PDA

View Full Version : FIDE World Womens Champs Match Ju vs Goryachkina Jan 5-24



Kevin Bonham
01-01-2020, 12:31 AM
Shanghai
4 Jan Opening Ceremony
5-6 Jan Game 1-2
8-9 Jan Game 3-4
11-12 Jan Game 5-6

Vladivostok 15 Jan Opening Ceremony
16-17 Jan Game 7-8
19-20 Jan Game 9-10
22-23 Jan Game 11-12
24 Jan Tiebreaks or Closing Ceremony

Ian Rout
05-01-2020, 10:57 AM
The challenger has drawn White in the first game, chess24 broadcast starts tonight (6:30pm Aust Eastern Summer).

chess24 is promising commentary by Nigel Short, accompanied by WGM Zhang Ziaowen. Unlike many other broadcasts, Nigel will have the benefit of not having his co-commentator chirruping in his ear about moving to the "ladies" section.

Desmond
05-01-2020, 04:10 PM
The challenger has drawn White in the first game, chess24 broadcast starts tonight (6:30pm Aust Eastern Summer).

chess24 is promising commentary by Nigel Short, accompanied by WGM Zhang Ziaowen. Unlike many other broadcasts, Nigel will have the benefit of not having his co-commentator chirruping in his ear about moving to the "ladies" section.

5:30pm AEST :P

Link here: https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/fide-womens-world-championship-2020/1/1/1

Kevin Bonham
05-01-2020, 05:29 PM
Video seldom working at the moment.

Desmond
05-01-2020, 07:08 PM
Video seldom working at the moment.

I can hear his mansplaining OK.

Garvinator
05-01-2020, 10:12 PM
Video seldom working at the moment.

China has the great firewall of China and for the general folk, a lot of google services, and youtube are banned. The only way to access these services in China is through a vpn.

I would assume for this event that the CCP has given permission for the event to be broadcast on Youtube, but it is no surprise to me that the transmission is choppy and there is a massive lag.

Events like this, when doing their internet broadcast, usually do struggle during the first game. So, it is no surprise to me that the broadcast is lagging and the degree of lag would also be dependent on your internet connection as well.

Hopefully the organisers can sort this out before the second game, as I tried to watch the first game on youtube through fide chess and found it very difficult to watch due to the lag issues.

As for the commentary, if you don't like it, mute quite often improves the commentary standard :)

One thing I also want in these matches and main tournaments is that the commentators use two boards on the screen. One is the game board, with the game position and this only changes when there is a move. And then the commentators use a second board to show their commentary and analysis.

It pisses me off no end when there is only one board and the commentators are throwing pieces and positions around from the entire game, when all as a spectator is you want to analyse the position yourself and sometimes come to your own conclusion, and then see how accurate that is.

Kevin Bonham
05-01-2020, 11:43 PM
Game 1. After a harmless looking start Goryachkina seemed to get something out of nothing after the passive 35...Be8, but it's unclear if there was ever anything actually there or just a position that looked good. It will be interesting to see if in-depth analysis finds any way she could have won.

