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Alana
02-04-2016, 03:53 PM
Even though the Bangkok Open doesn't start for another week (10-17 April) I'd thought I would get a thread rolling as there are a number of Aussies playing in the event. The event is run as a 9 round Open section as well as a 7 round Challengers, with 222 in the Open and 117 in the Challengers. There are 17 GMs entered so far, including Nigel Short, Surya Shekhar Ganguly and Loek Van Wely. There are 14 Aussies playing (12 in the Open, 2 in the Challengers) with IM Anton Smirnov being our top player. The full list of players can be found here: http://bangkokchess.com/bcc-open-2016-registrations/ .

I am going to the event as one of the arbiters, hopefully gaining my final International Arbiter norm from the event. I will hopefully be able to post some results, photos and games from some of the our contingent. Looking forward to it!

Watto
09-04-2016, 12:23 PM
Even though the Bangkok Open doesn't start for another week (10-17 April) I'd thought I would get a thread rolling as there are a number of Aussies playing in the event. The event is run as a 9 round Open section as well as a 7 round Challengers, with 222 in the Open and 117 in the Challengers. There are 17 GMs entered so far, including Nigel Short, Surya Shekhar Ganguly and Loek Van Wely. There are 14 Aussies playing (12 in the Open, 2 in the Challengers) with IM Anton Smirnov being our top player. The full list of players can be found here: http://bangkokchess.com/bcc-open-2016-registrations/ .

I am going to the event as one of the arbiters, hopefully gaining my final International Arbiter norm from the event. I will hopefully be able to post some results, photos and games from some of the our contingent. Looking forward to it!
Hope you have a great time, Alana. I can't remember whether you've been to a Bangkok Open before but it's a superb tournament in pretty much every way.

Alana
10-04-2016, 12:31 AM
Hope you have a great time, Alana. I can't remember whether you've been to a Bangkok Open before but it's a superb tournament in pretty much every way.

This is my first time to Thailand - am really looking forward to it! Met with the organisers and other arbiters today - such nice people. Highlights included trying some of the local fruit and sweets, and having clock-setting races with one of the Singaporeans. Really looking forward to tomorrow. There are about 280 players registered at the moment but they say about 10-15% normally don't show up but it looks like the organisers will break the record for both the number of players and the number of countries.

Alana
10-04-2016, 12:36 AM
chess-results.com:

Open: http://chess-results.com/tnr215394.aspx?lan=1&art=0&flag=30&wi=821
Challenger: http://chess-results.com/tnr215393.aspx?lan=1&art=0&flag=30&wi=821

Thebes
11-04-2016, 03:54 PM
Anton currently 2/2, did he play in the blitz? I know Nigel Short won it.

Vlad
11-04-2016, 04:14 PM
Nigel has done impossible, he won the lightning that has not yet happened...;)

P.S. I believe the blitz scheduled on the 13-th and 14-th...

Thebes
11-04-2016, 04:16 PM
Nigel has done impossible, he won the lightning that has not yet happened...;)

P.S. I believe the blitz scheduled on the 13-th and 14-th...

I saw him tweet something about wondering whethee he should play the blitz; and then the next tweet was 8.5/9
Will Anton be playing
https://twitter.com/nigelshortchess/status/718631501001166848

Vlad
11-04-2016, 04:20 PM
That was a lightning on the 8-th of April, completely unrelated to the current event...

I do not know whether Anton will play or not...

Kaitlin
11-04-2016, 04:37 PM
The Nige is the Chuck Norris of chess...

pax
11-04-2016, 06:33 PM
The 'long tail' of players rated under 2300 will make achieving GM norms very tough.

ER
11-04-2016, 07:22 PM
The 'long tail' of players rated under 2300 will make achieving GM norms very tough.

Cool story bro. Cut the 165 paying customers "tail" off and send the expenses bill to His Majesty Bhumibol Adulyadej!

pax
12-04-2016, 11:30 AM
Cool story bro. Cut the 165 paying customers "tail" off and send the expenses bill to His Majesty Bhumibol Adulyadej!

That's your suggestion, not mine. I just made an observation. There is a "Challenger" tournament, but a large number of people who could be playing it are playing in the Open. Maybe the prizes in the second tier event need to be improved, I don't know. I'm not sure of the motivation for an 1800 rating player to play in the open: so they can get smashed by an IM in round 1?

simdeaf
12-04-2016, 11:58 AM
'm not sure of the motivation for an 1800 rating player to play in the open: so they can get smashed by an IM in round 1?

