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lost
11-08-2019, 10:11 AM
Hi all,

I noticed the FIDE World Cup pairings are out and it is interesting to see GM Max Illingworth has withdrawing and now is going to be represented by FM Shaun Press from PNG. I believe this would be the first time anyone from PNG has represented the Zone at the World Cup. Below is the link to the pairings:

https://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS_2019/FIDE_News/World_cup_2019/World_Cup_2019_Round_1_no_color.pdf

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Ian Rout
11-08-2019, 12:14 PM
I believe this would be the first time anyone from PNG has represented the Zone at the World Cup.I think it will be the first time somebody from any country other than Australia has represented the zone.

Interesting that Magnus is sitting this one out.

Kevin Bonham
11-08-2019, 12:27 PM
I think it will be the first time somebody from any country other than Australia has represented the zone.

Correct. Previous representatives were Feldman, Wohl, Gluzman, Johansen, Lane, Zhao, Smerdon, Zhao, Bjelobrk, Illingworth and Smirnov, all AUS.

Also for the Women's event there have been cases of non-Australians winning the Zonal but I can't find any of a non-Australian representing the Zone. A few times there has been no representative.

lost
11-08-2019, 01:57 PM
I think it will be the first time somebody from any country other than Australia has represented the zone.

Interesting that Magnus is sitting this one out.

Had Magnus played, Shaun would of played him. Would have been a good experience.

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MichaelBaron
11-08-2019, 07:23 PM
Could it be that the lowest rated participant in History of the World Cup? And yes, playing Magnus would be lovely for him. Would be lovely for Magnus too!

Kevin Bonham
11-08-2019, 07:44 PM
Could it be that the lowest rated participant in History of the World Cup?

Yes, but when the World Cup was somewhat spuriously known as the World Championships, an unrated player Alexander Umgaev (Russia) played in the 1998 edition. Umgaev, then a 16-year old junior, was a nominee of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov. I think Umgaev was from Kalmykia. He is now rated 2205 but isn't very active as a player.

The lowest rated participant with a rating in the knockout World Championships was Tarik Abulhul (Libya, 2076) in 2000. Looks like Libya (the hosts) were given three wildcards.

The lowest rated in the World Cup era previously was IM Oladapo Adu (2241) of Nigeria in 2015.

MichaelBaron
11-08-2019, 09:08 PM
Yes, but when the World Cup was somewhat spuriously known as the World Championships, an unrated player Alexander Umgaev (Russia) played in the 1998 edition. Umgaev, then a 16-year old junior, was a nominee of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov. I think Umgaev was from Kalmykia. He is now rated 2205 but isn't very active as a player.

The lowest rated participant with a rating in the knockout World Championships was Tarik Abulhul (Libya, 2076) in 2000. Looks like Libya (the hosts) were given three wildcards.

The lowest rated in the World Cup era previously was IM Oladapo Adu (2241) of Nigeria in 2015.
I played Adu in online blitz on chess.com quite alot ...he is actually not that bad, certainly much stronger than Shaun. I think I managed +2 over 10 or so games.

Patrick Byrom
31-08-2019, 01:21 AM
Had Magnus played, Shaun would of played him. Would have been a good experience.
lostHe gets to play Ding Liren instead - probably the next best choice.

Capablanca-Fan
01-09-2019, 03:59 AM
He gets to play Ding Liren instead - probably the next best choice.

Do you think Ding will be the next challenger then?

Ian Rout
08-09-2019, 05:09 PM
Games are scheduled to start at 3pm local time, which is 8pm Aust Eastern so a good time for watching (someone might want to double-check that). Board 1 is likely to be a feature game.

It appears that FIDE will not be trying to stop broadcasts - I haven't seen that written down anywhere, but FIDE have scheduled a stream on their youtube channel which is listing the chess24 commentators so presumably a co-operative arrangement.

Ian Rout
10-09-2019, 03:55 PM
Not long to the kickoff. The top half have Black on the odd-numbered boards.

I found a couple of bookmaking sites offering odds (in order to avoid the appearance of encouraging betting I won't name them) - possibly others are fielding but require accounts to see the odds. Both agree that Ding Liren is the favourite and have odds at around 3/1 (one was shorter last week, so maybe not doing much business), with MVL second though Giri is the second seed. Shaun is 10,000/1. Only one site has odds for individual Round 1 matches; it has Shaun at 33/1 but isn't taking bets on Ding.

Kevin Bonham
10-09-2019, 06:14 PM
I've been slow on putting a poll up but I've added one - runs for 3 days so you can wait and see who gets KOd in round 1 if you like.

Kevin Bonham
10-09-2019, 10:38 PM
Press - Ding

1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 d6 3.g3 Nc6 4.Bg2 g6 5.d3 Bg7 6.Be3 Rb8 7.Qd2 b5 8.Nge2 b4 9.Nd1 h5 10.h3 e6 11.0-0 Nge7 12.f4 a5 13.Rb1 0-0 14.g4 hxg4 15.hxg4 f5 16.exf5 exf5 17.g5 Be6 18.b3 Nd5 19.Bf2 Nd4 20.Nxd4 cxd4 21.Re1 Bf7 22.Nb2 Ne3 23.Bxe3 dxe3 24.Qxe3 Re8 25.Qf2 Rxe1+ 26.Qxe1 Qb6+ 27.Kh2 Re8 28.Qf1 d5 29.Na4 Qd4 30.Kh1 Bf8 31.Rc1 Bd6 32.c3 bxc3 33.Nxc3 Bxf4 34.Rc2 Qh8+ 0-1

It seems that 23.Nc4 was OK.

MichaelBaron
10-09-2019, 11:41 PM
that was one of the first games to finish :)

MichaelBaron
11-09-2019, 02:13 AM
https://twitter.com/chesscupugra/status/1171430423177547776/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline% 7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AChess__News&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fchess-news.ru%2F

Ian Rout
11-09-2019, 04:10 PM
Press - Ding

1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 d6 3.g3 Nc6 4.Bg2 g6 5.d3 Bg7 6.Be3 Rb8 7.Qd2 b5 8.Nge2 b4 9.Nd1 h5 10.h3 e6 11.0-0 Nge7 12.f4 a5 13.Rb1 0-0 14.g4 hxg4 15.hxg4 f5 16.exf5 exf5 17.g5 Be6 18.b3 Nd5 19.Bf2 Nd4 20.Nxd4 cxd4 21.Re1 Bf7 22.Nb2 Ne3 23.Bxe3 dxe3 24.Qxe3 Re8 25.Qf2 Rxe1+ 26.Qxe1 Qb6+ 27.Kh2 Re8 28.Qf1 d5 29.Na4 Qd4 30.Kh1 Bf8 31.Rc1 Bd6 32.c3 bxc3 33.Nxc3 Bxf4 34.Rc2 Qh8+ 0-1

It seems that 23.Nc4 was OK.
I suppose this anti-Sicilian line worked for Spassky in the late 1960s but it seems to be considered a bit old hat at GM level these days, something else may have been more promising. However White did more or less equalise.

