at my dodgy endgame antics.

Probably should have played 17.Qg4 to tie Black down, and definitely should have played the simple winning line 52.Bc2 and 53.Bb3 winning easily.

[Event "The Frost (2010)"]
[Site "Croydon Chess Club"]
[Date "26/08/2010"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Stephen Frost"]
[Black "Richard Goldsmith"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D94"]
[WhiteElo "1561"]
[BlackElo "1251"]
[PlyCount "121"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 c6 5.e3 Bg7 6.cxd5 Nxd5 7.Nxd5 Qxd5 8.b3 O-O 9.Be2 Bg4 10.O-O Nd7
11.h3 Bf5 12.Bb2 Rfe8 13.Rc1 Rad8 14.Bc4 Qd6 15.Ng5 Be6 16.Nxe6 fxe6 17.Qe2 Nb6 18.Bd3 e5 19.Bc4+ e6 20.dxe5 Qd2
21.Rfd1 Qxe2 22.Bxe2 Kf7 23.Rxd8 Rxd8 24.Rd1 Rxd1+ 25.Bxd1 Nd7 26.f4 Bf8 27.Kf2 Nc5 28.Bc2 Na6 29.Bd3 Nb4 30.Bb1 Na6
31.Ke2 Nc7 32.g3 Bc5 33.a3 Nd5 34.e4 Nc7 35.Bd3 Be7 36.a4 b5 37.axb5 cxb5 38.Bd4 a6 39.Bb6 Na8 40.Ba5 Ke8
41.f5 Kf7 42.Kf3 Bc5 43.g4 Bb6 44.Bxb6 Nxb6 45.Ke3 Nd7 46.Kd4 Nb6 47.Kc5 Nd7+ 48.Kd6 Nf8 49.Kc6 Ke7 50.b4 Kf7
51.Kd6 g5 52.Be2 h6 53.Bf1 Ke8 54.fxe6 Ng6 55.e7 Nh4 56.Ke6 Nf3 57.Kf6 Nd4 58.e6 Nc6 59.Be2 Nxb4 60.h4 gxh4
61.g5 1-0

Kevin Bonham
28-08-2010, 11:16 AM
That is a remarkable finish! You don't often see tripled isolated pawns in an endgame, especially not winning ones!

Spiny Norman
02-09-2010, 11:30 PM
Very happy with my play overall in my game tonight, despite the loss. Had a very productive post-mortem with Guy and learned a lot!

[Event "The Frost (2010)"]
[Site "Croydon Chess Club"]
[Date "02/09/2010"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Stephen Frost"]
[Black "IM Guy West"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A59"]
[WhiteElo "1561"]
[BlackElo "2286"]
[PlyCount "68"]
[EventDate "2008.03.29"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 4.cxb5 a6 5.bxa6 Bxa6 6.Nc3 d6 7.e4 Bxf1 8.Kxf1 g6 9.g3 Bg7 10.Kg2 O-O
11.Nge2 Nbd7 12.Qc2 Ra6 13.a4 Qa8 14.Nb5 Qb7 15.Nec3 c4 16.Be3 Rc8 17.Bd4 Nc5 18.Ra3 h5 19.f3 Nb3 20.Re1 Nxd4
21.Nxd4 Nxd5 22.exd5 Bxd4 23.Re4 Be5 24.a5 Rc5 25.Ra4 Qc7 26.Qe2 Raxa5 27.Rxa5 Qxa5 28.Rxc4 Bxc3 29.bxc3 Rxd5 30.Qb2 Rd3
31.Rb4 Qd5 32.Rb8+ Kh7 33.Qb7 Rd2+ 34.Kh1 Qa2 0-1

ER
08-09-2010, 12:10 PM
For notes on the above also see the Club's thread! :)

Spiny Norman
09-09-2010, 11:31 PM
Had to play Watto tonight ... pretty decent tussle ... I felt I was getting smashed at one point, however Fritz seems to feel more positive about my position than I did (and I reckon maybe that's because it can see further ahead than I can and I doubt I would have been able to find the best defence) ... but I wriggled out of trouble and landed in another endgame (my specialty):