Maybe that's the motivation. I know for myself, what I remember most about my chess career is not winning tournaments but the high rated players I beat or drawn with. Beating a proper titled player (none of that CM nonsense) this year was a real highlight for me, don't remember much about the rest of the tournament. That, plus why wouldn't you want to test yourself against the best? Worst case outcome, you get lessons in how to play chess. Best case, you get something to remember for the rest of your life.

MichaelBaron
12-04-2016, 02:03 PM
That's your suggestion, not mine. I just made an observation. There is a "Challenger" tournament, but a large number of people who could be playing it are playing in the Open. Maybe the prizes in the second tier event need to be improved, I don't know. I'm not sure of the motivation for an 1800 rating player to play in the open: so they can get smashed by an IM in round 1?

I am more curious to know, what could be motivation for 1700 to travel all the way to Thailand to play in the reserves section. Prizes are not going to pay for travel expenses anyway, but in the Open section, there is a chance to ''rub shoulders'' with GMs

ER
12-04-2016, 02:18 PM
I am more curious to know, what could be motivation for 1700 to travel all the way to Thailand to play in the reserves section. Prizes are not going to pay for travel expenses anyway, but in the Open section, there is a chance to ''rub shoulders'' with GMs

It's the thrill of it. Beautiful country, great food, friendly people. The tournament itself is enjoyable and the participants socialise well regardless of nationality and/or rating! Kai and family are great hosts and Thais love Australians who go and play there. GM David Smerdon, is referred to with great respect and they claim, (not sure if that's accurate or not, David might tell us himself) that he obtained his final GM norm playing at the Open. I heard that story while I was last time in Bangkok!

Thebes
12-04-2016, 02:31 PM
I am more curious to know, what could be motivation for 1700 to travel all the way to Thailand to play in the reserves section. Prizes are not going to pay for travel expenses anyway, but in the Open section, there is a chance to ''rub shoulders'' with GMs

Because not everyone is old and miserable like you Baron, some people love the game of Chess and to travel, so they can do both.
I'll be playing next year at the "better" venue, but most likely not in the challengers.

MichaelBaron
12-04-2016, 02:47 PM
Because not everyone is old and miserable like you Baron, some people love the game of Chess and to travel, so they can do both.
I'll be playing next year at the "better" venue, but most likely not in the challengers.

So why would not young and happy You play in the Reserves section then, since it is only old and miserable people who think Open section is the one more worthy of travelling for?

Thebes
12-04-2016, 02:55 PM
So why would not young and happy You play in the Reserves section then, since it is only old and miserable people who think Open section is the one more worthy of travelling for?

Not the point I was making, but than again we're use to you misinterpreting obvious points.

MichaelBaron
12-04-2016, 03:07 PM
Not the point I was making, but than again we're use to you misinterpreting obvious points.

I was suggesting (see the original post) that it makes sense for weaker players to enter the Open section when playing big events internationally. This was posted in response to Pax suggesting that prize money could be a factor in playyers' choosing to play in Open/Reserves section. That's it. Simple as that :)

Frank
12-04-2016, 05:12 PM
It's the thrill of it. Beautiful country, great food, friendly people. The tournament itself is enjoyable and the participants socialise well regardless of nationality and/or rating! Kai and family are great hosts and Thais love Australians who go and play there. GM David Smerdon, is referred to with great respect and they claim, (not sure if that's accurate or not, David might tell us himself) that he obtained his final GM norm playing at the Open. I heard that story while I was last time in Bangkok!

Your correspondent is of a sunny disposition and who is a joy to read.

ER
12-04-2016, 07:09 PM
Your correspondent is of a sunny disposition and who is a joy to read.

Thanks Frank, I think it's the only way to be! :)

Here's a couple of pictures from the "chess in Bangkok" selection! :)

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Kai setting the rules! Photo Elliott Renzies

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What's this Rook doing at my back rank? Photo: Elliott Renzies

Frank
12-04-2016, 11:35 PM
Thanks Frank, I think it's the only way to be! :)

Here's a couple of pictures from the "chess in Bangkok" selection! :)

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Kai setting the rules! Photo Elliott Renzies

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What's this Rook doing at my back rank? Photo: Elliott Renzies

Great to have pics

ER
12-04-2016, 11:49 PM
Because not everyone is old and miserable like you Baron, some people love the game of Chess and to travel, so they can do both.
I'll be playing next year at the "better" venue, but most likely not in the challengers.

