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Carl Gorka
14-05-2014, 11:43 PM
Hmm, and then after feeling good about the Olympiad I see this article (http://www.chess.com/news/troms-olympiad-in-trouble-3259)

Doggers sensationalism, or justifiable concern?

Kevin Bonham
15-05-2014, 01:16 AM
Hmm, and then after feeling good about the Olympiad I see this article (http://www.chess.com/news/troms-olympiad-in-trouble-3259)

Doggers sensationalism, or justifiable concern?

Thankyou ever so much for posting that. I hadn't seen it, and whether it is a false alarm or serious, it is very important that we keep an eye on it.

It does look like a number of independent Norwegian sites in both English and Norwegian back up that serious noises are being made about this - for instance see this report (http://www.newsinenglish.no/2014/05/14/revised-budget-dips-into-oil-fund/) as well as those linked by Doggers. It is easy for me to be cynical about such things because I live in Tasmania, where a public threat to cancel a major event is almost a standard fundraising device (or was until the MONA crowd came along and blew away a lot of the second-rate music festivals).

I hope this will blow over but a c. 2 million dollar shortfall is quite concerning. What is it with conservative government budgets? :wall:

Kevin Bonham
15-05-2014, 11:23 PM
I would have titled this split thread "in Tromso" but that's not a known known at this stage.

Following the comments about the event's questionable viability this has appeared on the FIDE website:


FIDE is aware of the speculation regarding the Tromso Olympiad and has written letters to both the Chairman of the Organising Committee and the President of the Norwegian Chess Federation.

Athens, 15 May 2014

Mr. Hans Olav Karde
Chairman
Tromso 2014 Organising Committee

Dear Mr Karde

We have seen the articles in the Norwegian press regarding the Tromso Olympiad, in particular where you are quoted. This is the first time that we are aware that there are any problems regarding the funding of the Olympiad. Perhaps, with hindsight, we should have realised when you unilaterally decided to ask for a €100 administration fee. As I have written several times, this was not in your original bid and is not accepted by FIDE. FIDE believes that if this had been disclosed in your bid, then the voting would have been different. This therefore cannot be charged. Please note 4.2.1 and 4.2.2 of the Regulations for the Chess Olympiad. Under 4.2.2, you are under obligation to keep the FIDE President informed of the financial aspects of the Olympiad, this you have not done. When I visit next week with Mr. Gelfer, I would be grateful if you could provide me with the required information under 4.2.1.

This whole matter is of great concern to FIDE and we have received many questions from Federations and the press. There is also plenty of speculation over the internet and all this causes uncertainty about the event. Please confirm to us on behalf of the Organising Committee that there is no chance that the Tromso Chess Olympiad will be cancelled. Federations, Delegates and Commission members are not going to buy their tickets unless we get such a confirmation. So we need to put an end to all this speculation.

I look forward to meeting with you next week.

Yours truly,

Nigel Freeman
FIDE Treasurer and Executive Director


Athens, 15 May 2014

Mr. Joran Aulin-Jansson
President
Norwegian Chess Federation

Dear JJ

Thank you for your email, which was the first official notification we have received that there may be some trouble regarding the financing of the Olympiad.

You say that there is no reason to be seriously worried, but we have already had questions from Federations and the press regarding this. You must also no doubt be aware of all the speculation on the internet.

Of course, so close to the Olympiad, FIDE is worried by this situation and we would like a confirmation from the Norwegian Chess Federation that there is no chance that the Tromso Olympiad will be cancelled.

Best regards

Nigel

FIDE advises that when the Norwegian Chess Federation submitted their bid for the Olympiad to the General Assembly in Khanty-Mansiysk, they were fully aware of all their obligations, including the holding of the World Cup in 2013.

Adamski
16-05-2014, 06:47 PM
This is all very worrying

Adamski
17-05-2014, 11:04 AM
Hmm, and then after feeling good about the Olympiad I see this article (http://www.chess.com/news/troms-olympiad-in-trouble-3259)

Doggers sensationalism, or justifiable concern? Recent additions to the article that Carl linked to:

Update May 15th, 16:00 CET: Mr Aulin-Jansson responded to FIDE in VG saying: “FIDE claims we had not included charges in our bid, but we claim we did include them. It is the same as they had during the Olympics two years ago.”

Update May 15th, 15:00 CET: Chances that the Norwegian government will pay the extra 15 million kroner are slim. Minister of Culture Thorhild Widvey said in another VG article: “You can not just come and ask for more money because you have not been able to get it. The premise of this was clear when they applied.”

Does not sound good....

Kevin Bonham
17-05-2014, 12:02 PM
I've been trying to get to the bottom of the 100E registration fee dispute but as usual with these things the minuting is not good enough to see if it was included or not. Whatever the case Mr Aulin-Jansson is correct that the fee was included in Istanbul.

Adamski
17-05-2014, 09:14 PM
More detail on Twitter. Follow Tarpei Svensen. Story from chess24.com. Norwegian Chess Federation President says disappointed the politicians not see the need for the extra money.

Adamski
17-05-2014, 09:33 PM
Back on my laptop I can give full URL; https://www.chess24.com/en/read/news/chess-olympiad-facing-serious-money-crisis

Kevin Bonham
17-05-2014, 09:49 PM
Back on my laptop I can give full URL; https://www.chess24.com/en/read/news/chess-olympiad-facing-serious-money-crisis

Thanks, there is quite a lot of useful detail in that link that was not in the various other reports.

Kevin Bonham
17-05-2014, 10:03 PM
Now this is ironic: the last time an Olympiad was cancelled (20 years ago) it was moved to a new venue and saved (in a makeshift fashion) by ... Garry Kasparov!

Agent Smith
18-05-2014, 09:15 AM
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/de.cisha.live/D3QPDrsFQKScjDO5UpGedQ/original/vgnett.png

Adamski
18-05-2014, 01:19 PM
The nice Magnus image is from the latest article cited. Fyi chess64 also has a full article re no bids for world champs with a long list of reasons why.

Kevin Bonham
18-05-2014, 05:48 PM
Chessbase piece (http://en.chessbase.com/post/trouble-in-tromso-olympiad-underfunded)says:

"Addendum: We have spoken to ogranisers and Chess Federation contacts in Norway and did not find the mood pessimistic or gloomy. They are working hard on a solution, and the prediction is that the Olympiad will go ahead as planned."

Garvinator
18-05-2014, 06:51 PM
Chessbase piece (http://en.chessbase.com/post/trouble-in-tromso-olympiad-underfunded)says:

"Addendum: We have spoken to ogranisers and Chess Federation contacts in Norway and did not find the mood pessimistic or gloomy. They are working hard on a solution, and the prediction is that the Olympiad will go ahead as planned."
Well of course the Norway Chess Federation are going to say something like that. It would not be in their interest at all to admit that things are in bad shape, or that the event might not be able to be held. Or certainly not be able to be held according the bid conditions agreed.

Adamski
20-05-2014, 12:38 AM
No new additions to the chess64.com article other than readers' comments.

Adamski
21-05-2014, 12:37 AM
Norwegian government rules out Olympiad rescue. See new article by Svensen at https://www.chess24.com/en/read/news/norwegian-government-rules-out-olympiad-rescue

A choice line from the latest story: "Moreover, the Minister of Culture - despite not having support from the Norwegian people - is working hard to secure a bid for the 2022 Winter Olympics. The cost is estimated to be at least 22 billion NOK. The preparation of the bid alone will cost the Kingdom of Norway 312 million NOK."

Something more positive: "On Friday the City Council of Tromsø decided to officially apply to the Norwegian government for the remaining 15 million. Whether the government’s response will be different when the request comes from a city rather than an organisation remains unclear, but it does emphasise the seriousness of the situation. "

From the same article:

1. "P.S. Aulin-Jansson will attend a meeting of the Norwegian Ministry of Finance on Tuesday to discuss the situation. On the same day FIDE Executive Director Nigel Freeman and Vice President Israel Gelfer will arrive in Tromsø to carry out inspections. Can they help rescue the situation? Or do they have other plans?"

2. "Note: Shortly after this article was published chess24 contacted FIDE for a response. We'll update the article as soon as we get one.

Adamski
22-05-2014, 01:03 AM
Re point 2 above: No response yet from FIDE nor any update of substance to the article. Tuesday in Norway was meant to be a key day but no news yet.

ER
22-05-2014, 10:51 PM
That's it! I had enough of FIDE, the Norwegians, Mr Putin, the Russians, the Ukrainians and whoever else is involved in this mess! If no decision re Chess Olympiad Rescue Operation is made until the end of May, I am cancelling my flight to Tromsø from Athens (via Frankfurt @ Oslo) and heading to Barcelona for a nice Spanish round trip! My original plan was to do the Norway gig, spend a few hours in Tromsø for the chess thingy and then head to Denmark, followed by Finland, Ukraine, and Russia for a couple of weeks before I took the ferry from Romania to Istanbul, the Greek Islands and the Balkans. Now, that visiting Ukraine is not on, it's going to be Athens, Barcelona, Spanish round trip, Italy, and then another Balkan tour like last year but this time including Albania too! Final warning end of May!

Adamski
23-05-2014, 08:56 AM
I am hoping that you have canceled your Tromso trip too early, Elliott. Watching out for more news on chess24.

ER
23-05-2014, 02:11 PM
I am hoping that you have canceled your Tromso trip too early, Elliott. Watching out for more news on chess24.

Haven't cancelled anything yet, Jonathan!


If no decision re Chess Olympiad Rescue Operation is made until the end of May, I am cancelling my flight

I 've given them one week's notice though! :)

Kevin Bonham
23-05-2014, 03:24 PM
FIDE website:


FIDE Treasurer and Executive Director, Nigel Freeman and FIDE Vice President, Israel Gelfer have spent the last two days meeting with the Tromso Organising Committee, where they discussed all outstanding matters.

The financial situation was discussed and they were advised that they would receive a final answer in the next two - three weeks, which is expected to be of a positive nature.

Cancelling the Olympiad would severely damage the reputation of both the city and the country, particularly bearing in mind that they may be a candidate for holding the Winter Olympics in 2022.

It was agreed that Mr. Freeman would have another meeting with the Organisers in Tromso in a few weeks to finalise all outstanding matters.

Adamski
23-05-2014, 10:39 PM
Thanks for that, Kev.

MichaelBaron
25-05-2014, 11:15 AM
The amazing thing is, in sports like soccer, the organizers need to prepare a solid infrustructure (stadiums) to run the event and they should be build on time. With chess, money is literally the only thing missing and it is not that much money for any government...but yet they are not bailing the organizers out.

Garvinator
25-05-2014, 11:55 AM
The amazing thing is, in sports like soccer, the organizers need to prepare a solid infrustructure (stadiums) to run the event and they should be build on time. With chess, money is literally the only thing missing and it is not that much money for any government...but yet they are not bailing the organizers out.
Direct cash injection is usually the greatest sticking point. Items like stadiums are easy to show for long term value for the community. But if money is spent on one item ie just given to one project with no clear long term return (nothing clearly built), then it makes it a much tougher sell. Also, how can the Government be assured that this money will be well spent when previous efforts have clearly been not that great?

