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Garvinator
08-11-2015, 11:25 PM
http://en.chessbase.com/post/candidates-will-take-place-in-march-in-moscow

Now the following seven players are nominated for the Candidates:

Viswanathan Anand (World Championship finalist)
Hikaru Nakamura (Grand Prix)
Fabiano Caruana (Grand Prix)
Sergey Karjakin (World Cup)
Peter Svidler (World Cup)
Levon Aronian (Wildcard)
Veselin Topalov (Average rating in 2015)

And the remaining spot is between Anish Giri and Vlad Kramnik. I am wondering? What opportunities exist for Kramnik to make up the 9 elo points approx he needs to get above Giri?

MichaelBaron
08-11-2015, 11:37 PM
http://en.chessbase.com/post/candidates-will-take-place-in-march-in-moscow

Now the following seven players are nominated for the Candidates:

Viswanathan Anand (World Championship finalist)
Hikaru Nakamura (Grand Prix)
Fabiano Caruana (Grand Prix)
Sergey Karjakin (World Cup)
Peter Svidler (World Cup)
Levon Aronian (Wildcard)
Veselin Topalov (Average rating in 2015)

And the remaining spot is between Anish Giri and Vlad Kramnik. I am wondering? What opportunities exist for Kramnik to make up the 9 elo points approx he needs to get above Giri?
Giri will be playing in European championship (team) can lose points there. Also, Kramnik will be playing Quatar

ER
09-11-2015, 02:36 AM
what's this wildcard business as referred to in the article? Is this tennis or something? then again it's your money Mr Sargisian (I think this is the correct spelling of the Armenian billionaire's name)!

damo
09-11-2015, 07:10 AM
http://en.chessbase.com/post/candidates-will-take-place-in-march-in-moscow

And the remaining spot is between Anish Giri and Vlad Kramnik. I am wondering? What opportunities exist for Kramnik to make up the 9 elo points approx he needs to get above Giri?

Note that the 9 elo gap is for average rating. Giri actually would need to lose around 44 elo for Kramnik to qualify.

Kevin Bonham
09-11-2015, 01:46 PM
what's this wildcard business as referred to in the article? Is this tennis or something?

Unfortunately this nonsense of having a wildcard in the Candidates has been around for a while now.

Topalov hasn't actually formally qualified yet, it's just more or less inevitable mathematically that he will.

Thebes
09-11-2015, 02:35 PM
Unfortunately this nonsense of having a wildcard in the Candidates has been around for a while now.

Topalov hasn't actually formally qualified yet, it's just more or less inevitable mathematically that he will.

I feel like if anyone should be entitled to the wildcard it should be someone like Wei Yi or Ding Liren, who didnt have every opportunity to qualify the usual way like aronian did.

Agent Smith
09-11-2015, 03:35 PM
Aronian has just won the Sinquefield super tournament. Not too shabby.

I thought he was missing out on the Candidates, but it'll be great to have him there. And even , hopefully, win :)

lost
09-11-2015, 05:43 PM
Aronian has just won the Sinquefield super tournament. Not too shabby.

I thought he was missing out on the Candidates, but it'll be great to have him there. And even , hopefully, win :)

If he does win, it will be strange as he did come out saying that he was going to help Magnus regain the title.

lost

MichaelBaron
09-11-2015, 06:08 PM
I feel like if anyone should be entitled to the wildcard it should be someone like Wei Yi or Ding Liren, who didnt have every opportunity to qualify the usual way like aronian did.

Ding entered the top 10 right now and is currently number 9 0r 10 in the world. Wei Yi is extremely talented..but not even in top 10. Not sure why they did not have opportunities.

MichaelBaron
09-11-2015, 06:10 PM
If he does win, it will be strange as he did come out saying that he was going to help Magnus regain the title.

lost

Well that makes sense! In order for Magnus to regain his title - he has to lose the title first. May be his plan is...win the candidates, then beat Magnus in a match...then lose the next match to Magnus...and here we go - title regained!

Garvinator
09-11-2015, 10:12 PM
Note that the 9 elo gap is for average rating. Giri actually would need to lose around 44 elo for Kramnik to qualify.
So it can be 23 points averaged between two tournaments. Giri loses 23 points in one tournament, Kramnik gains 23 in another tournament.

Garvinator
09-11-2015, 10:22 PM
I feel like if anyone should be entitled to the wildcard it should be someone like Wei Yi or Ding Liren, who didnt have every opportunity to qualify the usual way like aronian did.
In almost all cases like this for the candidates tournament, the wildcard has been used as a drawcard to generate a sponsor to stump up the cash to hold the event, and that gives a decent, or half decent player a go in the event. In this case, Aronian. If suitable sponsors were interested in getting either of Wei Yi or Ding Liren into the event, then they could have contacted fide, offered generous sponsorship with the wildcard proviso and they would have been in.

It is almost certainly why the wildcard provision exists. Without it, I would imagine this event would be much harder to run financially. A small piece of reality here as well. I think the sponsor has most likely made a political concession that he did not really need to make, but did so due to the political situation in Armenia. The sponsor could have 'demanded' the event be held in Armenia and put up quite a significant sum of cash for it, but this could have caused major issues.

So it is indeed fortunate that the event is being held in Moscow with the wildcard going to Aronian.

MichaelBaron
10-11-2015, 12:12 PM
I think the sponsor has most likely made a political concession that he did not really need to make, but did so due to the political situation in Armenia. The sponsor could have 'demanded' the event be held in Armenia and put up quite a significant sum of cash for it, but this could have caused major issues.



Situation in Armenia is fairly stable (no less stable than in other countries of the region). There would be problems if a chess-player from Azerbaijan would qualify but none of the Azeris (Mamedyarov, Radjabov etc.) managed to do so. Furthermore, Aronian and other Armenians played in Baku in the WC just a couple of months ago. Other than that - I do not see any problems for the participants to travel to Armenia (it is an incredibly beautiful country by the way). The reason it is in Moscow has more to do with the fact that the sponsor (Takhir Group) conducts most of its business in Russia but has an owner who is of Armenian origin.

ER
17-11-2015, 06:28 PM
... Furthermore, Aronian and other Armenians played in Baku in the WC just a couple of months ago. ... Talking about Levon he fixed Magnus with a beauty the other day! :)

Kevin Bonham
22-12-2015, 12:50 AM
It is confirmed now that Topalov and Giri are the final two on rating. Kramnik playing Qatar is irrelevant since it won't be rated in time.

The qualifiers have until January 11 to decide whether to accept their places. Jakovenko is first reserve and Kramnik second.

Agent Smith
22-12-2015, 05:31 AM
I like Giri's chances the best .... or maybe Lev or Caruana.
Nakamura has been playing well too but surely the prospect of being thrashed by Magnus will distract him from winning the candidates.

Kevin Bonham
22-12-2015, 09:15 AM
I'll put up a poll eventually but at least wait til after the confirmation deadline before doing so.

Wallay
24-01-2016, 05:10 PM
Magnus Carlsen is set to defend his title of World Chess Champion this year at the Fide World Chess Championship sometime in November in the USA . However, before a worthy challenger emerges, a couple of players (selected based on various criteria) have to take part in a candidates tournament before one of them gets a chance to go against Carlsen for the title of World Chess Champion.

The candidates tournament is set to take place in Moscow, Russia from the 10th - 30th of March, 2016. A total of 8 players will be participating in the tournament and the format is a double round robin with 14 rounds. The prize fund is a guaranteed 450,000 US Dollars.

Magnus Carlsen first got the title when he defeated Grandmaster Viswanathan Anand in his own Country, India in 2013. In 2014, Anand had the opportunity to go against Carlsen but he lost again.

Anand has a chance to challenge for the title this year as well but before that can happen, he has to face some stiff competition.

