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MichaelBaron
09-05-2018, 07:45 PM
Australian teams for Batumi Chess Olympiad (subject to any appeals, withdrawals)
Open: 1.Smirnov 2.Zhao 3.Illingworth 4.Cheng 5.Morris. Women: 1.Richards 2.Ryanova 3.Zhang 4.Nguyen 5.Berezina.

Kevin Bonham
09-05-2018, 10:26 PM
The above should be considered unofficial and I can't even confirm if it's correct (though it presumably is) - current ACF policy is not to release the draft selections, only the final selections.

As far as I know GM Smerdon did not apply.

Vlad
09-05-2018, 11:16 PM
... I can't even confirm if it's correct (though it presumably is) - current ACF policy is not to release the draft selections, only the final selections.

I strongly disagree. I believe Ryanova is spelled incorrectly.:)

Thai Ly
09-05-2018, 11:21 PM
Michael omitted to cite the source of his post, which was a tweet from Ian Rogers:

https://twitter.com/GMIanRogers/status/994089196087373826

Kevin Bonham
09-05-2018, 11:53 PM
I strongly disagree. I believe Ryanova is spelled incorrectly.:)

I noticed that too.

Capablanca-Fan
10-05-2018, 01:22 AM
How dare they select the teams before we've had a ChessChat poll?

Garrett
10-05-2018, 03:17 AM
How dare they select the teams before we've had a ChessChat poll?

If everyone had applied (Open team) it would have been tough !

Capablanca-Fan
10-05-2018, 06:30 AM
I noticed that too.

It seems that she transliterates Рыжанова as Ryjanova, although an alternative would be Ryzhanova.

Frank
10-05-2018, 07:23 AM
The above should be considered unofficial and I can't even confirm if it's correct (though it presumably is) - current ACF policy is not to release the draft selections, only the final selections.

As far as I know GM Smerdon did not apply.

It was leaked last Olympiad also. Surely we can do better.

Ian Murray
10-05-2018, 10:23 AM
I strongly disagree. I believe Ryanova is spelled incorrectly.:)

FIDE spells it Ryjanova

Kevin Bonham
10-05-2018, 06:25 PM
It was leaked last Olympiad also.

It will probably always be leaked, often within hours. (I think it might have been slower than usual this time.) This is inevitable given that it has to be emailed to the applicants so that they know the order of the selections in order to exercise their appeal right (should they be so inclined). With so many people receiving the news it isn't possible to determine who has passed it on.

I preferred the old system where the provisional selections were published immediately, but it's not my portfolio anymore.

Capablanca-Fan
11-05-2018, 03:17 AM
If everyone had applied (Open team) it would have been tough !

Yes, it was hard to exclude James Morris last time after another great Doerbel victory, because the applicants were so strong. Glad he has a spot this time.

Very young team when ZYZ is the veteran. Conversely, two of the Kiwi team are over 50—and clearly deserved their spots.

Ian Murray
22-05-2018, 04:02 PM
Australian teams for Batumi Chess Olympiad (subject to any appeals, withdrawals)
Open: 1.Smirnov 2.Zhao 3.Illingworth 4.Cheng 5.Morris. Women: 1.Richards 2.Ryanova 3.Zhang 4.Nguyen 5.Berezina.

An appeal has been dismissed, and above selections and board numbers are confirmed

Ian Murray
Olympiad Appeal Coordinator
acfappeal.aunz.org (acfappeal.aunz.org)

MichaelBaron
22-05-2018, 04:44 PM
An appeal has been dismissed, and above selections and board numbers are confirmed

Ian Murray
Olympiad Appeal Coordinator
acfappeal.aunz.org (acfappeal.aunz.org)

Would be interesting to know who appealed and on what grounds.

bundys_bro
23-05-2018, 06:35 AM
I would assume M.Ly might have given he was board 3 last time and played reasonably well. Form has clearly been at the forefront of the selectors minds so hopefully it transfers to the Olympiad and we have a positive result. I also think this is easily the strongest women’s team I’ve ever seen.

Desmond
23-05-2018, 08:46 AM
Is there a list of applicants available?

MichaelBaron
23-05-2018, 03:11 PM
I would assume M.Ly might have given he was board 3 last time and played reasonably well. Form has clearly been at the forefront of the selectors minds so hopefully it transfers to the Olympiad and we have a positive result. I also think this is easily the strongest women’s team I’ve ever seen.

Yes, hard to imagine others challenging. Anyway, I fully agree with the selectors choices on this occasion. James has been playing fantastically in recent months.
Re women's team - one factor is - we have been acquiring new players from overseas :)

Vlad
23-05-2018, 09:45 PM
Yes, hard to imagine others challenging. Anyway, I fully agree with the selectors choices on this occasion. James has been playing fantastically in recent months.
Re women's team - one factor is - we have been acquiring new players from overseas :)

Moulthun did not challenge. All I can say is that the challenge was not related to the open selection.

J.R.
31-05-2018, 01:38 AM
I would assume M.Ly might have given he was board 3 last time and played reasonably well. Form has clearly been at the forefront of the selectors minds so hopefully it transfers to the Olympiad and we have a positive result. I also think this is easily the strongest women’s team I’ve ever seen.

And the strongest ‘men’s’ team! Good luck to everyone selected- there is luck in chess, but hopefully you won’t need it!

Kevin Bonham
29-06-2018, 08:16 PM
Carlsen not playing (no surprise there) and neither is Hammer.

Kevin Bonham
21-07-2018, 02:07 AM
Russia:

Open: Kramnik, Karjakin, Nepomniachtchi, Jakovenko, Vitiugov
Women: Kosteniuk, Gunina, Goryachkina, Pogonina, Girya

MichaelBaron
21-07-2018, 03:35 AM
Russia:

Open: Kramnik, Karjakin, Nepomniachtchi, Jakovenko, Vitiugov
Women: Kosteniuk, Gunina, Goryachkina, Pogonina, Girya

2 Curious facts 1) Both Grishuk and Svidler were not selected. 2) While Russia has a lot of established chess trainers....the team will be ''captained'' by Filatov - president of the Russian chess federation

Ian Rout
21-07-2018, 12:01 PM
Both Grishuk and Svidler were not selected.I remember reading an interview (which I can't locate now) with a Russian coach or official, after (probably) the 2014 Olympiad, who was complaining about Svidler's commitment. He also didn't play in 2012 and 2016. It's easy to imagine that he might not have the best relationship with the hierarchy, and maybe sees his career more in commentary these days.

Harder to understand Grischuk being excluded (if it's not his decision) - perhaps they see all the time scrambles being too stressful for the other players.

MichaelBaron
21-07-2018, 12:51 PM
I remember reading an interview (which I can't locate now) with a Russian coach or official, after (probably) the 2014 Olympiad, who was complaining about Svidler's commitment. He also didn't play in 2012 and 2016. It's easy to imagine that he might not have the best relationship with the hierarchy, and maybe sees his career more in commentary these days.

Harder to understand Grischuk being excluded (if it's not his decision) - perhaps they see all the time scrambles being too stressful for the other players.