Anyway, Shaun needs a win tonight so we may see a Grunfeld.

MichaelBaron
11-09-2019, 05:35 PM
I suppose this anti-Sicilian line worked for Spassky in the late 1960s but it seems to be considered a bit old hat at GM level these days, something else may have been more promising. However White did more or less equalise.

Anyway, Shaun needs a win tonight so we may see a Grunfeld.

I think it is Ding who is going to play for win, irrespective of the fact that draw is enough for him.

Kevin Bonham
11-09-2019, 09:52 PM
Ding wins in 18 moves

1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e6 3.e4 d5 4.e5 Nfd7 5.d4 dxc4 6.Bxc4 Nb6 7.Bd3 c5 8.dxc5 Bxc5 9.Nf3 Nc6 10.0-0 h6 11.Qe2 Bd7 12.a3 Nd5 13.Ne4 Be7 14.b4 Qb8 15.Bb2 Nf4 16.Qe3 Nxd3 17.Qxd3 0-0 18.b5 1-0

MichaelBaron
11-09-2019, 10:09 PM
Gosh...

Vlad
11-09-2019, 11:37 PM
Just to cheer up. A game played earlier in the year and Ding Liren was on the receiving end...

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1961515

Desmond
12-09-2019, 06:08 AM
Just to cheer up. A game played earlier in the year and Ding Liren was on the receiving end...

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1961515As a winawer player, that is a beatiful thing!

PS Ding hit #2 on the live ratings with his victory over Press.

Capablanca-Fan
12-09-2019, 02:34 PM
Just to cheer up. A game played earlier in the year and Ding Liren was on the receiving end...

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1961515

Wow, so is that Anton's highest rated scalp?

MichaelBaron
12-09-2019, 02:34 PM
Just to cheer up. A game played earlier in the year and Ding Liren was on the receiving end...

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1961515

Pity that Anton is not the world cup. Anton vs Ding would certainly be more interesting to watch rather than Ding - Press

Adamski
12-09-2019, 06:03 PM
https://twitter.com/chesscupugra/status/1171430423177547776/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline% 7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AChess__News&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fchess-news.ru%2F
Shaun is in the photo very prominently!

Patrick Byrom
12-09-2019, 08:35 PM
Shaun is in the photo very prominently!He is featured in the Chess.com report as well (https://www.chess.com/news/view/2019-fide-chess-world-cup-round-1-day-1).

MichaelBaron
12-09-2019, 10:15 PM
Shaun is in the photo very prominently!

Yes, a privilege that comes with playing on board 1 :)

Patrick Byrom
12-09-2019, 11:47 PM
Pity that Anton is not the world cup. Anton vs Ding would certainly be more interesting to watch rather than Ding - PressMaybe so. But as no Aussie has progressed further than Shaun since Gary Lane back in 2005 (when his opponent forfeited), I'm not sure why you keep putting him down.

Ian Rout
13-09-2019, 12:29 PM
Pity that Anton is not the world cup. Anton vs Ding would certainly be more interesting to watch rather than Ding - PressThe players are seeded in rating order so Anton wouldn't have played Ding. At his current rating of 2573 (though he could have gained or lost points playing the Zonal and other warm-up events) he would have been seeded 106 and played David Navara, who incidentally was eliminated in the first round.

Kevin Bonham
13-09-2019, 10:54 PM
Nisipeanu - Nakamura

1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 e6 3.c4 d5 4.Nc3 Be7 5.g3 0-0 6.Bg2 dxc4 7.Ne5 Qd6 8.0-0 Qa6 9.a4 Nc6 10.Nb5 Nxe5 11.dxe5 Rd8 12.exf6 Rxd1 13.Rxd1 Bd6 14.Bf4 e5?? frightful 15.Nxd6 cxd6 16.Bxe5 Qa5 17.Rxd6 Bg4 18.Bc3 Qc7 19.Rad1 g6 20.Bxb7 Rf8 21.Bf3 Bxf3 22.exf3 h5 23.Kg2 Re8 24.h4 Qc8 25.a5 a6 26.Rd7 Qa8 27.R1d6 Rc8 28.Bd4 c3 29.bxc3 Re8 30.Bb6 1-0

Garvinator
14-09-2019, 12:06 AM
After reforming the Women's World Championship cycle and making it a much better system, whose decision was it to run one of the Grand Prix events on the same week as this event?

Surely either of these events could have been held a couple of weeks apart so both could get maximum exposure.

Kevin Bonham
14-09-2019, 12:39 AM
Nisipeanu: " "I expect to face a beast {tomorrow}. I know what's coming. I hope to survive but obviously, it will be extremely tough!"

Ding a bit lucky not to lose today.

Kevin Bonham
14-09-2019, 09:23 PM
From yesterday Korobov - Le Quang Liem

1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 Nf6 3.e3 e6 4.Nf3 Bd6 5.Bxd6 cxd6 6.c4 dxc4 7.Bxc4 0-0 8.Nc3 b6 9.d5 e5 10.Nd2 Ba6 11.Rc1 Qd7 12.0-0 Rc8 13.Be2 Qb7 14.e4 Nbd7 15.b4 Bxe2 16.Qxe2 Ne8 17.Rc2 Rc7 18.Rfc1 Rac8 19.Nf1 a6 20.a4 a5 21.bxa5 bxa5 22.Nb5 Rxc2 23.Rxc2 g6 24.Ne3 Nb6 25.Qd1 Qd7 26.h3 h5 27.Kh2 Kg7 28.g3 Nf6 29.f3 h4 30.gxh4 Nh5 31.Ng2 Kf8 32.Qc1 Rxc2 33.Qxc2 Ke7 34.Ne3 Nf4 35.Ng4 Qc8 36.Qf2 Nd7 37.h5 Nxh5 38.Qh4+ f6 39.Ne3 Qc5 40.Qf2 Nb6 41.Qg1 Kf7 42.Ng2 Nxa4 43.Qxc5 Nxc5 44.Nxd6+ Ke7 45.Nc4 a4 46.Kg1 Nd3 47.Nge3 Nhf4 48.h4 Ne2+ 49.Kg2 Nd4 50.Kg3 Nb2 51.Na3 Kd6 52.Kg4 Nd3 53.h5 gxh5+ 54.Kxh5 Nxf3 55.Nac4+ Kc5 56.d6 Nf4+ 57.Kh6 Ng5 58.Kg7 Nxe4 59.d7 Kc6 60.d8=N+ Kc5 61.Nb7+ Kb4 62.Nba5 Kc5 63.Kf7 Nd5 64.Nxd5 Kxd5 65.Nb6+ Kc5 66.Nxa4+ Kb5 67.Nb2 Kxa5 68.Nc4+ Kb4 69.Nxe5 fxe5 70.Ke6 Nd6 71.Kxe5 1/2-1/2

Tim Krabbe at https://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/records/records.htm gives Szabo-Ivkov as the longest five-knight half-move sequence with seven half moves. Korobov - Le Quang Liem had five knights on the board for eight half-moves so would be the new record holder unless something else has beaten it since Krabbe updated the page.