The criteria to qualify for the candidates tournament and the players that fit the bill are:
1. World Championship Match 2014 - The player who lost the 2014 World Championship Match qualifies. - Viswanathan Anand (India)

2. World Cup 2015 - The two (2) top winners of the World Cup 2015 that held in Baku, Azerbaijan (The World Cup is not the same as the World Chess Championship)
Sergey Karjakin- WINNER (Russia)
Peter Svidler - RUNNER UP (Russia)

3. Fide Grand-Prix 2014/2015 - The two (2) top players from the Fide Grand-Prix 2014/2015 qualify to participate.
Fabiano Caruana (USA)
Hikaru Nakamura (USA)

4. Average Fide Rating List of the 12 monthly lists starting from 1st January 2015 to 1st December 2015 - Two (2)
Veselin Topalov (Bulgaria)
Anish Giri (Netherlands)

5. One nominated player by the Organiser - A player, nominated by the organiser, with a rating of at least 2725 in the Fide rating list of 1st July 2015. - Levon Aronian (Armenia)

Replacements - If any replacement is needed due to withdrawal or refusal of participation, the first reserve player from the final standings of the Fide Grand-Prix 2014/2015 will be invited. Any futher replacement needed will be fulfilled from the average rating list described above.

News Source: www.chessfiles.com/chessfiles-blog/2016-world-chess-championship-candidates-tournament

Agent Smith
24-01-2016, 05:33 PM
Surely we need an "Anyone but Vishy" option ? :)

Kevin Bonham
24-01-2016, 07:20 PM
Does the poll mean who do you think will win, or who do you want to win?

Wallay
24-01-2016, 11:00 PM
Does the poll mean who do you think will win, or who do you want to win?

The poll is for who you think is most likely to win

Wallay
24-01-2016, 11:05 PM
Surely we need an "Anyone but Vishy" option ? :)


LOL might be time to give room for the next gen

Sir Cromulent Sparkles
24-01-2016, 11:25 PM
Yasser Seirawan

Adamski
24-01-2016, 11:35 PM
Go dark horse Lev!

MichaelBaron
24-01-2016, 11:51 PM
Karuana i guess

ER
25-01-2016, 12:39 AM
Not that I criticise the selection process, in fact I consider it fair, but not seeing Sasha and Big Vlad in any serious competition is a big let down for me. I tip Svidler anyway!

Ian Rout
25-01-2016, 08:49 AM
Does the poll mean who do you think will win, or who do you want to win?


The poll is for who you think is most likely to win

It's maybe a bit early to think about that, but on the other hand a poll of who you would like to see win might be interesting.

Wallay
25-01-2016, 12:19 PM
It's maybe a bit early to think about that, but on the other hand a poll of who you would like to see win might be interesting.

Too early? The tournament is just over a month away. 10th of March to be precise.

Wallay
25-01-2016, 12:20 PM
Yasser Seirawan

You might need to conduct your own candidates tourney

Ian Rout
25-01-2016, 04:06 PM
Too early? The tournament is just over a month away. 10th of March to be precise.
Yes I know. About 45 days. No harm in having the poll up now for people who have already decided, but that's about a third of a lifetime in bulletin board years.

Sir Cromulent Sparkles
25-01-2016, 05:21 PM
You might need to conduct your own candidates tourney

You did say that it was time to give room to the next generation. Im sure you would agree that Seirawan is from the next oldest generation. :D

Carl Gorka
25-01-2016, 10:02 PM
Car Jacking :D

phyrexianrook
12-02-2016, 03:27 PM
For all those who are interested

http://www.fide.com/component/content/article/1-fide-news/9421-candidates-tournament-2016-pairings.html


Round 1 on 2016/03/11 at 14.00

SNo. Name Rtg Res. Name Rtg SNo.
1 GM Karjakin Sergey 2769 - GM Svidler Peter 2751 8
2 GM Nakamura Hikaru 2787 - GM Caruana Fabiano 2787 7
3 GM Giri Anish 2798 - GM Aronian Levon 2792 6
4 GM Anand Vishy 2784 - GM Topalov Veselin 2780 5

Round 2 on 2016/03/12 at 14.00

SNo. Name Rtg Res. Name Rtg SNo.
8 GM Svidler Peter 2751 - GM Topalov Veselin 2780 5
6 GM Aronian Levon 2792 - GM Anand Vishy 2784 4
7 GM Caruana Fabiano 2787 - GM Giri Anish 2798 3
1 GM Karjakin Sergey 2769 - GM Nakamura Hikaru 2787 2

Round 3 on 2016/03/13 at 14.00

SNo. Name Rtg Res. Name Rtg SNo.
2 GM Nakamura Hikaru 2787 - GM Svidler Peter 2751 8
3 GM Giri Anish 2798 - GM Karjakin Sergey 2769 1
4 GM Anand Vishy 2784 - GM Caruana Fabiano 2787 7
5 GM Topalov Veselin 2780 - GM Aronian Levon 2792 6

Round 4 on 2016/03/15 at 14.00

SNo. Name Rtg Res. Name Rtg SNo.
8 GM Svidler Peter 2751 - GM Aronian Levon 2792 6
7 GM Caruana Fabiano 2787 - GM Topalov Veselin 2780 5
1 GM Karjakin Sergey 2769 - GM Anand Vishy 2784 4
2 GM Nakamura Hikaru 2787 - GM Giri Anish 2798 3

Round 5 on 2016/03/16 at 14.00

SNo. Name Rtg Res. Name Rtg SNo.
3 GM Giri Anish 2798 - GM Svidler Peter 2751 8
4 GM Anand Vishy 2784 - GM Nakamura Hikaru 2787 2
5 GM Topalov Veselin 2780 - GM Karjakin Sergey 2769 1
6 GM Aronian Levon 2792 - GM Caruana Fabiano 2787 7

Round 6 on 2016/03/17 at 14.00

SNo. Name Rtg Res. Name Rtg SNo.
4 GM Anand Vishy 2784 - GM Svidler Peter 2751 8
5 GM Topalov Veselin 2780 - GM Giri Anish 2798 3
6 GM Aronian Levon 2792 - GM Nakamura Hikaru 2787 2
7 GM Caruana Fabiano 2787 - GM Karjakin Sergey 2769 1

Round 7 on 2016/03/19 at 14.00

SNo. Name Rtg Res. Name Rtg SNo.
8 GM Svidler Peter 2751 - GM Caruana Fabiano 2787 7
1 GM Karjakin Sergey 2769 - GM Aronian Levon 2792 6
2 GM Nakamura Hikaru 2787 - GM Topalov Veselin 2780 5
3 GM Giri Anish 2798 - GM Anand Vishy 2784 4

Round 8 on 2016/03/20 at 14.00

SNo. Name Rtg Res. Name Rtg SNo.
8 GM Svidler Peter 2751 - GM Karjakin Sergey 2769 1
7 GM Caruana Fabiano 2787 - GM Nakamura Hikaru 2787 2
6 GM Aronian Levon 2792 - GM Giri Anish 2798 3
5 GM Topalov Veselin 2780 - GM Anand Vishy 2784 4

Round 9 on 2016/03/21 at 14.00

SNo. Name Rtg Res. Name Rtg SNo.
5 GM Topalov Veselin 2780 - GM Svidler Peter 2751 8
4 GM Anand Vishy 2784 - GM Aronian Levon 2792 6
3 GM Giri Anish 2798 - GM Caruana Fabiano 2787 7
2 GM Nakamura Hikaru 2787 - GM Karjakin Sergey 2769 1

Round 10 on 2016/03/23 at 14.00

SNo. Name Rtg Res. Name Rtg SNo.
8 GM Svidler Peter 2751 - GM Nakamura Hikaru 2787 2
1 GM Karjakin Sergey 2769 - GM Giri Anish 2798 3
7 GM Caruana Fabiano 2787 - GM Anand Vishy 2784 4
6 GM Aronian Levon 2792 - GM Topalov Veselin 2780 5

Round 11 on 2016/03/24 at 14.00

SNo. Name Rtg Res. Name Rtg SNo.
6 GM Aronian Levon 2792 - GM Svidler Peter 2751 8
5 GM Topalov Veselin 2780 - GM Caruana Fabiano 2787 7
4 GM Anand Vishy 2784 - GM Karjakin Sergey 2769 1
3 GM Giri Anish 2798 - GM Nakamura Hikaru 2787 2