True, but Svidler does well in club team events. Re relationship - this is indeed what matters. If an official literally appoints himself a team captain...what can we expect )

Desmond
21-07-2018, 04:19 PM
Svidler relatively hasn't done very well in recent Olympiads, barely getting 50% or slightly over on his last 4 outings:


Olympiad Board Individual result Team result
Moscow 1994 2nd res 5.5/8 (7th) Gold
Yerevan 1996 Fourth 8.5/11 (Bronze) Gold
Elista 1998 First 5.5/9 (18th) Gold
Istanbul 2000 Third 4.5/8 Gold
Bled 2002 Reserve 6/9 (18th) Gold
Calvia 2004 Second 6.5/9 (5th) Silver
Turin 2006 Second 5/9 (42nd) 6th
Dresden 2008 Second 4.5/9 (16th) 5th
Khanty-Man 2010 Third 5.5/10 (7th) Silver
Tromso 2014 Third 4/8 (33rd) 4th

Kevin Bonham
21-07-2018, 05:34 PM
Wondering about the extent of Filatov's involvement in the FIDE Congress and whether that could prove a distraction.

MichaelBaron
22-07-2018, 11:41 AM
Svidler relatively hasn't done very well in recent Olympiads, barely getting 50% or slightly over on his last 4 outings:


Olympiad Board Individual result Team result
Moscow 1994 2nd res 5.5/8 (7th) Gold
Yerevan 1996 Fourth 8.5/11 (Bronze) Gold
Elista 1998 First 5.5/9 (18th) Gold
Istanbul 2000 Third 4.5/8 Gold
Bled 2002 Reserve 6/9 (18th) Gold
Calvia 2004 Second 6.5/9 (5th) Silver
Turin 2006 Second 5/9 (42nd) 6th
Dresden 2008 Second 4.5/9 (16th) 5th
Khanty-Man 2010 Third 5.5/10 (7th) Silver
Tromso 2014 Third 4/8 (33rd) 4th

Note that he usually played boards 1-3. Russian team strategy has recently been to hold higher boards and push hard on lower boards where the Russians are out-rating their opponents significantly.
It may have to change though, given emergence of strong and even USA and China teams.
Re Grishuk....he did lose a couple of important games in recent team events but overall - has also been a tower of strength.

I do like the replacements that they brought in though. Vitugov (just like Svidler) is a great guy and a true intellectual. There is a joke circulating throughout the Russian chess community right now: Svidler - Literacy - Communication Skills = Karjakin

Desmond
22-07-2018, 07:22 PM
Note that he usually played boards 1-3. Russian team strategy has recently been to hold higher boards and push hard on lower boards where the Russians are out-rating their opponents significantly.
In Tromso he had 200 rating points higher than his opponents on average, and yet only scored 4/8. And Russia missed out on the medals.

MichaelBaron
22-07-2018, 10:55 PM
In Tromso he had 200 rating points higher than his opponents on average, and yet only scored 4/8. And Russia missed out on the medals.

If team captain tells you to play solid, you play solid :). Have others all done well in the past for the Russian team (the one's selected). Australia has GMs as both captains....Russia managed to find a captain who is president of national chess federation, multi-millionaire...but not even a master!

lost
23-07-2018, 01:17 AM
If team captain tells you to play solid, you play solid :). Have others all done well in the past for the Russian team (the one's selected). Australia has GMs as both captains....Russia managed to find a captain who is president of national chess federation, multi-millionaire...but not even a master!

Michael,

You have to remember, Russia takes and pays for a coach for each team which in Batumi a single room will cost them around 2000 Euro's per room, in total 4000 Euro's. Being a captain, you just have to be licensed, thats all.

lost

Kevin Bonham
23-07-2018, 01:07 PM
Captains have extensive formal roles in the Olympiad (see https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/chess_olympiad_regulations.pdf) However the ones that are most important during the game (making decisions about draw offers etc) can be delegated to a deputy (who would presumably be a GM coach).

Ian Rout
23-07-2018, 02:22 PM
A couple of things I picked up on the official web site that may be of interest:

Team lists are due on 30 July - it was supposed to be today but was extended due to chess administrators being a disorganised rabble (that's not quite the words they used but the meaning is clear).

Play starts at 3pm Batumi time (11am for the last round); add 6 hours for Aust Eastern time. Daylight saving should not affect this as it starts here a couple of days after the event, and Georgia apparently doesn't have it.

Also the Australian team is rated very slightly higher than last time so will have a similar first round pairing and path through the early rounds (assuming the same pairing system). That's for the Open, the Women will be higher.

Desmond
23-07-2018, 05:20 PM
If team captain tells you to play solid, you play solid :). Well he lost 2 games to 2600, including one with white, so how solid is that?

Thai Ly
23-07-2018, 08:37 PM
https://twitter.com/MelbourneChess/status/1021341031160139776

MCC is pleased to confirm it has donated $1000 to the ACF's Olympiad Appeal for Australia to attend the 2018 Chess Olympiad.

The donation recognises the team's hard work and dedication to chess. Good luck in Batumi, Georgia!

Donations can be made at http://acfappeal.aunz.org .

Kevin Bonham
23-07-2018, 09:40 PM
https://twitter.com/MelbourneChess/status/1021341031160139776

MCC is pleased to confirm it has donated $1000 to the ACF's Olympiad Appeal for Australia to attend the 2018 Chess Olympiad.

The donation recognises the team's hard work and dedication to chess. Good luck in Batumi, Georgia!

Donations can be made at http://acfappeal.aunz.org .


Thankyou MCC. Very much appreciated.

MichaelBaron
23-07-2018, 09:52 PM
Michael,

You have to remember, Russia takes and pays for a coach for each team which in Batumi a single room will cost them around 2000 Euro's per room, in total 4000 Euro's. Being a captain, you just have to be licensed, thats all.

lost

Did not stop Russians from naming well known coach and GM Rublevsky captain of women's team :)
Btw, thinking that Australian players have toAn pay from their own pocket to play for the country as well as arrange time off work...sigh. And wondering if our captains have to pay ...to be captains as opposed to being paid...hope not.

Ian Rout
25-07-2018, 02:50 PM
Not sure if this has been mentioned previously, but according to the Welsh Chess Union, which you may know better as Undeb Gwyddbwyll Cymru, the Welsh women's team will be captained by Leonid Sandler.

http://www.welshchessunion.uk/international/2018-olympiad-batumi-georgia-sept-23rd-october-6th/

MichaelBaron
25-07-2018, 04:24 PM
Not sure if this has been mentioned previously, but according to the Welsh Chess Union, which you may know better as Undeb Gwyddbwyll Cymru, the Welsh women's team will be captained by Leonid Sandler.

http://www.welshchessunion.uk/international/2018-olympiad-batumi-georgia-sept-23rd-october-6th/

This is great! It is fantastic to see Australian coaches/training getting international recognition!
P.S. NZ also tends to be getting some international coaches

Kevin Bonham
09-08-2018, 01:47 PM
Shaun Press will be playing for PNG.

Ian Rout
09-08-2018, 02:12 PM
Shaun Press will be playing for PNG.Also Caruana is playing, and Short isn't.

The official website still gives the team lists as "coming soon".

Ian_Rogers
09-08-2018, 09:51 PM
Also Caruana is playing, and Short isn't.

The official website still gives the team lists as "coming soon".

The teams are now listed on Chess Results. Australia is ranked 41st in the Open Olympiad and 31st in the Women's Olympiad.

lost
09-08-2018, 10:50 PM
The teams are now listed on Chess Results. Australia is ranked 41st in the Open Olympiad and 31st in the Women's Olympiad.

Here is the links for the Olympiad.

Open Teams link: http://chess-results.com/tnr368908.aspx?lan=1

Women Teams link: http://chess-results.com/tnr368909.aspx?lan=1&art=0

lost

Kevin Bonham
09-08-2018, 11:05 PM
Not used to us being ranked so high, especially in the Women's!