Patrick Byrom
14-09-2019, 10:26 PM
... Tim Krabbe at https://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/records/records.htm gives Szabo-Ivkov as the longest five-knight half-move sequence with seven half moves. Korobov - Le Quang Liem had five knights on the board for eight half-moves so would be the new record holder unless something else has beaten it since Krabbe updated the page.
There was also the (not quite so rare) two bishops vs knight ending in Yuffa - McShane, also in that round, which McShane managed to draw.

Kevin Bonham
14-09-2019, 11:25 PM
Nakamura out, undeservedly let off with a draw.

Kevin Bonham
16-09-2019, 02:08 AM
Giri taken to Armageddon but survives. Armageddon game was a fizzer.

Desmond
16-09-2019, 10:28 AM
No one tipped Giri. Would be funny if he wins it.

Ian Rout
16-09-2019, 11:09 AM
No one tipped Giri. Would be funny if he wins it.Giri did make the semi-finals in 2017 but was eliminated in the fourth round at his other two attempts, so he probably didn't spring immediately to most people's minds as a leading contender. Being taken to Armageddon in the second round by the 66th seed isn't a promising start, though the eventual winner usually survives the odd close shave along the way.

Kevin Bonham
16-09-2019, 12:14 PM
Possibly Giri is tainted by his past reputation as a drawing master, but also he is rated outside the top 20 in both rapid and blitz.

An odd aspect of our poll this year is that four voters picked only one favourite rather than three.

Garvinator
16-09-2019, 04:25 PM
I have commented on this before in a shorter word format, but when a full day is allocated for tie breaks after each 2 game mini match, I do not understand the purpose or reason to use Armageddon. Surely the match could finish either of these formats:

1) 2 game mini blitz match, time control 3 minutes plus 2 seconds from move one. This repeats until one player wins the 2 game mini blitz match.
2) After the first or second mini blitz match at 3 plus 2, the first player to win a blitz game wins the match. So when the match moves to the one game at a time 'mode', there is no guarantee of a return game if you lose

Surely either of these has to be better than Armageddon.

Kevin Bonham
16-09-2019, 05:36 PM
Interesting Ian Rogers report:

https://lichess.org/blog/XX7kMRAAACIAqUVD/world-cup-drama-in-khanty-mansiysk--just-what-the-doctor-ordered

* Fines for turning up late
* Dress code discussion
* Also chess!

MichaelBaron
16-09-2019, 05:41 PM
Possibly Giri is tainted by his past reputation as a drawing master, but also he is rated outside the top 20 in both rapid and blitz.

An odd aspect of our poll this year is that four voters picked only one favourite rather than three.

All top players have a chance...
In the meantime Giri had to go all the way to armageddon against Najer. The final game was quite exciting to follow.

Metro
16-09-2019, 07:11 PM
I am keeping an eye on Wei Yi and Firouzja.Both have been described as a prodigy.Firouzja is only 16 and Wei 20.Wei is one of my picks.Firouzja is perhaps lacking experience to make it to the last 4.

MichaelBaron
16-09-2019, 09:58 PM
I am keeping an eye on Wei Yi and Firouzja.Both have been described as a prodigy.Firouzja is only 16 and Wei 20.Wei is one of my picks.Firouzja is perhaps lacking experience to make it to the last 4.

In the End, probably the ''big guns'' will be the ones to qualify.

Kevin Bonham
17-09-2019, 11:52 AM
Karjakin lost last night and will need to beat Vitiugov with white to get to a playoff. Harikrishna and Andreikin ditto.

littlesprout85
17-09-2019, 04:15 PM
oh sweetness...sprouty is still on the topic while da games are still live in session HEHE :P ummmm seeing that Max has Resigned ... ummm Wat Does this mean :? Is Meh Pal Max Still in da this World Cup...Sprouty Would Really Like To Know . ... Come On Help a Veggie out :oD This is Sproutys only way of keep up on da latest n greatest chess news ....ChessChats be da Perfect Venue for da Sprouty thus meh HEre HEHE :P

Kevin Bonham
17-09-2019, 05:29 PM
oh sweetness...sprouty is still on the topic while da games are still live in session HEHE :P ummmm seeing that Max has Resigned ... ummm Wat Does this mean :? Is Meh Pal Max Still in da this World Cup...Sprouty Would Really Like To Know . ...

No, Max qualified for the World Cup but decided not to play.

Kevin Bonham
18-09-2019, 09:03 PM
Jakovenko beats Vachier-Lagrave in tiebreak 1. Makes it look easy!

1. Nf3 c5 2. c4 Nf6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. d4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 g6 7. e3 Bg7
8. Bb5+ Bd7 9. Bd3 O-O 10. O-O Nc6 11. Rb1 b6 12. d5 Na5 13. c4 e6 14. e4
exd5 15. cxd5 Re8 16. Re1 c4 17. Bc2 Qc7 18. d6 Qc5 19. Be3 Qh5 20. Bd4
Bxd4 21. Qxd4 Rac8 22. Qc3 Rc5 23. e5 Nc6 24. Ba4 Rd8 25. Bxc6 Rxc6 26. Nd4
Rc5 27. e6 fxe6 28. Nxe6 Bxe6 29. Rxe6 Qf5 30. Rbe1 Rf8 31. Re8 Qxf2+ 32.
Kh1 Rd5 33. Rxf8+ Qxf8 34. Qxc4 Qf7 35. Qc7 Qe6 36. Qd8+ Kf7 37. Rf1+ Rf5
38. Qc7+ Kg8 39. Rd1 Qe2 40. Qc1 Rg5 41. Qc8+ Kg7 42. Qb7+ Kf8 43. Rg1 Qd2
44. Qe7+ Kg8 45. d7 Rd5 46. Rf1 1-0

Kevin Bonham
18-09-2019, 10:11 PM
MVL strikes back and squares the tiebreak.

Kevin Bonham
18-09-2019, 10:47 PM
Giri - Xiong (3.4) crazy game

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. Nc3 e6 4. g3 b6 5. Bg2 Bb7 6. O-O Be7 7. Re1 Ne4 8.
Nxe4 Bxe4 9. d3 Bb7 10. e4 Nc6 11. d4 cxd4 12. Nxd4 Nxd4 13. Qxd4 O-O 14.
Be3 Qc7 15. Rac1 Qc6 16. Qd2 f5 17. Bd4 f4 18. gxf4 Bd6 19. f5 Rxf5 20. b4
Rh5 21. h3 Rf8 22. Red1 Rxh3 23. Bxg7 Rh2 24. Qg5 Rf5 25. Qg4 Kf7 26. Bb2
Bf4 27. b5 Qc7 28. Qg7+ Ke8 29. Bf6 Rxg2+ 30. Kxg2 Bxe4+ 31. Kf1 Bd6 32.
Bh4 Bf8 33. Qg3 Qxg3 34. Bxg3 Bf3 35. Rd4 Be7 36. Ke1 Bb4+ 37. Kf1 Be7 38.
Ke1 Rh5 39. Kd2 Bf6 40. Rd3 Bg5+ 41. Re3 Kd8 42. Bd6 Rh1 43. Rxh1 Bxe3+ 44.
Kxe3 Bxh1 45. Kd4 Bf3 46. Kc3 h5 47. a4 h4 48. Kb4 h3 49. a5 Ke8 50. axb6
axb6 51. c5 Kf7 52. cxb6 Kf6 53. Bg3 e5 54. Kc3 Ke6 55. Kd3 Bb7 56. f4 exf4
57. Bxf4 Kd5 58. Bh2 Kc5 59. Bg1+ Kxb5 60. Ke2 d5 61. Kf2 d4 62. Kg3 d3 63.
Be3 Bc8 64. b7 Bxb7 65. Kxh3 d2 66. Bxd2 1/2-1/2

MichaelBaron
19-09-2019, 12:34 AM
Giri out to Xiong!