ER
25-05-2014, 10:41 PM
According to CV President IM Leonid Sandler, the Tromsø Olympiad will go ahead despite all the hocus-pocus dialectics! The Prez is one of the chess personalities whose knowledge and opinion I respect! So I won't cancel my trip to the Tromsø gig! (as yet that is)!

Carl Gorka
28-05-2014, 11:29 PM
Well, all match arbiters are supposed to be at the meeting on August 1st according to theFIDE website (http://www.fide.com/component/content/article/1-fide-news/8019-tromso-olympiad-announcement-for-match-arbiters.html) so I guess we can assume it's going ahead?!

Kevin Bonham
06-06-2014, 01:16 AM
Good news:

http://en.chessbase.com/post/breaking-news-there-will-be-a-chess-olympiad

The Norwegian government has coughed up 12 million NOK (they were asked for 15 million) and the organisers have confirmed the event is going ahead.

Capablanca-Fan
06-06-2014, 03:35 AM
Direct cash injection is usually the greatest sticking point. Items like stadiums are easy to show for long term value for the community. But if money is spent on one item ie just given to one project with no clear long term return (nothing clearly built), then it makes it a much tougher sell. Also, how can the Government be assured that this money will be well spent when previous efforts have clearly been not that great?
Even stadiums are very questionable in value, as John Stossel documents in Freeloader Stadium (http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/stossel/blog/2009/10/26/freeloader-stadium):


Why do sports tycoons get taxpayer handouts?

Because politicians like big projects, like getting invited to sit in luxury boxes, like starring in ticker-tape parades, and they convince themselves and taxpayers that a big stadium is in the “public interest” -- that it will bring many new jobs and practically pay for itself.

This is nonsense. Studies like this one (http://books.google.com/books?id=K-OuDxhiXkoC&dq=noll+and+zimbalist+sports&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=Z9vDK0mgde&sig=2yhTdFwm2zxDiPq2XkE-VQdQoFQ&hl=en&ei=NSnlSt_-GIjL8Qbm5PCHBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false) show that stadiums cost cities far more than they return. Sure, the stadium creates new jobs for the ushers, vendors, and local shops. But that’s what is seen. The unseen are the jobs not created by the money that people would’ve spent if it hadn’t been taxed away. That money could have been used by entrepreneurs to start new businesses, expand existing ones, build new homes, etc. But because it’s hard to show the people who didn’t get jobs because money was diverted, the sports execs and their politician friends continue to fleece the public.

So your point is even stronger.

Adamski
06-06-2014, 08:37 AM
That is indeed great news, Kevin.

Craig_Hall
11-07-2014, 10:49 PM
Not that this concerns NZ or Australia as both nations get visa-waiver travel to Norway, but nations where Norwegian consulates/embassies are not readily available, may have difficulty travelling:

http://en.chessbase.com/post/visa-problems-for-the-chess-olympiad

Unfortunately, it looks like Norwegian/European law changed after Norway was awarded the Olympiad, so they probably didn't realise until it became a problem.

Kevin Bonham
15-07-2014, 08:13 PM
Small size of the city and large number of people coming evidently creating a few accommodation hassles: Match arbiters will be accommodated 70 km from the venue and will commute by bus every day:

http://www.fide.com/component/content/article/1-fide-news/8150-information-and-instructions-for-the-tromso-olympiad-match-arbiters.html

MichaelBaron
17-07-2014, 11:56 AM
Russian women's team has not submitted its application on time and will now be excluded from the participants list!
http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/russian-womens-national-team-excluded.html

ER
17-07-2014, 12:25 PM
Russian women's team has not submitted its application on time and will now be excluded from the participants list!
http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/russian-womens-national-team-excluded.html

I have a feeling it will be fixed!

Keong Ang
17-07-2014, 01:10 PM
Russian women's team has not submitted its application on time and will now be excluded from the participants list!
http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/russian-womens-national-team-excluded.html

About time someone followed the rules!
Exclude them. How dare any team think they can ignore deadlines and expect special treatment?

Keong Ang
17-07-2014, 01:16 PM
I have a feeling it will be fixed!

If it is fixable, it's all about money.
Otherwise it's a bunch of "by the book" people running the show!
;)

MichaelBaron
17-07-2014, 05:48 PM
I have a feeling it will be fixed!

Unfortunately, I am afraid you are right. But I wish it is not fixed and Russians learn their lesson and play by the rules.

Garvinator
17-07-2014, 07:15 PM
I have a feeling it will be fixed!
Fixed is definitely the right word. The Russians will be admitted because anyone who attempts to stop it will have such pressure applied to them and threats made that the pressure will be seen as just not worth it. So it will be just seen as not worth the trouble and they will be admitted.

That is chess fide style.

Kevin Bonham
17-07-2014, 10:42 PM
The organisers are relying on a legalistic interpretation of the Olympiad regs. Their argument is that while the FIDE President has power to take "the final decision on all questions" relating to the Olympiad, they hold that the exclusion of teams that fail to register in time is not even a question, but rather is an already settled matter.

Given that it is so easy to find by studying the FIDE regs that they are not written that precisely and are in fact a drafting shambles, I doubt that line would stand up in court. But I commend the organisers for standing up in a case where a prominent team apparently not only does not register in time but does not even make contact to seek an extension.

I have very little sympathy for Russia in this matter. They are a massive chess nation. We are a small chess nation and we had to go through all kinds of things, including an appeal that was unexpectedly upheld, to get our teams and captains selected in time and we did it. For Russia to not have their team submitted in time or make contact - if that is true - is in my view inexcusable.

I'd let them in but fine them.

Gelfer's threat to support cancelling the Olympiad is silly.

Kevin Bonham
18-07-2014, 12:02 AM
Chessbase reports here: http://en.chessbase.com/post/russian-women-s-team-out-of-olympiad

and here: http://en.chessbase.com/post/garry-kasparov-on-the-threat-to-troms

have more details. The suggestion - albeit unproven - is that the failure to register in time is down to issues surrounding the transfer from Ukraine to Russia of Kateryna Lagno, who the Russians desperately need as both Kosintsevas have quit the team. What is not explained is why Russia apparently did not contact the organisers in advance.

I agree with the point by Kasparov that it is not consistent for the current FIDE leadership to have pushed "zero tolerance" for late arrivals so hard but refused to accept the same principle as applied to registering for a tournament in time.

MichaelBaron
18-07-2014, 01:23 AM
Gelfer's threat to support cancelling the Olympiad is silly.

But I would not be surprised if they attempt to cancel ...or move somewhere the last moment...Fide is not only corrupt..but also Illumsinov is personally dependant on the Russian Government for his well-being.

Garvinator
18-07-2014, 08:47 PM
Just when you think this all can not get any more dodgy... http://en.chessbase.com/post/olympiad-troms-fide-president-issues-a-deadline

My paraphrasing-


As FIDE President, I am hereby officially informing the Organizing Committee that the delegations of Russia, Afghanistan, Gabon and Pakistan are allowed to participate in the FIDE Olympiad and Congress in Tromso, in accordance with the power given to the FIDE President by article 6.1 of the regulations. This decision has been made by taking into account the real problems that the federations of Russia, Afghanistan, Gabon and Pakistan faced during the registration process.


Therefore, I'm instructing the Organizing Committee to accept without any delay the registrations of Cambodia, Central African Republic, Ivory Coast, Oman and Senegal for participation in the Chess Olympiad and Congress of Tromso. The amount of 100 euros per person for these federations will be paid to the Organizing Committee. FIDE will cover this cost and not the national federations.

At this stage, FIDE is in consultation with its lawyers and bankers.

Really, how dodgy is all this? Why is the world federation paying the late registration costs of the national federations and players? All the National Federations should now be demanding their money back and playing for free.

Garvinator
18-07-2014, 08:52 PM
What I really hope for is that the organising committee tells the Fide President to get stuffed and attempts to stick by their original decision. It was Russia's responsibility to get their team nominated on time, not the organising committee. It was Russia's responsibility to their get their player transfer done by the deadline. And as others have pointed out, they could have nominated a team and substituted later.

It is ridiculous in the extreme that the Fide President can on one hand be so much in favour of forfeiting players for not being at the board one second late, even though they were present for their game, but then has no issue with teams completely missing registration deadlines. Either you truly believe in zero default, or you don't. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Kevin Bonham
18-07-2014, 09:33 PM
But I would not be surprised if they attempt to cancel ...or move somewhere the last moment...Fide is not only corrupt..but also Illumsinov is personally dependant on the Russian Government for his well-being.

I think there's the possibility of any such move, if attempted, destroying FIDE's global hegemony and causing many western nations to quit FIDE and start a new body. If a threat is executed then taking the bank guarantee would seem more likely.

It would be interesting to know what the registration problems Ilyumzhinov refers to are in the case of Russia - OK there was the Lagno delay which is fair enough, but did they really not advise the organisers there would be a delay in confirming their women's team? The computer registration system for this Olympiad has been extremely problematic, the worst for many years. I've had a good run with it but Ian has had massive issues with aspects of the women's team registration and it's no surprise countries with poor internet could have trouble. However it was put in place primarily by FIDE rather than the organisers. Things like the match arbiter decision are probably reflections of a genuine shortage of accommodation in Tromso which is simply not a big place; blaming them on links to Kasparov appears to be just be playing politics.

Annoyed as I am that a country the size of Russia can get away with not getting its act together while smaller nations get it right, I do hope this all blows over and the Olympiad goes ahead with as many teams as possible. Not sure any of us really fancy a trip to Sochi at the moment.

Kevin Bonham
18-07-2014, 11:26 PM
FIDE lawyers' letter to Organising Committee:

http://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS_2014/FIDE_news/FIDE_letter_to_the_Members_of_the_Tromso_Olympiad_ 18july2014.pdf

Kevin Bonham
18-07-2014, 11:44 PM
A point validly made by the Russians in their letter (http://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS_2014/FIDE_news/FIDE_letter_to_the_Members_of_the_Tromso_Olympiad_ 18july2014.pdf) is that the Olympiad itself was not confirmed until 5 June.

MichaelBaron
19-07-2014, 12:46 AM
Annoyed as I am that a country the size of Russia can get away with not getting its act together while smaller nations get it right, I do hope this all blows over and the Olympiad goes ahead with as many teams as possible. Not sure any of us really fancy a trip to Sochi at the moment.

This is the whole point! Russia can get it right...but does not bother cause it feels it can do whatever it likes under the patronage of Mr. Illumzhinov. Hopefully, Russian women's team will not be allowed to play.

ER
19-07-2014, 01:32 AM
... Not sure any of us really fancy a trip to Sochi at the moment.

Neither Sochi, nor Tromso or anywhere else!

I had enough of this yes, no, maybe!

I just cancelled my flight from Athens to Tromso

I just cancelled my hotel room at Tromso.