It seems that chess-results are just listing teams in alphabetical order not in board order. (Not sure if the latter has been set yet.)

Russia are not top seed; perhaps this time they will actually win!

Ian Rout
10-08-2018, 09:23 PM
Here is the links for the Olympiad.

Open Teams link: http://chess-results.com/tnr368908.aspx?lan=1

Women Teams link: http://chess-results.com/tnr368909.aspx?lan=1&art=0

lostNot sure if it's just that my eyesight is going, but I can't see the home team in the lists.

Capablanca-Fan
11-08-2018, 10:17 AM
Here is the links for the Olympiad.

Open Teams link: http://chess-results.com/tnr368908.aspx?lan=1

Women Teams link: http://chess-results.com/tnr368909.aspx?lan=1&art=0

lost

Don't they have to play boards in rating order? MVL is first reserve for France (http://chess-results.com/tnr368908.aspx?lan=1&art=8&snr=7) although he is much higher rated than any of the others, and Vishy is board 2 for India (http://chess-results.com/tnr368908.aspx?lan=1&art=8&snr=5) although the 15th World Champ is still the highest rated. At lerast Aronian is still top board for Armenia (http://chess-results.com/tnr368908.aspx?lan=1&art=8&snr=9), and putting Anton on our board 4 (http://chess-results.com/tnr368908.aspx?lan=1&art=8&snr=41).

Edit 1: never mind, the lists are alphabetical for some reason.

Edit 2: Ian Rout beat me to that.

Ian Rout
11-08-2018, 10:45 AM
Don't they have to play boards in rating order? MVL is first reserve for France (http://chess-results.com/tnr368908.aspx?lan=1&art=8&snr=7) although he is much higher rated than any of the others, and Vishy is board 2 for India (http://chess-results.com/tnr368908.aspx?lan=1&art=8&snr=5) although the 15th World Champ is still the highest rated. At lerast Aronian is still top board for Armenia (http://chess-results.com/tnr368908.aspx?lan=1&art=8&snr=9), and putting Anton on our board 4 (http://chess-results.com/tnr368908.aspx?lan=1&art=8&snr=41).They can play in any order, but can't change it. However the lists on chess-results are alphabetical at this stage.

Ian Rout
21-08-2018, 02:37 PM
The teams are no longer shown in alphabetical order but it looks as though they are simply in rating order rather than board order (though it will often be the same or similar). Still no sign of Georgia's team.

MichaelBaron
21-08-2018, 03:40 PM
The teams are no longer shown in alphabetical order but it looks as though they are simply in rating order rather than board order (though it will often be the same or similar). Still no sign of Georgia's team.

In any case, there is still a chance for the teams to change the board order I believe.

Ian Rout
21-08-2018, 03:59 PM
In any case, there is still a chance for the teams to change the board order I believe.I think that's true (though in practice most teams wouldn't be deciding at the last minute).

MichaelBaron
22-08-2018, 01:03 AM
I think that's true (though in practice most teams wouldn't be deciding at the last minute).

They probably decided already.. just did not update the team registration form :). But yes, other than board order - further changes are unlikely.

Ian Rout
25-08-2018, 12:32 PM
Georgia has now been added, along with Georgias 2 and 3 (for some reason the top team is called Georgia 2), putting Australia down to 42.

There is still an odd number so maybe to eliminate the bye they could make up a FIDE President's team with Short, Makro, Pein etc.

Kevin Bonham
06-09-2018, 11:54 PM
Anti-cheating:

https://www.fide.com/component/content/article/1-fide-news/11140-2018-batumi-chess-olympiad-anti-cheating-measures-and-procedures.html

Capablanca-Fan
07-09-2018, 12:43 PM
Anti-cheating:

https://www.fide.com/component/content/article/1-fide-news/11140-2018-batumi-chess-olympiad-anti-cheating-measures-and-procedures.html

Good grief, takes all the fun out of the event. We didn't have this crap when I played in Olympiads.

Kevin Bonham
07-09-2018, 07:56 PM
Good grief, takes all the fun out of the event. We didn't have this crap when I played in Olympiads.

Unfortunately successful cheating would also take a lot of the fun out of the event. It's not a great spectator experience though - much harder than getting into an airport!

Ian Rout
14-09-2018, 10:45 AM
The lists on chess-results appear to have been updated a few days ago to September ratings, which will presumably be final. Australia's seeding is still 42.

The Open is now up to 185 teams but usually there are a handful of no-shows.

Metro
17-09-2018, 12:39 PM
Only seven days remaining for commencement of 1st round!
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Chess+Olympiad&iso=20180924T15&p1=3489

Metro
23-09-2018, 09:01 PM
24 hours to start of 1st round.
Are you excited?

StokesyRedcliff
24-09-2018, 01:12 AM
What are the best three sites to watch live coverage on? Does it start about 9pm Australian Eastern Standard Time tonight, Monday September24, 2018????

Frank
24-09-2018, 02:25 AM
What are the best three sites to watch live coverage on? Does it start about 9pm Australian Eastern Standard Time tonight, Monday September24, 2018????

See Smerdon's recommendation at http://davidsmerdon.com/?p=2048

AEST is 6 hours ahead of local game time of 3pm so I reckon you're on the money.

ER
24-09-2018, 02:08 PM
The Opening Ceremony
https://youtu.be/1jl8uXZp58Q

Bill Gletsos
24-09-2018, 03:06 PM
Round 1

Open: Australia v Qatar
Womens: United Arab Emirates v Australia

ER
24-09-2018, 08:45 PM
Round 1

Open: Australia v Qatar
Womens: United Arab Emirates v Australia


Thanks Bill, in the open we are playing board 42, women have board 34!

ElevatorEscapee
24-09-2018, 10:56 PM
See Smerdon's recommendation at http://davidsmerdon.com/?p=2048

AEST is 6 hours ahead of local game time of 3pm so I reckon you're on the money.

I'm able to view both open and womens games on chess24.com (and I haven't had to sign up). You select the games and teams from the site eg:

https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/olympiad-batumi-2018-open#live

Australian womens team games https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/olympiad-batumi-2018-women/1/34/1

Kevin Bonham
25-09-2018, 12:40 AM
I'm able to view both open and womens games on chess24.com (and I haven't had to sign up). You select the games and teams from the site eg:

https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/olympiad-batumi-2018-open#live

Australian womens team games https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/olympiad-batumi-2018-women/1/34/1

Yes this has worked best for me so far too. Chessdom does not have the full list of games.

MichaelBaron
25-09-2018, 01:44 AM
Great Start for the Australian teams! 4-0 and 3.5-0.5 respectively!

MichaelBaron
25-09-2018, 09:55 AM
Rd2, Men's team is playing Belarus while Women's is up against Latvia. Both matching are promising to be interesting.

Desmond
25-09-2018, 11:01 AM
Off to a good start, nice work.

Yes I watch on chess24 as well.

ElevatorEscapee
25-09-2018, 08:40 PM
Round 2
Open: Australia v Belarus
Womens: Australia v Latvia

soupman_2
25-09-2018, 09:20 PM
or see games on Chessbomb, https://www.chessbomb.com/

soupman_2
25-09-2018, 09:24 PM
I also enjoyed Sierawan's commentary on Chessbrah's Twitch channel
https://www.twitch.tv/chessbrah/videos/all

MichaelBaron
26-09-2018, 02:32 AM
Russian women's team lost to Uzbekistan!

