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Max Illingworth
21-09-2020, 12:52 AM
Will Australia be submitting a team for this tournament?

I found the regulations attached via. this link. (https://japanchess.org/en/2020/09/asian-online-nations-cup-2/) They state that each federation must confirm its entry by 25 September 2020, with submission of team lists due by 4 October 2020.

I'm willing to represent Australia in this event if there are enough players for a team.

MichaelBaron
21-09-2020, 11:37 AM
If no top players are available, happy to nominate myself as reserve for reserve!

Max Illingworth
23-09-2020, 12:33 AM
I appreciate the support Michael! I think if Australia nominates a team, we'll be able to find the 10 players (5 for the Men's team, 5 for the Women's) in the timeframe - the ACF did a fantastic job of putting together a strong team for the FIDE Online Olympiad at extremely short notice.

kwoodley
23-09-2020, 06:09 AM
Has there been any word on whether Australia will lodge a nomination on the 25th? It's very annoying that the Asian Chess Federation has yet again provided so little notice about an upcoming event, but important that players have opportunities to compete since overseas travel looks to be out until mid-2021.

Vlad
26-09-2020, 10:03 PM
Good news I suppose. Michael, I am sorry, your services are unlikely to be needed. Well, same as mine. ��

Kevin Bonham
07-10-2020, 07:25 PM
Teams list http://chess-results.com/tnr537141.aspx?lan=1&art=0&turdet=YES&flag=30

Australia seeded 6th in Open (Smirnov, Kuybokarov, Illingworth, Cheng, Ly) and 4th in Womens (Ryjanova, Zhang, Richards, Nguyen, Berezina)

Beat43210
08-10-2020, 08:16 AM
Gotta love the Austrailia typo :D

ER
08-10-2020, 08:58 AM
they meant Straya! :D

Vlad
09-10-2020, 10:43 AM
Good news I suppose. Michael, I am sorry, your services are unlikely to be needed. Well, same as mine. ��

Michael, if you are still keen you may want to give a call to Leonid. I believe Australia may need a reserve.

MichaelBaron
09-10-2020, 02:24 PM
Michael, if you are still keen you may want to give a call to Leonid. I believe Australia may need a reserve.

Yep I was ready. However, a stronger player (IM who is GM strength) has been found

Vlad
09-10-2020, 04:22 PM
Yep I was ready. However, a stronger player (IM who is GM strength) has been found

Yes, the team will be the same as in the online Olympiad. The first round will be tomorrow at 5 pm.

Kevin Bonham
09-10-2020, 10:02 PM
9 round Swiss followed by 3-stage knockout (each knockout stage is two games per pairing) for the top 8 in each section.

Each day in the first phase is 3 games starting 10 am UAE time (5 pm AEDST)

Open teams play Oct 10, 16, 18, 23-5 (QF, SF, Final)
Women's teams play Oct 11, 17, 19, 23-5 (QF, SF, Final)

Links to watch here:

http://asianchess.com/asian-nations-regions-men-online-cup-2020/
http://asianchess.com/asian-nations-regions-women-online-cup-2020/

Scott Colliver
10-10-2020, 02:35 PM
Is there a list of teams anywhere?

Ian Rout
10-10-2020, 02:52 PM
Is there a list of teams anywhere?
See Kevin's links above.

Do we know why China is missing - is there a story or just not interested? Presumably they have enough players.

Kevin Bonham
10-10-2020, 03:07 PM
Can also follow on Chessbomb:

https://asianchess.com/news/follow-asian-online-nations-cup-on-chessbomb/

Scott Colliver
10-10-2020, 03:14 PM
See Kevin's links above.

Do we know why China is missing - is there a story or just not interested? Presumably they have enough players.

Thank you, I missed the chess-results link.

Vietnam is also not playing in the mens

Scott Colliver
10-10-2020, 03:27 PM
Looking at the team India and Iran should be the two main chances in the men. Iran have their strongest possible team and seem to have almost all players underrated. India have Nahil Sarin looking to be well underrated on board 2.

Hopefully we can prove to be at least the best of the rest.

Vlad
10-10-2020, 03:42 PM
Given that it is a knockout at the end, a special skill would be to get India to play Iran in one semi-final, while Australia playing some other team in the other.:lol:

Garvinator
10-10-2020, 03:56 PM
Do we know why China is missing - is there a story or just not interested? Presumably they have enough players.
I would assume it would be because of the Great Firewall of China, which makes maintaining a consistent World Wide internet connection very difficult.

Kevin Bonham
10-10-2020, 04:31 PM
Just tried watching the games but couldn't find anything on Chessbomb and have no idea how the chess.com link is supposed to work; it says you are following some players and not others but not what you do about it.