Goryachkina - Ju

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Be7 5.g3 0-0 6.Bg2 dxc4 7.Ne5 c5 8.dxc5 Qxd1+ 9.Nxd1 Bxc5 10.0-0 Nc6 11.Bxc6 bxc6 12.Be3 Bb6 13.Bxb6 axb6 14.Nxc6 Bb7 15.Nb4 Nd5 16.Nxd5 Bxd5 17.Nc3 Bc6 18.Rfd1 Rfd8 19.f3 Kf8 20.Kf2 Ke7 21.Rxd8 Rxd8 22.Ke3 e5 23.Rd1 Ra8 24.a3 Ke6 25.Na2 Ba4 26.Rd2 f6 27.Kf2 Bc6 28.e4 g6 29.Ke3 f5 30.exf5+ gxf5 31.f4 h5 32.fxe5 Kxe5 33.Rd4 b5 34.Nc3 Ra7 35.Ne2 Be8 36.Rd8 Re7 37.Nf4 Kf6+ 38.Kd2 Re5 39.Nd5+ Kf7 40.Rd6 Bc6 41.Nf4 Bf3 42.h4 Bg4 43.Rd5 Kf6 44.Rxe5 Kxe5 45.Ke3 Bd1 46.Ng6+ Kf6 47.Nf8 Ke5 48.Nd7+ Ke6 49.Nb8 Kd5 50.Na6 Ke5 51.Nb4 Bg4 52.Nc2 Bd1 53.Nd4 Ba4 54.Ne2 Bd1 55.Nd4 Ba4 56.Nc6+ Kd6 57.Nd8 Ke5 58.Nf7+ Ke6 59.Ng5+ Ke5 60.Nh3 Bd1 61.Nf4 Bg4 62.Ng2 Bd1 63.Ne1 Bg4 64.Nc2 Bd1 65.Nb4 Ba4 66.Na2 Bb3 67.Nc3 Ba4 68.Kf3 Kd4 69.Ke2 Kc5 70.Ke3 Bc2 71.Ne2 Bd1 72.Nd4 Bg4 73.Nc2 Bd1 74.Nb4 Bg4 75.Na2 Bd1 76.Kd2 Bf3 77.Nc3 Bc6 78.Ke3 Bd7 79.Ne2 b4 80.axb4+ Kxb4 81.Kd2 Bc6 82.Nf4 Bf3 83.Ne6 Bg4 84.Kc2 Bf3 85.Nd4 Bg4 86.Kd2 Kc5 87.Ke3 Kd5 88.Nb5 Kc5 89.Nc3 Kb4 90.Kd4 Kb3 91.Nd5 Be2 92.Ne3 Bd3 93.Kc5 Be2 94.Kd5 Bd3 95.Kd4 Be2 96.Kc5 Bd3 97.Kd4 1/2-1/2

ER
06-01-2020, 03:59 AM
From FIDE website
The biggest prize fundó500,000 eurosóin the history of women's chess championships brings a greater emphasis on women's chess and represents a shift in priorities.

Kevin Bonham
06-01-2020, 09:00 PM
Game 2

https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/fide-womens-world-championship-2020/1/1/2

The commentators and the engines criticised Goryachkina's 16...Bg5 but Ju missed or declined the most interesting line 18.g4.

Desmond
06-01-2020, 10:34 PM
Such a boring game. They are not allowed to agree to a draw prior to black's 40th move. And they agree to a draw, you guessed it, on black's 40th move.

Kevin Bonham
06-01-2020, 10:56 PM
Such a boring game. They are not allowed to agree to a draw prior to black's 40th move. And they agree to a draw, you guessed it, on black's 40th move.

Suspect they were both exhausted after yesterday but yes I lost interest around move 23 or so.

Hope we get a Karsten MŁller analysis of game 1 sometime (or someone else who is very good with endgames) - Chessbase keeps posting automated analysis that is often just rubbish.

Desmond
08-01-2020, 10:51 PM
Game 3 also drawn https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/fide-womens-world-championship-2020/1/1/3

Garvinator
09-01-2020, 09:53 PM
I am unsure which is worse.

1) The consistent buffering issues with the live stream, which I believe is caused by this part of the match being in China
2) Nigel Short's commentary.

A pet hate of mine is when commentators start throwing pieces around the board and make wild statements, quite often off topic, and forget that a move on the board has been played, which was not part of their analysis.

Desmond
09-01-2020, 09:59 PM
I am unsure which is worse.

1) The consistent buffering issues with the live stream, which I believe is caused by this part of the match being in China
2) Nigel Short's commentary.

A pet hate of mine is when commentators start throwing pieces around the board and make wild statements, quite often off topic, and forget that a move on the board has been played, which was not part of their analysis.
I'd take his commentary over his leering.

Desmond
09-01-2020, 10:25 PM
Wenjun Ju takes the first win!

Maybe one for the "take care when going into a pawn ending" thread.

Kevin Bonham
09-01-2020, 10:34 PM
Yes, was just thinking that. As unpleasant as the queen ending is, the pawn ending is simply lost.

