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Max Illingworth
30-08-2014, 10:04 AM
It's quite surprising that there isn't a thread here on this tournament, especially considering that this tournament has the highest average rating in chess history (with an average rating of 2802) and all the games have seen exciting fighting chess - six of the nine games played so far have been decisive! Even the drawn games have been gripping!

It's a bit late for a poll given that Caruana has surged ahead of the field with a 3/3 start (beating Carlsen with Black today) - Vachier-Lagrave (who beat Aronian today) and Aronian are on 50% with Carlsen, Nakamura and Topalov on one out of three.

You can watch some decent and free live commentary (uschesschamps.com/live) for each round at 4:50am Sydney time.

You can play through and download the games here (http://www.theweekinchess.com/chessnews/events/2nd-sinquefield-cup-2014).

I don't have the link to the player interviews, but they have also been interesting.

Kevin Bonham
30-08-2014, 11:06 AM
Carlsen is probably a touch distracted given the goings-on about his title match with Anand.

I see Caruana has now gone to world live #2 surpassing Aronian.

Carlsen - Caruana

1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3 c6 4. Nf3 d5 5. Bb3 Bb4 6. c3 Bd6 7. Bg5 dxe4 8. dxe4 h6 9. Bh4 Qe7 10. Nbd2 Nbd7 11. Bg3 Bc7 12. O-O Nh5 13. h3 Nxg3 14. fxg3 Nc5 15. Bxf7 Kxf7 16. Nxe5 Kg8 17. Ng6 Qg5 18. Rf8 Kh7 19. Nxh8 Bg4 20. Qf1 Nd3 21. Qxd3 Rxf8 22. hxg4 Qxg4 23. Nf3 Qxg3 24. e5 Kxh8 25. e6 Bb6 26. Kh1 Qg4 27. Qd6 Rd8 28. Qe5 Rd5 29. Qb8 Kh7 30. e7 Qh5 31. Nh2 Rd1 32. Rxd1 Qxd1 33. Nf1 Qxf1 34. Kh2 Qg1 0-1

MichaelBaron
30-08-2014, 11:22 AM
He got outcalculated by Caruana :(. I must admit, complications after Bxf7 were totally beyond my comprehension to calculate so not sure what was going on

Kevin Bonham
30-08-2014, 11:27 AM
That is quite a wild game and it looks like Caruana had it under control all along. 31.Nh2 is a "blunder" but 31.Qh2 Qe8 looks miserable for white at their sort of level. 14...Nc5 is by no means forced but some of the calculations to support this move go as much as 14 moves deep (plus evaluation of position at the end) - whether he saw all that or it was intuitive that the compensation was more than enough I don't yet know.

Kevin Bonham
30-08-2014, 11:30 AM
This is one of the engine variations:

1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 c6 4.Nf3 d5 5.Bb3 Bb4+ 6.c3 Bd6 7.Bg5 dxe4 8.dxe4 h6 9.Bh4 Qe7 10.Nbd2 Nbd7 11.Bg3 Bc7 12.0-0 Nh5 13.h3 Nxg3 14.fxg3 Nc5 15.Bxf7+ Kxf7 16.Nxe5+ Kg8 17.Ng6 Qg5 18.Rf8+ Kh7 19.Nxh8 Bg4 20.Qf1 Nd3 21.Rf7 [game continuation 21.Qxd3 ] 21...Qe3+ 22.Kh1 Qxg3 23.Rxc7 Nf2+ 24.Kg1 Nxh3+ 25.Kh1 Qxc7 26.gxh3 Be6 27.Ng6 Kxg6 28.Qg2+ Kh7 and material is now even but black is clearly much better.

antichrist
30-08-2014, 12:15 PM
I could only print out one game, site or my computer were very slow. If anyone can find all games in printable form please advise. Max's post made me excited for awhile.