Scott Colliver
10-10-2020, 04:33 PM
Cannot find any games either

Games on chess.com should be at https://www.chess.com/events/2020-asian-nations-cup but nothing there

Any word whether the round has been delayed or whether there is just no coverage?

Vlad
10-10-2020, 04:33 PM
It has not started yet. Normally they pair 10 teams. In this competition they have 38.

Scott Colliver
10-10-2020, 04:37 PM
It has not started yet. Normally they pair 10 teams. In this competition they have 38.

Thank you Vlad

Vlad
10-10-2020, 05:07 PM
The games will start in about 5 minutes.:) The games were aborted as the colors were the same for all Australians (same issue for other teams).

Vlad
10-10-2020, 06:17 PM
Australia started on a positive note: 4-0

Below are the links to the games in the board order...

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/5562981736
https://www.chess.com/live#g=5562981784
https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/5562981844
https://www.chess.com/live/game/5562981907

Vlad
10-10-2020, 06:23 PM
The next round starts at 8pm.:wall:

Kevin Bonham
10-10-2020, 06:56 PM
Moulthun's opponent comes to a brutally sticky end:

31.Qa8+ [31.Rxe6 fxe6 32.Rc1 white is fine] 31...Kh7 32.Qxa6?? Rxe3! this mates 33.Rxe6 Rxg3+ 34.Kh2 Rg2+ 35.Kh1 Rh2# 0-1

Desmond
10-10-2020, 07:17 PM
Illingworth game https://www.chess.com/live#g=5563305499

Kevin Bonham
10-10-2020, 07:23 PM
Watching this event online appears to be a complete fiasco for tonight.

Vlad
10-10-2020, 07:26 PM
There are no games as yet...:) I will post a few links once they start.

Scott Colliver
10-10-2020, 07:28 PM
Watching this event online appears to be a complete fiasco for tonight.

Yeah it seems to be no hope.

Kevin Bonham
10-10-2020, 07:31 PM
Thanks to Vlad for the info and updates. This would be very frustrating for players and their connections.

Vlad
10-10-2020, 07:32 PM
https://www.chess.com/live#g=5563338787
https://www.chess.com/live#g=5563338852
https://www.chess.com/live#g=5563338910
https://www.chess.com/live#g=5563365358

Kevin Bonham
10-10-2020, 08:19 PM
Not so good for Moulthun in game 2, walking into #2 in a drawn position. Fortunately everyone else won so 3-1.

Vlad
10-10-2020, 08:27 PM
Not so good for Moulthun in game 2, walking into #2 in a drawn position. Fortunately everyone else won so 3-1.

I do not want to comment on Molthun's game, but you probably can guess my opinion. Good that everyone else did well.

Vlad
10-10-2020, 08:36 PM
Gloves are off, we are playing Iran!

Scott Colliver
10-10-2020, 08:37 PM
Kyrgyzstan with the big upset draw with India

Vlad
10-10-2020, 08:49 PM
Games have started...

https://www.chess.com/live#g=5563565937
https://www.chess.com/live#g=5563565998
https://www.chess.com/live#g=5563566063
https://www.chess.com/live#g=5563575703

Vlad
10-10-2020, 09:14 PM
1-0, Anton strikes first!

Vlad
10-10-2020, 09:31 PM
Unfortunately, we lost 2.5-1.5. James had chances until the very end.

Vlad
10-10-2020, 10:27 PM
https://www.chess.com/live/game/5563566711

A grandmaster is so scared of an FM that he tries his best to get a draw at the first opportunity - what can I say? Online chess!

MichaelBaron
10-10-2020, 10:31 PM
https://www.chess.com/live/game/5563566711

A grandmaster is so scared of an FM that he tries his best to get a draw at the first opportunity - what can I say? Online chess!

Ziachess is not strong ''online'' player his rating/results on chess.com are generally on par with FMs

MichaelBaron
10-10-2020, 10:34 PM
Not so good for Moulthun in game 2, walking into #2 in a drawn position. Fortunately everyone else won so 3-1.

The sad Irony is....black probably blundered on g6 rather than sacrificed....

Vlad
10-10-2020, 11:32 PM
The sad irony is very different. This is not how 48 year old 2000 rated player is expected to play online.

Vlad
10-10-2020, 11:35 PM
Looks like we will play Bangladesh in the next round.

Kevin Bonham
11-10-2020, 06:56 AM
The sad Irony is....black probably blundered on g6 rather than sacrificed....

Black also could have won a piece with 29...Kh7.

Scott Colliver
11-10-2020, 10:33 AM
So today is the women's turn

We are 4th seed, but when looking at standard ratings rather than some of seemingly very low rapid ratings perhaps that seeding is a bit generous.