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.a4 e6 6.e3 c5 7.Bxc4 cxd4 8.exd4 Nc6 9.0-0 Be7 10.d5 exd5 11.Nxd5 Nxd5 12.Bxd5 0-0 13.Be3 Bf5 14.Qb3 Nb4 15.Rfd1 Qa5 16.Ne5 Nxd5 17.Rxd5 Qa6 18.Nd7 Be6 19.Nxf8 Kxf8 20.Qb5 Bxd5 21.Qxd5 Rd8 22.Qe4 h6 23.g3 b6 24.Rc1 f6 25.Kg2 Rc8 26.Rxc8+ Qxc8 27.Qd5 Ke8 28.h4 Qd7 29.Qg8+ Bf8 30.Qc4 h5 31.Kh2 Be7 32.b3 Kf8 33.Qc2 Bd6 34.Qe4 Bc5 35.Bxc5+ bxc5 36.a5 Qe7 37.Qa8+ Kf7 38.a6 g6 39.Qd5+ Kg7 40.Qb7 Kf8 41.Kg2 Ke8 42.Qa8+ Kf7 43.Qd5+ Kg7 44.Kf3 Kf8 45.Qb7 Ke8 [45...g5] 46.Qd5 [46.Qxe7+ wins as per the game but five moves faster] 46...Kf8 47.Kf4 Qc7+ 48.Ke3 Qc8 49.Qb7 Qd8 50.Kf3 Qe7 [50...Ke8 is possibly OK.] 51.Qxe7+ Kxe7 52.g4 Kd6 53.gxh5 gxh5 54.Ke4 Kc6 55.f4 Kb5 56.Kd5 f5 57.Kd6 Kb6 58.Kd7 Ka5 59.Kc7 Kxa6 60.Kc6 Ka5 61.Kxc5 Ka6 62.b4 Kb7 63.Kd5 1-0

MichaelBaron
09-01-2020, 10:39 PM
Great endgame technique with queen exchange and G4!

Garvinator
09-01-2020, 11:06 PM
Whilst Nigel Short was critical of Wenjun for not finding 46. Qxe7 Kxe7 47. g5 at the first opportunity, if Wenjun had seen 47. g5 but was not sure if it was 'winning' or just a good advantage, I think in terms of game play, I think delaying the capture by a couple of moves was good game play. Alexsandra had 25 minutes left on the clock (plus the 30 second increment) when 47. g5 was first available, but by delaying the capture for a few moves, Wenjun left Alexsandra with 10 minutes give or take, to try and work out how to solve the resulting King and pawn endgame.

Garvinator
09-01-2020, 11:08 PM
Hopefully all the issues we have collectively noticed with the coverage will improve when the match moves to Vladivostok. No Giant Firewall of China and hopefully new commentators.

Capablanca-Fan
10-01-2020, 01:33 AM
Ju wins the sort of grind that one expects to see from Carlsen. I suppose that Ju had to see well in advance that after White takes on f5 and Black on b4, White will queen with check.

Kevin Bonham
10-01-2020, 06:12 PM
Hopefully all the issues we have collectively noticed with the coverage will improve when the match moves to Vladivostok. No Giant Firewall of China and hopefully new commentators.

Watch what you wish for; it might be Miroschnichenko.

Garvinator
10-01-2020, 09:34 PM
Watch what you wish for; it might be Miroschnichenko.

Thanks for that, no really, much appreciated :rolleyes: If that is true, hopefully he is on the Russian channel :P

At least we won't have to deal with the buffering issues caused in China. When watching these coverages online, I really do wish they would have two boards showing. One being the live game position and another one that the commentators use for their analysis. Either that, or have a small camera high over the board, that shows both the current game position and the clock times and then the second board for the commentators analysis.

If they did either of those, if I did not want to hear the commentary, but still be able to follow the game, I could just watch the live board and put the commentary on mute :lol:

Desmond
11-01-2020, 08:46 AM
Thanks for that, no really, much appreciated :rolleyes: If that is true, hopefully he is on the Russian channel :P

At least we won't have to deal with the buffering issues caused in China. When watching these coverages online, I really do wish they would have two boards showing. One being the live game position and another one that the commentators use for their analysis. Either that, or have a small camera high over the board, that shows both the current game position and the clock times and then the second board for the commentators analysis.