My original plan re the Olympiad was to visit there for a few days, barrack quietly for our teams, watch Anton playing his first international
representing Australia at the highest level, (as well as his first participation in the vermuda party :P :) ) then travel by bus or ferry to Finland all the way down to Baltic countries and Ukraine. Then from Odessa to Romania and Istanbul all by ferry.

Politics, wars, terrorist attacks etc stuffed up my dream of doing this trip.

Then I changed my itinerary to only visit Tromso as originally thought then go down South and take it from there.

Now I have my plans again stuffed up by chess politicians who think they can play yoyo with teams, officials and spectators at will.

No way. Apologies to Henrik, Gary, and other wonderful people whom I was going to meet in Norway and spend some quality time with them there.

My European summer and early fall vacation (almost two months in duration) will take place down South across the Mediterranean. Well, Middle East excluded since
my plans to visit Shameeh's family in Beirut and the memory lane trip to Haifa have also been disrupted by the madmen's war there!

I can always follow the Olympiad events when and if they take place online!

Agent Smith
19-07-2014, 09:03 AM
Russia is certainly is the middle of most of the muck (though in this case i am sypathetic to the women's team playing).

The soccer body FIFA has had a lot of hassles with corruption (awarding Dubai a World Cup in summer is just absurd), and their chairman was in great company at the recent world cup
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bscmg6GIQAEkyIn.jpg

Kevin Bonham
19-07-2014, 11:46 AM
I can always follow the Olympiad events when and if they take place online!

Sometimes the Olympiad itself is one of the worst places to follow the Olympiad. Certainly the case in Istanbul with the internet problems at the hotel Australia were at.

Chessbase here: http://en.chessbase.com/post/chess-olympiad-without-the-russian-women is now reporting:

" In this connection, on 4 June, the RCF asked the Olympiad Organising Committee of officially to extend the registration deadline, explaining that the delay was due to a valid reason: the RCF was waiting for Lagno’s transfer to be completed and intended to register the team in its full lineup. The request went unanswered."

If this is true then it is unacceptable that the RCF did not make this request before 1 June. It is not a reason to prevent them from playing but they should be fined.

Karpov has come down very strongly on the side of FIDE. No huge surprise there; I was hearing around the start of the year that Karpov had become estranged from the current Kasparov push.

ER
19-07-2014, 01:24 PM
Karpov has come down very strongly on the side of FIDE. No huge surprise there; I was hearing around the start of the year that Karpov had become estranged from the current Kasparov push.

Thanks Kevin. Don't you find it a bit strange that no active top GM has taken a stand on this matter? I mean if we had a combined statement by Carlsen, Anand, Aronian etc on the matter we'd know what the players think about all this. Looks like rocking the (sinking) boat is not their priority!

Kevin Bonham
19-07-2014, 01:33 PM
Thanks Kevin. Don't you find it a bit strange that no active top GM has taken a stand on this matter? I mean if we had a combined statement by Carlsen, Anand, Aronian etc on the matter we'd know what the players think about all this. Looks like rocking the (sinking) boat is not their priority!

It has come to a head very recently but it will be interesting to see if any of these comment. I had a look but only found evidence that Arianne Caoili is appearing on some kind of Armenian TV dancing show in the process.

ER
19-07-2014, 05:24 PM
As sited by Shaun Press on Face Book

http://www.chess.com/news/delegate-issues-deepen-for-fide-elections-6742

ER
19-07-2014, 05:32 PM
BTW Kev, how come Kasparov (not that he 's got any chance to win the election) hasn't included an Australian candidate in his Asia Rising team?
I see New Zealand being represented amongst other countries and good luck to Ms Milligan!

ER
19-07-2014, 05:37 PM
... Karpov has come down very strongly on the side of FIDE. No huge surprise there; I was hearing around the start of the year that Karpov had become estranged from the current Kasparov push.

No surprise here either, as Mr Putin needs to have a formidable replacement just in case Mr Illumzhinov falls from grace or disgrace or what have you!

Kevin Bonham
19-07-2014, 05:39 PM
BTW Kev, how come Kasparov (not that he 's got any chance to win the election) hasn't included an Australian candidate in his Asia Rising team?

No idea how they formed their ticket. Don't recall us being approached.

heligan
19-07-2014, 09:40 PM
Team Asia was carefully created by Team Kasparov to cover as much of the Continent as possible. An Oceania member was needed, and there was a requirement for at least one member to be female. I was approached personally (not through my Federation). I don't know who else was approached or whether anyone had refused the offer before I was asked.

(And Elliott, it's Dr Milligan! I put in lots of effort to avoid the Miss/Ms/Mrs dilemma!)

Rincewind
19-07-2014, 09:52 PM
(And Elliott, it's Dr Milligan! I put in lots of effort to avoid the Miss/Ms/Mrs dilemma!)

Isn't that a trilemma? :)

heligan
19-07-2014, 09:58 PM
You are correct. In fact it did occur to me that dilemma was wrong but I was not in time to update it before I was caught!

ER
19-07-2014, 10:13 PM
(And Elliott, it's Dr Milligan! I put in lots of effort to avoid the Miss/Ms/Mrs dilemma!)

ok helen

Carl Gorka
20-07-2014, 11:14 PM
I can't help feeling this Olympiad is cursed :( (http://gorkachc.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/what-in-chess-world.html)

MichaelBaron
21-07-2014, 01:45 AM
Karpov is memeber of theRussian parliament. The very fact that he is in the Russian parliament makes him a prostitute (just like all other members of the Russian parliament). He states and claims whatever he is required. He may privately Prefer Kasparov over Illumzhinov but publicly has to support whoever the Russian authorities support.

Kevin Bonham
21-07-2014, 10:42 AM
I can't help feeling this Olympiad is cursed :( (http://gorkachc.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/what-in-chess-world.html)

Regarding this bit:


The third scenario that I've heard suggested is the FIDE President uses his executive powers to over rule the Olympiad organisers and allow the Russian women's team, and of course any other precluded teams to compete.

...that has actually already happened but the organisers are still resisting.

The organisers are going to make a further announcement by this evening Australian time.

Kevin Bonham
21-07-2014, 09:23 PM
Not surprisingly the organisers have folded on the exclusion, but the folding comes with a few barbs.

Firstly they allege that Israel Gelfer confirmed to them that teams that hadn't registered could not play.

Secondly they note:


COT2014 will do its utmost to solve the logistical challenges, and will seek FIDE
approval regarding the accommodation arrangements for the teams for which this
decision applies.

Sounds like Kateryna and co could be commuting daily from Finland or somewhere like that. :lol:

Garvinator
21-07-2014, 09:28 PM
Sounds like Kateryna and co could be commuting daily from Finland or somewhere like that. :lol:Will probably be staying with the arbiters, or somewhere even more far flung. And responsible for their own transport. So if their late, too bad.

Kevin Bonham
21-07-2014, 09:40 PM
Will probably be staying with the arbiters, or somewhere even more far flung. And responsible for their own transport. So if their late, too bad.

Or they could be camping on top of the mountain and coming down by cable-car.

Mountain might have snow on it even in summer from what I hear of the forecast.

MichaelBaron
22-07-2014, 12:45 AM
I won't be surprised if Fide will fall apart soon.

Craig_Hall
22-07-2014, 01:51 PM
I won't be surprised if Fide will fall apart soon.

Possibly, or split into two.

Agent Smith
22-07-2014, 06:39 PM
Yes - it's been a debacle, and Kirsan and Putin are very much on the nose.
If Kirsan does manage to win the presidency again (with or without the disputed delegates),
maybe the chess elite will take some action ?

Kevin Bonham
22-07-2014, 06:55 PM
^^^
(above three posts) A lot of this has been said before. Chess players are not that activist. If Kirsan wins comfortably I doubt that anything much will change.

Hasimir
24-07-2014, 11:52 AM
^^^
(above three posts) A lot of this has been said before. Chess players are not that activist. If Kirsan wins comfortably I doubt that anything much will change.

Which is why those of us who are politically active very rarely take anything said by anyone in the chess world on political matters at all seriously. Kirsan Ilyumzhinov is the biggest impediment to the benefit of chess.

MichaelBaron
24-07-2014, 12:11 PM
^^^
(above three posts) A lot of this has been said before. Chess players are not that activist. If Kirsan wins comfortably I doubt that anything much will change.

Chess players are like prostitutes. Look at Karjakin and Lakhno - at the time of their country fighting to keep its land, they are happy to play for the agressor for 20-40k. Disgraceful

Vlad
24-07-2014, 02:14 PM
Look at a mirror, Michael. What do you see??

MichaelBaron
28-07-2014, 10:41 AM
Look at a mirror, Michael. What do you see??

Vlad, I certainly would not change my citizenship for money. I am Australian citizen but I do not hold dual citizenship, Russian citizenship - I do not want. Putin - I do not like. My sources in Russian chess circles (pretty reliable ones) are telling me that both Karjakin and Lahno agreed to play for Russia due to the financial incentives offered. So may be you can look in the mirror instead, as a Russian citizen - how can you are in Australia at this difficult time for your country? :).

On a broader scale, I see that many of the worlds' top players do not even care how corrupt Illumsinov's regime is as long as they get some tournaments to play in.

P.S. My dislike for the ''russian ways of living'' is not relevant to this topic, but a just a little observation of mine that explains my dislike for the ''mother Russia''. I have been jogging/going for walks for years. While running in Australian, American (and I am not a big fan of the USA and the American government either) or UK parks whenever I encounter fellow joggers or walkers, they smile and say hello even though they are seeing me for the first time in their lives. In Russia, it never happened. Instead some people gave me suspicious looks ''where is this guy running?'' ''why is he running?'' etc. :).

soupman_2
01-08-2014, 10:54 PM
Oz Team Pictures
Farewell Politken - onwards to Tromso
http://www.davidsmerdon.com/

Olympiad Teams
http://chess-results.com/tnr140381.aspx?lan=0&art=34&fed=AUS&flag=30&wi=821

Official Olympiad 2014 Homepage
https://chess24.com/en/olympiad2014

Kaitlin
02-08-2014, 09:57 AM
Mountain might have snow on it even in summer from what I hear of the forecast.

In spite of its location in Norway, Tromsø enjoys a moderate oceanic climate. At this time of year the city is graced by the Midnight Sun and daylight around the clock. It will soon start to get gradually darker every night – but you will still get to experience those bright summer nights in August. The temperatures range from 10.8°C at night to 24.5°C during the day (average: 11.9°C).