India are the clear favourites despite not having Humpy Koneru and Harika Dronavalli. It will be a real surprise if they do not win the whole thing.

There main threats probably are Kazakhstan despite them not having their two strongest players either.

2nd seed Indonesia are very strong on the top two boards with IMs Sukandar and Aulia but drop off a with weak boards 4 and 5. In key match ups they are almost certainly going to lose board 4 making things very difficult for them.

Iran, headed by the strongest player in the competition, IM Khademalsharieh, are considerably higher rated in standard ratings and will be a strong chance to finish in the top 3.

Veitnam, very similarly to Indonesia, have three strong players but are weak on boards 4 and 5, a pity they have brought a much weakened team.

Mongolia is a strong women's nation but they have brought a much weakened team. However it is not as weak as it seems looking at the rapid rating. Their board three, WFM Altantuya, is only rated 1735 in rapid but is a 15 year old with a standard rating of 2263. I am not sure why she is not playing board 2, but will be very strong on board 3.

As far as the Australian team goes board 4 is going to be a key board in some key match ups. In matches against Vietnam, Indonesia and Mongolia it is a must win board.

Kevin Bonham
11-10-2020, 05:30 PM
Aus Women defeated Nepal 4-0 in the first round and now play Singapore.

Kevin Bonham
11-10-2020, 06:15 PM
Singapore won 2.5-1.5 (and it was very nearly 3-1).

Scott Colliver
11-10-2020, 06:43 PM
That is a bad result, needed to be winning that one easily

Kevin Bonham
11-10-2020, 06:45 PM
Australia now playing Syria (16).

MichaelBaron
11-10-2020, 07:05 PM
Australia now playing Syria (16).

Not the biggest of the hurdles...just a warm up :).

Scott Colliver
11-10-2020, 07:07 PM
Giang Nguyen and Heather Richards have both won.

Julia Ryjanova still playing and I cannot find the other game

Scott Colliver
11-10-2020, 07:08 PM
Not the biggest of the hurdles...just a warm up :).

Singapore should not have been a big hurdle either even though they have a strong board 1

Kevin Bonham
11-10-2020, 07:15 PM
Giang Nguyen and Heather Richards have both won.

Julia Ryjanova still playing and I cannot find the other game

Jilin won very quickly, about 22 moves.

Something happened with Ryjanova's game with the opponent initially not showing and then it restarting and Ryjanova starting late; think it had colours the wrong way round originally. [ edit: her clock was adjusted to correct for it.]

antichrist
11-10-2020, 07:34 PM
Not the biggest of the hurdles...just a warm up :).

They used to be good on the Queens Gambit many moons ago

Scott Colliver
11-10-2020, 07:36 PM
Julia wins so looks like a 4-0 win.

Kevin Bonham
11-10-2020, 07:41 PM
Australia wins 4-0. India loses to Iran.

Scott Colliver
11-10-2020, 07:56 PM
Australia wins 4-0. India loses to Iran.

That is a big result, Iran even did it despite losing on board 1.

Kevin Bonham
16-10-2020, 10:38 PM
Forgot this was on today; the schedule is hard to remember

Round 4. Australia 3.5-0.5 Bangladesh (who were seeded one spot above us)
Round 5. Australia 2.5-1.5 Sri Lanka
Round 6. Australia 3-1 Philippines (seeded two spots above us)

Excellent! We are equal second with Kazakhstan on 10 (Iran has 11).

Vlad
16-10-2020, 10:51 PM
Round 5 was a bit dodgy. Maybe FIDE officials could pay some attention to games.

Rounds 4 and 6 were quite solid. 15 years ago it would be unheard of: Australia is smashing Philippians 3 times in a row.:clap:

Scott Colliver
17-10-2020, 01:46 AM
I forgot it was on as well but I think I was still at work anyway. Good to see there were three wins

Leonid Sandler
17-10-2020, 02:13 PM
In less than two hours our ladies team will continue their path towards Quarterfinals. The games can be seen https://www.chess.com/live#m=Jauburn|JlZhang|lynghonig|gazpacho210|ibere zina

Good luck Australia!

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2020, 09:32 PM
Australia (W) 3-1 Jordan
Australia (W) 0-4 Vietnam
Australia (W) 1-3 Kazahstan

Currently in 12th, will probably need 2/3 matches in rounds 7-9 to make the quarter finals. Next opponent is Iraq (seeded 14th).

Leonid Sandler
18-10-2020, 08:11 AM
Forgot this was on today; the schedule is hard to remember

Round 4. Australia 3.5-0.5 Bangladesh (who were seeded one spot above us)
Round 5. Australia 2.5-1.5 Sri Lanka
Round 6. Australia 3-1 Philippines (seeded two spots above us)

Excellent! We are equal second with Kazakhstan on 10 (Iran has 11).

