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MichaelBaron
10-07-2018, 05:12 PM
Justin is currently in Serbia chasing his final GM norm/2500 rating and after 4 rounds he is on a picket fence score 4/4~!
http://chess-results.com/tnr343573.aspx?lan=11&art=9&fed=AUS&turdet=YES&flag=30&snr=10

Garrett
10-07-2018, 05:45 PM
and playing a 23 year old GM also on 4/4 in round 5.

Good luck Justin !

If anyone can find any games please do post.

pappubahry
10-07-2018, 06:55 PM
If anyone can find any games please do post.
Games are on chessdom: all games (https://arena.chessdom.com/tournaments/1812?embed=580&ba=1#/stream_tournaments/show/1812), Bergsson-Tan (https://arena.chessdom.com/tournaments/1812?embed=580&ba=1#/game/stream/219685), Tan-Pantelic (https://arena.chessdom.com/tournaments/1812?embed=580&ba=1#/game/stream/219744), Radovic-Tan (https://arena.chessdom.com/tournaments/1812?embed=580&ba=1#/game/stream/220031), Tan-Radovanovic (https://arena.chessdom.com/tournaments/1812?embed=580&ba=1#/game/stream/220502)

Adamski
10-07-2018, 07:26 PM
Keep it up, Justin! Way to go!

Garrett
11-07-2018, 02:26 AM
Games are on chessdom: all games (https://arena.chessdom.com/tournaments/1812?embed=580&ba=1#/stream_tournaments/show/1812), Bergsson-Tan (https://arena.chessdom.com/tournaments/1812?embed=580&ba=1#/game/stream/219685), Tan-Pantelic (https://arena.chessdom.com/tournaments/1812?embed=580&ba=1#/game/stream/219744), Radovic-Tan (https://arena.chessdom.com/tournaments/1812?embed=580&ba=1#/game/stream/220031), Tan-Radovanovic (https://arena.chessdom.com/tournaments/1812?embed=580&ba=1#/game/stream/220502)

Brilliant thank you !

Thebes
11-07-2018, 05:31 AM
Justin on 5.5/6 with a 2700+ performance, needs to get 2 GM opponents in the final two rounds or will be very unlucky and miss the norm.

MichaelBaron
11-07-2018, 10:52 AM
Just had another look at the list of participants - Ikeda and Winkelman are also playing in that Serbian event and doing credibly.

lost
11-07-2018, 06:29 PM
Justin on 5.5/6 with a 2700+ performance, needs to get 2 GM opponents in the final two rounds or will be very unlucky and miss the norm.

Justin needs 2 GM's and none that are under the FIDE Flag as it will not be considered as a foreign player/federation.

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Kevin Bonham
11-07-2018, 06:52 PM
Justin needs 2 GM's and none that are under the FIDE Flag as it will not be considered as a foreign player/federation.

The issue about FIDE-flag players not counting as foreign is well spotted (he's playing one already and could well play another) but I don't see that it matters.

He has so far played players from ISL, BIH, IND, SRB(3) and his round 7 opponent is FID. Even suppose both his remaining opponents are FID, he has still played players from four actual federations, and it has not been the case that more than 2/3 of his opponents are from any one federation.

It doesn't matter what federations the GMs he plays are from - the federation calculations are based on all opponents, not GMs.

Current regulations are here: http://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=198&view=article

MichaelBaron
11-07-2018, 07:18 PM
But even more importantly..he is approaching 2500 fide rating!

Thebes
12-07-2018, 04:00 AM
Very good result for Justin with another win, and the WFM and FM trailing him both lost to GM's so very likely he'll get two GM's in the final two rounds.

Also is the FIDE flag a new thing, or is it common in Serbia? I've never seen it in my life in any open and there are plenty in this tournament.

Kai
12-07-2018, 07:53 AM
Thanks Kevin - that's a great relief to know, especially as Georgiev is also federated FIDE.

Hopefully, Justin can get his extra 0.5 points in R8 to get the required 7/9. If he manages to get 7/8, the R9 pairing is going to be tricky for a GM pairing. Unless Atalik or Lorparizangeneh win, the field will be wide open for Justin to play anyone on 6 as I understand it.

With the very unfortunate business of his "3rd GM norm" certificate being void, he could do with a bit of luck with the pairing!

By the way, he has also now crossed 2500 (live 2502).

Kevin Bonham
12-07-2018, 09:13 AM
Also is the FIDE flag a new thing, or is it common in Serbia? I've never seen it in my life in any open and there are plenty in this tournament.

The FIDE flag players (at least the leading ones) are Bulgarians. Bulgarian Chess Federation is under sanction and so they can only play as FIDE flag players. See https://www.fide.com/component/content/article/1-fide-news/10461-bulgarian-players-arbiters-and-trainers.html

I have also checked that Justin needs .5/2 to get the GM norm, provided that he plays a GM in the final round (and the GM has to turn up!) I get the same thing.