Kevin Bonham
02-08-2014, 01:07 PM
Aus open team are seeded 60th and play US Virgin Islands (146) in round 1:

1 FM Van Rensselaer William 1908 ISV
2 CM Massana Jorge 2180 ISV
3 Creswell Reece 1645 ISV
4 Mongiello Anthony 1580 ISV
5 Smith Michael 1560 ISV

Aus women's team are seeded 51st and play Kenya (118)

118. KEN (RtgAvg:1332, Captain:Singe Phillip Mbawala)
Bo. Name Rtg FED
1 Jumba Gloria 1507 KEN
2 WCM Wambugu Jane Wanjiru 1530 KEN
3 WCM Shah Riya 1289 KEN
4 Winfred Thitu 0 KEN
5 Wabuti Rose 0 KEN

Desmond
02-08-2014, 02:58 PM
Looks like the games will start at 10pm eastern australia time.

soupman_2
02-08-2014, 05:10 PM
2643
Source: Chessbomb (http://www.chessbomb.com/)

MichaelBaron
03-08-2014, 03:28 AM
The result of Australia vs Virgins is shown as 3-1 on the website but Smerdon's result must have been entered incorrectly as in the final position it is his opponent who should be resigning.

MichaelBaron
03-08-2014, 03:29 AM
New Zealand won 4-0

Hasimir
03-08-2014, 07:37 AM
Chess players are like prostitutes. Look at Karjakin and Lakhno - at the time of their country fighting to keep its land, they are happy to play for the agressor for 20-40k. Disgraceful

No need to disparage sex workers with comparisons like that. Those guys sound more like mercenaries.

Hasimir
03-08-2014, 07:40 AM
The result of Australia vs Virgins is shown as 3-1 on the website but Smerdon's result must have been entered incorrectly as in the final position it is his opponent who should be resigning.

Yeah, I emailed chess24 about that and smacked them around with a clue-by-four, they appear to have fixed it now. They did try to blame it on the event staff ... until I pointed out that argument would only work if other sites had the same false data, then showed them they didn't. ;)

Kevin Bonham
03-08-2014, 08:58 AM
Wow. Aus open play the defending champions:

1 GM Aronian Levon 2805 ARM
2 GM Sargissian Gabriel 2686 ARM
3 GM Movsesian Sergei 2672 ARM
4 GM Akopian Vladimir 2655 ARM
5 GM Kotanjian Tigran 2500 ARM

Aus women play 3. Ukraine:

1 GM Muzychuk Anna 2555 UKR
2 IM Muzychuk Mariya 2530 UKR
3 GM Ushenina Anna 2487 UKR
4 GM Zhukova Natalia 2468 UKR
5 IM Gaponenko Inna 2379 UKR

I'll be in a plane while most of this is on.

Rincewind
03-08-2014, 10:51 AM
Tough round. Best of luck to the Australian players.

Movsesian had a lucky first round escape so perhaps he will not be so lucky in the second.

MichaelBaron
03-08-2014, 11:03 AM
Will be exciting if Smerdon gets to play Aronian

soupman_2
03-08-2014, 11:25 AM
Apparently Armenia, defending champions and our next opponents in the Open, got a couple of scares from the Japan team:

Excerpt from the Olympiad Daily Bulletin:
'The match of the day in the Open section had to be the inspired resistance given by team Japan against highly rated, and perennial Olympiad champions, Armenia. The final result was another 4-0 whitewash by a favorite - but at one point the match had the makings of a literal whitewash, with all players with the black pieces under heavy pressure. Most heartbreaking for the underdogs was the missing of a forced mate by FIDE Master Shinya Kojima, who cracked in time pressure after a violent hunt for highly rated GM Sergei Movsesian's head."

This suggests that they will be more wary tonight. I am really looking forward to the clash - might not get much sleep. Come on Aussies - bring your A game!

Round 2 pairings
http://chess-results.com/tnr140380.aspx?lan=1&art=2&rd=2&flag=30&wi=821

News Flash: Aussie women play Ukraine!

Kerry Stead
03-08-2014, 02:48 PM
Yeah, I emailed chess24 about that and smacked them around with a clue-by-four, they appear to have fixed it now. They did try to blame it on the event staff ... until I pointed out that argument would only work if other sites had the same false data, then showed them they didn't. ;)

I strongly suspect it was either the players or match arbiter who got things wrong - the same error was in the PGN file posted on Chessbase (at least early versions if it has been updated since) & I suspect part of the delay in posting to other sites like TWIC was to allow time to correct errors such as this before publishing a file.

Hasimir
03-08-2014, 04:31 PM
I strongly suspect it was either the players or match arbiter who got things wrong - the same error was in the PGN file posted on Chessbase (at least early versions if it has been updated since) & I suspect part of the delay in posting to other sites like TWIC was to allow time to correct errors such as this before publishing a file.

I don't think so. Mainly because chessbomb.com did not have the error at the same time, unless they're manually error correcting the entire tournament and I doubt that. It's more likely that chessbase sourced their data from ches24, who are clearly the official partner/broadcaster, while chessbomb did not.

Anyway, while trying to pass the buck, chess24 said I should contact the tournament organisers directly. So I did and requested a live PGN feed for auditing and error checking. I doubt it'll be granted, but it'll be interesting to see what their response is.

Agent Smith
03-08-2014, 10:15 PM
This guy came-out swinging for Grischuk !

The PGN for Smerdon's game looks unusual too. Could someone post the correct

[Event "WCO2014"]
[Site "Tromso"]
[Date "2014.08.02"]
[Round "1.25"]
[White "Basil Alshouha"]
[Black "Grischuk Alexander"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2135"]
[BlackElo "2795"]


1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Bc4 Nf6 5.Qe2 Nc6 6.c3 Bg4 7.cxd4 Nxd4 8.Bxf7+ Kxf7 9.Qc4+ Ne6 10.Ng5+ Ke8 11.Nxe6 Rc8 12.Qa4+ Qd7 13.Qxd7+ Nxd7 14.Nxg7+ Bxg7 15.Nd2 Ne5 16.f3 Bd7 0-1

siow, weng nian
03-08-2014, 10:39 PM
Smerdon - Aronian, Aronian plays the Black Lion and this Variation is called The Lion's Den by Jery van Rekom and Leo Jansen.
Smerdon plays 9 0-0-0 taking it into sideline but Aronian responded correctly with 9…Kc7. Now Smerdon plays 10 Nf3 and van Rekom cites Jacek Gdanski-Bogomil Andono, Naleczow 1988 where Black plays 10 Nfd7. Aronian plays 10…Bd6.

Fedge
03-08-2014, 11:01 PM
The Ragozin variation from Moulthun's game was covered in the first issue of 50 Moves Magazine, where the stem game was Carlsen - Movsesian. Movsesian is playing Max on the board next to them today!

MichaelBaron
04-08-2014, 01:15 AM
So far, Smerdon and Ikeda both appear to be losing but Illingworth appears to be winning!

MichaelBaron
04-08-2014, 03:31 AM
Wow, things did change around a bit!
Also, women managed to score 2 draws against Ukraine - a great result

Ian CCC
04-08-2014, 03:37 AM
Round 2 against Armenia. Fantastic draws by Smerdon against Aronian (2805) and Illingworth against Movsesian (2672). Illingworth was winning, but couldn't find his way in complications. Bad luck for Ly who was equal for most of the game, but couldn't hold a tricky ending.

Hasimir
04-08-2014, 04:13 AM
This guy came-out swinging for Grischuk !

The PGN for Smerdon's game looks unusual too. Could someone post the correct


This is what I got from TWIC:

[Event "41st Olympiad 2014"]
[Site "Tromso NOR"]
[Date "2014.08.02"]
[Round "1.59"]
[White "Smerdon, David"]
[Black "Van Rensselaer, William"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "1908"]
[BlackFideId "6800165"]
[BlackTeam "US Virgin Isles"]
[BlackTitle "FM"]
[Board "1"]
[ECO "B10"]
[EventDate "2014.08.02"]
[Opening "Scandinavian gambit"]
[WhiteElo "2513"]
[WhiteFideId "3202305"]
[WhiteTeam "Australia"]
[WhiteTitle "GM"]

1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.Nc3 cxd5 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Bb5 e6 8.O-O Bd6 9.d4 O-O 10.Re1 Qa5 11.Bd3 Nxc3 12.bxc3 Qxc3 13.Rb1 Nxd4 14.Nxd4 Kh8 15.Nb5 Qc6 16.Be4 Rd8 17.Bxc6 1-0

And this is what came from FIDE:

[Event "WCO2014"]
[Site "Tromso"]
[Date "2014.08.02"]
[Round "1.5"]
[White "Smerdon David"]
[Black "Van Rensselaer William"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "1908"]
[BlackID "6800165"]
[ECO "B10"]
[LiveChessVersion "1.4.3"]
[WhiteElo "2513"]
[WhiteID "3202305"]

1.e4 { [%clk 1:30:54] } 1...d5 { [%clk 1:30:52] } 2.exd5 { [%clk 1:30:23] } 2...Nf6 { [%clk 1:31:10] } 3.c4 { [%clk 1:25:00] } 3...c6 { [%clk 1:30:31] } 4.Nc3 { [%clk 1:25:25] } 4...cxd5 { [%clk 1:28:47] } 5.cxd5 { [%clk 1:25:33] } 5...Nxd5 { [%clk 1:22:45] } 6.Nf3 { [%clk 1:25:40] } 6...Nc6 { [%clk 1:18:15] } 7.Bb5 { [%clk 1:26:02] } 7...e6 { [%clk 1:01:44] } 8.O-O { [%clk 1:25:35] } 8...Bd6 { [%clk 0:58:17] } 9.d4 { [%clk 1:24:10] } 9...O-O { [%clk 0:57:06] } 10.Re1 { [%clk 1:23:27] } 10...Qa5 { [%clk 0:42:07] } 11.Bd3 { [%clk 1:17:58] } 11...Nxc3 { [%clk 0:38:20] } 12.bxc3 { [%clk 1:16:20] } 12...Qxc3 { [%clk 0:36:27] } 13.Rb1 { [%clk 1:15:14] } 13...Nxd4 { [%clk 0:26:21] } 14.Nxd4 { [%clk 1:14:49] } 14...Kh8 { [%clk 0:16:01] } 15.Nb5 { [%clk 1:13:52] } 15...Qc6 { [%clk 0:14:22] } 16.Be4 { [%clk 1:13:37] } 16...Rd8 { [%clk 0:06:19] } 17.Bxc6 { [%clk 1:08:03] } 1-0

Adamski
04-08-2014, 08:43 AM
Well done both Australian teams!

Max Illingworth
04-08-2014, 08:52 AM
My Olympiad newsletters for those of you who have donated $50 to the Olympiad Appeal are now coming out on a daily basis - I just sent out today's one for Round 2.

Agent Smith
04-08-2014, 09:04 AM
Wow, things did change around a bit!
Also, women managed to score 2 draws against Ukraine - a great result

Hmmmm.. +0-2=2 losses for both mens and womens.

Thu Giang just couldnt finish of Ushenina!