Kevin Bonham
19-09-2019, 01:32 PM
Rest day tonight then these matches:


GM Ding, Liren 2811 - GM Alekseenko 2671
GM Grischuk, A. 2759 - GM Dominguez Pe. 2763
GM Vitiugov, N. 2732 - GM So, Wesley 2767
GM Nepomniachtchi 2776 - GM Yu, Yangyi 2763
GM Duda, J. 2730 - GM Xiong, J. 2707
GM Mamedyarov 2767 - GM Radjabov, T. 2758
GM Vachier-Lagr. 2774 - GM Svidler, P. 2729
GM Le, Quang L. 2708 - GM Aronian, L. 2758

MichaelBaron
20-09-2019, 02:08 AM
Despite some notable upsets, only one player U2700 left in the field...so overall - the rating favourites are performing credibly.

Patrick Byrom
20-09-2019, 02:27 PM
Despite some notable upsets, only one player U2700 left in the field...so overall - the rating favourites are performing credibly.So are the major Chess Chat predictions.

Garvinator
21-09-2019, 09:12 AM
Seeing the final results from the first game of this round, I have been quite amused that the commentators were saying throughout the broadcast - It seems from how the games are played that it is an advantage to be black in the first game of two. With the theory being that it is easier to win on demand with white than black.

So in the round of 16 - Eight games. Four wins to white and four draws. Not sure where the black being first advantage lies?

Secondly - and this is a bit of a whinge. For those who have been following the commentary on youtube, do you find it annoying when the commentators starting moving the pieces on the demo board all over the place, but are so interested in that, that they fail to notice a move made by one of the players and that move was not considered by either commentator.

Kevin Bonham
21-09-2019, 09:32 AM
Vitiugov - So

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Nxe4 4. Bd3 d5 5. Nxe5 Nd7 6. Nc3 Nxe5 7. dxe5 Nxc3 8.
bxc3 Be7 9. O-O O-O 10. f4 f5 11. Be3 Be6 12. a4 Qd7 13. Qf3 Rfd8 14. Rfd1 c5
15. Kh1 g6 16. h3 Qc7 17. Qf2 b6 18. Qe1 Kh8 19. Be2 Rg8 20. Bf3 Rad8 21. a5 b5
22. a6 Rd7 23. Rdb1 Rb8 24. Bf2 Rdd8 25. Qe2 Qb6 26. Rb2 Rd7 27. Qf1 Rc7 28. Be2
Bd7 29. Qd1 Qe6 30. Ra5 Kg7 31. Qa1 g5 32. Bxb5 Rxb5 33. Raxb5 Bxb5 34. Rxb5
gxf4 35. Qa5 Qxe5 36. Rb7 Rxb7 37. axb7 f3 38. gxf3 Bd6 39. Kg2 Qh2+ 40. Kf1
Qxh3+ 41. Ke2 Qh2 42. Qxa7 Kf6 43. Qb6 Ke7 44. Qc6 Kd8 45. Qc8+ Ke7 46. Qxf5 Kd8
47. Kf1 Qh1+ 48. Bg1 Bh2 49. Qg4 Bd6 50. Ke2 Ke7 51. Bxc5 Qh2+ 52. Bf2 h5 53.
Qf5 Kd8 54. Qc8+ Ke7 55. Qf5 Kd8 56. Qf7 h4 57. Qg8+ Kd7 58. Qg4+ Kc6 59. Qc8+
Kb5 60. b8=Q+ 1-0

Kevin Bonham
21-09-2019, 10:07 AM
Seeing the final results from the first game of this round, I have been quite amused that the commentators were saying throughout the broadcast - It seems from how the games are played that it is an advantage to be black in the first game of two. With the theory being that it is easier to win on demand with white than black.

So in the round of 16 - Eight games. Four wins to white and four draws. Not sure where the black being first advantage lies?

This deserves testing with a larger sample size but it's not easy to do it quickly because of poor online archiving of past tournaments on the official sites:

In 2017 White first won 58 matches, Black first won 69. There was an 11-21 split in round 2.

In 2019 before this round White first has won 54 matches, Black first has won 58.

Not conclusive; need more data.

Garvinator
21-09-2019, 10:32 AM
This deserves testing with a larger sample size but it's not easy to do it quickly because of poor online archiving of past tournaments on the official sites:

In 2017 White first won 58 matches, Black first won 69. There was an 11-21 split in round 2.

In 2019 before this round White first has won 54 matches, Black first has won 58.

Not conclusive; need more data.
Do your numbers mean - in the first game of 2, white won 58 games, black 69. Or in the two game mini match, the winning game of the 2 was white 58, black 69?

I have follow up commentary once I understand the statistics.

ER
21-09-2019, 12:30 PM
Secondly - and this is a bit of a whinge. For those who have been following the commentary on youtube, do you find it annoying when the commentators starting moving the pieces on the demo board all over the place, but are so interested in that, that they fail to notice a move made by one of the players and that move was not considered by either commentator.

You are spot on regarding this chief. Particularly this guy Trent or whatever his name is has reached the pits with his silly jokes, cat calls, singing even ridiculing Clapton's song about his dead son (Tears in Heaven)!
Magnus cracked a few jokes the other night but they were absolutely chess related and his commentary on moves and positions were very accurate and useful for the common player!
FIDE should really do something about this, since as it was pointed out may have some sort of collaboration with Chess24 on live coverage of the WC games!

ER
21-09-2019, 03:02 PM
And an interview with Alexander the Great after his last night's win versus Dominguez!

https://youtu.be/qwHI5I_7D_0

Copied from the new FIDE website!

Kevin Bonham
21-09-2019, 06:27 PM
Do your numbers mean - in the first game of 2, white won 58 games, black 69. Or in the two game mini match, the winning game of the 2 was white 58, black 69?

I have follow up commentary once I understand the statistics.

I mean that the player who had White in game 1 won 58 of the matches and the player who had Black in game 1 won 69. So that particular World Cup (2017) was consistent with the idea that it is better to have Black first (which is what the commentators were saying) but it is not enough evidence to prove it, as such a difference could easily arise by chance.

(I didn't distinguish between cases that went to a tiebreak match and those that didn't; let's see if there is an actual effect at all first.)