Today, in round 7 Australia will play against Kazakhstan. Starting time is 5-00 pm AEST. The link to watch the games https://www.chess.com/live#m=AntonSmirnov|KuybokarovTemur|Illingworth|sl ackadaisacal|Molton

Scott Colliver
18-10-2020, 10:20 AM
Kazakhstan is tough but the boys can do it. Smash the GMs and show them who is boss.

Ismagambetov is on 5.5/6, he is a dangerous one but we can beat him

Vlad
18-10-2020, 11:41 AM
Blast from the past! Last time the teams played was 4 years ago in the 2016 Olympiad. Interesting that the Australian team has not changed much. Yuan is replaced by Timur and Anton is not a kid anymore.:)

Round 9 on 2016/09/11 at 15:00


Bo.45 Australia (AUS) - 37 Kazakhstan (KAZ) 3 : 1
20.1 GM Zhao, Zong-Yuan - GM Jumabayev, Rinat -
20.2 IM Ly, Moulthun - Utegaliyev, Azamat -
20.3 IM Smirnov, Anton - GM Ismagambetov, Anuar 1 - 0
20.4 GM Illingworth, Max - GM Kostenko, Petr 1 - 0

Scott Colliver
18-10-2020, 12:57 PM
3 hours to go my lovelies. It will be GREAT. Darlings lets us unite in support of our team

Scott Colliver
18-10-2020, 03:50 PM
Only 10 minutes to go DARLINGS. 10 minutes until the team crushes the Kazakh team

Vlad
18-10-2020, 04:44 PM
That was nerve-breaking; but we are stronger!

Metro
18-10-2020, 05:07 PM
That was nerve-breaking; but we are stronger!

great effort by the boys!
Round 8 pairings

1 Indonesia 10 : 13 Iran
2 Australia 12 : 10 Mongolia
3 Kazakhstan 10 : 10 Philippines

Leonid Sandler
18-10-2020, 05:08 PM
That was nerve-breaking; but we are stronger!

Australia-Mongolia match starts in twelve minutes!

Desmond
18-10-2020, 05:48 PM
9 round Swiss followed by 3-stage knockout (each knockout stage is two games per pairing) for the top 8 in each section.

Each day in the first phase is 3 games starting 10 am UAE time (5 pm AEDST)

Open teams play Oct 10, 16, 18, 23-5 (QF, SF, Final)
Women's teams play Oct 11, 17, 19, 23-5 (QF, SF, Final)

Links to watch here:

http://asianchess.com/asian-nations-regions-men-online-cup-2020/
http://asianchess.com/asian-nations-regions-women-online-cup-2020/

By the way our country is misspelled "Austrailia" here.

Kevin Bonham
18-10-2020, 06:08 PM
Mongolia wins 2.5-1.5. We're still third though.

Leonid Sandler
18-10-2020, 06:21 PM
India-Australia last round match starts in 10 minutes.

You can watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiIBpAsqtTA&feature=emb_rel_pause and https://www.chess.com/live#g=5599631482

Desmond
18-10-2020, 06:24 PM
India-Australia last round match starts in 10 minutes.

You can watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiIBpAsqtTA&feature=emb_rel_pause and https://www.chess.com/live#g=5599631482

Sweet, these commentators are great!

Scott Colliver
18-10-2020, 07:21 PM
Frank, Ari and James provided excellent commentary on https://www.twitch.tv/degenchess

Vlad
18-10-2020, 07:22 PM
It is so nice to play against humans after all...:) Even 2600+ are not that good, they are making mistakes.

Vlad
18-10-2020, 11:29 PM
Sweet, these commentators are great!

Thanks for the link! A nice explanation by Ganguly why Anton's ending should be a draw. Apparently even 2600+ do not know that.

Andy009
19-10-2020, 08:00 PM
Thanks for the link! A nice explanation by Ganguly why Anton's ending should be a draw. Apparently even 2600+ do not know that.

Anton played well, showing good understanding of the position and creating passed pawns. Max and Moulthun did well too in their match against India. Lets hope Australian team does well in the knockout stages

Unfortunately the women's team didnt qualify for the knockouts

Max Illingworth
19-10-2020, 09:31 PM
9th place is painfully close, but they'll come back stronger next time, much like the Australian Open team did after narrowly missing out on qualifying for Division A in this year's FIDE Online Olympiad.

Lekko
20-10-2020, 09:11 AM
9th place is painfully close, but they'll come back stronger next time, much like the Australian Open team did after narrowly missing out on qualifying for Division A in this year's FIDE Online Olympiad.