Metro
26-09-2018, 12:31 PM
Round 2
Open: Australia v Belarus


Womens: Australia v Latvia

Belarus 2½ - 1½ Australia
GM Kovalev, V. 2664 1-0 GM Smirnov, A. 2549

GM Zhigalko, S.2610 ½-½ GM Illingworth 2512

GM Aleksandrov 2602 ½-½ IM Cheng, Bobby 2507

GM Stupak, K. 2583 ½-½ IM Morris, James 2494
A very good result given the ratings difference.

MichaelBaron
26-09-2018, 02:16 PM
Belarus 2½ - 1½ Australia
GM Kovalev, V. 2664 1-0 GM Smirnov, A. 2549

GM Zhigalko, S.2610 ½-½ GM Illingworth 2512

GM Aleksandrov 2602 ½-½ IM Cheng, Bobby 2507

GM Stupak, K. 2583 ½-½ IM Morris, James 2494
A very good result given the ratings difference.

And Anton almost got a draw as well.

Kevin Bonham
26-09-2018, 05:52 PM
Aus women drew 2-2 with Latvia, now playing Peru who are also a rather even match on paper.

Aus open playing Andorra who are pretty high rated on the top two boards and drop away a bit after that (but you have to watch out for those 2000-2200s at Olympiads!)

MichaelBaron
27-09-2018, 01:28 AM
Nguyen-Chumpitaz - what a dramatic struggle!

Mischa
27-09-2018, 02:01 AM
just a heads up the results got a bit mixed up.
Bobby actually won his game.
Zhao didn't win
Team still won 3/1


looks like the have updated the results

MichaelBaron
27-09-2018, 11:05 AM
Difficult Pairing for the men's team They are Playing Georgia 2 - one of the highly motivated and well-prepared home teams. Last round - they narrowly lost to Russia in a closely contested match. http://chess-results.com/tnr368908.aspx?lan=1&art=2&rd=4&flag=30
The women's team is up against yet another underrated home team - Georgia 3. However, it does appear to be a great opportunity to make a move into the leadership pack. Should Australia win (the match is to be played on ''board 10'' - it will probably be playing one of the ''super-teams'' next.
Furthermore, we are still ahead of the Russian Women's team!

Vlad
27-09-2018, 10:13 PM
It is a very exciting match-up between Australia and Georgia2 indeed. Two very close teams (by rating) are facing each other. But we are slightly younger and slightly underrated. So I hope these two will make a difference.:)

The sum of computer scores gives us advantage of about 0.8 on 4 boards... Well, it is one additional pawn from 4 games.:)

MichaelBaron
28-09-2018, 01:35 AM
It is a very exciting match-up between Australia and Georgia2 indeed. Two very close teams (by rating) are facing each other. But we are slightly younger and slightly underrated. So I hope these two will make a difference.:)

The sum of computer scores gives us advantage of about 0.8 on 4 boards... Well, it is one additional pawn from 4 games.:)

Right now its up to Bobby to Save the day. The endgame of 2 Bishops vs Kn is coming up and apparently its winning!

Kevin Bonham
28-09-2018, 01:43 AM
Right now its up to Bobby to Save the day. The endgame of 2 Bishops vs Kn is coming up and apparently its winning!

Yes, but it often takes >50 moves with best play by both sides.

Kevin Bonham
28-09-2018, 01:50 AM
Move 130 and with best play from the current position Bobby can win it in time.

Kevin Bonham
28-09-2018, 01:59 AM
Move 140 and it was #26 which isn't quite fast enough, really computers need to be equipped with "moves to force win of material" (which is probably less) for such positions.

Kevin Bonham
28-09-2018, 02:06 AM
Woohooo! He did it!

MichaelBaron
28-09-2018, 02:28 AM
After Rd4, Men's and women's teams combined....are on par with Russia :)

bundys_bro
28-09-2018, 07:48 AM
Very impressed with both team so far particularly the women’s and personally Heather Richards very solid board 1 performance so far. Let’s hope it continues in the next round.

MichaelBaron
28-09-2018, 10:45 AM
Very impressed with both team so far particularly the women’s and personally Heather Richards very solid board 1 performance so far. Let’s hope it continues in the next round.

If Heather keeps it up - WGM norm may be on its way!

StokesyRedcliff
28-09-2018, 12:00 PM
Go Heather! Go you good thing! Go the Australian Open and Women's Chess Teams! Go you good things!

MichaelBaron
28-09-2018, 06:01 PM
Go Heather! Go you good thing! Go the Australian Open and Women's Chess Teams! Go you good things!

Below is the definition for the ''Go you Good Thing '' expression....so those who were born overseas (myself included) get a clear idea who is a good ''thing'' and where this ''thing'' should go!
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=you%20good%20thing

Desmond
28-09-2018, 07:07 PM
Below is the definition for the ''Go you Good Thing '' expression....so those who were born overseas (myself included) get a clear idea who is a good ''thing'' and where this ''thing'' should go!
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=you%20good%20thing

Like The Matrix, no one can be told what Roy and HG is; you have to experience it for yourself :D

Bobby 3.5/4, not too shabby.

Kevin Bonham
29-09-2018, 01:33 AM
Open team beats Faroe Islands 3-1.
Women's team still going on three boards with Irina's game drawn.

Kevin Bonham
29-09-2018, 01:53 AM
Three draws now but Heather is a pawn down in a rook ending. This match could be the one that got away.

MichaelBaron
29-09-2018, 03:01 AM
Three draws now but Heather is a pawn down in a rook ending. This match could be the one that got away.

Very disappointing indeed :(

MichaelBaron
29-09-2018, 04:07 AM
Would the ladies win their match (and the chances were there!) they would be 2nd equal and playing Ukraine or China next.

soupman_2
30-09-2018, 06:46 PM
Action stations!
3673

MichaelBaron
30-09-2018, 07:30 PM
Action stations!
3673

A fantastic test for the Aussies against a very strong team coming from a country with an amazingly rich chess history: Despite being a relatively small nation, over the years - Hungary produced the likes of Charouzek, Marotzy, Szabo, Portish, Ribli, Sax, Benko and Leko (who happens to be playing against the Aus team)

bundys_bro
30-09-2018, 08:29 PM
Very strong board 4 there I feel the key is the bottom 2 boards

Mischa
30-09-2018, 10:28 PM
unsurprisingly I am confused....the players regardless of their rating can play in any order as long as the highest rated is one board one ?

Kevin Bonham
30-09-2018, 10:30 PM
unsurprisingly I am confused....the players regardless of their rating can play in any order as long as the highest rated is one board one ?

The team can put their five players in any order at all (top rated need not be board 1) but must stick to that order for the whole event (apart from choosing who does not play a given round). Sometimes there have been cases of a weak player playing board 1 because they are the team's sponsor.

MichaelBaron
30-09-2018, 10:54 PM
Very strong board 4 there I feel the key is the bottom 2 boards

Out of the opening, Bobby was better and James was worse...now both are about equal. Actually Anton tends to be standing a bit better against Leko~

MichaelBaron
30-09-2018, 11:13 PM
Out of the opening, Bobby was better and James was worse...now both are about equal. Actually Anton tends to be standing a bit better against Leko~

In fact, Smirnov-Leko (after white's 22nd move) black has defend very accurately not to end up in a difficult position with pawn weaknesses...Leko is a very experienced defender though.