Round 12 on 2016/03/25 at 14.00

SNo. Name Rtg Res. Name Rtg SNo.
8 GM Svidler Peter 2751 - GM Giri Anish 2798 3
2 GM Nakamura Hikaru 2787 - GM Anand Vishy 2784 4
1 GM Karjakin Sergey 2769 - GM Topalov Veselin 2780 5
7 GM Caruana Fabiano 2787 - GM Aronian Levon 2792 6

Round 13 on 2016/03/27 at 14.00

SNo. Name Rtg Res. Name Rtg SNo.
7 GM Caruana Fabiano 2787 - GM Svidler Peter 2751 8
6 GM Aronian Levon 2792 - GM Karjakin Sergey 2769 1
5 GM Topalov Veselin 2780 - GM Nakamura Hikaru 2787 2
4 GM Anand Vishy 2784 - GM Giri Anish 2798 3

Round 14 on 2016/03/28 at 14.00

SNo. Name Rtg Res. Name Rtg SNo.
8 GM Svidler Peter 2751 - GM Anand Vishy 2784 4
3 GM Giri Anish 2798 - GM Topalov Veselin 2780 5
2 GM Nakamura Hikaru 2787 - GM Aronian Levon 2792 6
1 GM Karjakin Sergey 2769 - GM Caruana Fabiano 2787 7

Agent Smith
20-02-2016, 09:40 AM
Vishy smashed Lev in Zurich first round

[Event "5th Zurich CC 2016"]
[Site "Zurich SUI"]
[Date "2016.02.13"]
[Round "1.3"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Aronian, Levon"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2784"]
[BlackElo "2792"]
[ECO "C48"]
[EventDate "2016.02.13"]
[WhiteTitle "GM"]
[BlackTitle "GM"]
[Opening "Four knights"]
[Variation "Spanish variation"]
[WhiteFideId "5000017"]
[BlackFideId "13300474"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. Nc3 Bd6 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Re8 7. a3 h6 8. Bc4 Bc5 9. Be3 Bxe3 10. fxe3 d6 11. Nh4 Be6 12. Nf5 Bxc4 13. dxc4 Kh7 14. Qf3 Nb8 15. Nxh6 Kxh6 16. Qh3+ Kg6 17. Rf3 Nh5 18. Rf5 Nf6 19. Qh4 1-0

Kevin Bonham
09-03-2016, 08:30 PM
Looks like games start 10 pm Aus daylight savings time.

I've set the poll to close after round 1; it has been up long enough.

ER
09-03-2016, 08:47 PM
someone told me that punters can now bet on horses even after the race has started. Is that correct?

Kevin Bonham
09-03-2016, 09:09 PM
someone told me that punters can now bet on horses even after the race has started. Is that correct?

We've quite often had polls going two or three days into a tournament. Quite often those who bet after the gun has fired shoot themselves in the foot by just picking whoever won in the first round.

This one originally had no closing time; I'm open to closing it before the start if enough people wish.

ER
10-03-2016, 07:37 AM
...
This one originally had no closing time; I'm open to closing it before the start if enough people wish.

LOL it's OK, my previous had nothing to do with the tipping deadlines of this poll. Just that my friend Zoltan - a races and racing bet fanatic - was complaining the other day
that some new system that allows punters to place bets even after the race has started is unfair to those with no online access.
Considering that Zoltan is a person who loves to take the Mickey and was slightly intoxicated when protested about what he called blatant favouritism, I just wanted to make sure! :)

ER
10-03-2016, 07:40 AM
Meanwhile, Agon Limited, the commercial partner of the World Chess Federation, or FIDE, which has the exclusive right to organize World Championship events, announced that the upcoming Candidates tournament will only be broadcast on this site — World Chess — which is owned by Agon.

More here:

http://worldchess.com/2016/03/06/and-now-for-a-word-from-our-sponsor/

Garvinator
10-03-2016, 09:53 AM
Close the poll at the start of the first round.

Ian Rout
10-03-2016, 03:34 PM
Just that my friend Zoltan - a races and racing bet fanatic - was complaining the other day
that some new system that allows punters to place bets even after the race has started is unfair to those with no online access.
! :)I would imagine that if somebody didn't have internet access then not being able to make bets on horse races would be the least of their problems. It might even save them a bit of money.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand I just voted for Caruana, for really good reasons which I don't have time to explain at the moment.

Kevin Bonham
10-03-2016, 04:49 PM
Meanwhile, Agon Limited, the commercial partner of the World Chess Federation, or FIDE, which has the exclusive right to organize World Championship events, announced that the upcoming Candidates tournament will only be broadcast on this site — World Chess — which is owned by Agon.

There has been a lot of scorn about this, especially from sites that have the personnel resources to simply take the feed, copy moves manually and pretend they found them somewhere else.

The natural sequel to this would be that everyone does indeed try to get on the Agon site as they wish, and that it overloads and crashes.

Leonid Sandler
10-03-2016, 06:20 PM
Experts opinion can be seen http://chess-news.ru/node/21140

Kevin Bonham
10-03-2016, 09:41 PM
Close the poll at the start of the first round.

I won't be online then; perhaps another mod can do so. I could set it to auto-close tomorrow night but that would be at about 6:30 pm.

Kevin Bonham
10-03-2016, 09:42 PM
Experts opinion can be seen http://chess-news.ru/node/21140

I agree with you about the "confessional" thing. They shouldn't be distracting players in such an important event with such gimmicks.

Kaitlin
10-03-2016, 09:55 PM
http://www.chessdom.com/journalists-in-moscow-in-limbo-at-the-day-of-the-opening-ceremony-of-the-candidates/

If it was just a delay like in the Women's where there is an agreed half an hour delay before anything is broadcast then the two hours proposed here is nothing... as I think Ian said in he's article and Kevin rephrased in a post, we can just pretend the games start at that time. But I think the Candidates is brewing to be something much more sinister.

ER
11-03-2016, 02:02 AM
Meanwhile, Agon Limited, the commercial partner of the World Chess Federation, or FIDE, which has the exclusive right to organize World Championship events, announced that the upcoming Candidates tournament will only be broadcast on this site — World Chess — which is owned by Agon.

More here:

http://worldchess.com/2016/03/06/and-now-for-a-word-from-our-sponsor/


However, could Chess24's following article be interpreted as an indication that they will also cover the event?

https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/candidates-2016/1/1/1

Also Chess24 is publishing an illustrated History of Candidates in parts

https://chess24.com/en/read/news/the-history-of-the-candidates-part-1

Agent Smith
11-03-2016, 06:09 AM
Yes, you'd imagine other sites will have the game live, or nearly live.
It's a bit draconian to stop people relaying the moves.

Ian Rout
11-03-2016, 09:05 AM
The bookies generally seem to have Nakamura a slight favourite though the odds could be skewed by him being a fan favourite. Caruana is a close second with Aronian and Giri a little further back.

There are numerous links for those so inclined. I notice one agency (so probably most others) offering odds on the first move and whether a pawn will be queened so opportunities for spot fixing there - it says literally "queened" rather than "promoted" so unclear if they pay out on underpromotion.

Kaitlin
11-03-2016, 10:04 AM
I wonder if the numerous links will get the moves first ?

Altecman
11-03-2016, 11:36 AM
Agon's website is underwhelming, and basically all the comments in response to the opening ceremony coverage on their website is overwhelmingly negative. (http://worldchess.com/2016/03/10/see-the-opening-ceremony-of-the-world-chess-candidates-tournament-live/)
I hope websites such as chess24 will be able to get live games and commentary, because I am not enthusiastic about Agon's ability to get quality coverage. It'll likely be only in Russian, or the English commentary done by a Russian with a heavy accent making it difficult to understand in any event.

MichaelBaron
11-03-2016, 12:02 PM
Agon's website is underwhelming, and basically all the comments in response to the opening ceremony coverage on their website is overwhelmingly negative. (http://worldchess.com/2016/03/10/see-the-opening-ceremony-of-the-world-chess-candidates-tournament-live/)
I hope websites such as chess24 will be able to get live games and commentary, because I am not enthusiastic about Agon's ability to get quality coverage. It'll likely be only in Russian, or the English commentary done by a Russian with a heavy accent making it difficult to understand in any event.