When does the next phase begin?

Ian Rout
20-10-2020, 10:31 AM
When does the next phase begin?
The schedule is cleverly hidden in the regulations:

https://doc.fide.com/docs/CALENDAR/Asian%20Online%20Nations%20Cup%202020%20Regs.pdf

which state that the knockouts are this Fri/Sat/Sun at the same time as the qualifiers.

Vlad
20-10-2020, 03:22 PM
Stupid me - I thought it was Anton who saved Australia in the last moment. Apparently not.:)

https://chessbase.in/news/Asian-Nations-Online-Round-7-9-Men-report

Metro
22-10-2020, 01:23 PM
Mens QF Australia seed 4 v Indonesia seed 5

https://chess-results.com/tnr538364.aspx?lan=1&art=2&flag=30

Leonid Sandler
22-10-2020, 02:02 PM
Congratulations to our individual medals winners!

http://asianchess.com/news/board-medalists-in-asian-online-nations-cup/

MichaelBaron
22-10-2020, 03:18 PM
In the Women's event: How did the Team Sri-Lanka qualify???

Scott Colliver
22-10-2020, 11:59 PM
In the Women's event: How did the Team Sri-Lanka qualify???


The five players in the Sri Lankan team competed in and finished in the same order the Sri Lankan Women's championship.
They, apart from board 5, have much higher FIDE standard ratings than their rapid ratings. All the team have ratings between 1745 and 1711. Still not very high but a lot higher than 1400 or 1500 rapid ratings.
The top 4 boards are teenagers who appear to be improving players who have gained lots of standard ratings points in the last couple of years. In Sri Lankan women's championship the top 3 boards all gained around 100 rating points while board 4 gained over 50. This indicates the performed well above their ratings.
Apart from beating us their other performances are not really that special and it is only by beating us that they made the final 8 ahead of us.
Board 1 has done nothing to suggest she is anything but a 1700 hundred player.
Board 2 has had a decent tournament apart from the highlight of beating Julia Ryjanova.
Board 3 has been the standout of the team with 6.5/8 points with again beating Jilin Zhang being the highlight performance. She is 14 or 15 years old and has had good OTB performances such as last years World Youth Championship 14 girls.
Board 4 has had a reasonably good tournament but again beating Heather Richards is the highlight result.
Board 5 is the oldest of the team, she is 25-26 and an experienced player. She has had quite a poor tournament but her OTB results in tournaments like the 2019 Malaysian Open and 2018 Olympiad show she is capable of beating or drawing with much higher rated players when playing at her best. However she seems to be an incredibly inconsistent player losing massive amounts of rating points with bad performances.

Over Sri Lanka have produced a team of young players who seem to be improving and whose only real surprise was beating us. Perhaps that tells us as much as about the Australian team as it does the Sri Lankan team.

And a a more general note it is quite clear Sri Lanka has a larger and more active group of female players in FIDE rated events than Australia and they seem to be producing some decently talented young players, perhaps more so than us.

MichaelBaron
23-10-2020, 10:44 AM
The five players in the Sri Lankan team competed in and finished in the same order the Sri Lankan Women's championship.
They, apart from board 5, have much higher FIDE standard ratings than their rapid ratings. All the team have ratings between 1745 and 1711. Still not very high but a lot higher than 1400 or 1500 rapid ratings.
The top 4 boards are teenagers who appear to be improving players who have gained lots of standard ratings points in the last couple of years. In Sri Lankan women's championship the top 3 boards all gained around 100 rating points while board 4 gained over 50. This indicates the performed well above their ratings.
Apart from beating us their other performances are not really that special and it is only by beating us that they made the final 8 ahead of us.
Board 1 has done nothing to suggest she is anything but a 1700 hundred player.
Board 2 has had a decent tournament apart from the highlight of beating Julia Ryjanova.
Board 3 has been the standout of the team with 6.5/8 points with again beating Jilin Zhang being the highlight performance. She is 14 or 15 years old and has had good OTB performances such as last years World Youth Championship 14 girls.
Board 4 has had a reasonably good tournament but again beating Heather Richards is the highlight result.
Board 5 is the oldest of the team, she is 25-26 and an experienced player. She has had quite a poor tournament but her OTB results in tournaments like the 2019 Malaysian Open and 2018 Olympiad show she is capable of beating or drawing with much higher rated players when playing at her best. However she seems to be an incredibly inconsistent player losing massive amounts of rating points with bad performances.

Over Sri Lanka have produced a team of young players who seem to be improving and whose only real surprise was beating us. Perhaps that tells us as much as about the Australian team as it does the Sri Lankan team.