MichaelBaron
12-07-2018, 11:48 AM
The important part is - I believe his live rating is over 2500 now!

MichaelBaron
12-07-2018, 11:49 AM
Should be noted that Junta is also performing quite well (above his rating)

Frank
12-07-2018, 06:14 PM
Justin needs 2 GM's and none that are under the FIDE Flag as it will not be considered as a foreign player/federation.

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In any case, this large tournament seems to be covered by Regulation 1.7 http://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=198&view=article

“The regulations regarding mix of federations as in the boxes marked * are waived if the event is a Swiss System tournament in which the competitors include at least 20 FIDE Rated players, not from the host federation, from at least 3 federations, at least 10 of whom hold GM, IM, WGM or WIM titles.”

Kevin Bonham
12-07-2018, 06:50 PM
In any case, this large tournament seems to be covered by Regulation 1.7 http://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=198&view=article

“The regulations regarding mix of federations as in the boxes marked * are waived if the event is a Swiss System tournament in which the competitors include at least 20 FIDE Rated players, not from the host federation, from at least 3 federations, at least 10 of whom hold GM, IM, WGM or WIM titles.”

Correct. This rule is there as a protection against a player in a strong tournament with many overseas players just happening to get an unlucky mix of opponents with not enough overseas players.

lost
13-07-2018, 01:23 AM
......and Justin Tan has drawn with Kiril Georgiev in round 8. Congratulations Justin on becoming the next GM in Australia providing he gets a GM in the last round.

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Frank
13-07-2018, 05:19 AM
Hopefully, Justin can get his extra 0.5 points in R8 to get the required 7/9. If he manages to get 7/8, the R9 pairing is going to be tricky for a GM pairing. Unless Atalik or Lorparizangeneh win

And so it came to pass. GM Lorparizangeneh wins. Congratulations GM-Elect Justin Tan. Best wishes for British Championships!

Kevin Bonham
13-07-2018, 09:30 AM
Excellent! Justin is GM-elect provided his opponent shows up.

Adamski
13-07-2018, 01:04 PM
Congratulations, Justin. An excellent performance!

Metro
13-07-2018, 01:14 PM
Live games to commence 17.30 AEST

https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/paracin-open-2018/8/1/1

GM Lorparizangeneh Shahin 2493 (6½) - IM Tan Justin (7) 2481

MichaelBaron
13-07-2018, 01:20 PM
Fantastic achievement! One more Grandmaster hailing from Melbourne!

Kevin Bonham
13-07-2018, 06:36 PM
Live games to commence 17.30 AEST

https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/paracin-open-2018/8/1/1

GM Lorparizangeneh Shahin 2493 (6½) - IM Tan Justin (7) 2481

And there are moves on the board so Justin is a GM-elect!!!!!!

Justin has shown great character to bounce back from the severe disappointment of losing a norm and get another one (and the rating points) so quickly. It hasn't been an easy time for him.

If he can overcome the infamous curse of "norm hangover" and hold or win this game he will also win the tournament outright.

lost
13-07-2018, 07:04 PM
And there are moves on the board so Justin is a GM-elect!!!!!!

Justin has shown great character to bounce back from the severe disappointment of losing a norm and get another one (and the rating points) so quickly. It hasn't been an easy time for him.

If he can overcome the infamous curse of "norm hangover" and hold or win this game he will also win the tournament outright.


Either way, Justin will be a GM-elect as the Chief Arbiter of the event will be giving him paperwork to confirm he has a live rating of 2500 should Justin lose his last round. He only needs a draw I have to win the tournament.

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lost
13-07-2018, 07:58 PM
Justin Tan draws and wins the tournament by half a point and on top of that getting his final GM norm. Congratulations Justin on this achievement.

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Garrett
14-07-2018, 04:12 AM
Fantastic, well done Justin.

Congratulations Kai.

Kai
14-07-2018, 08:15 AM
Fantastic, well done Justin.

Congratulations Kai.

Thanks Garrett. If I recall correctly, you stand undefeated against Justin! :D

Thanks everyone. Will pass your congrats on. He will be back in Melbourne soon for his summer hols.

Metro
14-07-2018, 11:25 AM
Congrats Justin and Kai.:clap::clap::clap: I remember him when he was that big at Noble Park.

Max Illingworth
14-07-2018, 04:57 PM
Congratulations Justin! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Thai Ly
15-07-2018, 02:55 PM
Well done Justin!

Great to see one of the promising group of recent Victorian juniors reach GM status. Hopefully a few more will join him soon.

Narelle
19-07-2018, 09:12 PM
Congratulations to Justin on becoming a GM. Congratulations also to Kai and Noble Park Chess Club.

Kai
20-07-2018, 11:18 AM
Congratulations to Justin on becoming a GM. Congratulations also to Kai and Noble Park Chess Club.

Thanks Narelle. You were Justin's first ever titled opponent way back in SIO2007. We still remember that game clearly! Hope to see you back playing chess.