I am surprised that some people still feel that Agon (just like the Fide Online playing zone that even distributes some kind of weird titles) is still around. It is transparent by now that Agon is nothing but a money-laundering machine

ER
11-03-2016, 09:32 PM
... It'll likely be only in Russian, or the English commentary done by a Russian with a heavy accent making it difficult to understand in any event.
Matches held in Moscow and having Russian commentators? Unheard of!!! what's this world coming to? Could you imagine a Cricket World Cup series held in Sydney with some Australian commentating!!! God forbid! :P :)

Agent Smith
11-03-2016, 09:35 PM
As penance for all the Ruski links the Barron has posted, he should supply a live translation in the shout box.

Kaitlin
11-03-2016, 09:38 PM
Mine and Wallay's pick in the poll... Anish. .... is equal second in a computer analysis to win :)

http://en.chessbase.com/post/computer-simulates-and-predicts-candidates-winner

ER
11-03-2016, 10:27 PM
Well, I have to admit Agon's picture is brilliant. In fact I have never seen such clarity and crispy images in similar events before. The commentary is simply non existent. Some moves are presented on the boards and then disappear. Some aimless discussion on chess philosophy and the importance of the event, the psychological condition of the players, and that's about all. No analysis at all in the opening stage. To be fair I have visitors here and chess is not exactly my first priority. I just described what i saw in 3-4 minutes I spent online! Bye for now!

Altecman
12-03-2016, 01:11 AM
Matches held in Moscow and having Russian commentators? Unheard of!!! what's this world coming to? Could you imagine a Cricket World Cup series held in Sydney with some Australian commentating!!! God forbid! :P :)

Elliott, websites like chess24 provide broadcasting for many different languages, and the English commentary is done by someone with an English accent. So the fact that it is in Moscow is irrelevant if the broadcasting is allowed on third party websites. That is the point I was trying to make, it has nothing to do with geography.

ER
12-03-2016, 07:31 AM
... That is the point I was trying to make, it has nothing to do with geography. Linguistics maybe? :) :P Altecman, as denoted by the emoticons after this and my previous
comment, the tome of was of a jocular rather than an argumentative form! See you later today at Ballarat and good luck with your DGT coverage! (I am sure that it will be impeccable as usual!) Cheers! ;)

Thebes
12-03-2016, 09:27 AM
Also first day and their website was DDOSed.

MichaelBaron
12-03-2016, 11:12 AM
It is obvious that just cause it is held in a non-English speaking country, they could still easily arrange English-language commentary. Furthermore, when looking at the photos from the opening ceremony, I could recognize some well-known commentators who have been doing commentary at various events in the past. Therefore, it is nothing but an obvious show of non-professionalism

Kevin Bonham
14-03-2016, 09:40 PM
Topalov could be the fish at this table. After losing with white to Aronian he's on 0.5/3. Nakamura nearly joined him but had a dicey save a pawn down vs Svidler.

I doubt I'll be watching the webcast for a few days - my internet is afflicted by the Basslink-related shemozzle in Tasmania.

Desmond
15-03-2016, 07:08 PM
Topalov could be the fish at this table. After losing with white to Aronian he's on 0.5/3. Nakamura nearly joined him but had a dicey save a pawn down vs Svidler.

I doubt I'll be watching the webcast for a few days - my internet is afflicted by the Basslink-related shemozzle in Tasmania.IM Daniel Rensch (https://www.chess.com/video/player/chess-candidates-tournament-2016-round-1-games-analyzed)'s videos are handy if you want to catchup in half an hour.

EDIT: This is the main page with links to each round's video: https://www.chess.com/article/view/2016-candidates-tournament-free-analysis-video-guide

Kevin Bonham
16-03-2016, 06:16 AM
Internet worked OK last night. Seems to improve between about midnight and 6 am.

Fine win by Karjakin over Anand. (I did take Karjakin's chances here seriously because I feel that he flies under the radar in terms of rating, but still his win over Svidler in the WC final was such a mess that it didn't speak too well of his prospects.)

Caruana - Topalov, hmmm, not so fine! Caruana stuffs up on move 41 and draws from a piece up!

http://en.chessbase.com/post/candidates-r04-karjakin-beats-anand

Adamski
16-03-2016, 09:51 AM
Wow. My dark horse pick Sergey K. is actually leading at this stage.

MichaelBaron
16-03-2016, 10:31 AM
Topalov was heading towards his 3d bagel when he miraculously escaped with a draw

Agent Smith
16-03-2016, 04:59 PM
Why oh why didn't Caruana eliminate the rook on 41 !.
Nasty blunder doesn't give me much confidence in him now.

Kevin Bonham
16-03-2016, 10:02 PM
The official site looks really nice to me but it is just disappointingly spartan in its provision of information. For instance last night there was no move list (though there is one tonight), and nor can I find a way to monitor their computer evaluation trajectory through the game. It feels a bit like someone's IT art project work in progress.

MichaelBaron
17-03-2016, 09:54 AM
Extremely boring event to follow so far.

Adamski
17-03-2016, 11:18 AM
All drawn so Karjakin still leads. Yes, hopefully Michael the next round is more exciting.

Kevin Bonham
17-03-2016, 11:35 PM
Yay for Topalov 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.h4.

Kevin Bonham
18-03-2016, 01:00 AM
Svidler had been having some good games but he's just been hacked by Anand in 24 moves.

ER
18-03-2016, 12:28 PM
Naka loses to Levon due to "touch move" rule! He was told off by Levon too for trying the "j'adoube!" way out trick after he had touched the King! ( "touched the King" is the understatement of the year - he actually held His Majesty for at least one second" before he placed the King back to His original square and making the "wait" gesture to his opponent)!

Desmond
18-03-2016, 01:36 PM
Hopeully Topalov plays h4 earlier next game. 1.h4!

ER
18-03-2016, 02:03 PM
or prepare it with 1.g3 first?

Desmond
18-03-2016, 02:52 PM
or prepare it with 1.g3 first?I think the best way to prepare for 1.h4 is playing bullet all night :D

ER
19-03-2016, 09:01 PM
I think the best way to prepare for 1.h4 is playing bullet all night :D

and 1.a4 in the early hours of the morning? :D

MichaelBaron
20-03-2016, 08:45 AM
Shows the importance of luck in the right place at the right time. Karjakin was worse again as white out of the opening but drew. On the other hand, Svidler was winning all along...but in the end drew as well.

Kevin Bonham
20-03-2016, 02:05 PM
Standings after the first half:

4.5 (+2): Karjakin, Aronian
4 (+1): Anand
3.5 (=): Caruana, Giri
3 (-1): Svidler, Nakamura
2 (-3): Topalov

Caruana and Giri have so far each drawn every game! 75% of games so far have been draws.

ChesSOS
20-03-2016, 06:24 PM
Nakamura comments on the touch move incident.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmDXMKTgZHE

ER
20-03-2016, 07:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puRR65UUKAs

OK Nakamure touched the King. What about the arbiter touching Nakamura at 0.20?
What do the rules say about that?

Kevin Bonham
20-03-2016, 07:33 PM
I want to know what Nakamura said to Aronian that had Aronian shaking his head! Nakamura shouldn't have been talking to his opponent in such a situation; he should have stopped the clock if he needed a ruling. It would qualify as a distraction if the position had not become so obviously winning as a result of the touchmove blunder. Was he actually trying to get Aronian to let him off?

There's no rule against an arbiter giving a player a friendly touch on the arm but perhaps if it involved an opposite-gender player/arbiter combination it wouldn't be viewed so well.

Thebes
20-03-2016, 08:47 PM
Nakamura said that it was Aronian who said personal stuff. Interesting to see what Aronian would say.

ER
20-03-2016, 09:39 PM
I want to know what Nakamura said to Aronian that had Aronian shaking his head! Nakamura shouldn't have been talking to his opponent in such a situation; he should have stopped the clock if he needed a ruling. It would qualify as a distraction if the position had not become so obviously winning as a result of the touchmove blunder. Was he actually trying to get Aronian to let him off?

There's no rule against an arbiter giving a player a friendly touch on the arm but perhaps if it involved an opposite-gender player/arbiter combination it wouldn't be viewed so well.