MichaelBaron
01-10-2018, 01:50 AM
And unfortunately the day did not end well for the Australian teams :(

bundys_bro
01-10-2018, 08:18 AM
Yes quite an unfortunate ending. I wonder if they’ll take the opportunity to rest Anton get him rested for the fight back to the top.

Desmond
01-10-2018, 09:41 AM
And unfortunately the day did not end well for the Australian teams :(

In sports terms, perhaps we weren't hungry enough.

MichaelBaron
01-10-2018, 10:30 AM
In sports terms, perhaps we weren't hungry enough.

Well, the opponents were strong - particularly for the Men's team - 4 2600+ Gms.

Desmond
01-10-2018, 04:02 PM
Well, the opponents were strong - particularly for the Men's team - 4 2600+ Gms.

Bit off more than they could chew?

MichaelBaron
01-10-2018, 04:57 PM
Bo. 33 Australia (AUS) Rtg - 15 Spain (ESP) Rtg 0 : 0
22.1 WGM
Ryjanova, Julia
2330 - IM
Vega Gutierrez, Sabrina
2404
22.2 WGM
Zhang, Jilin
2224 - FM
Garcia Martin, Marta
2329
22.3 WFM
Nguyen, Thu Giang
2134 - IM
Matnadze, Ana
2362
22.4 IM
Berezina, Irina
2112 - WIM
Hernandez Estevez, Yudania
2192

MichaelBaron
01-10-2018, 04:58 PM
. 72 Myanmar (MYA) Rtg - 41 Australia (AUS) Rtg 0 : 0
37.1 IM
Wynn, Zaw Htun
2473 - GM
Zhao, Zong-Yuan
2523
37.2 IM
Myo, Naing
2327 - GM
Illingworth, Max
2512
37.3
Khin, Than
2200 - IM
Cheng, Bobby
2507
37.4 FM
Win, Tun
2235 - IM
Morris, James

Kevin Bonham
01-10-2018, 06:13 PM
Bo. 33 Australia (AUS) Rtg - 15 Spain (ESP) Rtg 0 : 0

Spain - sheesh! We lose 2.5-1.5 to Czech (26), we get Serbia (23), we lose 2.5-1.5 to them and we get Spain!

MichaelBaron
01-10-2018, 10:35 PM
Spain - sheesh! We lose 2.5-1.5 to Czech (26), we get Serbia (23), we lose 2.5-1.5 to them and we get Spain!

Actually I view it as a positive rather than a negative. It is such match ups that put Australian on the global chess map! Victory in rd 5 would elevate us to Table 2....this is what all teams should be playing for.
Likewise, our young team getting to have a go at Hungary is a memorable event!

On the other hand, beating the likes of Vanuatu and Virgin Islands is not going to add any glory to the team's record nor give players valuable experience.

MichaelBaron
02-10-2018, 03:45 AM
Women's team lost....and will now have a relaxing match vs Paraguay.
Men's team will play be playing Estonia next!

Ian Rout
02-10-2018, 02:31 PM
Referring back to the earlier discussion, the big flops have been Russia who have 10 match points (out of 14) and sit in =15th. Mathematically 18 points might be sufficient for a medal or even gold but apart from winning four straight it would require many other things to go right, especially since coming from so far back they will probably only get the chance to eliminate at most two contenders themselves and are likely to be disadvantaged on the tie-breaks.

Kevin Bonham
02-10-2018, 06:19 PM
Referring back to the earlier discussion, the big flops have been Russia who have 10 match points (out of 14) and sit in =15th.

Russia failing at Olympiad = Groundhog Day.

Hope we can beat Estonia today but it's going to be a tough match - we are black in the only game with a three-figure rating difference.

If Bobby wins or draws I'll have a look at how he's going for his GM norm, if no-one else has posted the calculations first. Ditto James once he has played another game though he would need to play all of rounds 9-11 to have a shot and I don't know if that's part of the plan.

Garvinator
02-10-2018, 08:29 PM
If Bobby wins or draws I'll have a look at how he's going for his GM norm, if no-one else has posted the calculations first. Ditto James once he has played another game though he would need to play all of rounds 9-11 to have a shot and I don't know if that's part of the plan.
I would imagine if James is within a realistic shot of a GM norm, then plans can change, but wouldn't his biggest difficulty be in getting opponents rated high enough being on board four trying to do it rounds 9 to 11?

Vlad
02-10-2018, 10:24 PM
Was too busy at work today, just finished my 3 hour evening lecture. All advice I could give Anton for today's game is to get an open position.

I come home and I can see that d file is open and e file is semi-open. It looks very promising.:)

P.S. To be fair, the first board is the only promising position I can see at the moment. I hope Yuan and Bobby hold...

Kevin Bonham
02-10-2018, 11:43 PM
I would imagine if James is within a realistic shot of a GM norm, then plans can change, but wouldn't his biggest difficulty be in getting opponents rated high enough being on board four trying to do it rounds 9 to 11?

Yes that's a big problem as is getting a third GM.

By my quick calculations he needs 2.5/3 vs opponents of mean rating 2461.5, including one GM, which means we have to play a team with a GM on 4 or 5.

MichaelBaron
03-10-2018, 12:11 AM
Was too busy at work today, just finished my 3 hour evening lecture. All advice I could give Anton for today's game is to get an open position.

I come home and I can see that d file is open and e file is semi-open. It looks very promising.:)

P.S. To be fair, the first board is the only promising position I can see at the moment. I hope Yuan and Bobby hold...

now *12.09) all of the 3 remaining games look balanced. Pinning my hopes on Bobby as he is the one who has the lowest rated opponent ...Overall, 3 more draws looks like a possibility...

Mischa
03-10-2018, 12:38 AM
are the boards from 23 down frozen?

Mischa
03-10-2018, 12:41 AM
well some of them

Kevin Bonham
03-10-2018, 12:50 AM
are the boards from 23 down frozen?

Aus open boards all look frozen, I went out for a walk around 45 mins ago and they haven't changed since.

MichaelBaron
03-10-2018, 01:26 AM
Aus open boards all look frozen, I went out for a walk around 45 mins ago and they haven't changed since.

They are working again.

Kevin Bonham
03-10-2018, 01:31 AM
The two remaining games look drawish. Aus women defeated Paraguay 3-1. Paraguay won on board 1 but were heavily outrated on the rest.

Kevin Bonham
03-10-2018, 01:48 AM
Assuming Bobby draws I get his main norm pathways as follows:

* 2/2 vs average rating 2397+
* 3/3 vs average rating 2306+ or including two non-consecutive opponents with average rating 2397+
* 2.5/3 vs average rating 2468+

In all cases he must play at least one titled player.

This is unofficial and has not been thoroughly checked.

MichaelBaron
03-10-2018, 02:22 AM
The two remaining games look drawish. Aus women defeated Paraguay 3-1. Paraguay won on board 1 but were heavily outrated on the rest.

I think Bobby's opponent has to defend very carefully. the endgame is not as simple as it looks.

Kevin Bonham
03-10-2018, 02:48 AM
I think Bobby's opponent has to defend very carefully. the endgame is not as simple as it looks.

Yes, and nothing is simple at 30 secs/move. If Bobby somehow wins, deduct half a point from the above scenarios, and others may come into play. However with such a long game again I wonder if we'll see him tomorrow or not.