And a a more general note it is quite clear Sri Lanka has a larger and more active group of female players in FIDE rated events than Australia and they seem to be producing some decently talented young players, perhaps more so than us.

I think....you missed my point...There is a limit how much and how fast a player can usually improve....leave alone the entire team improving. Therefore, I find the results not only outstanding but...rather extraordinary...

However, of course they could all be improving and we have to wait for the next OTB team event to see the scope of this improvement.

Ian Rout
23-10-2020, 11:40 AM
I think....you missed my point...There is a limit how much and how fast a player can usually improve....leave alone the entire team improving. Therefore, I find the results not only outstanding but...rather extraordinary...

However, of course they could all be improving and we have to wait for the next OTB team event to see the scope of this improvement.In a Swiss it's at least as important to be lucky as good. Below the top few places similar finishers can play vastly different fields. Sri Lanka played none of the other qualifiers apart from the eight placed Kyrgyzstan for a 2-2 draw. Of their 11 match points 6 came from beating Syria, Palestine and wooden-spooners Kuwait.

On the other hand Kazakhstan missed out by one point after playing six of the qualifiers, including Sri Lanka who they beat 4-0 thereby possibly assisting Sri Lanka's Swiss Gambit.

So Sri Lanka's result is impressive and well above their seeding, but not really astonishing.

Kevin Bonham
23-10-2020, 04:51 PM
First leg Australia 3-1 Indonesia. Second leg coming up.

Anton refused two draws and then beat his opponent out of not much in the endgame. Max had a difficult looking position but his opponent's time trouble proved fatal.

Vlad
23-10-2020, 04:59 PM
Anton refused two draws and then beat his opponent out of not much in the endgame.

Not much?! Strongly disagree, we studied knight vs bishop endings when he was 8. This is how classy gms beat less classy ones. :lol:

Kevin Bonham
23-10-2020, 05:09 PM
Not much?! Strongly disagree, we studied knight vs bishop endings when he was 8. This is how classy gms beat less classy ones. :lol:

Opponent didn't have to allow N vs B, though.

Opponent also missed 44.Kc3 winning - played 44.Bb8 in 0.8 seconds. :doh:

Kevin Bonham
23-10-2020, 06:07 PM
Second leg Australia 3.5-0.5 Indonesia and through to the semis. Good job team!

Kevin Bonham
23-10-2020, 06:39 PM
Our semi against Iran is tomorrow.

Lekko
23-10-2020, 07:41 PM
Not much?! Strongly disagree, we studied knight vs bishop endings when he was 8. This is how classy gms beat less classy ones. :lol:

Was 3. Nc3 planned by Anton in the second game? We were hypothesizing that he was expecting a benoni.

MichaelBaron
23-10-2020, 07:47 PM
Second leg Australia 3.5-0.5 Indonesia and through to the semis. Good job team!

Great effort - a very convincing Victory against the team that has previously done well against Australia.

Scott Colliver
23-10-2020, 07:52 PM
Well done to the team on an excellent win.

The next match will be very tough against Iran, hopefully we can beat them

Vlad
23-10-2020, 07:53 PM
Was 3. Nc3 planned by Anton in the second game? We were hypothesizing that he was expecting a benoni.

I think you can ask Anton yourself. Just invite him to be a guest speaker on your channel. ;)

Vlad
23-10-2020, 08:01 PM
Well done to the team on an excellent win.

The next match will be very tough against Iran, hopefully we can beat them

The four strongest teams have qualified with a fair pairing for tomorrow where each of the two top teams playing against two bottom teams.

There are additional security measures to stop cheating starting from today. Do these measures really work?? Surprised in disbelief...:clap:

Scott Colliver
23-10-2020, 08:06 PM
I think....you missed my point...There is a limit how much and how fast a player can usually improve....leave alone the entire team improving. Therefore, I find the results not only outstanding but...rather extraordinary...

However, of course they could all be improving and we have to wait for the next OTB team event to see the scope of this improvement.

No, I get you are suggesting the team is cheating. They might be, but there is a more charitable point of view.

Lekko
24-10-2020, 09:58 AM
I think you can ask Anton yourself. Just invite him to be a guest speaker on your channel. ;)

I figured he was too busy beating up 2600s to have time for such a small time stream ��

But he's always welcome to provide commentary if he's available.

Vlad
24-10-2020, 03:20 PM
I think he can make a short appearance after both games are finished.

Send me a message if you do not know his mobile number. Thanks.

Andy009
24-10-2020, 06:03 PM
I think he can make a short appearance after both games are finished.

Send me a message if you do not know his mobile number. Thanks.

Australia upset Iran and in finals.well done team!