If they did either of those, if I did not want to hear the commentary, but still be able to follow the game, I could just watch the live board and put the commentary on mute :lol:Have 2 browsers, 1 with the commentary and 1 with the live game

Kevin Bonham
11-01-2020, 10:01 PM
The challenger strikes back:

1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 e6 3. e4 d5 4. cxd5 exd5 5. e5 Ne4 6. Nf3 Bf5 7. d3 Nxc3
8. bxc3 c5 9. d4 Qa5 10. Bd2 Nc6 11. c4 Qd8 12. Qb3 Be4 13. Qxb7 Rc8 14.
Bg5 Be7 15. Bxe7 Nxe7 16. Qb5+ Qd7 17. cxd5 Bxd5 18. Qxd7+ Kxd7 19. Bb5+
Ke6 20. Ng5+ Kf5 21. h4 cxd4 22. Bd7+ Kxe5 23. Bxc8 Rxc8 24. O-O Kd6 25.
Rfe1 Rc2 26. a3 h6 27. Ne4+ Bxe4 28. Rxe4 Nc6 29. h5 g6 30. Rf4 gxh5 31.
Rxf7 d3 32. Rd1 d2 33. Rf3 Ne5 34. Rf4 Nc6 35. Kf1 Ke5 36. Rf3 Na5 37. Ke2
Nc4 38. Rh3 Ra2 39. Rxh5+ Kd4 40. Rh4+ Kc5 41. Rh3 a5 42. f4 Kd5 43. Rf3
Ke6 44. g4 a4 45. Rh3 Kd5 46. f5 Ke5 47. Rc3 Nxa3 48. Rc5+ Kd6 49. f6 Nc2
50. Rc4 Na3 51. Rf4 Kd5 1-0

Garvinator: Nigel Short just said it's him and Hou Yifan in Vladivostok.

Kevin Bonham
11-01-2020, 10:09 PM
The FIDE twitter account has just mistakenly tweeted:

"... and it is a draw!

Goryachkina was very close to bounce back and win the fifth game, but the Champion’s heroic defense allowed her to get away with a draw after 97 moves. The score after the fifth game is 3-2 for the Chinese #WomenChessMatch"

Clearly someone is getting confused with game one.

[edit: deleted now. I was going to quote-tweet it if it lasted another three minutes.]

Garvinator
12-01-2020, 09:39 PM
What a d**khead. Nigel Short seems more concerned about his flight than the game at hand. Feel free to go catch your flight. You have about a 10 percent success rate at guessing what move in the game will be played.

Desmond
13-01-2020, 09:23 AM
What a d**khead. Nigel Short seems more concerned about his flight than the game at hand. Feel free to go catch your flight. I assume this only got worse, as the 50-move rule was nearly hit :lol:

MichaelBaron
13-01-2020, 09:50 AM
Not a very exciting game. The only thing I found curious is that the position was totally closed/drawn...but Stockfish was assessing it as -1

Garvinator
14-01-2020, 10:25 PM
Have 2 browsers, 1 with the commentary and 1 with the live game

Catching up on some comments. I watch the coverage through youtube via FIDE Chess. So the coverage via that medium is when the commentators are present, they show the live board from a terrible angle and a demo board with the clock times and they use that board for the commentary analysis. But when the commentators take a break, we are left just watching the live board from an almost unwatchable angle.

Hence my suggestion that they should just a small camera, a go pro would be sufficient, placed high above the board, that allows showing the game position and the clocks. And I also recommended two demo boards. One is for the live position with clock times, the second one is for the commentators analysis.

If there were two boards showing as I have recommended, then commentators 'throwing' the pieces around the demo board would not bother me so much.

Garvinator
14-01-2020, 10:27 PM
Not a very exciting game. The only thing I found curious is that the position was totally closed/drawn...but Stockfish was assessing it as -1
It only started to become a boring game after all the pawns were fixed. Quite a bit before that, Alexsandra had opportunity to really gain quite an advantage, and with almost all the pawns were fixed, the commentators were able to offer suggestions for where traps were possible, so I think Ju is rather happy that the rest days have come now.

I enjoyed the game up until move 80, when I turned it off.

Desmond
15-01-2020, 07:37 AM
Catching up on some comments. I watch the coverage through youtube via FIDE Chess. So the coverage via that medium is when the commentators are present, they show the live board from a terrible angle and a demo board with the clock times and they use that board for the commentary analysis. But when the commentators take a break, we are left just watching the live board from an almost unwatchable angle.