Garvinator
21-09-2019, 08:33 PM
I mean that the player who had White in game 1 won 58 of the matches and the player who had Black in game 1 won 69. So that particular World Cup (2017) was consistent with the idea that it is better to have Black first (which is what the commentators were saying) but it is not enough evidence to prove it, as such a difference could easily arise by chance.
Thank you for the clarification. If measuring for evidence here, I think also what would need to be taken into account is where the white wins and black wins occurred.

Did a lot of black wins in game 1 occur between players who were rated far apart ie 1 v 128, 1 v 64 etc vs 64 v 65?

Kevin Bonham
21-09-2019, 09:26 PM
In 2015 players with white in game 1 also won 58 matches vs 69 for players who were black in game 1.

In 2011 however players with white in game 1 won 66 matches vs 62 for players who were black in game 1. (There was a 3rd-4th playoff so it sums to 128 not 127.)

Haven't found results by round with colours for 2013 yet. Found 2011 and 2015 on The Week In Chess.

So so far from combined 2011, 2015, 2017 and 2019 (to date) matches the player with black in game 1 has won 258 matches (52.2%) and the player with white in game 1 has won 236 (47.8%)

It might look like a real difference but on that sample size it is not statistically significant. 55% to 45% off such a sample size would start to mean something.

If I can find enough data that it becomes statistically significant then I'll look at what drives it (and whether it is what the commentators say or not) but until then I won't bother.

Actually what the commentators said is totally inconsistent with what has generally been said about World Championships. In World Championship matches they flip who has white first in each pair of games halfway through. The perception there is that it is easier to have white in the first game of each pair, because people think that it is harder for a player to win with white the day after a long and difficult defence than when they are fresh coming off a rest day.

Kevin Bonham
21-09-2019, 11:49 PM
Xiong wins on demand convincingly against Duda with the good ol' Bishops Opening. Great preparation.

1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3 c6 4. Nf3 d5 5. Bb3 Bb4+ 6. Bd2 Bxd2+ 7. Qxd2 Qd6
8. Qg5 Nbd7 9. exd5 cxd5 10. d4 e4 11. Ne5 O-O 12. Nc3 Nb6 13. f3 Be6 14.
O-O-O Rac8 15. Qd2 a6 16. Rhe1 exf3 17. gxf3 Nfd7 18. h4 f6 19. Nd3 Bf7 20.
Qf4 Rc6 21. Qxd6 Rxd6 22. Nc5 Rb8 23. Re7 Kf8 24. Rde1 Nxc5 25. dxc5 Rd7
26. Rxf7+ Kxf7 27. cxb6 Rbd8 28. Nxd5 Kg6 29. c4 Kh5 30. Re4 Rc8 31. Kd2 g5
32. Ke3 Rf7 33. hxg5 fxg5 34. Ba4 Kh6 35. Be8 Rf8 36. Bd7 Rb8 37. b4 Kg6
38. Nc7 Rfd8 39. Re7 Rh8 40. Be8+ Kf6 41. Nd5+ 1-0

Dominguez also back. Nepo, Svidler and So are all out and Ding currently trying to hold on.

Garvinator
22-09-2019, 01:06 AM
You are spot on regarding this chief. Particularly this guy Trent or whatever his name is has reached the pits with his silly jokes, cat calls, singing even ridiculing Clapton's song about his dead son (Tears in Heaven)!
The commentary I was referring to was from what I assume is now Fide's official youtube channel for live broadcasts. Fide chess.

Garvinator
22-09-2019, 01:10 AM
Actually what the commentators said is totally inconsistent with what has generally been said about World Championships. In World Championship matches they flip who has white first in each pair of games halfway through. The perception there is that it is easier to have white in the first game of each pair, because people think that it is harder for a player to win with white the day after a long and difficult defence than when they are fresh coming off a rest day.
I can see a difference between the two formats and why the commentary of colour importance could be different.

In World Championship match- It is WB rest day WB rest day WB rest day BW rest day BW rest day and so forth. Therefore, one player always gets white after the rest day.

In the World Cup format, it is possible to go, white black (tiebreak possible too, so no rest day for you), then you get black white in the next round. So a player can end up with two whites or two blacks in a row across the 'rest day'.

MichaelBaron
22-09-2019, 02:10 AM
Nepo and Grishuk both managed to lose dominant positions.

MichaelBaron
22-09-2019, 11:45 AM
https://www.chessbomb.com/arena/2019-fide-world-cup/4-2-Dominguez_Perez_Leinier-Grischuk_Alexander
Very interesting game.

ER
22-09-2019, 12:21 PM
The commentary I was referring to was from what I assume is now Fide's official youtube channel for live broadcasts. Fide chess.

yeah I got it... I was referring to chess24!

ER
22-09-2019, 06:54 PM
all my picks are still there fighting!
All three will play tiebreaks tonight!
Go Ding, go Alexander, go Mame!!!

Kevin Bonham
23-09-2019, 12:42 AM
Radjabov eliminates Mamedyarov!

Kevin Bonham
23-09-2019, 12:44 AM
Nobody still has three picks in play in the poll after that.

Kevin Bonham
23-09-2019, 01:46 AM
Great effort Xiong to knock out Duda.

Quarter finals (not sure re colours)

Ding vs Grischuk
Vitiugov vs Yu
Xiong vs Radjabov
Vachier-Lagrave vs Aronian

At least one player with no votes in the poll will make the semi-finals, possibly two!

ER
23-09-2019, 09:15 AM
Nobody still has three picks in play in the poll after that.

I have two, however they play each other in the q/f.
That establishes that I will have one of my picks in the s/f and 25% chance
(that's ceteris paribus of course) of making the final.
All in all it looks like a great tournament and the fact that it will produce two candidates for the WCC
was a sound decision! Not sure if that was always the case!

Kevin Bonham
24-09-2019, 08:41 PM
Credit to MVL and Aronian for managing to draw their second game such that on move 31 there was an exactly symmetrical position with black to move.

ER
24-09-2019, 08:46 PM
as I noted in the climate warming thread looks like these guys are doing a Magnus
and play for draws so they can shoot it out in the rapids, blitzes and Armageddons. They either underestimate
their preparation of overestimate that of their opponents...

Kevin Bonham
24-09-2019, 11:37 PM
Ding and Radjabov through.

Vitiugov-Yu and Aronian-MVL to playoffs tomorrow.

MichaelBaron
25-09-2019, 03:48 PM
Ding and Radjabov through.

Vitiugov-Yu and Aronian-MVL to playoffs tomorrow.