Of what I heard the sequence was:

Nakamura touches the King then puts it down saying "I adjust!"
while making a "wait" gesture to Aronian.
Aronian, says "are you serious? what are you doing?" shaking his head in disbelief!
Nakamura says "what?"
Aronian, replies with a short verbal barrage including a couple of allegedly explicit words
then explains to the arbiter his side of the story and leaves the table.
Arbiter tells Nakamura that he has to play the King.
Nakamura visibly upset ponders for a while then moves the King.
After the end of the game the players did not shake hands.
Nakamura did not appear in the press conference. He allegedly gets fined 10% of his payment.
Next day after talking about his win versus Topalov he claims that he has no issue about the touch move ruling.
However, he mentions that Aronian "got personal" in the words he used while play was on.
You can hear Nakamura's statements in the video posted by ChesSOS (post #79)

Kevin Bonham
20-03-2016, 11:16 PM
Thanks Elliott. If Nak tried to j'adoube his way out of trouble then what does he expect?

Arbiter may be IA Werner Stubenvoll. Certainly looks like him.

Kevin Bonham
21-03-2016, 01:20 AM
Another deficit in the broadcast is not displaying the seconds for time remaining.

Kevin Bonham
21-03-2016, 09:18 AM
Caruana beats Nakamura meaning Nakamura is two points off the lead with six to go. With the high percentage of draws that will be very hard to recover from.

MichaelBaron
21-03-2016, 09:39 AM
Incredible luck by Karjakin. Today, he was lost once again!

Kaitlin
21-03-2016, 07:46 PM
Carl, Kuan, Adamski, Gino and machmortensen look like the only ones with a chance to win the guessing compitition. I don't think Anish is going to get out of draw mode :( .

Agent Smith
21-03-2016, 09:57 PM
Giri and Caruana aren't out of it yet.
But we're gonna to string the Garvinator up a tree if Vishy wins again.

Desmond
22-03-2016, 06:35 AM
Oh dear it won't be Anand will it?

Kevin Bonham
22-03-2016, 08:29 AM
I was going to vote for Anand just as a joke but Garvin beat me to it.

Garvinator
22-03-2016, 10:04 AM
I was going to vote for Anand just as a joke but Garvin beat me to it.
My vote is a legit one as believed before the start of the event that Anand was the best chance to win with this field. If he does go on to win the event, and I am the only to pick him, makes it even sweeter. How much so many people will dislike the prospect of a Carlsen-Anand rematch makes it even more entertaining. I think that rematch might be more interesting. But has to get there first.

Desmond
22-03-2016, 10:24 AM
If you're not prepared, just bluff!



The folllowing back-and-forth from the press conference needs to be included in full:
Giri: “I was hoping for a complicated game, and I managed that. But Fabiano seemed very well prepared.”
Caruana: “I moved quickly but that doesn't mean I was well prepared!”
Giri: “You did a Levon to me! You're prepared to a certain point and then you just kept on blitzing!”
Caruana: “The computer says that White is winning but I thought it was quite difficult to play.”
Giri: “You seemed prepared so I thought there should be something for you.”
Caruana: “Nah, there's probably nothing. It's just not a good position.”
Giri: “It gets worse and worse. First some guy is bluffing me and then the other guy is playing a losing line. People lose respect!”

https://www.chess.com/news/anand-beats-aronian-catches-karjakin-in-moscow-leaderboard-5187

:lol:

MichaelBaron
23-03-2016, 10:34 AM
Now to the talk of the chess forums is whether Giri will end up drawing all 14 of his games or not. Also, whether Aronian is as arrigant as Naka or its just Naka. Last but not least, what if Anand wins and plays Carlsen again.

Kaitlin
23-03-2016, 11:12 AM
FIDE said if Vishy wins then second place will get to play Magnus. ... cause they already know Magnus is better than Vishy ..... :uhoh: ..... rofl

Desmond
23-03-2016, 01:48 PM
Now to the talk of the chess forums is whether Giri will end up drawing all 14 of his games or not. Also, whether Aronian is as arrigant as Naka or its just Naka. Last but not least, what if Anand wins and plays Carlsen again.Giri seems most arrogant to me, constantly talks over anyone else in the press conference

Thebes
23-03-2016, 02:12 PM
Giri seems most arrogant to me, constantly talks over anyone else in the press conference

To be fair unless theyre good friends, they usually always do that. It's usually whoever has the laptop infront of them
In the Nakamura, Karjakin conference, Karjakin barely spoke at all.

Kevin Bonham
23-03-2016, 10:37 PM
English Four Knights on three boards tonight.

Agent Smith
24-03-2016, 05:41 AM
Caruana beats Anand

FIDE Candidates 2016
Moscow RUS, 2016.03.11 - 2016.03.23
Average Rating: 2777 (Category 22)
Rtng Age Nat Score Ca Ka An Ar Gi Sv Na To Perf Chg
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1: Caruana, F 2794 24 ITA 6.0 / 10 XX =. =1 =. == =. =1 =. 2849 +7
2: Karjakin, Sergey 2760 26 RUS 6.0 / 10 =. XX 1. =. == == 1= =. 2852 +13
3: Anand, V 2762 25 IND 5.5 / 10 =0 0. XX =1 =. 1. =. 1= 2818 +8
4: Aronian, L 2786 34 ARM 5.5 / 10 =. =. =0 XX == =. 1. 1= 2813 +3
5: Giri, A 2793 19 IND 5.0 / 10 == == =. == XX =. =. =. 2776 -3
6: Svidler, P 2757 40 RUS 4.5 / 10 =. == 0. =. =. XX == == 2743 -1
7: Nakamura, Hi 2790 29 USA 4.0 / 10 =0 0= =. 0. =. == XX 1. 2702 -13
8: Topalov, V 2780 41 BUL 3.5 / 10 =. =. 0= 0= =. == 0. XX 2664 -16
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
40 games: +9 -1 =30
[Event "FIDE Candidates 2016"]
[Site "Moscow RUS"]
[Date "2016.03.23"]
[Round "10"]
[White "Caruana, F"]
[Black "Anand, V"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2794"]
[BlackElo "2762"]
[ECO "A29"]
[EventDate "2016.03.10"]
[Annotator "Critter 1.6a 64-bit"]
[Depth "16"]

1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. g3 Bb4 5. Bg2 O-O 6. O-O e4 7. Ng5 Bxc3 8. bxc3 Re8 9. f3 exf3 {[%eval +0.03] Move out of book (gm2600: e3 100%)} 10. Nxf3 {[%eval +0.05]} 10. ... d5 {[%eval +0.09]} 11. d4 {[%eval +0.07]} 11. ... dxc4 {[%eval +0.29]} 12. Qc2 {[%eval -0.19]} 12. ... h6 {[%eval -0.11]} 13. Bf4 {[%eval -0.15]} 13. ... Ne4 {[%eval +0.02]} 14. Rad1 {[%eval +0.00]} 14. ... Bf5 {[%eval -0.03]} 15. Ne5 {[%eval +0.04]} 15. ... Nd6 {[%eval +0.06]} 16. e4 {[%eval +0.06]} 16. ... Bh7 {[%eval +0.14]} 17. Qe2 {[%eval +0.14]} 17. ... Ne7 {[%eval +0.42]} 18. Bxh6 {[%eval +0.41]} 18. ... gxh6 {[%eval +0.37]} 19. Qh5 {[%eval +0.33]} 19. ... Nef5 {[%eval +0.37]} 20. exf5 {[%eval +0.42]} 20. ... Qg5 {[%eval +0.31]} 21. Qxg5+ {[%eval +0.27]} 21. ... hxg5 {[%eval +0.31]} 22. f6 {[%eval +0.34]} 22. ... Ne4 {[%eval +0.86]} 23. Rfe1 {[%eval +0.58]} 23. ... Nxc3 {[%eval +1.44]} 24. Rc1 {[%eval +1.44]} 24. ... Nb5 {[%eval +1.44]} 25. Bxb7 {[%eval +1.53]} 25. ... Rad8 {[%eval +1.73]} 26. Bc6 {[%eval +1.66]} 26. ... Nxd4 {[%eval +1.68]} 27. Bxe8 {[%eval +1.68]} 27. ... Rxe8 {[%eval +1.68]} 28. Kf2 {[%eval +1.68]} 28. ... Nc2 {[%eval +1.73]} 29. Red1 {[%eval +1.73]} 29. ... Be4 {[%eval +1.67]} 30. Nxc4 {[%eval +1.74]} 30. ... Re6 {[%eval +1.84]} 31. Rd8+ {[%eval +1.78]} 31. ... Kh7 {[%eval +1.78]} 32. Kg1 {[%eval +1.81]} 32. ... Rxf6 {[%eval +2.07]} 33. Rf1 {[%eval +1.93]}
( 33. Rf1 { 16:+1.93} 33. ... Rxf1+ 34. Kxf1 c6 35. Nd6 Bd5 36. Ra8 Bxa2 37. Rxa7 Bd5 38. Nxf7 Kg6 39. Nd6 Nd4 40. Kf2 g4 41. Ra4 c5 42. Ra5 Nb3 43. Rb5 Kf6 44. Ke3 Ke5 )
1-0