[Event "WCO2014"]
[Site "Tromso"]
[Date "2014.08.03"]
[Round "2.14"]
[White "Nguyen Thu Giang"]
[Black "Ushenina Anna"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2165"]
[BlackElo "2487"]
[ECO "B31"]
[WhiteID "12400980"]
[BlackID "14110911"]
[LiveChessVersion "1.4.3"]
[Annotator "Critter 1.6a 64-bit"]
[Depth "17"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 g6 4.O-O Bg7 5.Re1 e5 6.c3 Nge7 7.d3 O-O 8.Be3 d6 9.h3 a6 10.Ba4 b5 11.Bc2 Qc7 12.a4 Rb8 13.Na3 f5 14.Bb3+ Kh8 15.axb5 axb5 16.Ng5 Nd8 17.Rc1 h6 18.Nf3 Ne6 19.Ba2 Qb7 20.Bb1 Bd7 21.b4 Ra8 22.Nc2 f4 23.Bd2 Bc6 24.Nh2 Rfe8 25.Qe2 Qa7 26.Ng4 Rad8 27.Rcd1 Bb7 28.d4 cxd4 29.cxd4 exd4 30.Qxb5 Ba6 31.Qa4 h5 32.Nh2 Qb7 33.Na3 Rb8 34.Ba2 Nc6
( 34...Qc6 35.Qa5 Bc8 36.b5 Qb7 37.Bxe6 Bxe6 38.Bxf4 Ra8 39.Qb4 d5 40.e5 Nf5 41.Nc2 Bf8 42.Qb1 Ra4 43.Bg5 Bd7 44.Nf3 Bxb5 45.Ncxd4 )
35.Bd5 Ned8 36.Rc1 Ra8
( 36...Bd3 37.Bxc6 Nxc6 38.Qxc6 Qxc6 39.Rxc6 g5 40.f3 Be5 41.Rec1 Ra8 42.Nc4 Bxc4 43.R6xc4 Kg7 44.b5 Reb8 45.Rb4 d3 46.Nf1 Kf6 47.Kf2 Ra2 48.b6 Ke6 )
37.Bxc6
( 37.b5 Bxb5 38.Qxb5 Rxa3 39.Qxb7 Nxb7 40.Rxc6 Be5 41.Rb1 Nc5 42.Nf3 Rxf3 43.gxf3 Kg7 44.Rc7+ Kh6 45.h4 Ne6 46.Ra7 g5 47.hxg5+ Nxg5 48.Ra3 Kg6 49.Kg2 h4 50.Rg1 Rb8 51.Rb3 Rxb3 52.Bxb3 d3 )
37...Nxc6 38.Qxc6 Qxc6 39.Rxc6 Bb7 40.Rc7 Bxe4 41.Nc4 Bf8 42.Bxf4 d3 43.Nf1 Re6 44.Bd2 Kg8 45.Rb1 d5 46.Na5 d4 47.Nb7
( 47.Re1 Bd5 48.Rxe6 Bxe6 49.Nc6 Bd6 50.Rb7 Kf8 51.Nxd4 Bc4 52.Rd7 Be5 53.Nf3 Bf6 54.Ne3 Bb5 55.Rd5 Rb8 56.Ne5 Bxe5 57.Rxe5 Kf7 58.Nd5 Re8 59.Rxe8 Bxe8 )
47...Rb6 48.Na5 Rxa5 49.Re1 Re5 50.f3 Bxb4 51.fxe4 Bf8 52.Rd7 Rbe6 53.Rc1 Rxe4 54.Rc8 Re8 55.Rc6 R8e6 56.Rc8 Re8 57.Rc6 R8e6 58.Rc8
( 58.Rc8 Re8 )
1/2-1/2

Capablanca-Fan
04-08-2014, 11:47 AM
My Olympiad newsletters for those of you who have donated $50 to the Olympiad Appeal are now coming out on a daily basis - I just sent out today's one for Round 2.

Very good they are too.

Kevin Bonham
04-08-2014, 02:00 PM
Hmmmm.. +0-2=2 losses for both mens and womens.

Very respectable.

soupman_2
04-08-2014, 06:24 PM
3. Runde am 04.08.2014 um 14:00 (10 pm AEST)
Br. 104 El Salvador (ESA) Elo - 60 Australia (AUS) Elo 0 : 0
34.1 IM Arias, Lemnys A. 2329 - GM Smerdon, David 2513
34.2 FM Arias, Daniel 2126 - IM Illingworth, Max 2439
34.3 IM Burgos Figueroa, Carlos E. 2258 - FM Ikeda, Junta 2402
34.4 CM Giron, Jorge Ernesto 2103 - FM Smirnov, Anton 2334

3. Runde am 04.08.2014 um 14:00 (10 pm AEST)
Br. 51 Australia (AUS) Elo - 82 Monaco (MNC) Elo 0 : 0
28.1 IM Berezina, Irina 2182 - WIM Lebel-Arias, Julia 1859
28.2 WFM Nguyen, Thu Giang 2165 - WCM Chung, Mathilde 1981
28.3 WIM Guo, Emma 2044 - Levacic, Melissa 1994
28.4 Yu, Sally 1953 - Grillon, Charline 1734

Desmond
04-08-2014, 07:55 PM
Round 2 against Armenia. Fantastic draws by Smerdon against Aronian (2805) and Illingworth against Movsesian (2672). Illingworth was winning, but couldn't find his way in complications. Bad luck for Ly who was equal for most of the game, but couldn't hold a tricky ending.Impressive. Most impressive. :clap:

Carl Gorka
04-08-2014, 08:34 PM
Great effort by Australian's, and fantastic to see 2 GM's slogging out a Fried Liver (http://gorkachc.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/olympiad-coverage.html). Of course, it had to be Shirov :D

Kevin Bonham
04-08-2014, 10:51 PM
Finally made it here (40 hours, 6 airports, and after going out to a gig rather than sleeping the night before!).

This was the view out my window an hour or so ago. It now has a rather large red and white cruise ship, the Nordnorge, occupying a large chunk of it.

I'm up on the 8th floor. Might go see the venue soon.

2645

MichaelBaron
05-08-2014, 12:59 AM
1-1 against Salvador so far..and heading towards 2-2. Smerdon is winning and Ikeda is losing. Sad blunder by Illingworth in a winning position.

Adamski
05-08-2014, 08:12 AM
Thanks for the pic, Kevin. Enjoy your stay in Tromso.

soupman_2
05-08-2014, 10:06 AM
Giri mentioned that Nakamura "played the opening as if he had never seen the Sicilian before"
Source: Chessbase (http://en.chessbase.com/post/tromso-03-champions-fall)

soupman_2
05-08-2014, 11:12 AM
2649
Source: Peter Wells Interview (https://chess24.com/en/olympiad2014/interviews/peter-wells-on-the-england-team-in-tromso)

pax
05-08-2014, 12:49 PM
It's great to see Sadler back playing serious stuff again. England finally has a team which is completely 2650+. They normally have a much weaker player on board five, since the drop after the first five or six players is sharp. I wonder why Luke McShane isn't playing? He seemed to hit 2700 a couple of years ago, then he dropped off in activity quite a lot.

AzureBlue
05-08-2014, 01:04 PM
I read somewhere that since he's not a professional chess player, he finds it too difficult to take time off work for more than 1-2 tourneys a year.
https://chess24.com/en/olympiad2014/interviews/peter-wells-on-the-england-team-in-tromso

flushfyre
05-08-2014, 04:06 PM
Both Australian teams (and NZ teams to a lesser extent) playing below ratings in round 3.

soupman_2
05-08-2014, 04:24 PM
Our next opponents in the Open are the International Chess Committee of the Deaf (ICCD).

They beat the more highly rated Mentenegro 3-1 in Rd 2 (correction: they drew 2-2) and then lost 1-3 to Paraguay in Rd 3. Their usual second board, IM Duilo Collutiis (2463), has had wins in all three rounds, including two wins against GMs.

2653
Source: Olympiad Teams (http://chess-results.com/tnr140380.aspx?lan=0&art=34&fed=AUS&flag=30&wi=821)

soupman_2
05-08-2014, 06:18 PM
2654

Source: https://chess24.com/en/olympiad2014/photos

Geelong Grizzle
05-08-2014, 07:38 PM
Well, good old Coollio Duilio won't be winning in Round 4, because we won't be telling him the starting time.

Sir Cromulent Sparkles
05-08-2014, 08:46 PM
Brett seems to be a very popular name these days. ;)

I wonder which one of the Brett's will win in round 4 ?

Sir Cromulent Sparkles
05-08-2014, 09:16 PM
Soupy, the ICCD drew with Montenegro 2-2.

soupman_2
05-08-2014, 10:11 PM
"It was a little intimidating at various points in my game with Lev (Aronian) to look up from my concentration and see, sequentially, Kasparov, Carlsen and Kramnik watching on."
From David Smerdon's blog. (http://www.davidsmerdon.com/?p=1565)

Agent Smith
05-08-2014, 10:21 PM
:)
Must be one of the highlights of the year.

David
"If you can draw with Aronian from the exchange down, you’ll definitely have no problems against Magnus!”
That was Aussie GM Ian Rogers’ comment after my game with Levon Aronian.

[Event "WCO2014"]
[Site "Tromso"]
[Date "2014.08.03"]
[Round "2.5"]
[White "Smerdon David"]
[Black "Aronian Levon"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2513"]
[BlackElo "2805"]
[ECO "B07"]
[WhiteID "3202305"]
[BlackID "13300474"]
[LiveChessVersion "1.4.3"]

1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nbd7 4.f4 e5 5.fxe5 dxe5 6.dxe5 Nxe5 7.Qxd8+ Kxd8 8.Bg5 c6 9.O-O-O+ Kc7 10.Nf3 Bd6 11.Be2 Nxf3 12.gxf3 Nh5 13.Rxd6 Kxd6 14.Rd1+ Kc7 15.Be7 b6 16.f4 g6 17.b4 a6 18.a4 Kb7 19.Bxh5 gxh5 20.f5 Re8 21.Bf6 Ra7 22.a5 bxa5 23.bxa5 Kb8 24.Rd6 Rd7 25.Rxc6 Bb7 26.Rb6 Ka8 27.Rb4 Rc7 28.Nd5 Bxd5 29.exd5 Rec8 30.c3 Rd7
( 30...Rxc3+ 31.Bxc3 Rxc3+ 32.Kd2 )
31.Rb6 Rxd5 32.Rxa6+ Kb7 33.Rb6+ Ka7 34.Kc2 Rxa5 35.Bd4 Ka8 36.Rf6 Rc7 37.Kd3 Re7 38.h4 Kb7 39.Kc4 Rc7+ 40.Kd3 Re7 41.Kc4 Rd7 42.Rb6+ Kc8 43.Rf6 Re7 44.Kb4 Rd5 45.Kc4 Red7 46.Rc6+ Kb7 47.Rb6+ Kc7 48.Rf6 h6 49.Be3 Rd3 50.Bd4 Rf3 51.Kc5 Re7 52.Kd5 Kc8 53.Be5 Kd7 54.Rb6 f6 55.Rxf6
( 55.Bxf6 Rxf5+ 56.Kd4 Re6 57.Rxe6 Kxe6 58.Bg7 )
55...Ke8 56.Bd4 Rf4 57.Kd6 Rb7 58.Re6+ Kf8 59.Ke5 Rxh4 60.Rxh6 Kg7 61.Rg6+ Kh7 62.Rg5 Rg7 63.Kf6 Rg8 64.Rxg8 Kxg8 65.Kg5 Rh2 66.Be5 Rh3 67.Bd4 Rh2 68.Be5 Rh1 69.Bd4 h4 70.Kg4 Kf7 71.Bf2 h3 72.Bd4 1/2-1/2

Carl Gorka
05-08-2014, 10:30 PM
Go Aussies :) (http://gorkachc.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/olympiad-inspiration.html)

Kevin Bonham
06-08-2014, 01:47 AM
Aus women 4-0 Jamaica.

soupman_2
06-08-2014, 01:15 PM
Rd 5 Italy versus the Aussies
It's time to get serious, lads.
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Italy got touched up by Turkey. They will be hurting and focused. We've bobbed up the table again after crushing ICCD. Italy will be out to push our heads back down under those freezing Norwegian waters. This is show time, as in "show us what you've got"!