[Event "The Frost (2010)"]
[Site "Croydon Chess Club"]
[Date "09/09/2010"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Jean Watson"]
[Black "Stephen Frost"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E90"]
[WhiteElo "1278"]
[BlackElo "1561"]
[PlyCount "96"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nf3 Bg7 4.Nc3 O-O 5.e4 d6 6.Bd3 Bg4 7.h3 Bxf3 8.Qxf3 Nbd7 9.O-O c5 10.dxc5 Ne5
11.Qe2 Nxd3 12.Qxd3 dxc5 13.Qe2 Nd7 14.Be3 Bxc3 15.bxc3 Qc7 16.Bh6 Rfd8 17.f4 Nf8 18.Rad1 Rxd1 19.Rxd1 Rd8 20.Rd3 Rxd3
21.Qxd3 Qd7 22.Qd5 Qxd5 23.cxd5 Nd7 24.Kf2 b5 25.e5 f6 26.d6 exd6 27.exd6 Kf7 28.Ke3 Ke6 29.Ke4 f5+ 30.Kd3 Kxd6
31.Bg7 Kd5 32.g3 a5 33.g4 c4+ 34.Ke3 Nc5 35.a3 Ne4 36.Be5 Nc5 37.Bd4 Nd7 38.Bg7 Nb8 39.Bf8 Nc6 40.Bg7 b4
41.cxb4 axb4 42.axb4 Nxb4 43.Kd2 Nd3 44.Ke3 Nc5 45.gxf5 gxf5 46.Kd2 Ke4 47.Kc3 Ne6 48.Be5 Nxf4 0-1

Igor_Goldenberg
10-09-2010, 12:00 PM
[Event "The Frost (2010)"]
[Site "Croydon Chess Club"]
[Date "09/09/2010"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Jean Watson"]
[Black "Stephen Frost"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E90"]
[WhiteElo "1278"]
[BlackElo "1561"]
[PlyCount "96"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nf3 Bg7 4.Nc3 O-O 5.e4 d6 6.Bd3 Bg4 7.h3 Bxf3 8.Qxf3 Nbd7 9.O-O c5 10.dxc5 Ne5
11.Qe2 Nxd3 (not sure whether this exchange in necessary, I'd play 11...dxc5, then try to occupy d4 square. d5 can be covered by e6) 12.Qxd3 dxc5 13.Qe2 (13.Qc2!) 13...Nd7 14.Be3 Bxc3 15.bxc3 Qc7 16.Bh6 Rfd8 17.f4 Nf8 18.Rad1 ( given white's pawn structure and slightly weakened black king white should try to attack on king side. For that it's important not to exchange major pieces. e5 followed by f5 is worth considering. If 18.e5 e6 then 17.Bg5 controlling d file. Can be followed by g4-f5) 18...Rxd1 19.Rxd1 Rd8 20.Rd3 Rxd3
21.Qxd3 Qd7 22.Qd5 Qxd5 23.cxd5 Nd7 24.Kf2 (24.f5 is necessary to get the bishop out of the trap) 24...b5 25.e5 (25.f5 still gives some draw chances) 25...f6! (good move, black is winning now) 26.d6 exd6 27.exd6 Kf7 28.Ke3 Ke6 29.Ke4 f5+ 30.Kd3 Kxd6
31.Bg7 Kd5 32.g3 a5 33.g4 c4+ 34.Ke3 Nc5 35.a3 Ne4 36.Be5 Nc5 37.Bd4 Nd7 38.Bg7 Nb8 39.Bf8 Nc6 40.Bg7 b4
41.cxb4 axb4 42.axb4 Nxb4 43.Kd2 Nd3 44.Ke3 Nc5 45.gxf5 gxf5 46.Kd2 Ke4 47.Kc3 Ne6 48.Be5 Nxf4 0-1

At no moment was black close to "getting smashed"

Spiny Norman
10-09-2010, 05:44 PM
At no moment was black close to "getting smashed"
... which serves to demonstrate how much (or rather, how little) I know! :)
Immediately after the game I felt like I had played poorly in the early part (up to about move 15 or soon after) ... but then I loaded it up into Fritz to see whether I had done any really silly things and was surprised that almost all the moves were at least plausible to some degree. Guy pointed out I maybe should have played Nc6 instead of Nbd7 early. He also commented on White needing to play e5 and then f5 if wanting to attack around move 18.

Thanks for the comments Igor; I really appreciate the feedback!

Igor_Goldenberg
10-09-2010, 09:39 PM
Immediately after the game I felt like I had played poorly in the early part (up to about move 15 or soon after) ... but then I loaded it up into Fritz to see

This is sort of the position computer evaluation may be few decimal point off


Guy pointed out I maybe should have played Nc6 instead of Nbd7 early. He also commented on White needing to play e5 and then f5 if wanting to attack around move 18.
That's good!:D :D



Thanks for the comments Igor; I really appreciate the feedback!
You are welcome!