Very convincing victory by Ding

Kevin Bonham
25-09-2019, 10:18 PM
Aronian misses a win and then makes a horrible one-move blunder, and is out. MVL extremely lucky.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d3 Bc5 5.c3 a6 6.0-0 d6 7.a4 0-0 8.Re1 Ba7 9.h3 h6 10.Nbd2 Re8 11.b4 Be6 12.Bxe6 Rxe6 13.Nf1 Qd7 14.Be3 Bxe3 15.Nxe3 d5 16.b5 Ne7 17.c4 d4 18.Nf5 Re8 19.N3h4 Ng6 20.g3 Nxh4 21.Nxh4 Qe7 22.Qc1 Nd7 23.Qa3 Nc5 24.f4 exf4 25.Nf5 Qf8 26.gxf4 Rf6 27.Rf1 Rxf5 28.exf5 Re3 29.Rae1 Qe7 30.Rxe3 Qxe3+ 31.Kh2 Qe2+ [31...Ne4 32.Qb2 Qg3+ 33.Kh1 Qxh3+ 34.Kg1 Qe3+ 35.Rf2 Nxf2 36.Qxf2 Qxd3 winning easily] 32.Kg1 Nxd3 33.bxa6 bxa6 34.Qb3 Qe3+ 35.Kh2 Qd2+ 36.Kg1 Qe3+ 37.Kh2 h5 38.Qd1 h4?? 39.Rf3 Nb2 40.Rxe3 Nxd1 41.Rd3 Nb2 42.Rxd4 c5 43.Rd5 Nxa4 44.Kg2 Kf8 45.Kf3 Ke7 46.Kg4 Nb6 47.Rxc5 Kd6 48.Ra5 Nxc4 49.Rxa6+ Ke7 50.Kxh4 Nd6 51.Rxd6 Kxd6 52.Kg5 Ke7 53.f6+ 1-0

MichaelBaron
26-09-2019, 01:26 AM
https://www.chessbomb.com/arena/2019-fide-world-cup/5-9-armageddon-Yu_Yangyi-Vitiugov_Nikita

What a drama....Yu was totally lost out of the opening (nerves?) but Nikita also lost the plot...

MichaelBaron
26-09-2019, 01:27 AM
Aronian misses a win and then makes a horrible one-move blunder, and is out. MVL extremely lucky.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d3 Bc5 5.c3 a6 6.0-0 d6 7.a4 0-0 8.Re1 Ba7 9.h3 h6 10.Nbd2 Re8 11.b4 Be6 12.Bxe6 Rxe6 13.Nf1 Qd7 14.Be3 Bxe3 15.Nxe3 d5 16.b5 Ne7 17.c4 d4 18.Nf5 Re8 19.N3h4 Ng6 20.g3 Nxh4 21.Nxh4 Qe7 22.Qc1 Nd7 23.Qa3 Nc5 24.f4 exf4 25.Nf5 Qf8 26.gxf4 Rf6 27.Rf1 Rxf5 28.exf5 Re3 29.Rae1 Qe7 30.Rxe3 Qxe3+ 31.Kh2 Qe2+ [31...Ne4 32.Qb2 Qg3+ 33.Kh1 Qxh3+ 34.Kg1 Qe3+ 35.Rf2 Nxf2 36.Qxf2 Qxd3 winning easily] 32.Kg1 Nxd3 33.bxa6 bxa6 34.Qb3 Qe3+ 35.Kh2 Qd2+ 36.Kg1 Qe3+ 37.Kh2 h5 38.Qd1 h4?? 39.Rf3 Nb2 40.Rxe3 Nxd1 41.Rd3 Nb2 42.Rxd4 c5 43.Rd5 Nxa4 44.Kg2 Kf8 45.Kf3 Ke7 46.Kg4 Nb6 47.Rxc5 Kd6 48.Ra5 Nxc4 49.Rxa6+ Ke7 50.Kxh4 Nd6 51.Rxd6 Kxd6 52.Kg5 Ke7 53.f6+ 1-0

MVL was lost indeed but he did defend very resourcefully.

Kevin Bonham
26-09-2019, 01:54 AM
Armageddon shocker Yu - Vitiugov.

1.e4 e6 2.f4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.c3 Nh6 6.Na3 Nf5 7.Nc2 d4 8.Bd3 Nh4 9.Be4?? [9.0-0] 9...Nxg2+ 10.Kf2 Nxf4 11.d3 Ng6 12.cxd4 cxd4 13.Bg5 Be7 14.Bxe7 Qxe7 15.Ncxd4 Ncxe5 16.Nxe5 Nxe5 17.Qh5 Nd7 [17...Qc5 and it's all over] 18.Rhg1 Nf6? [18...g6] 19.Qe5 Nxe4+ 20.dxe4 f6 21.Qh5+ Qf7 22.Qc5 Qe7? Black gives up a pawn to simplify but in the process gives white too much play. [22...Bd7][22...Qf8][22...a6 all seem still enough for equality, which is all black needs.] 23.Qxe7+ Kxe7 24.Rxg7+ Kf8 25.Rag1 e5 26.Nb5 a6? [Black might still survive after 26...Rb8 eg 27.Nc7 b5 28.h4 f5 29.exf5 Bxf5 30.Nd5 Be4 31.Nf6 Rb7 32.Nd7+ Ke8 33.Nxe5 Rxg7 34.Rxg7] 27.Nc7 Rb8 28.Nd5 f5 29.Nf6 fxe4 30.Rc7 Bf5 31.Rgg7 Bg6 32.Rgd7 b5 33.h4 h5 34.Rg7 Rc8 35.Rg8+ Rxg8 36.Rxc8+ Kf7 37.Nxg8 Ke6 38.Ke3 Kd7 39.Ra8 Bf5 40.Rxa6 1-0

Semi finals:

Ding - Yu
Radjabov - Vachier-Lagrave

Kevin Bonham
26-09-2019, 10:27 PM
Ding - Yu fairly boring draw though Yu seems to have had one chance for an advantage. Good effort by Yu after yesterday's playoff exertions.

Kevin Bonham
26-09-2019, 10:48 PM
MVL - Radjabov drawn as well. Early night.

MichaelBaron
27-09-2019, 09:05 PM
Right now (after move 15), Stockfish considers Radjabov-MVL to be +2.18 for white....while black has not played a single move that is marked as a ''big mistake'' - interesting~

Desmond
27-09-2019, 11:33 PM
MVL crashes out.

Kevin Bonham
27-09-2019, 11:56 PM
So MVL plays 7...e6 that he has played three times already this year for two draws and a loss. Radjabov plays 8.Bd3 (TN) and within a few moves MVL is in big trouble, maybe 10...0-0 is just asking for it and unnecessary?

1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.Nc3 d5 4.cxd5 Nxd5 5.e3 Nxc3 6.dxc3 Qc7 7.e4 e6 8.Bd3 Be7 9.Qe2 Bd7 10.0-0 0-0 11.e5 Bc6 12.Ng5 h6 13.Bh7+ Kh8 14.Bc2 c4 15.Re1 Qd8 16.Nh3 Qd5 17.Nf4 Qc5 18.Bb1 Bg5 19.Nxe6 fxe6 20.Bxg5 Qd5 21.Qg4 Nd7 22.Be4 Nxe5 23.Qh5 Qb5 24.Bxh6 Bxe4 25.Bf4+ Kg8 26.Qxe5 Bd5 27.Re2 Rf5 28.Qe3 Qe8 29.f3 Qg6 30.h4 Raf8 31.Bg5 a6 32.Rd1 Qe8 33.Rd4 Qc6 34.Rg4 Kh7 35.Bf4 R8f7 36.Be5 b5 37.Qf2 Qd7 38.Qg3 Rh5 39.Bd4 Qc7 40.Re5 Rhf5 41.Rg5 Kg8 42.h5 Rxg5 43.Qxg5 Qe7 44.Qg4 Rf5 45.Qxf5 1-0

Nice play by Radjabov to clean this up but he really was gifted the opening. Radjabov is a Candidate!