Desmond
24-03-2016, 07:03 AM
Caruana beats Anand

FIDE Candidates 2016
Moscow RUS, 2016.03.11 - 2016.03.23
Average Rating: 2777 (Category 22)
Rtng Age Nat Score Ca Ka An Ar Gi Sv Na To Perf Chg
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1: Caruana, F 2794 24 ITA 6.0 / 10 XX =. =1 =. == =. =1 =. 2849 +7
2: Karjakin, Sergey 2760 26 RUS 6.0 / 10 =. XX 1. =. == == 1= =. 2852 +13
3: Anand, V 2762 25 IND 5.5 / 10 =0 0. XX =1 =. 1. =. 1= 2818 +8
4: Aronian, L 2786 34 ARM 5.5 / 10 =. =. =0 XX == =. 1. 1= 2813 +3
5: Giri, A 2793 19 IND 5.0 / 10 == == =. == XX =. =. =. 2776 -3
6: Svidler, P 2757 40 RUS 4.5 / 10 =. == 0. =. =. XX == == 2743 -1
7: Nakamura, Hi 2790 29 USA 4.0 / 10 =0 0= =. 0. =. == XX 1. 2702 -13
8: Topalov, V 2780 41 BUL 3.5 / 10 =. =. 0= 0= =. == 0. XX 2664 -16
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
40 games: +9 -1 =30
Anand isn't 25. But thankfully not leading either.

Kaitlin
24-03-2016, 07:35 AM
FIDE isn't worried about details .... stop being picky :rolleyes:

though it's surprising they didn't spell Peter's name out in full :confused: , how could they miss that!

Agent Smith
24-03-2016, 05:19 PM
Guilty.

It takes a lot of guts to sacrifice a piece against Anand.
23. ... Nxc3 was an ill-conceived pawn pinch.
I wonder if/how Vishy missed 25. Bxb7. It's just winning.

[Event "FIDE Candidates 2016"]
[Site "Moscow RUS"]
[Date "2016.03.23"]
[Round "10"]
[White "Caruana, Fabiano"]
[Black "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2794"]
[BlackElo "2762"]
[ECO "A29"]
[EventDate "2016.03.10"]

1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. g3 Bb4 5. Bg2 O-O 6. O-O e4 7. Ng5 Bxc3 8. bxc3 Re8 9. f3 exf3 10. Nxf3 d5 11. d4 dxc4 12. Qc2 h6 13. Bf4 Ne4 14. Rad1 Bf5 15. Ne5 Nd6 16. e4 Bh7 17. Qe2 Ne7 18. Bxh6 gxh6 19. Qh5 Nef5 20. exf5 Qg5 21. Qxg5+ hxg5 22. f6 Ne4 23. Rfe1 Nxc3 24. Rc1 Nb5 25. Bxb7 Rad8 26. Bc6 Nxd4 27. Bxe8 Rxe8 28. Kf2 Nc2 29. Red1 Be4 30. Nxc4 Re6 31. Rd8+ Kh7 32. Kg1 Rxf6 33. Rf1 1-0

Desmond
24-03-2016, 11:13 PM
I wonder if/how Vishy missed 25. Bxb7. It's just winning.Not sure. He didn't say a word in the press conference, looking rather sulky.

Kaitlin
25-03-2016, 04:05 AM
Anish wins :) ..... finally....... actually I haven't checked yet, better just in case I'm still asleep.... rofl

Garrett
25-03-2016, 04:16 AM
Anish wins :) ..... finally....... actually I haven't checked yet, better just in case I'm still asleep.... rofl

Not on my screen !

Anand won, nice to see an old bloke do allright ....

Desmond
25-03-2016, 06:00 AM
He won the draw :lol:

Shame to see Karjakin lose. He's held some pretty dodgy positions but one too many today.

Qbert
25-03-2016, 07:28 AM
I think if Anand wins it will simply underline his greatness, in the same way that Karpov did in the decade after he lost the world championship.

Ian Rout
25-03-2016, 08:35 AM
I think if Anand wins it will simply underline his greatness, in the same way that Karpov did in the decade after he lost the world championship.

The odds are against Anand. He lost his "match" against Caruana so will lose a tie-break with him, and in the last three rounds he is left with two Blacks plus a White v Giri, while Caruana has two Whites. On the plus side Anand has won at least twice as many games as anyone else.

Qbert
25-03-2016, 08:47 AM
The odds are against Anand. He lost his "match" against Caruana so will lose a tie-break with him, and in the last three rounds he is left with two Blacks plus a White v Giri, while Caruana has two Whites. On the plus side Anand has won at least twice as many games as anyone else.
Looking at the last round games, I'd say colours are not that relevant. The results seem to be all over the place now that the pressure is on. Experience and nerves will be key and we know that Anand has done this several times before.

Garvinator
25-03-2016, 10:36 AM
Looking at the last round games, I'd say colours are not that relevant. The results seem to be all over the place now that the pressure is on. Experience and nerves will be key and we know that Anand has done this several times before.
I think Ian's view of the situation is pretty accurate. Especially now that round 11 has been played and the results have come in.


Round 11, Thursday 24 March 2016

Aronian Levon 0-1 Svidler Peter
Topalov Veselin ½-½ Caruana Fabiano
Anand Viswanathan 1-0 Karjakin Sergey
Giri Anish ½-½ Nakamura Hikaru

Caruana now has two whites in a row. Aronian is certainly out of it now, so it is now a three horse race. It is possible that Caruana, Anand and Karjakin all end up on the same score, where in that case, if I understand the tie break regs, it would be the combined head to head, so effectively a three player round robin between the three, which means Anand finishes third. This assumes a Caruana/Karjakin draw in the last round, and that would put Caruana half a point in front of Karjakin in the tie break.

So Caruana would advance.

So over the next three rounds, it seems that both Karjakin and Anand need to get half a point clear of Caruana. If somehow Karjakin and Anand finish equal first, then the second tie break is most wins, which goes to Anand.

MichaelBaron
25-03-2016, 11:31 AM
Anand - Karjakin is an excellent endgame to study

Kevin Bonham
26-03-2016, 03:37 PM
Two rounds to go:

7 (+2): Karjakin, Caruana
6.5 (+1): Anand
6.0 (=): Svidler, Giri, Aronian
5.5 (-1): Nakamura
4 (-4): Topalov

I think Nakamura is now eliminated from contention as while he can tie for first he can't win the tiebreak. Karjakin is currently ahead of Caruana. Caruana is white vs Svidler Sunday night and Karjakin black against Aronian. Karjakin-Caruana is in the final round.

Carl Gorka
26-03-2016, 10:20 PM
These tie breaks are crazy. Why aren't there play off's? (http://gorkachc.blogspot.com.au/2016/03/draws-and-tie-breaks.html)

My favourite, Karjakin, is leading because of tie breaks at the moment, but his play has generally been less convincing than Caruana's. Karjakin has saved some dead lost positions, and some bad ones, while Caruana has had trouble converting good positions.

I hope that some one wins the event outright so it doesn't come down to who won, and therefore also lost, the most games.

