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ElevatorEscapee
21-04-2019, 11:03 PM
This tournament features the World numbers 1 & 2, (Magnus Carlsen & Fabiano Caruana) as well as a few others from the World top 10, including former World Champion, Vishy Anand, as well as Maxime Vachier-Lagrave and Lev Aronian. Also competing is Baden Baden Snowball stalwart, Georg Meier

http://www.grenkechessclassic.de/en/

Magnus got off to a strong start, beating 14 year old IM Vincent Keymar, (who qualified for the classic by winning the Grenke Open tournament last year, scoring 8/9).

https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/grenke-chess-classic-2019

Romanian GM, Levy Rozman, is also covering this in his "Gotham Chess" Twitch TV show:

https://www.twitch.tv/gothamchess

(I'm not sure if he's broadcasting this from the Batcave...) ;)

MichaelBaron
22-04-2019, 02:26 AM
This tournament features the World numbers 1 & 2, (Magnus Carlsen & Fabiano Caruana) as well as a few others from the World top 10, including former World Champion, Vishy Anand, as well as Maxime Vachier-Lagrave and Lev Aronian. Also competing is Baden Baden Snowball stalwart, Georg Meier

http://www.grenkechessclassic.de/en/

Magnus got off to a strong start, beating 14 year old IM Vincent Keymar, (who qualified for the classic by winning the Grenke Open tournament last year, scoring 8/9).

https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/grenke-chess-classic-2019

Romanian GM, Levy Rozman, is also covering this in his "Gotham Chess" Twitch TV show:

https://www.twitch.tv/gothamchess

(I'm not sure if he's broadcasting this from the Batcave...) ;)
Levy Rozman is an IM not a GM and American rather than Romanian.

MichaelBaron
22-04-2019, 02:39 AM
https://en.chessbase.com/post/iranian-gm-alireza-firouzja-forfeits-game-due-to-opponent-or-bronstein-s-israeli-nationality-at-grenke-chess-open

Good to see the Organizers (and fide) taking a tougher stand on nationality-related boycotts!

MichaelBaron
22-04-2019, 12:34 PM
Rd2 - yet another long grind by Magnus. According to Short, R+B vs K+B should always be a win...but it is very tricky indeed.

MichaelBaron
22-04-2019, 12:38 PM
https://www.chessbomb.com/arena/2019-grenke-chess-classic/02-Vallejo_Pons_Francisco-Carlsen_Magnus

Capablanca-Fan
22-04-2019, 01:46 PM
Rd2 - yet another long grind by Magnus. According to Short, R+B vs K+B should always be a win but it is very tricky indeed.

Only with opposite-coloured Bs is it usually a win, as with this Vallejo–Carlsen game (https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/grenke-chess-classic-2019/2/1/1); with same colours, it's usually a draw, according to Müller and Lamprecht's book Fundamental Chess Endings. I put it on an online endgame tablebase (http://www.k4it.de/?topic=egtb&lang=en), and as soon as that configuration was reached, it was a win. Although with best play, the base said it was 54 moves, but a White piece was captured on move 24 so no 50-move rule save. It's a pity that this tablebase doesn't give the depth to conversion instead of only depth to mate. Both these players mostly played optimal moves from the start position.

MichaelBaron
25-04-2019, 01:46 PM
Feeling for Magnus. He was winning against Anand but Vishi miraculously escaped. Was pressing Arkady as well (was not such a clear edge though) but could not break through. Everyone (other than young Kreymer) just wants to snatch 0.5 point from him. Shows once again that he is a the true champion that everyone fears.

MichaelBaron
25-04-2019, 01:58 PM
Interesting endgame
in Kreymer-Meyer game. Computer was showing + 1000 for white in every line. But plenty of accuracy was required.

Capablanca-Fan
26-04-2019, 02:34 AM
Feeling for Magnus. He was winning against Anand but Vishi miraculously escaped. Was pressing Arkady as well (was not such a clear edge though) but could not break through. Everyone (other than young Kreymer) just wants to snatch 0.5 point from him. Shows once again that he is a the true champion that everyone fears.

Yes, I thought Anand did very well to escape. It's just the sort of position where Carlsen would just tighten the screws with an almost risk-free advantage in space.

I can't see anyone dethroning him for at least five more years.

MichaelBaron
27-04-2019, 04:32 AM
Yes, I thought Anand did very well to escape. It's just the sort of position where Carlsen would just tighten the screws with an almost risk-free advantage in space.

I can't see anyone dethroning him for at least five more years.

Unless he ''dethrones'' himself.
He is clearly #1 based on his overall standard of play, but against Caruana and Karjakin (who is not even a top 5 player) it got close. But then again, even if he loses the title, he will claim it back by winning the next match.

MichaelBaron
28-04-2019, 12:26 PM
Carlsen-Aronian
was yet another convincing victory by Magnus. Given that he was winning against Anand and pressing Naidich - his dominance is truly impressive.

MichaelBaron
29-04-2019, 02:14 AM
and Mangus continues his domination with an easy victory over Svidler with black pieces~

Capablanca-Fan
29-04-2019, 03:46 AM
and Mangus continues his domination with an easy victory over Svidler with black pieces~

Another example of where Magnus is not a materialist at the chessboard, with another P sac for initiative (https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/grenke-chess-classic-2019/8/1/3) that is not easy to spot. The computer already assessed Black as winning by B29, when White decided to get it over with by 30. h3 and actually get mated by 33... g2#.

