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Bill Gletsos
03-01-2004, 04:54 PM
Lane was clearly winning after 31. Nd7.
On the other hand 31. Qd7 seems to hold for white.

Levi's 33. Qf3 allows Black to not only win the Queen but mate in 8 following 33...Qe1+ 34. Kg2 Re2+ when 35. Qe2 giving up the Queen is forced otherwise Kh3 leads to 36. Qh4#.
If however after 33. Qe2 Qe2 34. Re2 Ne5 white is better.
Levi's 34. Qg3 is a complete blunder allowing mate in one via 34...Qf1#

Kevin Bonham
03-01-2004, 05:17 PM
If however after 33. Qe2 Qe2 34. Re2 Ne5 white is better.

I just posted much the same on another thread wondering if those last two moves were really correct. At first I thought White was winning that ending but looking at it much more closely it is not clearcut.

Bill Gletsos
03-01-2004, 05:22 PM
I just posted much the same on another thread wondering if those last two moves were really correct. At first I thought White was winning that ending but looking at it much more closely it is not clearcut.
Yes maybe Black can hold it but White is the only one with a chance to win it.

As for the last 2 moves we will have to wait for the PGN to know for sure.

Sutek
03-01-2004, 09:14 PM
I just posted much the same on another thread wondering if those last two moves were really correct. At first I thought White was winning that ending but looking at it much more closely it is not clearcut.
Yes maybe Black can hold it but White is the only one with a chance to win it.

As for the last 2 moves we will have to wait for the PGN to know for sure.

Correct score is
[Event "championship"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2004.01.03"]
[Round "5.1"]
[White "Levi, E."]
[Black "Lane, G."]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C78"]
[PlyCount "66"]
[EventDate "2004.??.??"]
[SourceDate "2004.01.03"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Bc5 5. Nxe5 Nxe5 6. d4 a6 7. Ba4 Nxe4 8.
Qe2 Be7 9. Qxe4 Ng6 10. f4 O-O 11. f5 d5 12. Qd3 Nh4 13. g3 c5 14. gxh4 b5 15.
Bb3 c4 16. Qg3 Bxh4 17. Qf3 Bf6 18. c3 cxb3 19. axb3 Re8 20. b4 Ra7 21. Nd2
Rae7 22. Nb3 Bh4 23. Nc5 Re1 24. Bd2 Rxa1 25. Rxa1 Bg5 26. Bf4 Bxf5 27. Rxa6
Be4 28. Qg4 h6 29. Ra7 Qf6 30. Bxg5 hxg5 31. Nd7 Qe7 32. Rb7 Bd3 33. Qg3 Qe2
0-1




1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Bc5 5. Nxe5 Nxe5 6. d4 a6 7. Ba4 Nxe4 8. Qe2 Be7 9. Qxe4 Ng6 10. f4 O-O 11. f5 d5 12. Qd3 Nh4 13. g3 c5 14. gxh4 b5 15. Bb3 c4 16. Qg3 Bxh4 17. Qf3 Bf6 18. c3 cxb3 19. axb3 Re8 20. b4 Ra7 21. Nd2 Rae7 22. Nb3 Bh4 23. Nc5 Re1 24. Bd2 Rxa1 25. Rxa1 Bg5 26. Bf4 Bxf5 27. Rxa6 Be4 28. Qg4 h6 29. Ra7 Qf6 30. Bxg5 hxg5 31. Nd7 Qe7 32. Rb7 Bd3 33. Qg3 Qe2

Sutek
03-01-2004, 09:29 PM
I just posted much the same on another thread wondering if those last two moves were really correct. At first I thought White was winning that ending but looking at it much more closely it is not clearcut.
Yes maybe Black can hold it but White is the only one with a chance to win it.

As for the last 2 moves we will have to wait for the PGN to know for sure.

The PGN link for round 5 is incorrect.
But this one works :)

http://www.unichess.org/champpics/round5.pgn

Guess they will fix it in the morning.

Bill Gletsos
03-01-2004, 09:43 PM
Ok, looks like the originally posted moves were wrong.

Levi played 33. Qg3 not Qf3 in which case Lanes Qe2 is crushing.

Kevin Bonham
03-01-2004, 09:50 PM
Thanks Sutek.

So White blundered and lost on the spot with 33.Qg3?? when 33.Ne5 would merely have lost the exchange, although the endgame would be hopeless.

Earlier on, Bill suggests 31.Qd7 instead of the losing 31.Nd7? White can also play 31.Nxe4 first. Watching the game I thought this favoured White but looking more closely it looks very drawish.

Sutek
03-01-2004, 09:58 PM
Thanks Sutek.

So White blundered and lost on the spot with 33.Qg3?? when 33.Ne5 would merely have lost the exchange, although the endgame would be hopeless.

Earlier on, Bill suggests 31.Qd7 instead of the losing 31.Nd7? White can also play 31.Nxe4 first. Watching the game I thought this favoured White but looking more closely it looks very drawish.

After 33.Ne5 Qxb7 34.Nxd3 Qe7 and I think the exchange is the least of white's worries as his king is very exposed, but this is still a much better option then 33.Qg3??

Perhaps time trouble?

4r1k1/4qpp1/8/1p1p2p1/1P1P2Q1/2PN4/1P5P/6K1 w - - 0 35

Kevin Bonham
03-01-2004, 10:34 PM
My memory is that they had about ten mins left each at that stage, which for a 60 sec add-on isn't too bad. Yes 33.Ne5 gets a lot worse for White before he can even get into an endgame proper.