Kevin Bonham
06-08-2014, 03:22 PM
On my first night here managed to get a free ticket to the Arctic Philharmonic production of Chess: The Musical. Very large orchestra, about 80 piece plus one rock guitarist, 40ish person choir, cast and conductor. The conductor was a jolly fellow with a long ponytail who even strapped on an accordion for one song. For those familiar with the record version (which I was) it was basically the same plus a few extra narrative snippets to explain what the hell is going on and three extra songs which mainly give a more prominent role to some of the characters in the original. It was performed inside a huge stadium which still got very hot because of the crowd size; I resisted the temptation (actually there wasn't any) to pay $16 equivalent for a cider. Much is said about the prices here but I guess we Australians are just getting a taste of what happens when people from cheaper countries come to Aus. Anyway the most amusing thing observed by Tromso Price Watch (run by me) so far was $22 for a takeaway kebab.

I am in commission meetings most of the time and only sporadically run across team members in the hotel. Saw Kerry Stead while walking through town last night. The arbiters hotel is not only distant from the venue but also has no shops and so on around it.

Kevin Bonham
07-08-2014, 12:24 AM
Caruana didn't come out to play. Protecting his rating after what happened to Aronian against us. :lol:

Kevin Bonham
07-08-2014, 12:28 AM
Free entry to Bermuda party tonight - for both genders for a change. :clap::clap:

(Not sure what the beer price will be like. Also doubt I'm going but nice to see the sexist entry policy of the past not maintained.)

MichaelBaron
07-08-2014, 12:45 AM
Things are not looking good for Australia so far.
Only Smerdon's position appears to be good.

Kevin Bonham
07-08-2014, 02:05 AM
Italy 3-1 Australia. Anton was winning but opponent escaped in time trouble and drew.

Kevin Bonham
07-08-2014, 02:50 AM
Latvia (W) - Australia (W) 2.5-1.5. Respectable result.

Kramnik beat Topalov in a game which started without a handshake.

Kevin Bonham
07-08-2014, 03:23 AM
I now know this place gets thunderstorms!

MichaelBaron
07-08-2014, 02:15 PM
Italy 3-1 Australia. Anton was winning but opponent escaped in time trouble and drew.

So far, Smerdon and Smirnov are by far the best Australian performers.

Kevin Bonham
09-08-2014, 02:32 AM
Aus teams have won against weaker teams Botswana and Norway 2. Should be 3.5-0.5 and about 3-1 (+/- half a point) respectively

Tony Dowden
09-08-2014, 02:07 PM
I'm wondering what Anton's live rating is? It must be about 2390 or, in other words, very close to the 2400 threshold for an IM title (with the requisite norms). I think I am right to say he has two IM norms, which means he would nail an IM title if he keeps playing at the current level (+4=1-0 at around 2450 perf thus far) and gets another IM norm.

Bill Gletsos
09-08-2014, 04:10 PM
I'm wondering what Anton's live rating is? It must be about 2390 or, in other words, very close to the 2400 threshold for an IM title (with the requite norms). I think I am right to say he has two IM norms, which means he would nail an IM title if he keeps playing at the current level (+4=1-0 at around 2450 perf thus far) and gets another IM norm.He has the required 3 norms having got his third just before the Olympiad in the Poliitiken Cup.

Tony Dowden
09-08-2014, 07:22 PM
He has the required 3 norms having got his third just before the Olympiad in the Poliitiken Cup. Oh, that's right Bill! So 2400 beckons!

pax
09-08-2014, 11:31 PM
I'm wondering what Anton's live rating is? It must be about 2390 or, in other words, very close to the 2400 threshold for an IM title (with the requisite norms). I think I am right to say he has two IM norms, which means he would nail an IM title if he keeps playing at the current level (+4=1-0 at around 2450 perf thus far) and gets another IM norm.

Good quesion: It looks like he gained 27 points at Politiken, and about 16 so far here which puts him on a live rating of around 2376. He would have to do something pretty spectacular to get to 2400 by the end of the Olympiad, but he might not be too far off.

Kevin Bonham
10-08-2014, 02:53 AM
Open Team - slightly outrated on every board - thrashes Mexico 3.5-0.5. Awesome!

Kevin Bonham
10-08-2014, 03:18 AM
I just heard that people are saying Anton has crossed live 2400 with his win today. pax, you might have missed that Anton's k-factor is now 20 not 15; it may be that chess-results still has the old k-factor for Politiken Cup. If his k is 20 for Politiken and Olympiad I get that he is over.

For events played from 1 July 2014:


8.56

K is the development coefficient.
K = 40 for a player new to the rating list until he has completed events with at least 30 games
K = 20 as long as a player's rating remains under 2400.
K = 10 once a player's published rating has reached 2400 and remains at that level subsequently, even if the rating drops below 2400.
K = 40 for all players until their 18th birthday, as long as their rating remains under 2300.

Kevin Bonham
10-08-2014, 03:29 AM
Aus women's team 2.5-1.5 England! Giang beats IM Jovanka Houska (2401) with black!

Geelong Grizzle
10-08-2014, 03:52 AM
Perhaps they could present Anton with the I.M. title and the Individual Board 4 medal at the same time (not that I'm putting the mockers on him), but he has to be a double chance if he keeps playing this superbly.

Qbert
10-08-2014, 07:48 AM
Open Team - slightly outrated on every board - thrashes Mexico 3.5-0.5. Awesome!

That's a great result :clap::clap::clap:

MichaelBaron
10-08-2014, 10:30 AM
I watched the games online last night. Very impressive play by auzzies. Good to see Ly and Ikeda improving their level of play while Smerdon and Smirnov were still going strongly.

Watto
10-08-2014, 01:44 PM
Aus women's team 2.5-1.5 England! Giang beats IM Jovanka Houska (2401) with black!

Open Team - slightly outrated on every board - thrashes Mexico 3.5-0.5. Awesome!
What a great night. I'm really enjoying the live games coverage. Tough matches tonight against Uzbekistan for the Open Team and Serbia for the Women's Team. Go Aussies! :)

pax
10-08-2014, 03:58 PM
I just heard that people are saying Anton has crossed live 2400 with his win today. pax, you might have missed that Anton's k-factor is now 20 not 15; it may be that chess-results still has the old k-factor for Politiken Cup. If his k is 20 for Politiken and Olympiad I get that he is over.

You're quite right, I had forgotten/missed this (also using the Politiken website calcs which used K=15). Awesome work from Anton. I hope certain critics of his selection are now feeling suitably ashamed.

pax
10-08-2014, 04:02 PM
Perhaps they could present Anton with the I.M. title and the Individual Board 4 medal at the same time (not that I'm putting the mockers on him), but he has to be a double chance if he keeps playing this superbly.

Unfortunately board prizes are now determined by performance rating, so it's highly unlikely an Australian could win one. I don't know which formula is used to calculate the performance ratings: I won't be surprised if its a dodgy one which punishes playing low rated opponents.

pax
10-08-2014, 04:44 PM
Shankland is absolutely on fire for USA, with 6/6. Shame about Kamsky and Akobian...

soupman_2
10-08-2014, 06:27 PM
This news report really captures the tension in the air at Tromso. A great experience for our guys. Channel the energy!

Aug 10, 2014
Round 7: No day to be favorite...

"The decision of national Norwegian TV to showcase the women's event paid off with a dramatic showdown between the big favorites, China and Russia. Russia's new number one, Kateryna Lagno, brutally upset women's world number two Yifan Hou. Elsewhere the Russian men lost, as did Norway, after Magnus Carlsen was downed by Arkadij Naiditsch."

by GMs Jonathan Tisdall (text) and Einar Gausel (chess analysis)
Read No day to be favorite (https://chess24.com/en/olympiad2014/news/round-7-no-day-to-be-favorite)

Even Carlsen tumbled!
"Devastating defeat today, gutted to have ruined a fine defensive performace by our team. Looking to strike back fast as lightning though!" https://www.facebook.com/magnuschess

soupman_2
10-08-2014, 06:32 PM
Uzbekistan versus Aussies
Smerdon with black - can he hold Kasimdzhanov?

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soupman_2
10-08-2014, 06:57 PM
Our women - Irina, Giang, Emma and Biljana - are facing the battle of their lives, as they climb the rankings.

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pax
10-08-2014, 07:09 PM
Uzebkistan have had a sensational tournament so far, until they lost to USA last round. Kasimdzhanov beat Naiditch, Ivanchuk and Kramnik in succession before going down to Nakamura. It's going to be a tough one.

Geelong Grizzle
10-08-2014, 07:12 PM
In the Open, their Board 1 is a bit Rusty, their Board 2 is just that - the second best Anton in both squads, their Board 3 Dzhumaev is only human, and as for Ulugbek their Board 4 - this could get really Uguly!

StokesyRedcliff
10-08-2014, 07:53 PM
I agree with Watto! Go Australia! Go both Australian Teams! What about Carlsen losing last night AND Russia losing in the Open Section last night too! UNBELIEVABLE!

PS THANKS MAX FOR THE GREAT REPORTS SO FAR!

Carl Gorka
10-08-2014, 08:56 PM
Australia performing great...keep it going folks!

Unfortunately not so good for my country of birth. Short is having a bad one...is the Kasparov campaign trail taking its toll on his playing? And I had mixed feelings (http://gorkachc.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/mixed-feelings.html) about the England-Australia match in the women's tournament . Sad for me to see either team lose.

Kevin Bonham
10-08-2014, 10:40 PM
I just played in one of the daily blitz tournaments, which was played on board a boat moored next to the venue. Time limit was 5/0 and pairing system was Norwegian Monrad, whatever that is. Strong tournament with a few GMs and IMs at the top. I started OK with 2/3 (that said my loss in round 1 was a shambles) then had a very good game with an IM in round 4, and then went into my usual decline to finish with a rather poor 3/9, and probably a PR a bit below rating. The locals seem if anything a bit underrated because even the 1500s-1700s players I beat were quite hard work. One incident with GM Roiz and an IM - Roiz claimed illegal move , as he claimed he flagged (his opponent had 1 second) and opponent disputed the illegal move. Outcome: draw agreed.