Patrick Byrom
28-09-2019, 01:17 PM
From Chess.com: (https://www.chess.com/news/view/2019-fide-chess-world-cup-semifinals-day-2)

In fact, Radjabov today said (though with a smile, so it's not clear how serious he was) that he's considered quitting chess for a long time: "Either you are here and you play or you just don’t play chess and that was a kind of thing I am considering for the last 10 years."

He shared a mindset that many amateurs will recognize. "Once you play well you have this illusion that this will always be with you. Then you suddenly get a lot of losses and you simply understand who you are and that’s it," he said.
I think we can all relate to that!

Kevin Bonham
28-09-2019, 10:06 PM
Very high quality game by Ding (and by Yu until he finally went astray) in rapid 2. Ding is through.

1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Bb4 3. Nd5 a5 4. Nf3 d6 5. a3 Bc5 6. e3 Nf6 7. d4 Nxd5 8.
cxd5 exd4 9. exd4 Bb6 10. Bg5 f6 11. Be3 O-O 12. Bd3 f5 13. Qc2 Nd7 14.
Bxf5 Nf6 15. Bd3 h6 16. Nh4 Nxd5 17. Bh7+ Kh8 18. Ng6+ Kxh7 19. Nxf8+ Kg8
20. Ng6 Qf6 21. Qe4 Be6 22. O-O Re8 23. Nh4 Bf7 24. Qg4 h5 25. Qg3 Re4 26.
Bg5 Qe6 27. h3 Bxd4 28. Nf3 Bxb2 29. Rab1 Re2 30. Bd2 Qf6 31. Bxa5 Nf4 32.
Bxc7 Rc2 33. Kh2 h4 34. Qg5 Rxc7 35. Rxb2 Qxg5 36. Nxg5 Bc4 37. Re1 g6 38.
Re4 Nd3 39. Rc2 Rc5 40. Rcxc4 Rxg5 41. Re7 Nc5 42. Rxh4 Rf5 43. f3 1-0

MichaelBaron
29-09-2019, 03:38 AM
Clearly, no ''Chinese conspiracy'' is taking place. Would Ding lose, both Chinese players would qualify.

Kevin Bonham
30-09-2019, 10:55 PM
There is a 3rd-4th playoff, the main point of which being that 3rd place becomes eligible to be a Candidates wildcard.

Both games drawn just past move 30 today.

Ian Rout
01-10-2019, 10:18 AM
There is a 3rd-4th playoff, the main point of which being that 3rd place becomes eligible to be a Candidates wildcard.Evidently this cycle's rules are that the wild card can't be given to any common or garden GM. Those eligible are the top ten, as measured by the average of twelve rating lists when the music stops, and the next in line on each of the three qualifying tournaments (World Cup, Grand Swiss, Grand Prix).

In theory that gives up to thirteen candidates (lower case c) for the wild card. However several won't need a wild card - already that's Carlsen, Caruana, Ding and whoever gets the rating place, plus most likely at least one GP qualifier and possibly the other one and/or the Swiss winner. Also there will be some double (or more) counting, for instance MVL may come third in the WC as well as being in the top ten. So there will be about five players eligible for the wild card.

Mildly off-topic but I only came across this recently so I thought some others might have also missed it.

MichaelBaron
01-10-2019, 04:54 PM
Evidently this cycle's rules are that the wild card can't be given to any common or garden GM. Those eligible are the top ten, as measured by the average of twelve rating lists when the music stops, and the next in line on each of the three qualifying tournaments (World Cup, Grand Swiss, Grand Prix).

In theory that gives up to thirteen candidates (lower case c) for the wild card. However several won't need a wild card - already that's Carlsen, Caruana, Ding and whoever gets the rating place, plus most likely at least one GP qualifier and possibly the other one and/or the Swiss winner. Also there will be some double (or more) counting, for instance MVL may come third in the WC as well as being in the top ten. So there will be about five players eligible for the wild card.

Mildly off-topic but I only came across this recently so I thought some others might have also missed it.

If no Russians qualify by the normal means - we can rest assured that the wild card will be given to a Russian Player...irrespective of what the rules are ;)

Kevin Bonham
01-10-2019, 11:33 PM
Overwhelming win by Ding in game 2:

1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 e6 3. e4 c5 4. e5 Ng8 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. d4 cxd4 7. Nxd4 Nxe5
8. Ndb5 a6 9. Nd6+ Bxd6 10. Qxd6 f6 11. Be3 Ne7 12. Bb6 Nf5 13. Qb4 Nc6 14.
Qc5 Qe7 15. O-O-O d6 16. Qa3 O-O 17. g4 Nh6 18. Rg1 Nf7 19. f4 Bd7 20. h4
a5 21. g5 Kh8 22. Qb3 Rfc8 23. Kb1 e5 24. Nd5 Bf5+ 25. Ka1 Qe6 26. gxf6
gxf6 27. a3 Rab8 28. Bg2 Rg8 29. Ne3 Nd4 30. Bxd4 exd4 31. Nxf5 Qxf5 32.
Bd5 Rxg1 33. Rxg1 Nh6 34. Qb6 Qd7 35. Qxd4 Qe7 36. Ka2 Nf5 37. Qc3 b6 38.
h5 Re8 39. h6 Ne3 40. Re1 1-0

MichaelBaron
02-10-2019, 01:07 AM
He is emerging as the only real challenger to Magnus (possibly).

ER
02-10-2019, 02:37 AM
He is emerging as the only real challenger to Magnus (possibly).

Michael, don't you think that Fabi Caruana is a real challenger?

MichaelBaron
02-10-2019, 11:14 AM
Michael, don't you think that Fabi Caruana is a real challenger?

I think MC may lose to anyone (literally) as his drawn matches with Karjakin and Karuana show if he is feeling too tense..but I do not think he will be playing so far from his best in a 3d WC match in a row. Karuana tries very hard and is consistent, but I do not see him playing at the level of Magnus. MC can outplay his opponents out of the blue. In some of the Ding's recent games - this is also a case.

ER
02-10-2019, 02:46 PM
I think MC may lose to anyone (literally) as his drawn matches with Karjakin and Karuana show if he is feeling too tense..but I do not think he will be playing so far from his best in a 3d WC match in a row. Karuana tries very hard and is consistent, but I do not see him playing at the level of Magnus. MC can outplay his opponents out of the blue. In some of the Ding's recent games - this is also a case.

thanks!

Kevin Bonham
02-10-2019, 09:12 PM
Very impressed with Radjabov's professionalism with the interview he gave last night after losing game 2. And good to see him giving Ding some issues in game 3.