If everything else goes well I see you there Thebe! :)

Alana
13-04-2016, 12:32 AM
It's the thrill of it. Beautiful country, great food, friendly people. The tournament itself is enjoyable and the participants socialise well regardless of nationality and/or rating! Kai and family are great hosts and Thais love Australians who go and play there. GM David Smerdon, is referred to with great respect and they claim, (not sure if that's accurate or not, David might tell us himself) that he obtained his final GM norm playing at the Open. I heard that story while I was last time in Bangkok!

Also: The Songkran Festival starting tomorrow! Going to be sooooooooo much fun. :)

ER
13-04-2016, 02:19 AM
Also: The Songkran Festival starting tomorrow! Going to be sooooooooo much fun. :)

LOL ok. now lemme give you a tip. No brolly or raincoat will save you. they will make sure you get drenched to the bone. it's fun anyway. BUT if you want to be dry as, and I mean not a drop of water on you the trick is to stay in your hotel room to don a t-shirt (preferably yellow - the royal colour) with His Majesty's picture on it. You are safe. On the attacking style avoid hosing down cops, military officers and the elderly!

Tony Dowden
13-04-2016, 10:06 AM
Your correspondent is of a sunny disposition and who is a joy to read.
Yes, thanks for your posts Elliot :cool:

ER
13-04-2016, 12:26 PM
Yes, thanks for your posts Elliot :cool:

hehe Tony during the Songkran Festival I 'd love to do weather reports! :P :)

Desmond
13-04-2016, 01:57 PM
What's this Rook doing at my back rank? Photo: Elliott RenziesGreat pic and caption!

ER
13-04-2016, 07:43 PM
Great pic and caption!

thanks RR. family support and participation is the name of the game
in Bangkok tournaments! :)

ER
13-04-2016, 07:48 PM
That's your suggestion, not mine. I just made an observation.

I know, was just joking! :)

Brian_Jones
13-04-2016, 11:15 PM
Its been shocking weather here in Bangkok - raining outside the hotel all day!

Alana
14-04-2016, 12:14 PM
So I realised I had originally set up this thread to post results and photos of the Aussies in this event, and yet I haven't yet done so! It's been a very enjoyable event so far, naturally with long days and nights as an arbiter waiting for all the games to finish and then setting up for the next day. Last night was even worse with 8 qualifiers of 14 players each run as a round robin - though my group finished about 15 minutes earlier than the rest!. "Setting up" involves the crazy job of putting out all of the name tags and flags for each player - an easy task for the Doeberl Premier where there are generally around 80 players, not so easy here with 196 players in the Open! The challengers all have name tags and flags as well... Thankfully there is a great team of staff and organisers here so the job doesn't take too long...

So for the chess: We have had 5 rounds now, with round 6 starting at 2pm (5pm Sydney time). GM Loek Van Wely is the only player on 100%, but 5 players are trying to catch him. Loek is playing the top seed this round, so it will be very interesting to see the result!

In the Challengers only 3 rounds have been played (out of 7). There are 12 players on 3/3 including our very own Lillian Lu!

Aussie results:

Open

IM Anton Smirnov 3.5/5
FM Tim Reilly, Alain Pardoen 3/5
Patrick Gong, Bobby Yu 2.5/5 - these two played each other both in Round 5 yesterday and the blitz event last night!
Peter Frost, FM Brian Jones, Neil Markovitz, FM Lee Jones 2/5 - Peter started the event with a very impressive 1.5/2 against much higher rated opponents

Challengers (only three rounds played so far)

Lillian Lu 3/3
Stephen Jago 2/3

Some photos in next post!

Kaitlin
14-04-2016, 12:17 PM
Its been shocking weather here in Bangkok - raining outside the hotel all day!

I would luv it..

Alana
14-04-2016, 12:30 PM
Okay so my internet here is being very slow, but I have a public album on Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10207907659562658.1073741851.1631552867&type=1&l=5716b65bdf if anyone wants to see the photos.