Kevin Bonham
11-08-2014, 02:57 AM
Serbia (w) 3-1 Australia (w)

Irina defeated IM Bojkovic (2425) but everyone else lost.

soupman_2
11-08-2014, 03:37 AM
A link to David Smerdon's game (http://www.chessbomb.com/arena/2014-olympiad/08-Kasimdzhanov_Rustam-Smerdon_David) with some references to what was happening on other boards at the time.

Agent Smith
11-08-2014, 07:03 AM
After a quick glance, Max had a winning position, but didnt see a draw by rep.

[Event "WCO2014"]
[Site "Tromso"]
[Date "2014.08.10"]
[Round "8.22"]
[White "Dzhumaev Marat"]
[Black "Illingworth Max"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2510"]
[BlackElo "2439"]
[ECO "B91"]
[WhiteID "14200236"]
[BlackID "3205207"]
[LiveChessVersion "1.4.3"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 d6 3.Nge2 Nf6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 a6 6.g3 e5 7.Nb3 Be7 8.Bg2 b5 9.a4 b4 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.Qxd5 Ra7 12.Be3 Be6 13.Qd3 Ra8 14.O-O Nd7 15.f4 exf4 16.gxf4 Bg4 17.Bd4 O-O 18.Qg3 h5 19.h3 Bh4 20.Qd3 Be6 21.Nd2 Nc5 22.Qe2 Rc8 23.f5 Bd7 24.Rad1 Bxa4 25.b3 Bb5 26.Nc4 Nd7 27.e5 dxe5 28.Be3 Qe7 29.Qxh5 Bxc4 30.bxc4 Rxc4 31.Qe2 Rfc8 32.Bd5 Rxc2 33.Qxa6 Bg5 34.Bf2 Bf4 35.Kh1 e4 36.Qg6 Ne5 37.Qh5 Nd3 38.Bg1 Bg5 39.Qg4 Ne5 40.Qxe4 R8c3 41.Bh2 b3 42.f6 Rxh2+ 43.Kxh2 Qc7 44.Kg2 Rc2+ 45.Rf2 Rxf2+ 46.Kxf2 Qc2+ 47.Qe2 Bxf6 48.Be4 Qc3 49.Qe3 Qb4 50.Kg2 g6 51.Rf1 Bg7 52.h4 Ng4 53.Qd3 Qb6 54.Kg3 Nf6 55.Bf3 b2 56.Rd1 Qc7+ 57.Kg2 Qf4 58.Kh3 Nh7 59.Qe4 Qc1 60.Qe1 Bh6 61.Qe8+ Nf8 62.Qb8 Kg7 63.h5 Qc3 64.Kg2 Ne6 65.hxg6 Qc2+
( 65...Nf4+ 66.Kf2 Qc2+ 67.Kf1 Nxg6 68.Qb6 Ne5 69.Qg1+ Kh7 70.Qf2 b1=Q 71.Rxb1 Qxb1+ )
66.Kf1 Be3 67.Qe5+ Kf8 68.Qxe3 b1=Q 69.Qh6+ Ke7 70.Qh4+ Kf8 71.Qh8+ Ke7 72.Qh4+ Kf8 73.Qh8+ Ke7 74.Qh4+ Kf8 75.Qh8+ Ke7 76.Qh4+ Kf8 1/2-1/2

Desmond
11-08-2014, 07:34 AM
Anyone else having issues loading the official site? Even off peak (when the games aren't on - i.e. like now) it takes forever to load.

MichaelBaron
11-08-2014, 11:04 AM
A bit unlucky against Uzbekistan :(

Ian Rout
11-08-2014, 02:24 PM
Anyone else having issues loading the official site? Even off peak (when the games aren't on - i.e. like now) it takes forever to load.
I find that it takes a few seconds, and clearly longer than most web sites take - not so long as to be a worry, but I can believe that someone on a slow connection would either time out or at least be able to go and make a cup of tea.

Geelong Grizzle
11-08-2014, 04:58 PM
What about a 10 minute walk down to 7-11 and get back just in time to see it loading?

Great fighting performance on every board - unlucky that Max didn't win, but it was a tricky middle game - ending.

soupman_2
11-08-2014, 05:47 PM
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soupman_2
11-08-2014, 06:02 PM
http://chess-results.com/tnr140380.aspx?lan=1&art=21&flag=30&wi=821

On "Board 5", Shankland (USA) is 1; Judit Polgar (Hun) is 9; and Anton Smirnov (Aus) is 17!

soupman_2
11-08-2014, 06:23 PM
Not that it's a competition or anything, but who will win the points battle, the guys or the gals? Both are on 9 points at the moment.

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Desmond
11-08-2014, 07:02 PM
Top seed Russia sitting on =19th!

MichaelBaron
11-08-2014, 07:58 PM
Top seed Russia sitting on =19th!

Actually, they have not won the ollimpiad for many years!

Geelong Grizzle
11-08-2014, 08:34 PM
MEN versus WOMEN

WOMEN - 9 match points, 19.5 individual points lead the MEN - 9 match points, 18.5 individual points.

Adamski
11-08-2014, 09:01 PM
Must say the newsletters from Max and the team have been excellent!

Desmond
11-08-2014, 09:34 PM
Actually, they have not won the ollimpiad for many years!Yeah but 19th?

Kevin Bonham
11-08-2014, 10:14 PM
Actually, they have not won the ollimpiad for many years!

They are indeed habitual underachievers.

MichaelBaron
12-08-2014, 03:50 AM
Australia overcame Portugal 2.5-1.5!~

Kevin Bonham
12-08-2014, 03:54 AM
Aus women's team down to lower rated Kyrgyzstan unfortunately, 2.5-1.5.

Adamski
12-08-2014, 08:11 AM
Aus women play lower ranked NZ in penultimate round. Go the underdogs!

MichaelBaron
12-08-2014, 10:38 AM
Aus women play lower ranked NZ in penultimate round. Go the underdogs!

I think at least this one, Aus will win :)

MichaelBaron
12-08-2014, 10:43 AM
Aus women's team down to lower rated Kyrgyzstan unfortunately, 2.5-1.5.

Not many Fide rated events in Kirgyzstan so the team could be very underrated.

pax
12-08-2014, 12:46 PM
Australia men paired with Tajikistan, which looks like a match Australia should expect to win. Apart from Amonatov on Board 1, the rest of their team has performed poorly having lost to Indonesia and Mongolia and drawn with Malaysia.



1 GM Amonatov Farrukh 2590 TJK 7.5 9 2636 7.5 6.75 0.75 10 7.5
2 IM Khusenkhojaev Muhammad 2410 TJK 4.0 7 2359 4 4.31 -0.31 10 -3.1
3 IM Isaev Jamshed 2337 TJK 4.0 7 2219 4 4.92 -0.92 10 -9.2
4 IM Khamdamov Suhrob 2301 TJK 4.5 7 2210 2.5 3.22 -0.72 20 -14.4
5 Kabilov Amin 2181 TJK 3.0 6 2121 2 2.52 -0.52 40 -20.8

pax
12-08-2014, 01:35 PM
Team stacking for board prizes is still alive, even with PR based prizes: http://www.chess-results.com/tnr140380.aspx?lan=1&art=20&fed=PLE&flag=30&wi=821

Kevin Bonham
12-08-2014, 03:14 PM
Not many Fide rated events in Kirgyzstan so the team could be very underrated.

Some of them may well be as they were placed well above seeding even before beating us.

Ian Rout
12-08-2014, 03:57 PM
Team stacking for board prizes is still alive, even with PR based prizes: http://www.chess-results.com/tnr140380.aspx?lan=1&art=20&fed=PLE&flag=30&wi=821
I would have thought that with prizes based on performance rating this could only work if you scored 100%, as is happening here. Even given that you are competing with a weaker field than on your true board, that field still includes several decent GMs.

A minor twiddle to the rules, along the lines that you must play, say, three players over 2400 to qualify, would probably fix this nonsense. Though you do wonder about the mentality of someone who would pass up playing on a top board for their country for the sake of a board prize that nobody except their mother will take seriously.

pax
12-08-2014, 05:10 PM
Check out this GM norm performance: rated 2216, scoring 8/9 on board 1 for Cyprus with draws with GMs Zhigalko and Filippov and a win over GM Gonzales. http://www.chess-results.com/tnr140380.aspx?lan=1&art=9&flag=30&wi=821&snr=454

Kevin Bonham
12-08-2014, 07:45 PM
Check out this GM norm performance: rated 2216, scoring 8/9 on board 1 for Cyprus with draws with GMs Zhigalko and Filippov and a win over GM Gonzales. http://www.chess-results.com/tnr140380.aspx?lan=1&art=9&flag=30&wi=821&snr=454

Not surprisingly the player is a teenager (born 1999).

The Olympiad board prize rules don't clearly state how perfect scores are dealt with.

Vlad
12-08-2014, 07:46 PM
It is not a GM norm performance. To make it a GM performance he needs an average rating of 2380. The only way he can get it is if he gets somebody rated 2600+ in the last round and score 1 points from remaining 2 games. So he still has some work to do.

Kevin Bonham
12-08-2014, 07:51 PM
Vlad is correct.

Kevin Bonham
12-08-2014, 08:12 PM
Aus women are now ranked 59th but this is an unlucky bounce as on average they are playing above rating. Today they play ... New Zealand! NZ haven't performed up to rating so far and we obviously outrate them but they will doubtless be motivated for today.

Aus open are placed 48th cf seeding 60. Mostly performing about to rating bar Anton who is performing way above. Today we play Tajikistan who were seeded 67th but are placed 49th. Amonotov on board 1 has been very impressive for them losing only to Gelfand with one draw, and will be a tough test for Moulthun. The rest we outrate slightly and they haven't been playing to rating so here's hoping we can win this match or at least hold it. A win by any margin could set the foundation for a good finish.

Vlad
12-08-2014, 08:34 PM
Amonatov is a well known GM who lives in Moscow. Normally he is rated 2600+. So his performance is more or less consistent with his strength. On the other hand, he is 36 and might be tired by now.

Tony Dowden
12-08-2014, 09:04 PM
Aus women play lower ranked NZ in penultimate round. Go the underdogs!

I believe in miracles but the Kiwis winning is an especially big ask Jonathan!

Avoiding a clean sweep is more realistic ;) Maybe Layla has the talent to achieve something on Bd 4 despite having been up-and-down.

pax
12-08-2014, 09:57 PM
Australia men paired with Tajikistan, which looks like a match Australia should expect to win. Apart from Amonatov on Board 1, the rest of their team has performed poorly having lost to Indonesia and Mongolia and drawn with Malaysia.

It's trickier now with Smerdon resting and Tajik playing top four. I wonder if he is feeling OK?

Vlad
12-08-2014, 10:29 PM
There is a rule in the Olympiad to rest a player who lost in the previous round if he is due to play black.

Capablanca-Fan
12-08-2014, 10:47 PM
Amonatov is a well known GM who lives in Moscow. Normally he is rated 2600+. So his performance is more or less consistent with his strength. On the other hand, he is 36 and might be tired by now.