Kevin Bonham
02-10-2019, 09:17 PM
This does look like a draw though.

[edit: I was expecting 29...Nc2, what Ding has played may not be as good, so white could yet win this.]

Kevin Bonham
02-10-2019, 10:47 PM
Radjabov is winning!

Kevin Bonham
02-10-2019, 11:18 PM
Great strikeback by Radjabov off the back of superior preparation and a few defensive errors:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d5 9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d3 Bd6 13.Re1 Bf5 14.Qf3 Qh4 15.g3 Qh3 16.Be3 Bxd3 17.Nd2 Qf5 18.Bd4 Rfd8 19.a4 h6 20.h4 Rac8 21.Qxf5 Bxf5 22.Ne4 Bf8 [Radjabov says that 22...c5 is a draw] 23.Nc5 Nb4 24.Re5 g6 25.axb5 cxb5 26.Ne6!! It doesn't win, but it is the best chance, and was prepared 26...Bxe6 27.Rxe6 fxe6 28.Bxe6+ Kh7 29.Bxc8 Rxc8?! [29...Nc2 30.Rc1 Nxd4 31.cxd4 Rxd4 32.Bxa6 Rb4 appears drawn] 30.cxb4 Rc4 31.Bf6 Bg7 32.Be7 Rc6 33.Ra2 Kg8 34.Bc5 Kf7 35.Kg2 Ke6 36.b3 h5 37.Kf3 Kf5 38.Rd2 Be5 39.Rd5 Ke6? [39...Kf6] 40.Ke4 Bf6 41.f4 Bc3 42.f5+ Kf7 43.Rd7+ Kg8 44.Bd6 gxf5+ 45.Kxf5 Bg7 46.Kg5 1-0

ER
03-10-2019, 12:43 AM
wow the Marshall Attack!! White allowed it and won! Old story (favourite of Angelo Tsag's: Capa had not a clue about it when Marshall sprung it at him and still won! :)

MichaelBaron
03-10-2019, 11:05 AM
wow the Marshall Attack!! White allowed it and won! Old story (favourite of Angelo Tsag's: Capa had not a clue about it when Marshall sprung it at him and still won! :)

Very poor opening choice (given the match situation) by Ding. He should have played something like Petroff :)

Kevin Bonham
03-10-2019, 10:06 PM
Boring draw game 4 so playoffs tomorrow.

Capablanca-Fan
04-10-2019, 01:49 AM
Very poor opening choice (given the match situation) by Ding. He should have played something like Petroff :)

Mind you, the Marshall has a reputation for being a drawing line with some punch, while Ding may have regarded the Petroff to be to defensive and allowing White to press at his leisure.

Ian Rout
04-10-2019, 04:06 PM
Boring draw game 4 so playoffs tomorrow.I'm not sure that the game in the main match was entirely boring, though it faded out pretty quickly. Ding's 7.Nxe5 has always been considered harmless - Carlsen played 7.O-O twice in the 2018 WC match and Hansen's The Full English Opening doesn't seem to mention 7.Nxe5 at all (even though it is the most obvious move in the the position and apparently White's threat). This game could lead to a flurry of interest, or kill it off entirely.

1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 e5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. g3 d5 5. cxd5 Nxd5 6. Bg2 Bc5 7. Nxe5 Nxc3 8.
Bxc6+ bxc6 9. bxc3 Qd5 10. Nf3 Bh3 11. Qb3 Bg2 12. Qxd5 cxd5 13. Rg1 Bxf3 14.
exf3 d4 15. Rb1 O-O-O 16. Rb5 Rhe8+ 17. Kd1 Bb6 18. cxd4 Bxd4 19. Rf1 Re6 20.
Bb2 Ra6 21. Bxd4 Rxd4 22. Rb2 Rda4 23. Re1 Kd7 24. Rb8 Rxa2 25. Ree8 Ra1+ 26.
Ke2 Re6+ 27. Rxe6 Kxe6 28. Re8+ Kf6 29. Rc8 Rc1 30. Ra8 Ra1 31. Rc8 Ke5 draw agreed

Kevin Bonham
04-10-2019, 09:12 PM
Both Ding and Radjabov seem to have missed wins in messy positions in rapid 1.

MVL one up against Yu in the third-fourth playoff, winning convincingly with a g3 Sicilian.

Kevin Bonham
04-10-2019, 09:50 PM
MVL wins third 2-0 and is eligible to be a wildcard for the Candidates if he doesn't qualify any other way.

Kevin Bonham
05-10-2019, 12:05 AM
Endgame mistake by Ding in blitz 1 and has to win with black to make Armageddon!

Frank
05-10-2019, 12:13 AM
Endgame mistake by Ding in blitz 1 and has to win with black to make Armageddon!

Wot went wrong?

Kevin Bonham
05-10-2019, 12:18 AM
Wot went wrong?

Don't know if 52.Kb5 was losing by itself but grabbing the pawn and leaving the kingside open was a poor-sense-of-danger move that at least gave black big chances.

Frank
05-10-2019, 12:35 AM
What a come-back! Character-forming.

Garvinator
05-10-2019, 12:35 AM
Yeah baby! Woohoo

Kevin Bonham
05-10-2019, 12:37 AM
I think Garvinator should be inducted into the Chesschat tipping hall of fame for that one! (Especially as he was not only the lone tipster of the winner but also did so with only one vote whereas people were allowed to vote for three!)

Frank
05-10-2019, 12:38 AM
I think Garvinator should be inducted into the Chesschat tipping hall of fame

Yep!

Kevin Bonham
05-10-2019, 12:41 AM
Yep!

Not sure there would be too many other members. road runner was the only poster to correctly tip a hung parliament at the 2010 federal election, and I vaguely recall some tournament where Rhubarb tipped virtually everything.

MichaelBaron
05-10-2019, 02:42 AM
Great fighting skills like Raja! He was not content with the world cup qualifying as many thought!

Desmond
05-10-2019, 07:57 AM
I think Garvinator should be inducted into the Chesschat tipping hall of fame for that one! (Especially as he was not only the lone tipster of the winner but also did so with only one vote whereas people were allowed to vote for three!)

Yes well done

Garvinator
05-10-2019, 02:21 PM
If there is actually a thread for Chesschat tipping hall of fame, or one is going to be created, then I accept the nomination :) And yes, road runner deserves consideration for the 2010 Fed Parliament hung parliament tip, but rhubarb should not be included when you tip almost the entire field (as per KB's commentary).

Kevin Bonham
05-10-2019, 03:39 PM
And yes, road runner deserves consideration for the 2010 Fed Parliament hung parliament tip, but rhubarb should not be included when you tip almost the entire field (as per KB's commentary).

I think his effort (whatever it was) was before the current poll format, possibly when there were Candidates knockouts.

Patrick Byrom
05-10-2019, 07:59 PM
Yep!Seconded by me! By the way, you can still get odds of over 100-1 on Radjabov winning the next World Championship - after this performance, it's tempting.