Alana
14-04-2016, 12:37 PM
Its been shocking weather here in Bangkok - raining outside the hotel all day!


I would luv it..

I think Brian is referring to Songkran...

Thebes
14-04-2016, 02:35 PM
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He's tweeting "at" Novak Djokovic comparing the fact tennis players dont have to play two games why should chess players?

MichaelBaron
14-04-2016, 03:12 PM
Btw, tennis players do play 2 matches a day sometimes! For example if there is a rain delay, match continues next morning and at night - the winner has to play again.
Likewise, it is common for players who play both singles and doubles to play in both events on the same day.

pax
14-04-2016, 04:57 PM
I have the feeling Anton's Chinese opponent in round 5 is tremendously underrated.

Thebes
14-04-2016, 04:59 PM
Btw, tennis players do play 2 matches a day sometimes! For example if there is a rain delay, match continues next morning and at night - the winner has to play again.
Likewise, it is common for players who play both singles and doubles to play in both events on the same day.

I know a couple years ago, there was a lot of controversary as a player played till like 2-3am in the morning, and then had to play the same day as it was the next round.

pax
14-04-2016, 05:01 PM
I have the feeling Anton's Chinese opponent in round 5 is tremendously underrated.

Hmm, yes, over 300 points in just over a year, and clearly many more to come.

Vlad
14-04-2016, 08:21 PM
Add to that that he is playing at the lightning speed. In the 4-th round when he beat the German player (2430) he had 1h 30 minutes while the German guy blundered in severe time trouble...:)

Against Anton he had close to 1 hour when Anton was unusually short on time near the first time control...

Anyway, one way or another I think we will hear about this player. Note also that he is only 16 year old.

MichaelBaron
14-04-2016, 11:55 PM
I know a couple years ago, there was a lot of controversary as a player played till like 2-3am in the morning, and then had to play the same day as it was the next round.

Paire fiished his 3 set close battle with Murray about an 2 hours ago...and right now he is in the 2nd set of his doubles match already...

Watto
15-04-2016, 09:06 AM
Paire fiished his 3 set close battle with Murray about an 2 hours ago...and right now he is in the 2nd set of his doubles match already...
Fascinating stuff but not all that convincing. It's in very particular circumstances (rain delays or if a player takes on two tournaments) that this happens in tennis; it's not built into the schedule like chess.

Ian Rout
15-04-2016, 09:51 AM
There are many cases where it's useful to draw comparisons with other sports but this isn't really one of them. Weightlifters and pole vaulters don't make one lift or vault a day and even swimmers can race several times in a day. On the other hand footballers only turn out once or twice a week, and playing with the regularity of boxers or marathon runners would spin a tournament out for a year or two.

Nigel is hardly Djokovic but he could justifiably claim to be the Andy Murray of his day, as opposed to some middle-ranking GMs for who a comparison with the world number 500 tennis player would be more apt. But I think he has a point about the ratings. Mixing elite tournaments with more frenetically paced events does impact on their integrity. Perhaps there is a case for a sort of super-rating list (like a PTA/PGA tour).

(PS: Intersting topic, but maybe a thread split??)

Thebes
15-04-2016, 08:34 PM
There are many cases where it's useful to draw comparisons with other sports but this isn't really one of them. Weightlifters and pole vaulters don't make one lift or vault a day and even swimmers can race several times in a day. On the other hand footballers only turn out once or twice a week, and playing with the regularity of boxers or marathon runners would spin a tournament out for a year or two.

Nigel is hardly Djokovic but he could justifiably claim to be the Andy Murray of his day, as opposed to some middle-ranking GMs for who a comparison with the world number 500 tennis player would be more apt. But I think he has a point about the ratings. Mixing elite tournaments with more frenetically paced events does impact on their integrity. Perhaps there is a case for a sort of super-rating list (like a PTA/PGA tour).

(PS: Intersting topic, but maybe a thread split??)

I only posted it here as he was obviously referring to the game he lost in the night round of the double day

Desmond
17-04-2016, 01:31 PM
Paire fiished his 3 set close battle with Murray about an 2 hours ago...and right now he is in the 2nd set of his doubles match already...

Is a 3-setter & a volley-and-giggle even on par with a 5-setter?