Kevin Bonham
31-08-2014, 05:16 PM
Caruana cleans up Aronian with a brilliant piece sac (made possible by suspect positional play by Aronian) and is now 4/4:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. d3 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. Nc3
d6 9. a3 Na5 10. Ba2 Be6 11. Bxe6 fxe6 12. b4 Nc6 13. Bd2 d5 14. Re1 Qd6 15. Na2
Nd7 16. Qe2 d4? 17. Reb1 Nb6 18. Nc1 Na4 19. Nb3 Rf7 20. Rc1 Rd8 21. Ng5 Rf6 22.
Qh5 h6 23. Nf3 Rdf8 24. Rf1 R8f7 25. Rae1 Bf8 26. h3 g6 27. Qh4 Qe7 28. Qg3 Bg7
29. Na5 Nxa5 30. Nxe5!! Nb7 31. Nxg6 Qd8 32. e5 Rf5 33. f4 c5 34. Nh4 Rh5 35. Nf3
Kh7 36. Qg4 Rhf5 37. Nh4 Kh8 38. Nxf5 Rxf5 39. Qg6 Qe7 40. g4 Rf8 41. f5 Qe8 42.
Qxe8 Rxe8 43. f6 Bf8 44. f7 Re7 45. Rf6 Nb6 46. Bxh6 Nd7 47. Ref1 cxb4 48. axb4
Bxh6 49. Rxh6+ Kg7 50. Rh5 1-0

Agent Smith
31-08-2014, 07:19 PM
Yeah - nice game.

His Live Performance rating will take some beating


1: Caruana, Fabiano 2801 22 ITA 4.0 / 4 X 1 . 1 1 1 3804 +20 (+4 -0 =0)
2: Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime 2768 24 FRA 2.0 / 4 0 X = = . 1 2817 +3 (+1 -1 =2)
3: Nakamura, Hikaru 2787 27 USA 1.5 / 4 . = X = 0 = 2718 -4 (+0 -1 =3)
4: Carlsen, Magnus 2877 24 NOR 1.5 / 4 0 = = X = . 2695 -10 (+0 -1 =3)
5: Topalov, Veselin 2772 39 BUL 1.5 / 4 0 . 1 = X 0 2730 -2 (+1 -2 =1)
6: Aronian, Levon 2805 32 ARM 1.5 / 4 0 0 = . 1 X 2695 -6 (+1 -2 =1)

Kevin Bonham
31-08-2014, 08:47 PM
Yeah - nice game.

His Live Performance rating will take some beating

Perfect score performance ratings are always dodgy and arbitrary (we had some very brief discussion of them here: http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?12161-Performance-ratings-models-for-100-and-0-scores). That one seems to use the average of the opponent's ratings +999, which is rather generous for 4/4 given that 3.5/4 is only +322. I think something in the 3200s (+400 to 500) would be fairer for 4/4.

Agent Smith
31-08-2014, 09:18 PM
Chessbase have
http://en.chessbase.com/Portals/4/files/news/2014/events/sinquefield/standings04.png
Which is pretty close to Scid vs. PC, except for the #1 for some reason.
We had a look at the differences between Scid's and Chessbases/FIDEs in some forum at Talkchess, and decided the diff was quite small - so i don't know what is happenning with Caruanas PR.
Very unusal. 3605 is nearly only a digit away from 3804 ??

Kevin Bonham
31-08-2014, 09:22 PM
Chessbase were going to implement giving the player a notional draw with themselves, but they seem to not have carried through with it and instead to have stuck to the completely arbitrary +800.

antichrist
31-08-2014, 09:48 PM
KB from above: Caruana cleans up Aronian with a brilliant piece sac (made possible by suspect positional play by Aronian) and is now 4/4:


AC: if black rook takes pawn and if exchange of rooks a pair of knights can play brilliantly against a lone rook in spite of a bit of crampedness - was it really hopeless?

Kevin Bonham
31-08-2014, 10:10 PM
AC: if black rook takes pawn and if exchange of rooks a pair of knights can play brilliantly against a lone rook in spite of a bit of crampedness - was it really hopeless?

The direct answer is yes, totally hopeless, since after Rxf7 Kxf7, Rh7+ Ke8, g5 black will at least lose one knight quickly in trying to stop the g-pawn (and that will be the least of his problems). It's not just a bit of crampedness but among the worst examples of it possible.

The better answer is that the correct reply to ...Rxf7 isn't even Rxf7 but rather Rh7+!, Kxh7 Rxf7+ winning both knights (ouch).

Kevin Bonham
01-09-2014, 11:36 AM
Caruana 5/5. Leads by 2.5 points. Unbelievable.

flushfyre
01-09-2014, 02:45 PM
Another symptom of the 100% score performance rating formula: Caruana's PR went down four points from winning his round 5 game.