Watto
11-09-2010, 10:01 AM
You are welcome!
Yes, thanks Igor. I must admit I'm annoyed with myself over this game as on at least two occasions I knowingly played an inferior move as I hadn't fully worked out how the better alternative would play out. 18.Rad1 was an example of this. Naturally looking at the position, I was intending to attack on the king side and knew that a swop wasn't good but I was concerned about his possible d file penetration so after having looked for some time at how to attack on the kingside (I was mainly looking at an immediate f5), on impulse I played Rad1 actually thinking to myself 'this is not good, it dissipates my attack'. I should have spent more time working out how to continue with my attack and how I would deal with his d file rooks if need be. Bill Jordan said to me when I mentioned this that you have to learn to back your own judgement so I'll really have to work on this as I do it quite often in my games.
The 25.e5 pawn push was another example of knowingly playing an inferior move although in this case I had become 'hypnotised' by the move and even though I'd worked out it wasn't good I wanted to play it regardless; it wasn't a last minute impulse move like 18.Rad1, it was a more perverse decision than that.

I was happy enough to allow 14... Bxc3 partly because in the past I've been overly hung up on positional considerations and these days I'm trying to play a bit more dynamically, if that makes sense.

Anyway, thanks for the comments, much appreciated. Well done to TSK too. It's great to have you back playing at the club (even though you beat me... :( ;))

ER
11-09-2010, 03:38 PM
hehe, now I know Jean plays 2 . c4 :P as well as 2. Nf3, so I will prepare for both! :P :owned: :lol:

Igor_Goldenberg
11-09-2010, 07:04 PM
Anyway, thanks for the comments, much appreciated. Well done to TSK too. It's great to have you back playing at the club (even though you beat me... :( ;))
You are welcome, even though with a great coach at home you hardly need my advice:D

Spiny Norman
11-09-2010, 07:15 PM
hehe, now I know Jean plays 2 . c4 :P as well as 2. Nf3, so I will prepare for both! :P :owned: :lol:
:lol: I nearly fell off my chair when I saw 2.c4 ... but 3.Nf3 restored my equilibrium!

road runner
12-09-2010, 12:34 AM
:lol: I nearly fell off my chair when I saw 2.c4 ... but 3.Nf3 restored my equilibrium!
Do you guys really think preparing openings against a 1200 rated player is a productive use of your time? :hmm:

Kevin Bonham
12-09-2010, 01:05 AM
Do you guys really think preparing openings against a 1200 rated player is a productive use of your time? :hmm:

I think it is useful where the 1200s rated player is known to play lines you don't know well. I very quickly got in a very bad position against a 1200-ish player who played the Grob against me because I did not know it and he knew it backwards; I was more or less losing in that game (a pawn down) until finding a big saving tactic on about move 19. Probably even from such a position I would win 3/4 or more against that rating range, but there's no doubt that getting off to a really bad start against them increases the chance of dropping points and it's worth doing a bit of prep to avoid that risk.

If they're known for playing regulation fare, I tend not to prepare anything.

I do think club players can learn things about openings in the process of preparing, though. If they do it properly that is - using texts that explain concepts and don't just teach you moves.

Watto
12-09-2010, 10:20 AM
Do you guys really think preparing openings against a 1200 rated player is a productive use of your time? :hmm:
I wondered that myself but preparing against a 1200 rated player is a much more productive use of time than spending it on a chess forum I suspect. The fact is that almost none of my games are decided in the opening as I've played the same solid fare to the point where I bored myself silly - hence the recent change and TSK's surprise (as our webmaster he is familiar with my openings.)

Spiny Norman
12-09-2010, 10:29 AM
Where preparation is possible, I always find it to be productive use of my time. Regardless of the strength of the opponent, I always find it beneficial to learn better lines of play in openings. It can also lead to a quicker win, if the opponent is known to repeatedly play a weak line against other opponents (who typically don't know its weak and don't know how to exploit it). I've lost count of the number of times I have seen people mis-play both sides of the French Advance variation for example, usually in the first 5-6 moves too.

ER
12-09-2010, 12:11 PM
Do you guys really think preparing openings against a 1200 rated player is a productive use of your time? :hmm:

LOL yes! It's because of 1200 rated players that I dropped from almost 1600 to 1300 (and falling) :P

Igor_Goldenberg
12-09-2010, 04:20 PM
Do you guys really think preparing openings against a 1200 rated player is a productive use of your time? :hmm:
Yes

Kevin Bonham
12-09-2010, 06:22 PM
LOL yes! It's because of 1200 rated players that I dropped from almost 1600 to 1300 (and falling) :P

But is that because of their openings or mistakes by you later in the game? And is that 1200 rated adults or 1200 rated juniors?

ER
13-09-2010, 09:15 AM
But is that because of their openings or mistakes by you later in the game?
Mistakes by me usually giving Queens away for presents :wall:

And is that 1200 rated adults or 1200 rated juniors?
Hehe, I think you hit the nail on the head here. It's like juniors looking at the draw on BHCC's Notice Board and saying: "oh it's ok, it's only Elliott"! But I got a few of them back though, hehe, more to come in the near future!