MichaelBaron
03-10-2018, 04:31 PM
Bo. 41 Australia (AUS) Rtg - 50 Lithuania (LTU) Rtg 0 : 0
25.1 GM
Smirnov, Anton
2549 - GM
Sulskis, Sarunas
2525
25.2 GM
Illingworth, Max
2512 - IM
Pultinevicius, Paulius
2465
25.3 IM
Cheng, Bobby
2507 - IM
Laurusas, Tomas
2484
25.4 IM
Morris, James
2494 - GM
Malisauskas, Vidmantas
2443

Fairly strong team. Experienced GM (used to be 2600+) on board 1, 2 young talented IMs on boards 2 and 3 and a mega-experienced GM on board 4.

Mischa
04-10-2018, 01:49 AM
Go Anton...

Kevin Bonham
04-10-2018, 01:59 AM
Bobby draws vs Laurusus (2484) so now needs win-win vs average rating about 2460+. However assuming we lose 1.5-2.5 he might not get that average rating of opponents even if he can win his next two.

Kevin Bonham
04-10-2018, 02:02 AM
Urgh. Aus women's team lose 0-4 to Switzerland, seeded 6 places below us.

Tony Dowden
04-10-2018, 07:22 AM
... Despite being a relatively small nation, over the years - Hungary produced the likes of Charouzek, Marotzy, Szabo, Portish, Ribli, Sax, Benko and Leko (who happens to be playing against the Aus team)

And Judit Polgar(!)

MichaelBaron
04-10-2018, 10:44 AM
Urgh. Aus women's team lose 0-4 to Switzerland, seeded 6 places below us.

The worst result so far:(.
Hopefully now 2 wins will come to finish off the tournament on a respectable note.

Garvinator
04-10-2018, 01:24 PM
Bobby draws vs Laurusus (2484) so now needs win-win vs average rating about 2460+. However assuming we lose 1.5-2.5 he might not get that average rating of opponents even if he can win his next two.
And what about James? He got his GM and a decent rated opponent in round 9.

Metro
04-10-2018, 03:31 PM
R.10 Open Australia v Zambia

72. Zambia Rtg Avg: 2278, Captain: Eingorn Vereslav S
Bo. Name Rtg FED
1 IM Kayonde Andrew 2393 ZAM
2 FM Munenga Douglas D 2273 ZAM
3 CM Simutowe Musatwe 2208 ZAM
4 Kaulule Siame Kela 2160 ZAM
5 Mulenga Prince Daniel 2237 ZAM

Garvinator
04-10-2018, 03:42 PM
Bobby draws vs Laurusus (2484) so now needs win-win vs average rating about 2460+. However assuming we lose 1.5-2.5 he might not get that average rating of opponents even if he can win his next two.

Looking at the Zambian team, it looks like all Gm norms hopes are dead in the water, unless there is some miracle team pairing in the last round

MichaelBaron
04-10-2018, 03:43 PM
R.10 Open Australia v Zambia

72. Zambia Rtg Avg: 2278, Captain: Eingorn Vereslav S
Bo. Name Rtg FED
1 IM Kayonde Andrew 2393 ZAM
2 FM Munenga Douglas D 2273 ZAM
3 CM Simutowe Musatwe 2208 ZAM
4 Kaulule Siame Kela 2160 ZAM
5 Mulenga Prince Daniel 2237 ZAM

Tme main asset of Team Zambia is...their outstanding Captain. Other than that...we are having a clear edge :)

antichrist
04-10-2018, 03:54 PM
Tme main asset of Team Zambia is...their outstanding Captain. Other than that...we are having a clear edge :)

there are some players below my rating so this team is respectable for Africa.

MichaelBaron
04-10-2018, 04:06 PM
there are some players below my rating so this team is respectable for Africa.

Bo. 95 Zambia (ZAM) Rtg - 41 Australia (AUS) Rtg 0 : 0
36.1 IM
Kayonde, Andrew
2393 - GM
Smirnov, Anton
2549
36.2 FM
Munenga, Douglas D
2273 - GM
Illingworth, Max
2512
36.3 CM
Simutowe, Musatwe
2208 - IM
Cheng, Bobby
2507
36.4
Mulenga, Prince Daniel
2237 - IM
Morris, James
2494

Kevin Bonham
04-10-2018, 05:00 PM
Looking at the Zambian team, it looks like all Gm norms hopes are dead in the water, unless there is some miracle team pairing in the last round

Yep unless I've missed something that's sunk it for both Bobby and James. Unlucky pairing from the norm perspective, shame that we didn't get Iceland (probably for colour reasons). Hopefully we can go win-win now and finish above seeding.

I had a prefilled near-complete GM title application ready to rumble if Bobby got it so I will save that for another day.

Interesting at the top - Poland are leading!

Ian Rout
04-10-2018, 05:21 PM
Interesting at the top - Poland are leading!Only nine teams in contention for gold now. One entertaining outcome is a four-way tie on 18 points; I think this could happen through a few non-outrageous scenarios, though teams not liking their chances on tie-break may force the pace.

Garvinator
04-10-2018, 05:35 PM
Only nine teams in contention for gold now. One entertaining outcome is a four-way tie on 18 points; I think this could happen through a few non-outrageous scenarios, though teams not liking their chances on tie-break may force the pace.(my bolding)
Teams forcing the pace because of poor tie break- And that is always where the herd finishing first gets culled, because teams who have a bad tie break realise that finishing equal first, but with a bad tie break, means they actually finish 5th, 6th etc on countback, so have to take risks.

Vlad
04-10-2018, 09:03 PM
Interesting that the Australian Open team performs according its ratings as the sum of changes in ratings is exactly zero: -2.7+4.7-10+3.8+3.2=0.

What are the chances of that?:)

Bill Gletsos
04-10-2018, 09:22 PM
Interesting that the Australian Open team performs according its ratings as the sum of changes in ratings is exactly zero: -2.7+4.7-10+3.8+3.2=0.

What are the chances of that?:)I suggest you recheck your maths.

Vlad
04-10-2018, 09:49 PM
Yes, it is -1.:) Thanks.

Desmond
05-10-2018, 08:58 AM
Things are heating up, the winner gets to jack up tariffs:

Gaprindashvilicup (Best federation = sum (open + women))

Rk. Team TB1 TB2 TB3 TB4
1 China 34 664,0 55,0 250
2 USA 33 643,5 53,5 247

Ian Rout
05-10-2018, 10:13 AM
Just for those who haven't noticed, play starts four hours earlier tonight (5pm for most of us).

They may need that extra time to sort the tie-breaks. A four-way tie for first is possible if the top board is 2-2, which looks like it might favour Poland (if they are involved in it) ahead of USA and China. On the other hand if USA v China is decisive there could be seven teams tied for silver, where the Board 1 loser could miss out entirely to India and Poland if they win. (This assumes that I understand the tie-breaks properly, check it yourself before rushing to the TAB.)

Note that the tie-break depends on the result of previous opponents so can't be calculated until those opponents finish, hence the large crowd around Board 65.

Metro
05-10-2018, 12:24 PM
Uruguay (URU / RtgAvg:2387, Captain: Hoffman Alejandro
Bo. Name Rtg FED
1 GM Rodriguez Vila Andres 2477 URU
2 IM Roselli Mailhe Bernardo 2439 URU
3 FM Lopez Azambuja Nicolas 2322 URU
4 IM Rodi Luis Ernesto 2308 URU
5 FM Muniz Rafael 2248 URU

MichaelBaron
05-10-2018, 12:26 PM
Just for those who haven't noticed, play starts four hours earlier tonight (5pm for most of us).