Hence my suggestion that they should just a small camera, a go pro would be sufficient, placed high above the board, that allows showing the game position and the clocks. And I also recommended two demo boards. One is for the live position with clock times, the second one is for the commentators analysis.

If there were two boards showing as I have recommended, then commentators 'throwing' the pieces around the demo board would not bother me so much.

And if you have youtube in 1 browser, and the live position feed Eg from chess24 in another, using split screen, your problem will be solved. You could even have the youtube covering full screen and the small browser window in front exactly as you describe, if you wanted.

Kevin Bonham
16-01-2020, 07:56 PM
Any signs of Hou Yifan in commentary? I've only just tuned in and the co-commentator is WFM Eteri Kublashvili.

pappubahry
16-01-2020, 08:00 PM
Any signs of Hou Yifan in commentary? I've only just tuned in and the co-commentator is WFM Eteri Kublashvili.

Chess24 on Twitter (https://twitter.com/chess24com/status/1217687499520270336) says that Hou Yifan is expected to join tomorrow.

Desmond
17-01-2020, 07:16 PM
Chess24 on Twitter (https://twitter.com/chess24com/status/1217687499520270336) says that Hou Yifan is expected to join tomorrow.

Yes she's commentating today, answering Short inane questions like whether she or other top female players believe in god. :rolleyes:

MichaelBaron
17-01-2020, 08:07 PM
Unfortunately Goryachkina has taken the lead :(.

ER
17-01-2020, 08:30 PM
Go Aleksandra!!

4047

Garvinator
18-01-2020, 06:31 AM
Unfortunately Goryachkina has taken the lead :(.
Why the hate? As a fellow Russian, I thought you would be more likely to be cheering for her.

Capablanca-Fan
18-01-2020, 08:48 AM
Yes she's commentating today, answering Short inane questions like whether she or other top female players believe in god. :rolleyes:

Where is this? I hope Short will let Hou get a word in edgeways sometime, and stick to chess. OK, maybe a minute about what Hou is studying at Oxford, but then back to the chess. And at least the two will be of similar current strength, rather than Short totally outclassing the female commentator at least in chess skill.

Ian Rout
18-01-2020, 10:57 AM
Yes she's commentating today, answering Short inane questions like whether she or other top female players believe in god. :rolleyes:I haven't seen much of the commentary, though what I have seen wasn't real exciting. But it's normal when there's only one long-play game being covered to have dead spots that have to be filled in with fluff. I find it more annoying when the commentators carry on with extracurricular natter when there are a number of games going.

The spiritual leanings of players might be interesting, though there probably aren't any hard stats. I remember Morozovich's co-commentator (maybe Kosteniuk) looking stunned when he assured her that "astrology is a science".

Desmond
18-01-2020, 02:20 PM
Where is this?Maybe 10 moves or so before the end of the game. The segue was that he said he went to a lovely church to pray before a game (match vs Timman IIRC), despite not believing in god. He thougt that even if there was a 1% chance that there was a god, that it would be worth the effort.

Kevin Bonham
18-01-2020, 03:12 PM
https://www.news.com.au/sport/more-sports/iranian-chess-arbiter-shohreh-bayat-wont-return-to-iran-after-womens-world-chess-championship-furore/news-story/eb4fe3e8a2e1e9466bb9dc8d52bd70ac

Iranian arbiter of this match (or a part of it at least) won't return home after vision of her not wearing a hijab unsurprisingly made its way home. Said it wasn't a deliberate protest.

Garvinator
18-01-2020, 03:27 PM
Where is this? I hope Short will let Hou get a word in edgeways sometime, and stick to chess. OK, maybe a minute about what Hou is studying at Oxford, but then back to the chess. And at least the two will be of similar current strength, rather than Short totally outclassing the female commentator at least in chess skill.

I would not be surprised if Fide have not received some complaints regarding his commentary with Hou Yifan. Unfortunately he is Fide VP.

I really must have missed all his garbage in the past.