AzureBlue
26-03-2016, 11:44 PM
...The results seem to be all over the place now that the pressure is on.
Except for Giri... got to commend Giri on his consistency, he's quite the master of draws in this tournament with a 12 draw streak (perhaps make that 14 in another few days :P)! Hope Caruana wins the tourney, a Carlsen-Caruana match would be very exciting indeed!

MichaelBaron
27-03-2016, 03:03 AM
These tie breaks are crazy. Why aren't there play off's? (http://gorkachc.blogspot.com.au/2016/03/draws-and-tie-breaks.html)

My favourite, Karjakin, is leading because of tie breaks at the moment, but his play has generally been less convincing than Caruana's. Karjakin has saved some dead lost positions, and some bad ones, while Caruana has had trouble converting good positions.

I hope that some one wins the event outright so it doesn't come down to who won, and therefore also lost, the most games.

He keeps scraping but against Carlsen only Giri (the Drawing Master :)) and in particularly Caruana are likely to put up a fight.

Kevin Bonham
28-03-2016, 02:48 AM
Topalov now minus five. Bit of a shambles today, spent about 25 mins on move 11 then got a worse position which he couldn't defend.

Kevin Bonham
28-03-2016, 03:18 AM
Anand-Giri draw. One more to go for the new Peter Leko to collect the full set. :lol:

Kevin Bonham
28-03-2016, 09:58 AM
Caruana - Svidler. Svidler's 103rd blunders into a lost position then Caruana blunders back into a drawn position on 111. However while the position is "lost" for those moves, I don't think it's always the case that Caruana can force a capture prior to the 50-move rule. It seems it was the case right away but not later, does anyone have an engine that can do a proper version of this 50-move rule analysis?

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.d3 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.a4 Bd7 9.c3 0-0 10.Bc2 b4 11.Re1 Re8 12.Nbd2 Bf8 13.a5 g6 14.Bb3 Be6 15.Ba4 Bd7 16.Nf1 h6 17.Ng3 bxc3 18.bxc3 Bg7 19.h3 d5 20.exd5 Nxd5 21.Ne4 Nb8 22.Bb3 Be6 23.Bd2 Nd7 24.Ba4 f5 25.Ng3 c5 26.Bb3 Qc7 27.h4 N5f6 28.Bxe6+ Rxe6 29.h5 f4 30.Ne4 Nxh5 31.d4 Qc6 32.Qb3 c4 33.Qa4 Qd5 34.Rad1 Rae8 35.dxe5 Nxe5 36.Nxe5 Rxe5 37.Bxf4 Qb5 38.Qxb5 Rxb5 39.Bd6 Kh8 40.g4 Nf6 41.Nxf6 Rxe1+ 42.Rxe1 Bxf6 43.Re8+ Kg7 44.Bb4 Re5 45.Rc8 Re6 46.Rc7+ Kg8 47.Rxc4 h5 48.Kg2 Kf7 49.Rc5 hxg4 50.Rc7+ Ke8 51.Rc4 Kd7 52.Rxg4 Be5 53.c4 Bc7 54.Kf3 Rf6+ 55.Ke3 Re6+ 56.Kd3 Rf6 57.Ke3 Re6+ 58.Kd3 Rf6 59.Rg5 Rxf2 60.Rxg6 Rf3+ 61.Kc2 Rf5 62.Rxa6 Kc8 63.Kd3 Rh5 64.c5 Kb7 65.Rg6 Bxa5 66.Bxa5 Rxc5 67.Bb4 Rc6 68.Bd6 Kc8 69.Kd4 Rb6 70.Kd5 Rb7 71.Rg8+ Kd7 72.Bc5 Kc7 73.Rg6 Kd7 74.Rh6 Kc7 75.Rc6+ Kd7 76.Bb6 Ke8 77.Bd4 Kd7 78.Rd6+ Kc8 79.Ke6 Kc7 80.Ra6 Rb5 81.Ra1 Kc6 82.Rc1+ Kb7 83.Kd6 Ka6 84.Rc6+ Ka5 85.Bc5 Rb7 86.Kd5 Kb5 87.Bd6 Ka4 88.Ra6+ Kb5 89.Ra1 Kb6 90.Rc1 Kb5 91.Rc6 Ka4 92.Bc5 Kb5 93.Rd6 Ka4 94.Kc6 Rb8 95.Rd3 Rc8+ 96.Kd5 Rd8+ 97.Bd6 Rc8 98.Ra3+ Kb5 99.Rb3+ Ka4 100.Rb4+ Ka5 101.Bc5 Rh8 102.Rb7 Ka4 103.Kc4 Rh4+ 104.Bd4 Rh5 105.Bf2 Rg5 106.Rh7 Rg4+ 107.Bd4 Rg5 108.Rh8 Rb5 109.Ra8+ Ra5 110.Rb8 Rh5 111.Bf6 Ka5 112.Bc3+ Ka6 113.Bd4 Rh6 114.Be3 Re6 115.Rb3 Rc6+ 116.Kd5 1/2-1/2

Kevin Bonham
28-03-2016, 10:40 AM
Either Caruana or Karjakin will be the challenger.

Karjakin-Caruana and Svidler-Anand are the games that matter. If the former is a draw then Karjakin wins on tiebreak unless Anand wins his game, in which case Caruana wins the tiebreak. So until Svidler-Anand becomes clear, neither leader will know what a draw means. Furthermore Anand is the least exhausted of the four after round 13.

Desmond
28-03-2016, 04:50 PM
Topalov is now the only player on < 50%.

The stage couldn't have been set better with the 2 leaders meeting in the last round. Personally I'm hoping Caruana gets through but either way should make for an interesting match vs Carlsen.

Kaitlin
28-03-2016, 04:56 PM
So its..........

Carl Gorka and Kuan Vs The rest of the world

..... should be a interesting match up :eek:

Desmond
28-03-2016, 06:37 PM
These tie breaks are crazy. Why aren't there play off's? (http://gorkachc.blogspot.com.au/2016/03/draws-and-tie-breaks.html)

My favourite, Karjakin, is leading because of tie breaks at the moment, but his play has generally been less convincing than Caruana's. Karjakin has saved some dead lost positions, and some bad ones, while Caruana has had trouble converting good positions.

I hope that some one wins the event outright so it doesn't come down to who won, and therefore also lost, the most games.Normally I would agree - I never really understood the most losses tiebreak. But, perhaps in this case it has more sense than usually; you do have to beat the world champ to take his place.

Kevin Bonham
28-03-2016, 08:02 PM
But, perhaps in this case it has more sense than usually; you do have to beat the world champ to take his place.

Sort-of. If you draw with the world champ repeatedly (12 classical, 4 rapid and now 10 blitz) and are black in the Armageddon game, that will do it, so there is hope for Giri yet.

ER
28-03-2016, 09:48 PM
I would suggest that in the last round (starting in approximately 10 minutes actually) players should not be allowed to have knowledge of
the developments on other boards. This measure would eliminate misunderstandings. suspicions and accusations after the end of the event.
I am informed it's a cold (9° C it is cold for us but not for the Moscovites :) ) partly cloudy afternoon in Moscow and there was a queue of people outside the venue about an hour ago.
So, my friends decided to head for the Kartland, some pizza and then maybe pool rooms or bowling alley!

Kevin Bonham
28-03-2016, 09:58 PM
I would suggest that in the last round (starting in approximately 10 minutes actually) players should not be allowed to have knowledge of
the developments on other boards. This measure would eliminate misunderstandings. suspicions and accusations after the end of the event.

I think that the situation that would give rise to suspicion would be if a player could help his compatriot by throwing a game. In this case the reverse is true. But if throwing a game helped, then screening players from knowing what was going on might not necessarily stop it.

I think the fact that the players will need to assess someone else's game as well as their own increases the skill factor. Svidler could always help by playing something ridiculous.

Kevin Bonham
28-03-2016, 10:18 PM
Official site has wrong names on the boards in the online display for this round. Poor.

Kevin Bonham
29-03-2016, 01:23 AM
Svidler-Anand draw so now Caruana has to win, which he doesn't look like doing.

Kevin Bonham
29-03-2016, 02:00 AM
Caruana blunders and Karjakin wins outright!