They may need that extra time to sort the tie-breaks. A four-way tie for first is possible if the top board is 2-2, which looks like it might favour Poland (if they are involved in it) ahead of USA and China. On the other hand if USA v China is decisive there could be seven teams tied for silver, where the Board 1 loser could miss out entirely to India and Poland if they win. (This assumes that I understand the tie-breaks properly, check it yourself before rushing to the TAB.)

Note that the tie-break depends on the result of previous opponents so can't be calculated until those opponents finish, hence the large crowd around Board 65.

Fairly soft parings for both teams as they are rated above their opponents. However, given how the Women's team has been playing in recent rounds, I would not regard them as clear favourites in the upcoming match.

Ian Rout
05-10-2018, 05:57 PM
A small postscript to my above post #144 - while Poland and India can finish on 17, they can't both do so as they are playing each other and will only have 33 points between them.

ElevatorEscapee
05-10-2018, 08:30 PM
In the women's, Ryjanova & Berezina look to be winning easily, while Nguyen is in trouble. The computer evaluation has Zhang even, but I believe she has the advantage with the advanced b-pawn.

In the open, Anton and Max have both won, the computer evaluation gives Zhao's game as even, but I definitely prefer his position! Bobby seems to have the initiative in his positoin, but it's difficult to see any advantage....

ElevatorEscapee
05-10-2018, 09:01 PM
^^ Edit - Nguyen is back in it after her opponent missed 33... Rxb5 with a back rank mate threat.

Kevin Bonham
05-10-2018, 09:07 PM
In the open, Anton and Max have both won, the computer evaluation gives Zhao's game as even, but I definitely prefer his position! Bobby seems to have the initiative in his positoin, but it's difficult to see any advantage....

Zhao has won so we are 3-0 up. Hopefully we can finish above our seeding. It's been a credible effort by the team but at times our standing has not reflected our more or less to-rating performance.

Kevin Bonham
05-10-2018, 09:08 PM
Russia back from the nearly-dead to reach a match-points tie for 1st. Waiting to see how the tiebreaks pan out.

Kevin Bonham
05-10-2018, 09:26 PM
Looks like Ukraine is going to jump China and win the Women's.

Australia is beating Philippines so we will move up the standings but won't beat our starting ranking there.

StokesyRedcliff
05-10-2018, 11:53 PM
China and China!!!!

MichaelBaron
05-10-2018, 11:58 PM
Was great to see both Auzzie teams (Open & Women) giving their all in the last round! The Open team performed above their rating...and therefore well!

Kevin Bonham
06-10-2018, 01:54 AM
Aus women seeded 33 finished an okay 44th.


1 WIM Richards Heather S 2259 AUS 1 ½ ½ 0 0 0 0 2,0 7 2124 2 3,28 -1,28 20 -25,6
2 WGM Ryjanova Julia 2330 AUS 1 ½ ½ ½ 0 ½ 1 0 ½ 1 5,5 10 2213 5,5 6,80 -1,30 10 -13,0
3 WGM Zhang Jilin 2224 AUS 1 ½ ½ 1 ½ ½ 1 1 1 7,0 9 2292 7 6,04 0,96 20 19,2
4 WFM Nguyen Thu Giang 2134 AUS ½ 0 1 ½ 0 1 0 1 ½ 4,5 9 2076 4,5 4,97 -0,47 20 -9,4
5 IM Berezina Irina 2112 AUS 1 ½ 1 ½ 1 0 0 ½ ½ 5,0 9 2092 5 5,13 -0,13 20 -2,6

Great performance by Jilin undefeated with 7/9 in her first Olympiad for us. Her TPR (always ignore chess-results performance ratings) was 2332.

Open team seeded 41 finished a good 35th, marginally outperforming rating:


1 GM Smirnov Anton 2549 AUS 0 1 0 ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 1 5,0 9 2585 5 4,58 0,42 10 4,2
2 GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2523 AUS 1 0 1 1 ½ ½ ½ 1 5,5 8 2604 5,5 4,65 0,85 10 8,5
3 GM Illingworth Max 2512 AUS 1 ½ 0 ½ 1 ½ 0 ½ 1 5,0 9 2414 5 6,05 -1,05 10 -10,5
4 IM Cheng Bobby 2507 AUS 1 ½ 1 1 0 1 ½ ½ 1 ½ 7,0 10 2502 7 6,73 0,27 10 2,7
5 IM Morris James 2494 AUS 1 ½ 1 1 0 1 ½ ½ 5,5 8 2467 5,5 5,50 0,00 10 0,0

antichrist
06-10-2018, 02:52 AM
Looks like Ukraine is going to jump China and win the Women's.

Australia is beating Philippines so we will move up the standings but won't beat our starting ranking there.

this result is a reflection of Filipino society. Previously you could buy chess sets and books everywhere but not now, all the oldies knew how to play but now not the youngsters for them it is computer games. They obviously miss Wesley of course.

soupman_2
06-10-2018, 11:25 AM
Congratulations to all on representing your country well. Congratulations on battling through to the end. I hope you all enjoyed the experience.
A chess fan

Adamski
07-10-2018, 08:18 PM
Yes, indeed. Well done to both teams.

Kevin Bonham
08-10-2018, 12:57 PM
Looks like Ukraine is going to jump China and win the Women's.

This didn't happen because of this unlikely save which won China the Women's Olympiad.

Lei Tingjie - Girya, Olga

1. e4 c6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Nf3 Bg4 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3 Nf6 6. d3 e6 7. Bd2 Qb6 8.
O-O-O d4 9. Ne2 a5 10. g4 Na6 11. e5 Nd5 12. Qe4 Bc5 13. f4 Nac7 14. Bg2 Nb5
15. Rdf1 Ba3 16. bxa3 Nxa3 17. Kd1 Qb1+ 18. Nc1 Nc3+ 19. Bxc3 Qxc2+ 20. Ke1
Qxc1+ 21. Kf2 Qxc3 22. Kg3 Nc2 23. Rb1 Nb4 24. Rhd1 O-O-O 25. a3 Qxa3 26. Ra1
Qb3 27. Bf3 Qd5 28. Qe2 Qb5 29. Ra3 Kc7 30. Rda1 Ra8 31. Rc1 Nd5 32. Rc4 Nc3
33. Qf2 Rhd8 34. Rxd4 Rxd4 35. Qxd4 Nd5 36. Qa1 a4 37. Qc1 Qb4 38. Bxd5 exd5
39. Qa1 d4 40. Qa2 Kb6 41. Qa1 Ra5 42. g5 Ka6 43. Kg4 b5 44. Qa2 Qe7 45. f5 Kb6
46. h4 Qxe5 47. Qxf7 b4 48. Ra2 b3 49. Rf2 Ra7 50. Qf8 a3 51. Qb4+ Qb5 52.
Qxd4+ Ka6 (52... Qc5 53. Qd8+ Rc7 54. Qb8+ Rb7 55. Qd8+ Kb5 {and black will
win easily}) 53. f6 gxf6?? ({Black still wins after} 53... c5 54. fxg7 cxd4
55. g8=Q a2 {as black will get a new queen and hence can afford to lose the
original for a rook.}) 54. Rf5 Qb6 55. Qc4+ Kb7 56. Rxf6 a2 57. Rf7+ Ka8 58.
Rf8+ Kb7 59. Rf7+ Ka8 60. Rf8+ Kb7 61. Rf7+

Vlad
19-10-2018, 07:37 PM
Ian Rogers has written in the 50 moves: "After a poor start, Smirnov and Illingworth bounced back to score respectably..."