After the game had been going for a while and the position was ripe for discussion and analysis, especially from Hou, who would have some idea of how Wenjun Ju plays, he decides instead to start asking her about her opinions on transgender people in chess. Hou ducked the questions and I turned off the game for a while, in the hope that that 30 minutes later would have seen the discussion move back to the chess, but no, Nigel was then asking her about whether she is religious, has any superstitions and then comments himself as others have said.

I thought his commentary was way out of line for any top match to be commentating on. Apart from potentially being offensive, how is Hou, who is commentating her first game in this match, supposed to answer those questions?

Just plain ridiculous.

Capablanca-Fan
18-01-2020, 04:44 PM
Maybe 10 moves or so before the end of the game. The segue was that he said he went to a lovely church to pray before a game (match vs Timman IIRC), despite not believing in god. He thougt that even if there was a 1% chance that there was a god, that it would be worth the effort.

What a putz he is. Going on about Karpov's so-called greasy hair, then a monologue that Hou didn't really want to get into. she managed to get it back onto chess. Although English is obviously not Hou's first language, she sounds more fluent than Short with all his hesitations.

I agree with you and Garvinator.

https://youtu.be/j1sQL2lBjZM?t=13555

Garvinator
18-01-2020, 04:54 PM
Although English is obviously not Hou's first language, she sounds more fluent than Short with all his hesitations.
Just when I thought a lot of us had started giving Nigel Short the kicking he deserves, this gem is delivered. :whistle:

Frank
18-01-2020, 05:39 PM
Where is this? I hope Short will let Hou get a word in edgeways sometime, and stick to chess. OK, maybe a minute about what Hou is studying at Oxford, but then back to the chess.

The Blavatnik School of Government at Oxford University (https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/study/mpp/student-experiences/world-number-one-female-chess-player-future-policymaking) published the following comment on her in July 2019:

ďShe decided to study for a Master of Public Policy because it covers a wide spectrum of knowledge and concepts, leaving room to consider options for what to do next."

I didnít come on to the MPP with one fixed area of interest; I wanted to explore a range of different fields that are high on the agenda for policymakers at the moment, from energy policy, to cyber security, to counterterrorism. As events in the world move so quickly, itís been good to study topics of current importance.

"Yifan chose the counterterrorism module for the Policy Challenge, which this year focused on technology."

It tied in well with a previous module I had done on the cyber era. That was purely coincidence, but it shows how so many issues are interlinked and demonstrates the value of taking an interdisciplinary course like the MPP.

"Some of the technology-related topics Yifan has studied this year include issues like the Huawei case and the implications of state-owned media."

These topics are hugely relevant to me and I feel that Iíve gained a more objective view from exploring them on the course. I can now consider things not only from my own viewpoint as a Chinese citizen, but also from, for example, a Western angle. Iíve gained new perspectives in terms of geopolitics and a new understanding of the technological debate that underpins the political one.

"Yifan will be heading to New York for her summer project, working in the field of artificial intelligence and public health."

As someone with no previous internship experience, the summer project is a great opportunity for me to get some work experience and apply what Iíve learnt over the past year. Iím keeping an open mind about the main policy area Iíd ultimately like to pursue, so the summer project is the perfect length of time to get an idea of whether working in public health policy is something I want to take further.

***

In a telephone interview in chess.com (https://www.chess.com/article/view/hou-yifan-interview-chess) published 28 September 2019, she was asked:

ďDingís [top male Chinese player Ding Liren] peak rating of 2816 makes him the joint 10th-highest rated player in history. How much of a goal is it for you to surpass 2700?Ē [current rating 2664]

"Itís a goal but I would need to improve a lot of things. Firstly Iíd definitely need to be more professional than I am now, because while studying at Oxford University over the past year Iíve only played one tournament, a few rapid-play events, some blitz games. With playing so little, Iím not that up to date. If I really want to seriously break this barrier, I need to put more effort in. I think I can still combine high-level chess with my studies but maybe Iíd need to spend set periods, like summer break or Easter break playing. If I set up my schedule to include chess study every week, maybe not every day, that would be better than now!

***

GM Daniel Fernandez reported 3 March 2019 that Hou led Oxford to victory against Cambridge in their annual match.