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Qd2 a6 8.0-0-0 Bd7 9.f4 h6 10.Bh4 b5 11.Bxf6 gxf6 12.f5 Qb6 13.fxe6 fxe6 14.Nxc6 Qxc6 15.Bd3 h5 16.Kb1 b4 17.Ne2 Qc5 18.Rhf1 Bh6 19.Qe1 a5 20.b3 Rg8 21.g3 Ke7 22.Bc4 Be3 23.Rf3 Rg4 24.Qf1 Rf8 25.Nf4 Bxf4 26.Rxf4 a4 27.bxa4 Bxa4 28.Qd3 Bc6 29.Bb3 Rg5 30.e5 Rxe5 31.Rc4 Rd5 32.Qe2 Qb6 33.Rh4 Re5 34.Qd3 Bg2 35.Rd4 d5 36.Qd2 Re4 37.Rxd5 exd5 38.Qxd5 Qc7 39.Qf5 Rf7 40.Bxf7 Qe5 41.Rd7+ 1-0

Well done Carl and Kuan on picking the winner in the poll.

Agent Smith
29-03-2016, 06:03 AM
Great game :)
Russia will be chuffed to have a challenger.
Looking forward to a WCh with a new face.
Caruana could have stayed in the game keeping Q off f5 with 38. ... Rd4

Giri finished with all drawn

[Event "FIDE Candidates 2016"]
[Site "Moscow RUS"]
[Date "2016.03.28"]
[Round "14"]
[White "Karjakin, Sergey"]
[Black "Caruana, F"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2760"]
[BlackElo "2794"]
[ECO "B67"]
[EventDate "2016.03.10"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 a6 8. O-O-O Bd7 9. f4 h6 10. Bh4 b5 11. Bxf6 gxf6 12. f5 Qb6 13. fxe6 fxe6 14. Nxc6 Qxc6 15. Bd3 h5 16. Kb1 b4 17. Ne2 Qc5 18. Rhf1 Bh6 19. Qe1 a5 20. b3 Rg8 21. g3 Ke7 22. Bc4 Be3 23. Rf3 Rg4 24. Qf1 Rf8 25. Nf4 Bxf4 26. Rxf4 a4 27. bxa4 Bxa4 28. Qd3 Bc6 29. Bb3 Rg5 30. e5 Rxe5 31. Rc4 Rd5 32. Qe2 Qb6 33. Rh4 Re5 34. Qd3 Bg2 35. Rd4 d5 36. Qd2 Re4 37. Rxd5 exd5 38. Qxd5 Qc7
( 38. ... Rd4 39. Qxd4 Qxd4 40. Rxd4 Rb8 41. Bc4 Bh3 42. Kb2 Bf5 43. Kb3 Bg6 44. Rd2 Rb7 45. Rd1 Rb8 46. Re1+ Kd7 47. Rf1 Ke7 48. Rd1 Rb7 49. Bd5 Rc7 50. Re1+ Kd6 )
39. Qf5 Rf7 40. Bxf7 Qe5 41. Rd7+ Kf8 42. Rd8+ 1-0

Garvinator
29-03-2016, 09:13 AM
I think that the situation that would give rise to suspicion would be if a player could help his compatriot by throwing a game. In this case the reverse is true. But if throwing a game helped, then screening players from knowing what was going on might not necessarily stop it.It was similar claims in the 1960's by Bobby Fischer by the Russian's, that the Russians would take short draws against each other and play long games against him in each and every game, that changed the qualification system from the 1962 Curacao Round Robin System, to the match system which we all remember where Bobby went 6-0, 6-0 on his way to winning the 1972 world title.

And it is fondness for that system, like for like, match qualification for a match world championship, that I think is still the preferred format for todays format.

I do believe a proper qualification cycle could be run if fide could organise themselves properly, but that is a tough ask.

Adamski
29-03-2016, 09:23 AM
Caruana blunders and Karjakin wins outright!

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Qd2 a6 8.0-0-0 Bd7 9.f4 h6 10.Bh4 b5 11.Bxf6 gxf6 12.f5 Qb6 13.fxe6 fxe6 14.Nxc6 Qxc6 15.Bd3 h5 16.Kb1 b4 17.Ne2 Qc5 18.Rhf1 Bh6 19.Qe1 a5 20.b3 Rg8 21.g3 Ke7 22.Bc4 Be3 23.Rf3 Rg4 24.Qf1 Rf8 25.Nf4 Bxf4 26.Rxf4 a4 27.bxa4 Bxa4 28.Qd3 Bc6 29.Bb3 Rg5 30.e5 Rxe5 31.Rc4 Rd5 32.Qe2 Qb6 33.Rh4 Re5 34.Qd3 Bg2 35.Rd4 d5 36.Qd2 Re4 37.Rxd5 exd5 38.Qxd5 Qc7 39.Qf5 Rf7 40.Bxf7 Qe5 41.Rd7+ 1-0

Well done Carl and Kuan on picking the winner in the poll.

Well done, Sergey! Home advantage counted I guess.

MichaelBaron
29-03-2016, 09:48 AM
Agdestein (Carlsen's second) said in press-release that they are expecting a tough match to come... in reality, I think it is Magnus's good luck that Karjakin won.

Kaitlin
29-03-2016, 10:29 AM
Norway never been afraid of Russia

.... and the USA will give Karjakin the chair with the wonky leg .... rofl

Adamski
29-03-2016, 11:16 AM
A bad blunder by Caruana for such an important game. 34...Bg2 looks wrong too.

MichaelBaron
29-03-2016, 03:42 PM
Norway never been afraid of Russia

.... and the USA will give Karjakin the chair with the wonky leg .... rofl

Kramnik (subject to playing his best) would be a more interesting Russian match for Carlsen

Ian Rout
29-03-2016, 04:33 PM
Kramnik (subject to playing his best) would be a more interesting Russian match for Carlsen

Kramnik seems to be in wind-down mode these days.

Karjakin will be easier to portray as a villain for Cold War purposes, being an ex-Ukrainian who is Russian by choice. Plus the name helps:

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0028796/?ref_=tt_cl_t2

ER
29-03-2016, 05:06 PM
Kramnik (subject to playing his best) would be a more interesting Russian match for Carlsen

Grischook too I think!

Vlad
29-03-2016, 06:07 PM
Kramnik seems to be in wind-down mode these days.

Karjakin will be easier to portray as a villain for Cold War purposes, being an ex-Ukrainian who is Russian by choice. Plus the name helps:

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0028796/?ref_=tt_cl_t2

I think one important detail that you are missing is that Sergey is originally from the Crimea...

Ian Rout
29-03-2016, 06:50 PM
I think one important detail that you are missing is that Sergey is originally from the Crimea...Yes, that can be overlooked for the purposes of marketing.

Vlad
29-03-2016, 06:58 PM
It depends where you run the marketing. If in Russia it is important to highlight it...:)

Kaitlin
29-03-2016, 07:01 PM
It depends where you run the marketing. If in Russia it is important to highlight it...:)

hmmm :hmm: ..... so you think he's not going to beat Magnus ....... rofl

Vlad
29-03-2016, 07:20 PM
Why not?

Kevin Bonham
29-03-2016, 07:43 PM
I think one important detail that you are missing is that Sergey is originally from the Crimea...

That could make painting him as a bad guy even easier, given his pro-Putin and pro-annexation views.

Kevin Bonham
29-03-2016, 07:45 PM
And it is fondness for that system, like for like, match qualification for a match world championship, that I think is still the preferred format for todays format.

I'd like matches again if they were matches of a decent length. The 4-game-match Candidates knockout a few cycles back was a farce. Longer matches are probably the most reliable system to get the strongest winner in the end but they are also generally considered impractical these days.

Vlad
29-03-2016, 08:02 PM
That could make painting him as a bad guy even easier, given his pro-Putin and pro-annexation views.

Yes, that was exactly my point. For the same reason in Russia he is a hero. That could potentially lead to a good prize fund.:)

ER
29-03-2016, 09:13 PM
PS Dear Magnus, please careful who you are getting photographed with. You might be branded as one of the bad guys too!

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