Kevin Bonham
03-09-2014, 08:25 AM
Caruana 6/6, defeats Topalov.

MichaelBaron
03-09-2014, 11:39 AM
Carlsen apparently missed a win. Now the gap is between Carlsen and Karuana is 3 points...despite Magnus being outright second.

pax
03-09-2014, 01:26 PM
Carlsen apparently missed a win. Now the gap is between Carlsen and Karuana is 3 points...despite Magnus being outright second.

It says something about Caruana's incredible performance that the player in outright second is sitting on 50%!

Desmond
03-09-2014, 06:36 PM
Caruana showing a live rating of 2830.6 (http://www.2700chess.com/).

pax
04-09-2014, 12:32 PM
7/7

There's a very good chance we are witnessing the greatest tournament performance in history. Even if he draws his last three games, I would say this performance exceeds Linares '94.

pax
04-09-2014, 12:40 PM
Live ratings now Carlsen 2866, Caruana 2835, Aronian 2793.

Agent Smith
04-09-2014, 04:54 PM
Great games too
[Event "2nd Sinquefield Cup 2014"]
[Site "Saint Louis USA"]
[Date "2014.09.03"]
[Round "7.1"]
[White "Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime"]
[Black "Caruana, Fabiano"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2768"]
[BlackElo "2801"]
[ECO "D31"]
[EventDate "2014.08.27"]
[WhiteTitle "GM"]
[BlackTitle "GM"]
[Opening "QGD"]
[Variation "Charousek (Petrosian) variation"]
[WhiteFideId "623539"]
[BlackFideId "2020009"]

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Be7 4.Bf4 Nf6 5.e3 O-O 6.Rc1 Nbd7 7.c5 Ne4 8.Bd3 f5 9.Nf3 c6 10.Ne5 Nxe5 11.Bxe5 Bf6 12.Bxf6 Qxf6 13.Ne2 e5 14.Qa4 Qh4 15.g3 Qg4 16.Rf1 Ng5 17.Kd2 Nf3+ 18.Kc3 Nxh2 19.Rh1 Nf3 20.Qa5 Qg5 21.dxe5 Qe7 22.Nd4 Nxe5 23.b3 b6 24.cxb6 c5 25.Nb5 Bb7 26.bxa7 d4+ 27.exd4 Nxd3
( 27...cxd4+ 28.Kd2 Bxh1 29.Rc7 Qf6 30.f4 Nxd3 31.Kxd3 Be4+ 32.Kd2 Rfd8 33.Qb4 d3 34.Nc3 Qh6 35.Qc4+ Kh8 36.Nxe4 fxe4 37.Qf7 Qh2+ 38.Kc3 Qxg3 39.Kb4 d2 40.Qh5 d1=Q )
28.Kxd3 Bxh1 29.Rxc5
( 29.Rxh1 Qe4+ 30.Kd2 Qxh1 )
29...Qe4+ 30.Kc4 Qe2+ 31.Kb4 Qd2+ 32.Rc3 Bc6 33.a4 Bxb5 34.Kxb5 Qxd4 35.Rc7 Rfd8 36.Qb6 Rd5+ 37.Ka6 Rd6 38.a5 Qd3+
( 38...Rxb6+ 39.axb6 Qd3+ 40.Kb7 Qd5+ 41.Ka6 Qxb3 )
39.Kb7 Qd5+
( 39...Qd5+ 40.Ka6 Rxb6+ 41.axb6 Qxb3 42.Rc5
( 42.b7 Qa4+ 43.Kb6 Qxa7+ 44.Kc6 Qa4+ 45.Kd6 Qd4+ 46.Ke6 Ra6+ 47.Rc6 Rxc6+ 48.Ke7 Qe4+ 49.Kd7 Qd5+ 50.Ke8 Re6# )
42...Qa4+ 43.Kb7 Qe4+ 44.Ka6 Qd3+ 45.Ka5
( 45.Kb7 Re8 46.a8=Q Qe4+ 47.Rc6 Rxa8 48.Kxa8 Qxc6+ )
45...Qd2+ 46.Kb5 Qb2+ 47.Ka6 Qxf2 48.Rc6 Qa2+ 49.Kb7 Qd5 50.Kxa8 Qxc6+ 51.b7 Qd5 52.g4 fxg4 )
( 39...Rxb6+ 40.axb6
( 40.Kxa8 Qf3+ 41.Rc6 Qxc6# )
40...Qf3+ 41.Ka6 Qxb3 )
0-1

Agent Smith
04-09-2014, 05:13 PM
So.. now we can stick it to Kasparov again ? :)

Empathy is not chesser's strong point.