Capablanca-Fan
19-01-2020, 09:05 AM
Thanks for the info ↑↑

Desmond
19-01-2020, 07:57 PM
What a putz he is. Going on about Karpov's so-called greasy hair, then a monologue that Hou didn't really want to get into. she managed to get it back onto chess. Although English is obviously not Hou's first language, she sounds more fluent than Short with all his hesitations.

I agree with you and Garvinator.

https://youtu.be/j1sQL2lBjZM?t=13555

Yes that was the moment, few mins after that.

I mean, he might be more circumspect about appearances. To me, his appearance reminds me a lot of that uncle. You know the one. At christmas or other obligatory gatherings. Cheeks glowing with evidence of a bottle of wine under his belt. Or more. Sat next to some poor young thing. Probably his niece. With just a few comments and a few leers. Yes dinner is so very very important.

MichaelBaron
19-01-2020, 10:14 PM
Dramatic game 9. And...the score is even again!

Kevin Bonham
20-01-2020, 10:39 PM
Bad loss for Goryachkina in game 10 - lost a game she had no business losing and was at some stages going well in. The incumbent is one up with two to play.

Capablanca-Fan
21-01-2020, 01:07 AM
A loss with White so close to the end is a blow to morale. Around W18, the computer was assessing the challenger's position as "much better", +1.3. Then she lost that advantage, but what was she thinking by allowing her K to be cut off with 53. Kb4?

MichaelBaron
21-01-2020, 02:06 AM
Bad loss for Goryachkina in game 10 - lost a game she had no business losing and was at some stages going well in. The incumbent is one up with two to play.

After watching Anand self-distract aganst Caruana...and blundering 2 queens in two allegros...nothing surprises me :).

Desmond
21-01-2020, 09:29 AM
A loss with White so close to the end is a blow to morale. Around W18, the computer was assessing the challenger's position as "much better", +1.3. Then she lost that advantage, but what was she thinking by allowing her K to be cut off with 53. Kb4?

Yes very odd play, the one that struck me as well was 24.b4, effectively handing black an open file and soon a protected passed pawn.

Garvinator
21-01-2020, 03:53 PM
Whilst yes, Goryachkina made mistakes in the ending, and clearly 53. Kb4 deserves criticism, that ending was already difficult, especially with only a few minutes on the clock. But I think the most bizarre and strange move was 21. Re3, allowing black to exchange and close the only open file into the black position.

Kevin Bonham
22-01-2020, 05:21 PM
Game 11 draw so Goryachkina must win with white tomorrow to force a playoff.

Desmond
22-01-2020, 07:09 PM
Game 11 draw so Goryachkina must win with white tomorrow to force a playoff.

Geez they must have blitzed that out. What's that - 40 moves in an hour?

Kevin Bonham
22-01-2020, 09:53 PM
Geez they must have blitzed that out. What's that - 40 moves in an hour?

If the board clocks are correct I get that they spent less than an hour each.

Garvinator
22-01-2020, 10:25 PM
If the board clocks are correct I get that they spent less than an hour each.

Youtube has the game at just over 2 hours. Take out some time for the channel starting before the game and any after game comments and just under to 2 hours would be about right.

Desmond
23-01-2020, 07:36 AM
If the board clocks are correct I get that they spent less than an hour each.

Makes sense - Ju is 1 game closer to victory, and Goryachkina preserves her energy to try to win with White.

I think the "40 move no draw" rule has been good, we have seen a lot of fighting games.

Garvinator
23-01-2020, 04:14 PM
A new saying that seems to have come into vogue - Win on demand.

With white having to win on demand, I would like to see at least a good attempted or successful kingside hack.

Kevin Bonham
23-01-2020, 04:36 PM
Did Ju really think for nearly 20 minutes after 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 ?

ElevatorEscapee
23-01-2020, 04:41 PM
Did Ju really think for nearly 20 minutes after 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 ?

I've just scrolled back the Youtube feed, and it certainly looks like it!

Garvinator
23-01-2020, 05:05 PM
Did Ju really think for nearly 20 minutes after 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 ?
Watching the game live from move one. Yes, Ju really did think for that long on move 2.

Kevin Bonham
23-01-2020, 05:41 PM
Not going too well for Goryachkina at the moment (move 20).

