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Gnostic Bishop
17-05-2020, 12:04 AM
Was Judas a hero and most trusted disciple, or a traitor?

Most people see Judas as a traitor in the myth of the crucifixion. Few recognize that Jesus was asking his most trusted disciple, Judas, to turn him over to the Jews and Pilate.

Most are unaware of the meaning of the sop that Jesus gave to Judas at the last supper. Without knowing the definition and meaning of that word, it is not surprising that most think of Judas as they do. The completely wrong way.

A sop is basically a gift or conciliatory bribe, something that seals a deal. That is what Jesus gave Judas, his most trusted disciple. We know he was Jesusí favorite because he was Jesusí banker.

Dictionary reference for sop.
Something that is done or given to someone in order to prevent trouble, gain support, etc.
A conciliatory gift or bribe.

Without the betrayal, Jesus would not have died for us, as Yahweh had planned, and scriptures say that Judas also had no choice as that would have derailed godís plan.

If any blame for Jesusí death is to be given, it must be to Yahweh, whose plan, scriptures say must come to pass. Meaning that Yahweh would have to control all the players including Judas.

Scriptures show Jesus persuading Judas to do what he would not ordinarily have thought of doing.

Judas believed that Jesus was the messiah who was to rise again to lead the Jews. This lie imposed by Yahweh.

Was Judas a good man doing Jesusí will or was he a traitor?

Regards
DL

Scott Colliver
17-05-2020, 09:02 AM
Judas was a traitor, he was betraying his master for money.

The sop was not Jesus saying to Judas that he should give him but Jesus saying to Judas I know what you are going to do, don't do it.

Gnostic Bishop
30-05-2020, 03:01 AM
Judas was a traitor, he was betraying his master for money.

The sop was not Jesus saying to Judas that he should give him but Jesus saying to Judas I know what you are going to do, don't do it.

Yet scriptures I read have Jesus saying, do it quickly.

Either you or I are reading the story the wrong way.

Get your quote and I will reply with mine, if you have one. If not, your looking will confirm what I said Jesus said.

Regards
DL