Garry Kasparov @Kasparov63 10h

I do not believe chess has advanced so much in the 9 years since my retirement that moves like Qa4 and g3 make sense!


Garry Kasparov @Kasparov63 10h

I will be interested in hearing Vachier-Lagrave explain 14.Qa4 later. Take on e5, play Qc2 & maybe Black is better but no threats!

MVL ‏@Vachier_Lagrave 6h

To @Kasparov63 14.Qa4 was designed to take on e5, put queen on d4 then f3 and Kd2. I missed 14...Qh4 15.0-0 Nf6 at first and panicked then!

MichaelBaron
04-09-2014, 06:35 PM
Karuana...first real threat to Carlsen's domination in years

pax
04-09-2014, 07:46 PM
Karuana...first real threat to Carlsen's domination in years
So it would seem, though I still think Aronian is still capable of matching it with Carlsen when he is "on" (which he clearly isn't right now). Other than those three, the next challenger may be a while in coming - maybe Giri or Rapport.

Kevin Bonham
05-09-2014, 11:49 AM
The leader has blotted his copybook by letting some patzer from Norway escape with a draw. At least we have a performance rating for him now and it's a feeble 3247.

pax
05-09-2014, 12:04 PM
Caruana with white vs a collapsing Nakamura could be interesting.

Garrett
05-09-2014, 12:23 PM
Yes - and Caruana has first place wrapped up so I can't see any incentive to settle for a draw.

The tournament is already his, and immortality lies within his grasp.

Max Illingworth
05-09-2014, 05:54 PM
I've been following this tournament pretty closely and analysed Nakamura-Topalov (https://www.sydneyacademyofchess.com.au/exemplary-berlin) on my blog.

Capablanca-Fan
06-09-2014, 12:45 AM
Karuana...first real threat to Carlsen's domination in years

In classical games before this, the score was quite close: +5-4=7 to Carlsen. Carlsen leads +8-2 in fast games (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?pid=52948&pid2=76172). This is a better score than Carlsen's other most serious opponents have managed in classical games. E.g. Aronian has +4-10=27, although has dominated in fast chess by +11-6=15 (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?pid=17316&pid2=52948).

Desmond
06-09-2014, 10:12 AM
Live ratings now Carlsen 2866, Caruana 2835, Aronian 2793.
And has now passed Aronian's best live rating to move into 3rd spot in the all-time list (behind only Carlsen and Kasparov) with 2836.1

Garrett
06-09-2014, 11:02 AM
I was watching live this morning and the engines were saying Caruana had a strong exchange sac on move 40.

Caruana only had a minute or so left at that stage though.....

I would say he must have at least considered it.

Agent Smith
07-09-2014, 11:18 AM
Yeah - 40. Rxg6 wins for Caruana against Naka.

Ian Rogers today wrote up Caruana's first round win over Carslen, which was an absolute cracker, sadly ended by a blunder.

Final

2nd Sinquefield Cup 2014
Saint Louis USA, 2014.08.27 - 2014.09.06
Average Rating: 2801 (Category 23)
Rtng Score Ca Ca To Ar Va Na Perf Chg
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
1: Caruana, Fabiano 2801 8.5 / 10 XX 1= 11 =1 11 1= 3097 +35 (+7 -0 =3)
2: Carlsen, Magnus 2877 5.5 / 10 0= XX == 1= == =1 2822 -8 (+2 -1 =7)
3: Topalov, Veselin 2772 5.0 / 10 00 == XX 0= 1= 11 2807 +5 (+3 -3 =4)
4: Aronian, Levon 2805 4.0 / 10 =0 0= 1= XX 0= == 2729 -11 (+1 -3 =6)
5: Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime 2768 4.0 / 10 00 == 0= 1= XX == 2736 -4 (+1 -3 =6)
6: Nakamura, Hikaru 2787 3.0 / 10 0= =0 00 == == XX 2655 -17 (+0 -4 =6)