Kevin Bonham
23-01-2020, 07:08 PM
Not going too well for Goryachkina at the moment (move 20).

Much better now though (move 40).

Desmond
23-01-2020, 07:48 PM
And at the critical moment, Nigel spills his coffee all over the commentary table

Desmond
23-01-2020, 08:13 PM
Goryachkina wins so off to rapid tie break tomorrow.

Garvinator
23-01-2020, 09:25 PM
Overall, I think scores equal after 12 games is a decent reflection of the match. Alexsandra with white was able to gain the initiative in quite a few of those games and Wenjun had quite a lot of difficulties in equalising.

Even the general commentary made a note of saying during game 11 that Wenjun will need to find a way to get better positions as black as she has struggled as black.

After losing Game 9 as black, Alexsandra was in no mood to accept a draw, even when a repetition was in front of her. She didn't want a draw and didn't get one. :doh:

Off to the rapids tomorrow. Was surprised in the internet coverage that we didn't get to see the colours being drawn for the first game. I noted at the World Cup that if a match was tied 1-1, the arbiter would draw colours straight away. Thought same would happen here.

Kevin Bonham
23-01-2020, 09:36 PM
I think that generally Goryachkina's wins were by outplaying her opponent whereas two of Ju's wins were partly or entirely because Goryachkina stuffed up. Not sure what that predicts for tomorrow if anything!

Kevin Bonham
24-01-2020, 04:15 PM
Tiebreak is four 25+10s, plus up to five sets of 2*5/3, then Armageddon.

Desmond
24-01-2020, 04:15 PM
Seems to be a delay from the position feed to the commentary/video feed of a minute or so. A bit annoiying in the rapid because sometimes the position has advanced several moves ahead of the commentary.

Desmond
24-01-2020, 04:43 PM
Hmm first rapid drawn, after Goryachkina should have won it for much of the game.

Kevin Bonham
24-01-2020, 04:52 PM
Ten minutes is not much recovery time for a game like that!

MichaelBaron
24-01-2020, 06:23 PM
First 2 games, Ju survived by the skin of her teeth.

Kevin Bonham
24-01-2020, 06:27 PM
I followed the rook ending of game 2 via the 7-piece tablebases. It was always drawn.

Kevin Bonham
24-01-2020, 07:20 PM
Ju didn't give Goryachkina a chance to get out of it in game 3, and now Goryachkina has to win with white again. Good time for such a convincing win for Ju.

Kevin Bonham
24-01-2020, 08:48 PM
Well, you've gotta convert your chances and save your bad positions.

Goryachkina was seriously better in three playoff games and won none of them, Ju was better in one and won it.

Desmond
24-01-2020, 08:49 PM
Well, you've gotta convert your chances and save your bad positions.

Goryachkina was seriously better in three playoff games and won none of them, Ju was better in one and won it.

Good enough. It was a very interesting match.

MichaelBaron
24-01-2020, 10:11 PM
As someone pointed out on Facebook, With Short and Hou doing the commentary, it was a case of commentators being much stronger than the players. It was interesting to watch and see who wins...but overall level of play was 2500 at best...at times...

MichaelBaron
25-01-2020, 09:36 AM
As someone pointed out on Facebook, With Short and Hou doing the commentary, it was a case of commentators being much stronger than the players. It was interesting to watch and see who wins...but overall level of play was 2500 at best...at times...

Should also be noted that the Goryachkina team included 3 top notch trainers: Riazantsev, Rublevsky, Landa (Rublevsky used to be 2700+ himslef), she had several training sessions that ran for weeks in the lead up the match and throughout the match - she had strong support of the Russian Chess establishment. After she took lead in the match - Filatov (President of the Russian Chess Federation who also made himself captain of the Russian Men's team) announced: ''This is a historic win'' ....however the win turned out to be not that ''historic'' :).

Desmond
27-01-2020, 02:07 PM
As someone pointed out on Facebook, With Short and Hou doing the commentary, it was a case of commentators being much stronger than the players. It was interesting to watch and see who wins...but overall level of play was 2500 at best...at times...

Well, 2580. No doubt Short was stronger than that at his peak, but I'm not so sure he could reliably expect to win a match against as 2580 player these days. Certainly his commentary standard didn't really inspire confidence of it.