Magnus has already won the tournament with a round to spare, with 6.5/8, ahead of MVL on 5. They play in the last round with Magnus as White. With no pressure on him for the tournament, he may well press for a win to get his rating up even more.

Capablanca-Fan
29-04-2019, 09:59 AM
Carlsen-Aronian
was yet another convincing victory by Magnus. Given that he was winning against Anand and pressing Naidich - his dominance is truly impressive.

That's what the experts are saying as well, in this page about the game (https://www.chess.com/news/view/2019-grenke-chess-classic-round-7).

MichaelBaron
29-04-2019, 11:30 AM
Another example of where Magnus is not a materialist at the chessboard, with another P sac for initiative (https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/grenke-chess-classic-2019/8/1/3) that is not easy to spot. The computer already assessed Black as winning by B29, when White decided to get it over with by 30. h3 and actually get mated by 33... g2#.

Magnus has already won the tournament with a round to spare, with 6.5/8, ahead of MVL on 5. They play in the last round with Magnus as White. With no pressure on him for the tournament, he may well press for a win to get his rating up even more.

And could have been 7.5! If only he would be that relaxed during the WCC matches - they would be a whitewash!

MichaelBaron
30-04-2019, 02:16 AM
Make it 7.5/9!

Capablanca-Fan
30-04-2019, 02:34 AM
And could have been 7.5! If only he would be that relaxed during the WCC matches - they would be a whitewash!

And … it is 7.5, performance ~3000. So if he keeps this up, challengers won't be able to draw the classical matches any more.

MichaelBaron
30-04-2019, 11:12 AM
And … it is 7.5, performance ~3000. So if he keeps this up, challengers won't be able to draw the classical matches any more.

25 points to go till 2900, lets see if he can maintain the consistency.

We should also know his attitude. With the first place guaranteed - he played on for win anyway while Caruana and co had quick draws.

ER
30-04-2019, 06:53 PM
25 points to go till 2900, lets see if he can maintain the consistency.

It will be a long painstaking way to 2900! Eventually he will be earning 1-2 pts per tournament due to lack of opponents of sufficient strength.
I expect something like what happened to Bobby Fischer in 1972 where by winning the WC match vs Spassky he actually lost rating points.


With the first place guaranteed

first and/or equal first

MichaelBaron
30-04-2019, 10:30 PM
It will be a long painstaking way to 2900! Eventually he will be earning 1-2 pts per tournament due to lack of opponents of sufficient strength.
I expect something like what happened to Bobby Fischer in 1972 where by winning the WC match vs Spassky he actually lost rating points.



first and/or equal first

He just needs to keep playing like he is playing now...or close to it...but of course it is hard to play at this level consistently. Lets see...

Capablanca-Fan
01-05-2019, 02:32 AM
25 points to go till 2900, lets see if he can maintain the consistency.

We should also know his attitude. With the first place guaranteed - he played on for win anyway while Caruana and co had quick draws.

Yes. He is already world champ and winner of many tournaments, and has won enough money that he could retire even now. The only thing he has left to prove is getting his rating up to 2900—before rating inflation makes this slightly less meaningful.

Metro
01-05-2019, 12:40 PM
The only thing he has left to prove is getting his rating up to 2900—before rating inflation makes this slightly less meaningful.
I am fairly certain he has a goal of retaining the WC.

Capablanca-Fan
02-05-2019, 12:03 PM
I am fairly certain he has a goal of retaining the WC.

Yes, obviously, but I think he has higher goals now that he has achieved that: 2900 rating, and maybe even Greatest of All Time.

Conversely, it's likely that Fischer didn't want to play any more after 1972, until 1992, because he had reached the top and it was only down from there: not just world champ, but highest rating of all time up to then, and ahead of everyone else in the world by such a big margin that he lost points winning the title, and already regarded by many in his day as GoAT.

Ian Rout
02-05-2019, 01:53 PM
Yes, obviously, but I think he has higher goals now that he has achieved that: 2900 rating, and maybe even Greatest of All Time.

Conversely, it's likely that Fischer didn't want to play any more after 1972, until 1992, because he had reached the top and it was only down from there: not just world champ, but highest rating of all time up to then, and ahead of everyone else in the world by such a big margin that he lost points winning the title, and already regarded by many in his day as GoAT.Not sure that people obsessed about ratings in those days to the extent they do now. Even now rating isn't really a bigger achievement than being world champion. It's a measure that you've played well and won a lot of games but if you don't translate that into something real then it will be forgotten by next Friday.

In any event Fischer still had plenty to play for in defending the title against the Communists. It was his other issues that were the problem.

Capablanca-Fan
03-05-2019, 12:41 AM
Not sure that people obsessed about ratings in those days to the extent they do now. Even now rating isn't really a bigger achievement than being world champion. It's a measure that you've played well and won a lot of games but if you don't translate that into something real then it will be forgotten by next Friday.
I agree, and that strengthens my point that Fischer had less to play for than Carlsen. IIRC, in Fischer's day, people were rather skeptical of Elo's system, and it was the fact that it predicted the score of the 1972 match fairly well that gained credibility for it.


In any event Fischer still had plenty to play for in defending the title against the Communists.
As far as he was concerned, he had already vanquished the Communist team almost single handedly.


It was his other issues that were the problem.
Hard to argue with that.