[Event "2nd Sinquefield Cup 2014"]
[Site "Saint Louis USA"]
[Date "2014.09.05"]
[Round "9.1"]
[White "Caruana, Fabiano"]
[Black "Nakamura, Hikaru"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2801"]
[BlackElo "2787"]
[ECO "C67"]
[EventDate "2014.08.27"]
[WhiteTitle "GM"]
[BlackTitle "GM"]
[Opening "Ruy Lopez"]
[Variation "Berlin defence, open variation"]
[WhiteFideId "2020009"]
[BlackFideId "2016192"]

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.O-O Nxe4 5.d4 Nd6 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.dxe5 Nf5 8.Qxd8+ Kxd8 9.h3 Ke8 10.Nc3 h5 11.Bf4 Be7 12.Rad1 Be6 13.Ng5 Rh6 14.Rfe1 Bb4 15.g4 hxg4 16.hxg4 Ne7 17.Nxe6 Rxe6 18.Kg2 Rd8 19.Rxd8+ Kxd8 20.Rd1+ Kc8 21.Bg3 Bxc3 22.bxc3 Rg6 23.Rd4 f5 24.Bh4 c5 25.Rf4 Nd5 26.Rxf5 Rxg4+ 27.Bg3 Kd8 28.Kh3 Rg6 29.c4 Ne7 30.Rf8+ Kd7 31.f4 Ke6 32.Bh4 Rh6 33.Re8 g5 34.fxg5 Rg6 35.Kg4 Kf7 36.Rh8 Ra6 37.Rh7+ Kf8 38.Rh6 Ng6 39.Kf5 Kg7 40.Bf2
( 40.Rxg6+ Rxg6 41.e6 Kh7 42.e7 Rg8 43.g6+ Kh6
( 43...Rxg6 44.e8=Q )
44.Bg5+ Kg7 45.Bf6+ Kh6 46.Be5 Re8 47.Kf6 Rxe7 48.Kxe7 )
40...Ne7+ 41.Ke4 Ra4 42.Re6 Nc6 43.Kf5 Rxc4 44.Rg6+ Kf8 45.Rf6+ Kg8 46.g6 Rxc2 47.Be3 Nd4+ 48.Bxd4 cxd4 49.Rf7 d3 50.Rd7 Rf2+ 51.Kg5 Rg2+ 52.Kf6 Rf2+ 53.Kg5 Rg2+ 54.Kf6 Rf2+ 55.Kg5 Rg2+ 1/2-1/2

[Event "2nd Sinquefield Cup 2014"]
[Site "Saint Louis USA"]
[Date "2014.08.29"]
[Round "3.1"]
[White "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Black "Caruana, Fabiano"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2877"]
[BlackElo "2801"]
[ECO "C24"]
[EventDate "2014.08.27"]
[WhiteTitle "GM"]
[BlackTitle "GM"]
[Opening "Bishop's opening"]
[Variation "Berlin defence"]
[WhiteFideId "1503014"]
[BlackFideId "2020009"]

1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3
( 3.Nc3 Nxe4 4.Qh5 Nd6 5.Bb3 Be7 6.Qxe5 )
3...c6 4.Nf3 d5 5.Bb3 Bb4+
( 5...Bd6 6.Nc3 )
6.c3 Bd6 7.Bg5
( 7.Nbd2 )
7...dxe4 8.dxe4 h6 9.Bh4 Qe7 10.Nbd2 Nbd7 11.Bg3 Bc7 12.O-O Nh5 13.h3 Nxg3 14.fxg3 Nc5 15.Bxf7+
( 15.Bc2 a5 )
15...Kxf7
( 15...Qxf7 16.Nxe5
( 16.Nxe5 Qe6 17.Qh5+ Ke7 18.Ng6+ Kd8 19.Qh4+ Ke8 20.Nxh8 )
)
16.Nxe5+ Kg8 17.Ng6 Qg5 18.Rf8+ Kh7 19.Nxh8 Bg4 20.Qf1 Nd3 21.Qxd3 Rxf8 22.hxg4 Qxg4 23.Nf3
( 23.e5+ Kxh8 )
23...Qxg3 24.e5+
( He had to play Nf7 ... said Caruana, "with the point that after.... i must lose a move compared to the game 24.Nf7 Rxf7 25.e5+ Kh8 26.e6 )
24...Kxh8 25.e6 Bb6+ 26.Kh1 Qg4 27.Qd6 Rd8 28.Qe5 Rd5 29.Qb8+ Kh7 30.e7 Qh5+ 31.Nh2 A Blunder
( 31.Qh2 Qe8 )
31...Rd1+ 32.Rxd1 Qxd1+ 33.Nf1 Qxf1+ 34.Kh2 Qg1+ 0-1