Kevin Bonham
24-10-2020, 06:04 PM
Was out longer than expected in the field today and missed the games. Maybe I should stay away more often if we get results like this! (1.5-2.5 followed by 3.5-0.5 and through on board points.)

We play India in the final tomorrow.

Vlad
25-10-2020, 10:01 AM
Australia upset Iran and in finals.well done team!

Looks like we got lucky twice yesterday! Not only Iranian board 2 accidentally dropped a piece due to a mouse slip, but also their board 3 lost due to disconnection. I would say even 1 of these events would be enough for Australia to qualify. The tiebreak used is the Berlin system. This means that if the final outcome was 4-4, one would check the results on board 1. As Anton was victorious with 1.5/0.5 this means Australia would qualify.

Well, I would say we need a similar kind of luck tonight. The expectation (same as yesterday) is that we go down 2.5/1.5 in each match. Please bring us similar luck!:lol:

P.S. Is not it a famous Australian way to win in the Olympiads; Steven Bradbury's style.:cool:

Kevin Bonham
25-10-2020, 10:29 AM
Looks like we got lucky twice yesterday! Not only Iranian board 2 accidentally dropped a piece due to a mouse slip, but also their board 3 lost due to disconnection. I would say even 1 of these events would be enough for Australia to qualify. The tiebreak used is the Berlin system. This means that if the final outcome was 4-4, one would check the results on board 1. As Anton was victorious with 1.5/0.5 this means Australia would qualify.

"Berlin System" as explained in the tiebreak rules is 4 points for board 1, 3 for board 2, 2 for board 3, 1 for board 4. So yes, either Temur or Max could have lost with all other results the same and we still would have qualified, given that we lost on board 3 in the first round and won on board 1 in the second.

ElevatorEscapee
25-10-2020, 03:59 PM
Looks like we got lucky twice yesterday! Not only Iranian board 2 accidentally dropped a piece due to a mouse slip, but also their board 3 lost due to disconnection. I would say even 1 of these events would be enough for Australia to qualify. The tiebreak used is the Berlin system. This means that if the final outcome was 4-4, one would check the results on board 1. As Anton was victorious with 1.5/0.5 this means Australia would qualify.

Well, I would say we need a similar kind of luck tonight. The expectation (same as yesterday) is that we go down 2.5/1.5 in each match. Please bring us similar luck!:lol:

P.S. Is not it a famous Australian way to win in the Olympiads; Steven Bradbury's style.:cool:

There is actually an Aussie chess precedent for similar luck too. The International Telechess world team championship in the early 1990s was won by the Australian team after a protest saw the Soviet team disqualified from the semi-final, and the other remaining team, East Germany, (which had defeated the Soviet team on tiebreak), could no longer represent East Germany as it had unified with West Germany. Ian Rogers gives a good account of the story here: https://gardinerchess.com.au/gm-rogers-the-mouse-that-roared-part-2/

Kevin Bonham
25-10-2020, 04:45 PM
Australia 2.5-1.5 India in the first leg so India will be fired up for round 2.

For tiebreak purposes if needed: we won on boards 1 and 3 and lost on 4.

Another endgame win for Anton against Adhiban, who this time allowed Anton to swap into a pure pawn ending that was lost.

Andy009
25-10-2020, 04:45 PM
Aussies beat India 2.5 to 1.5 first round!

ER
25-10-2020, 04:48 PM
So what happens now?

Gambyte
25-10-2020, 05:43 PM
Australia wins!!

Scott Colliver
25-10-2020, 05:44 PM
So what happens now?

We win the whole thing.

Australia wins the Asian Nations Cup

Andy009
25-10-2020, 05:47 PM
Congrats men.well done!

Kevin Bonham
25-10-2020, 05:50 PM
Not a full-strength Indian team, but four 2600s all the same and we have beaten them! (Second match 2-2 with Temur winning, Anton and Moulthun drawing and Max losing after it no longer mattered.)

Great work team + captain. Excellent!

Scott Colliver
25-10-2020, 05:55 PM
Not a full-strength Indian team, but four 2600s all the same and we have beaten them! (Second match 2-2 with Temur winning, Anton and Moulthun drawing and Max losing after it no longer mattered.)

Great work team + captain. Excellent!

Can only beat the opponents who are put up. India could have played Anand, Harikrishna and Vidit but they did not and we beat them fair and square. A great victory.

MichaelBaron
25-10-2020, 06:45 PM
Fantastic result today!

Desmond
25-10-2020, 06:46 PM
We win the whole thing.

Australia wins the Asian Nations Cup

That's amazing, well done!