Just some official statistics from the official website (performance rating and rating change after each name):

1 GM Smirnov Anton 2585 4,2
2 GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2604 8,5
3 GM Illingworth Max 2414 -10,5
4 IM Cheng Bobby 2502 2,7
5 IM Morris James 2467 0,0

Maybe a bit more statistics... What was board 1 performance in the previous 2 Olympiads?

In 2016 GM Smerdon David had performance of 2505 and lost 3,6 rating points.

In 2014 GM Smerdon David had performnce of 2464 and lost 5 rating points.

Ian_Rogers
19-10-2018, 07:52 PM
Ian Rogers has written in the 50 moves: "After a poor start, Smirnov and Illingworth bounced back to score respectably..."

Just some official statistics from the official website (performance rating and rating change after each name):

1 GM Smirnov Anton 2585 4,2
2 GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2604 8,5
3 GM Illingworth Max 2414 -10,5
4 IM Cheng Bobby 2502 2,7
5 IM Morris James 2467 0,0

Maybe a bit more statistics... What was board 1 performance in the previous 2 Olympiads?

In 2016 GM Smerdon David had performance of 2505 and lost 3,6 rating points.

In 2014 GM Smerdon David had performance of 2464 and lost 5 rating points.

The performance ratings on Chess Results are wrong (too low) for any player who had to play against a low rated opponent. (That is why the medals are also awarded wrongly.) Generally this affects the performance ratings of the lower boards more.
The rating changes are usually correct.

Vlad
19-10-2018, 08:32 PM
Ian, just checked the true performances for Anton and Max using the pax calculator. Max has a performance rating of 2415, while Anton has a performance rating of 2583. So it is 1-2 points difference from the reported results.

Ian_Rogers
19-10-2018, 08:50 PM
Vlad,
Those performance ratings for Bobby and James look too significantly low, as do most of the women's performance ratings.
In any case, it is very disingenuous to try to make a point at Max's expense by quoting only half a sentence, when the other half is clearly praising Anton anyway.

Vlad
19-10-2018, 08:59 PM
Ian,
I think it is disingenuous to try to present Max in a better way at Anton's expense. One had bad performance, the other did not. There was no need to mention anybody.

Ian_Rogers
19-10-2018, 09:51 PM
Vlad, In an Olympiad report, it is probably better to mention everybody! Again, you quoted half a sentence to create an entirely misleading impression of my Open team summary. Why?

Kevin Bonham
19-10-2018, 09:51 PM
Vlad,
Those performance ratings for Bobby and James look too significantly low, as do most of the women's performance ratings.

Bobby's logistic TPR (logistic is apparently better than normal) was 2530 and James' was 2489, so they were ripped off 28 and 22 points respectively by the chess-ratings PRs; of course, we've all seen much much worse.

On the Women's team, I get that Jilin was ripped off 40 points (2332 not 2292) and the rest were all accurate within 10.

On another matter, Ian's excellent reporting of our teams' ups and downs in 50 Moves is easily worth the price of admission alone! I had intended to go down to the venue on the final day but wasn't well so missed out on hearing about all the dramas that occurred, especially the background to the Switzerland disaster.

MichaelBaron
20-10-2018, 10:51 AM
Bobby's logistic TPR (logistic is apparently better than normal) was 2530 and James' was 2489, so they were ripped off 28 and 22 points respectively by the chess-ratings PRs; of course, we've all seen much much worse.

On the Women's team, I get that Jilin was ripped off 40 points (2332 not 2292) and the rest were all accurate within 10.

On another matter, Ian's excellent reporting of our teams' ups and downs in 50 Moves is easily worth the price of admission alone! I had intended to go down to the venue on the final day but wasn't well so missed out on hearing about all the dramas that occurred, especially the background to the Switzerland disaster.

When assessing any performance within any sport/field it is important to remain objective. I have a feeling that discussion between Vlad (Anton's dad) and Ian (Illingworth's clubmate) somehow reflects some emotional underpinning on both sides :).


And this is exactly why its good to look at performance ratings/naked results rather that deliberate who played well and who did not. Irrespective of whether someone's performance is 2529 or 2528 - if we look at the overall results we can see that: a) Anton and Yuan Performed well b)Max performed not so well c) Bobby and James performed more or less at their ''expected level''.

On another note, a team is a team - and I hope that while at team events - the Auzzie team works together to prepare for the games and the players support each other and all get full support from the captain/coach - this is what team events are all about.

P.S. I still think that Australia has done quite well...and could have done even better. We have arguably a strongest team ever...and Anton, Bobby and James can only get better as their chess careers progress!

Kevin Bonham
20-10-2018, 11:06 AM
As for the medals, back in the day when medals were awarded on raw score, there used to be a site that presented performance ratings and I think it did TPRs. Not sure if it is still active though. In 50 Moves Ian mentions the case of Ketevan Arakhamia-Grant (SCO) scoring 9.5/10 and being diddled by the batched PRs. Her batched PR was 2549 (6th on board) but her TPR was 2658 (logistic) or 2626 (normal) - which may well have won her a medal if TPR was used, though I haven't checked the other contenders.

Bill Gletsos
20-10-2018, 12:44 PM
As for the medals, back in the day when medals were awarded on raw score, there used to be a site that presented performance ratings and I think it did TPRs. Not sure if it is still active though.It was run by Juha Kivijärv. Unfortunately it no longer appears to be active.

Ian_Rogers
20-10-2018, 03:23 PM
When assessing any performance within any sport/field it is important to remain objective. I have a feeling that discussion between Vlad (Anton's dad) and Ian (Illingworth's clubmate) somehow reflects some emotional underpinning on both sides :).c!


Michael's theory does tend to fall to the ground when his 'facts' are corrected - Illingworth is Smirnov's clubmate and has never been Rogers' clubmate - though Smirnov has been!

MichaelBaron
20-10-2018, 08:25 PM
Michael's theory does tend to fall to the ground when his 'facts' are corrected - Illingworth is Smirnov's clubmate and has never been Rogers' clubmate - though Smirnov has been!

Sorry. My wrong. It's just that given the disparity between Smirnov's and Illingworth's Olympic performances I do not see objective reasons (e.g. Performance Rating) to see why Performance of the 2 could be compared. May be because Max has been coached by you?
P.S. At least you've been coaching him...According to Max: http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?5069-An-interview-Added-GM-Elect-Anton-Smirnov&p=371744&viewfull=1#post371744

P.S My point was actually NOT about who is supporting whom... but about the fact that comparing TPR's and rating gains/losses is an objective way to assess respective performances of the players while a qualitative approach tends to be far more subjects with such matters.

Ian_Rogers
20-10-2018, 08:42 PM
Sorry. My wrong. It's just that given the disparity between Smirnov's and Illingworth's Olympic performances I do not see objective reasons (e.g. Performance Rating) to see why Performance of the 2 could be compared. May be because Max has been coached by you?
P.S. At least you've been coaching him...According to Max: http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?5069-An-interview-Added-GM-Elect-Anton-Smirnov&p=371744&viewfull=1#post371744

P.S My point was actually NOT about who is supporting whom... but about the fact that comparing TPR's and rating gains/losses is an objective way to assess respective performances of the players while a qualitative approach tends to be far more subjects with such matters.

Your point was to allege bias on both sides, which I reject.
In any case, the part of the sentence from 50 Moves which Vlad left out in order to mislead Chess Chat readers , was saying that Anton handled board 1 with aplomb. I did not say anything similar about Max.