Kevin Bonham
07-09-2014, 11:49 AM
A shame Caruana missed Rxg6 against Nakamura, it's a very nice line.

It seems this is still the highest recorded tournament PR, even with the three draws (excluding 100% scores.)

MichaelBaron
07-09-2014, 12:33 PM
Will be interesting to see if Karuana's outstanding level of play in this tournament (and consistency) live on.

Desmond
07-09-2014, 02:44 PM
Will be interesting to see if Karuana's outstanding level of play in this tournament (and consistency) live on.I don't think there is much chance of him playing at 3100-strength consistently from now on but it would be great if he could get up close to challenge Carlsen.

pax
08-09-2014, 01:41 PM
A shame Caruana missed Rxg6 against Nakamura, it's a very nice line.

It seems this is still the highest recorded tournament PR, even with the three draws (excluding 100% scores.)

Certainly. I would also rank it higher than Karpov's Linares 1994 as a tournament performance, even accounting for inflation in the interim. Karpov's 11/13 was an almost identical %, but being a 14 player event, included relatively much weaker players such as Lautier and Illescas.

Capablanca-Fan
09-09-2014, 12:32 AM
Certainly. I would also rank it higher than Karpov's Linares 1994 as a tournament performance, even accounting for inflation in the interim. Karpov's 11/13 was an almost identical %, but being a 14 player event, included relatively much weaker players such as Lautier and Illescas.
Mind you, such a performance is harder to sustain over a long series. Compare Fine's performance in the first half of AVRO 1938; his first six games were 5.5/6 (~91.7%) against Botvinnik, Reshevsky, Capablanca, Euwe, Flohr, and Alekhine, and he dropped only the draw with Capa from a winning position. Or Lasker's 7/8 (87.5%) in the finals of St Petersburg 1914 against Capablanca, Alekhine, Tarrasch, and Marshall. No question that Caruana's result was an amazing performance. It could make the world championship more interesting if Carlsen were not quite so dominant as he has been.

Kevin Bonham
09-09-2014, 11:31 AM
One possible comparison point for Caruana's performance is Fischer's combined Candidates Matches - 6-0 vs Taimanov, 6-0 vs Larsen, 6.5-2.5 vs Petrosian. Higher percentage and more games but against not quite as strong a field. PR comes out a shade above 3000 but "inflation" is a possible consideration.

Kevin Bonham
11-09-2014, 11:33 AM
Posts moved

Five posts have been moved to the Carlsen-Anand thread.

Ian Rout
12-09-2014, 01:05 PM
One possible comparison point for Caruana's performance is Fischer's combined Candidates Matches - 6-0 vs Taimanov, 6-0 vs Larsen, 6.5-2.5 vs Petrosian. Higher percentage and more games but against not quite as strong a field. PR comes out a shade above 3000 but "inflation" is a possible consideration.
It's not as strong a field if you look at the absolute ratings on the assumption that ratings have a consistent basis, but if you consider that Larsen and Petrosian were ranked around number 4 and 5 and Taimanov around number 14 in 1971 there isn't a lot in it.

The formats are different though. If Fischer had been permitted to play out his matches after his wins were achieved he might have improved his performance, and Caruana would certainly have improved his had be been allowed to stop after assuring first place.

Kevin Bonham
12-09-2014, 01:39 PM
The formats are different though. If Fischer had been permitted to play out his matches after his wins were achieved he might have improved his performance, and Caruana would certainly have improved his had be been allowed to stop after assuring first place.

Yes, this is a very relevant difference. I think this is very much a point in Caruana's favour since Fischer was motivated to win to secure the event in every game he played while Caruana was not - had Fischer been required to play out games against his Candidates victims after securing the matches with nothing to gain bar ratings points, it's likely that there would have been some draws.