JackRodgers
25-10-2020, 10:05 PM
Not much?! Strongly disagree, we studied knight vs bishop endings when he was 8. This is how classy gms beat less classy ones. :lol:

Your son only needed 20 moves of Sicilian theory to beat me when he was aged 8, I don't doubt he could manage knight vs bishop endings then. :)

Vlad
26-10-2020, 10:01 AM
There is actually an Aussie chess precedent for similar luck too. The International Telechess world team championship in the early 1990s was won by the Australian team after a protest saw the Soviet team disqualified from the semi-final, and the other remaining team, East Germany, (which had defeated the Soviet team on tiebreak), could no longer represent East Germany as it had unified with West Germany. Ian Rogers gives a good account of the story here: https://gardinerchess.com.au/gm-rogers-the-mouse-that-roared-part-2/

Sure, looks like we had plenty of luck yesterday.

1) Anton blundered badly in his first game but opponent did not notice. He was also pretty lost in the second game.

2) Nihal Sarin was playing tired from France. The Indian captain decided to use him in the last moment.

3) Max had no internet connection at home and had to play from a coffee shop.

4) Moulthun had no power in his apartment. He could not play in the first game. He only played in the second game in a dark room relying on his battery. Cess.com has a rule, that if you disconnect during a game 3 times, you lose it automatically. After Moulthun disconnected twice, he made a draw offer. The opponent had only seconds left and accepted it. Seconds later Moulthun disconnected for the third time.

After all this it was funny to listen in the zoom closing ceremony people pushing Leonid - tell us your secret, how did you do it?!:lol:

Leonid Sandler
26-10-2020, 12:38 PM
Sure, looks like we had plenty of luck yesterday.

1) Anton blundered badly in his first game but opponent did not notice. He was also pretty lost in the second game.

2) Nihal Sarin was playing tired from France. The Indian captain decided to use him in the last moment.

3) Max had no internet connection at home and had to play from a coffee shop.

4) Moulthun had no power in his apartment. He could not play in the first game. He only played in the second game in a dark room relying on his battery. Cess.com has a rule, that if you disconnect during a game 3 times, you lose it automatically. After Moulthun disconnected twice, he made a draw offer. The opponent had only seconds left and accepted it. Seconds later Moulthun disconnected for the third time.

After all this it was funny to listen in the zoom closing ceremony people pushing Leonid - tell us your secret, how did you do it?!:lol:

Hot of the press! https://www.sbs.com.au/language/russian/audio/chess-news-australian-team-won-asian-online-nations-cup

Igor_Goldenberg
26-10-2020, 06:41 PM
Absolutely brilliant! A fantastic achievement.

Capablanca-Fan
27-10-2020, 05:42 AM
Not much?! Strongly disagree, we studied knight vs bishop endings when he was 8. This is how classy gms beat less classy ones. :lol:
I thought it was when he was 6 (http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?6554-Bishop-and-knight-checkmate&p=163784&viewfull=1#post163784).

Vlad
27-10-2020, 07:52 AM
I thought it was when he was 6 (http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?6554-Bishop-and-knight-checkmate&p=163784&viewfull=1#post163784).

KNB vs K we studied when he was 6. The goal was to mate within a minute. This time I was talking about more general endings where one side has a knight while the other one has a bishop. Both have multiple pawns.

antichrist
27-10-2020, 08:08 AM
KNB vs K we studied when he was 6. The goal was to mate within a minute. This time I was talking about more general endings where one side has a knight while the other one has a bishop. Both have multiple pawns.

But Vlad can you match a student performing a smother mate in maybe first competition game just weeks after learning the moves of pieces?

Gambyte
27-10-2020, 02:35 PM
Is this the first major international teams tournament Australia has won?

antichrist
27-10-2020, 04:58 PM
Certainly an memorial event that Australian has been heading towards for about 20 years.

Kevin Bonham
27-10-2020, 05:09 PM
Is this the first major international teams tournament Australia has won?

No; see http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?18174-2020-Asian-Online-Nations-Cup-(Oct-10-25)&p=473440&viewfull=1#post473440

Vlad
27-10-2020, 07:54 PM
No; see http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?18174-2020-Asian-Online-Nations-Cup-(Oct-10-25)&p=473440&viewfull=1#post473440

In terms of the modern world, it would be an equivalent win to when all the opponents lost due to disconnection.:lol:

Capablanca-Fan
28-10-2020, 03:14 AM
KNB vs K we studied when he was 6. The goal was to mate within a minute. This time I was talking about more general endings where one side has a knight while the other one has a bishop. Both have multiple pawns.

Thanks. Impressive by both teacher and pupil.

Adamski
29-10-2020, 09:39 PM
I add my congratulations to the Australian team on a huge achievement. Well done!!

ER
08-11-2020, 05:09 AM
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Congrats son!