Three of the Kiwi open team are in their 40s.

Kevin Bonham
13-08-2014, 03:24 AM
Went to the venue today and fortunately Australia were adjacent to the rope so I could watch. Max had already won when I arrived so I was able to watch the other three finish for a pleasing 3-1 win.

Bijana just apparently missed #2 against NZ (if the moves are correct) but still winning so should be 3.5-0.5 there.

Narelle
13-08-2014, 06:37 AM
Does anyone have norm chances?

Kevin Bonham
13-08-2014, 07:07 AM
Open team get Germany (yikes!) for the final round:

1 GM Naiditsch Arkadij 2709 GER 1 ½ 0 1 ½ 1 ½ ½ ½ 5.5 9 2751 5.5 4.92 0.58 10 5.8
2 GM Meier Georg 2646 GER 1 1 1 ½ ½ ½ 1 ½ 6.0 8 2767 6 4.70 1.30 10 13.0
3 GM Fridman Daniel 2639 GER 1 1 0 ½ ½ ½ 0 3.5 7 2530 3.5 4.45 -0.95 10 -9.5
4 GM Nisipeanu Liviu-Dieter 2689 GER 1 1 ½ ½ 1 ½ ½ ½ 0 5.5 9 2594 5.5 6.36 -0.86 10 -8.6
5 GM Baramidze David 2612 GER 1 1 0 1 0 ½ ½ 4.0 7 2486 4 4.94 -0.94 10 -9.4

Can't get women's team draw yet owing to the internet being crashed by everyone checking their pairing.


Does anyone have norm chances?

I get that Giang can get a WIM norm if she beats an opponent rated 2119+. A WIM norm may not seem like much of a deal to Aus audiences but Giang has not yet had access to the zonal title gravy train.

pax
13-08-2014, 08:41 AM
Ouch, Germany is about as tough as it gets for a final round pairing.

Vlad
13-08-2014, 10:16 AM
It is not a GM norm performance. To make it a GM performance he needs an average rating of 2380. The only way he can get it is if he gets somebody rated 2600+ in the last round and score 1 points from remaining 2 games. So he still has some work to do.

To get a GM norm he needs to draw with GM Zhang Zhong in the last round.

Anton also has 2600+ performance (if the first round opponent uplifted to 2200, it is around 2620 at the moment). But he is missing the third GM, average rating is below 2380 and he only has 3 titled players (rather than 5). So he has an IM performance instead, which counts as an IM norm in the Olympiad.

MichaelBaron
13-08-2014, 11:31 AM
good luck against Germany in the last round!

Ian Rout
13-08-2014, 11:43 AM
Ouch, Germany is about as tough as it gets for a final round pairing.
It could be worse, it might have been soccer.

Watto
13-08-2014, 03:20 PM
Team stacking for board prizes is still alive, even with PR based prizes: http://www.chess-results.com/tnr140380.aspx?lan=1&art=20&fed=PLE&flag=30&wi=821
I take it from the discussions here that the PR based board prizes are to avoid team stacking? I don't know anything about the history but it doesn't seem a particularly good solution - it seems to favour the better performing teams, not the best performing individuals. Anton Smirnov's superb 7/8 after 10 rounds puts him at number 14 for the 5th board prize (according to chess-results.com) but on percentage, he's way ahead of most other players (2nd spot for the 5th board prize) and equal third across all boards. With PR based board prizes there are players ahead of Anton who haven't even performed above their actual rating while Anton is performing hundreds of points above his. :clap:



Can't get women's team draw yet owing to the internet being crashed by everyone checking their pairing.
I get that Giang can get a WIM norm if she beats an opponent rated 2119+.
Unfortunately, there's no one rated that high in the Malaysian team. :(

Anyway, good luck to both Australian teams for the final round... ! It's been fascinating to follow.

Garrett
13-08-2014, 03:27 PM
There is an interesting interview by Daniel King with David Smerdon and Anton at chessbase.com.

Kevin Bonham
13-08-2014, 03:44 PM
Malaysia might seem like a cushy last round draw for the women's team but apart from their board 1 who is not doing well, the rest of their team are severely underrated based on results and could be quite a challenge. Still, could have been worse.

Kevin Bonham
13-08-2014, 03:52 PM
I take it from the discussions here that the PR based board prizes are to avoid team stacking?

It's also to avoid the prizes being won by a strong GM whose teammates are also-rans, and who will therefore score very highly against weak opposition. Qatar used to be known as "the 1-3 team" through losing a lot of matches 1-3 for this reason.

Geelong Grizzle
13-08-2014, 05:06 PM
I'd pair Dave with the unbeaten Meier since he obliterated him in the recent Politiken Cup.

Agent Smith
13-08-2014, 05:07 PM
Womens - Ukraine beat Russia !
Magnus got badly beaten.

[Event "WCO2014"]
[Site "Tromso"]
[Date "2014.08.12"]
[Round "10.29"]
[White "Saric Ivan"]
[Black "Carlsen Magnus"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2671"]
[BlackElo "2877"]
[ECO "C61"]
[WhiteID "14508150"]
[BlackID "1503014"]
[LiveChessVersion "1.4.3"]

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nd4 4.Nxd4 exd4 5.Bc4 Nf6 6.O-O d5 7.exd5 Be7 8.Qf3 Bg4 9.Qf4 O-O 10.h3 Bd6 11.Qxd4 c5 12.Qd3 Bh5 13.Nc3 Re8 14.f4 a6 15.a4 Qd7 16.Qg3 Ne4 17.Nxe4 Rxe4 18.b3 Qc7 19.d3 Re2 20.Qg5 g6 21.Bb2 Be7 22.Bf6 h6 23.Be5 Qd8 24.Qxh6 Rxe5 25.d6
( 25.fxe5 Bg5 26.Qxh5 gxh5 )
25...Re2 26.dxe7 Qxe7 27.f5 Qh4 28.Qf4
( 28.Kh1 Qg3 29.Bd5 Qe3 30.Bxf7+ Kxf7 31.fxg6+ Ke6 32.Qxh5 Qe5 33.Qg4+ Kd6 34.g7 Kc7 35.g8=Q Rxg8 36.Qxg8 Kb6 )
28...g5 29.Qxh4 gxh4 30.Rf4 Rxc2 31.Rxh4 Be2 32.Re4 Rd2 33.Re7 Bxd3 34.Bxf7+ Kf8 35.f6 Rd8 36.Bh5 Kg8 37.Re8+
( 37.Re8+ Kh7
( 37...Rxe8 38.f7+ Kf8 39.fxe8=Q+ )
38.Rxd8 Be2 39.Rxd2 Bxh5 40.Rd7+ Kh6 41.f7 Bxf7 42.Rxf7 Kg6 43.Rxb7 Kf5 44.Re7 Kf6 45.Rae1 Kg6 46.R7e6+ Kg7 47.Rxa6 Kf7 48.Kf2 c4 49.bxc4 Kg7 50.Ke3 Kf8 51.Kd4 Kf7 )
1-0

ER
13-08-2014, 06:31 PM
...how come Kasparov (not that he 's got any chance to win the election) ...

told you so! :whistle: :P :owned:

Kevin Bonham
13-08-2014, 09:23 PM
I'd pair Dave with the unbeaten Meier since he obliterated him in the recent Politiken Cup.

That's only possible if Germany rests Naiditsch as David can only play on board 1.

Kevin Bonham
13-08-2014, 09:25 PM
Womens - Ukraine beat Russia !

Highly appropriate! However, Russia should still win the event.

Adamski
14-08-2014, 07:39 AM
There is a rule in the Olympiad to rest a player who lost in the previous round if he is due to play black.Weird rule.

Adamski
14-08-2014, 07:46 AM
Anton also has 2600+ performance (if the first round opponent uplifted to 2200, it is around 2620 at the moment). But he is missing the third GM, average rating is below 2380 and he only has 3 titled players (rather than 5). So he has an IM performance instead, which counts as an IM norm in the Olympiad.Terrific performance by Anton!!

twinlark
14-08-2014, 08:34 AM
There is an interesting interview by Daniel King with David Smerdon and Anton at chessbase.com.

Where? I can't find it.

damo
14-08-2014, 09:20 AM
Where? I can't find it.

http://closetgrandmaster.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/smirnov-and-smerdon-in-chessbase.html

twinlark
14-08-2014, 01:57 PM
http://closetgrandmaster.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/smirnov-and-smerdon-in-chessbase.html

Thanks! Does anyone know where he won ratings points besides at Politiken and Tromso since Voronezh?

damo
14-08-2014, 02:18 PM
Thanks! Does anyone know where he won ratings points besides at Politiken and Tromso since Voronezh?

He gained 37 points from the Politiken cup and gaining 37.8 from Tromso with a live rating around 2409.

Geelong Grizzle
14-08-2014, 05:27 PM
A victory tonight would see us finish around =12th place. Go AUSSIES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brian_Jones
14-08-2014, 05:58 PM
With Wang Hao and LI Chao B not picked for Tromso, this must be the best team from China ever - I forecast China will become the first team from Asia to win Olympiad Gold.

Following the earlier individual World Championship success of Chinese Women and Vishy Anand, this could be the beginning of Asian domination in world chess, particularly if India fielded their best Olympiad team in future years.

Bill Gletsos
14-08-2014, 06:20 PM
.... I forecast China will become the first team from Asia to win Olympiad Gold.Well done Nostradamus.

pax
14-08-2014, 06:24 PM
With Wang Hao and LI Chao B not picked for Tromso, this must be the best team from China ever - I forecast China will become the first team from Asia to win Olympiad Gold.

Following the earlier individual World Championship success of Chinese Women and Vishy Anand, this could be the beginning of Asian domination in world chess, particularly if India fielded their best Olympiad team in future years.

One swallow does not make a summer. I'd say we are some way off an Asian domination of chess, with perhaps ten players over 2700, compared to around 30 Europeans even if you don't count Azerbaijan. The Indian revolution seems to have plateaued somewhat, and while China is certainly getting stronger, the top 100 juniors list is still dominated by Europeans.

twinlark
14-08-2014, 06:55 PM
He gained 37 points from the Politiken cup and gaining 37.8 from Tromso with a live rating around 2409.

That looks like a calculation based on using a K factor of 20 (rapid/blitz) rather than 15 (standard for players under 2400). Am I missing something here?

twinlark
14-08-2014, 07:54 PM
That looks like a calculation based on using a K factor of 20 (rapid/blitz) rather than 15 (standard for players under 2400). Am I missing something here?

Derp. K increased to 20 from 15 for under-2400s wef 1 July under changed FIDE regs.

Thanks Vlad!

Desmond
14-08-2014, 09:15 PM
I forecast China will become the first team from Asia to win Olympiad Gold.
How about a prediction for first Oceanic team? :)

Kevin Bonham
14-08-2014, 10:27 PM
Awesome work from Anton. I hope certain critics of his selection are now feeling suitably ashamed.

TPR 2612 by the logistic formula on your calculator (formula for board prizes might not be so generous). Undefeated including a 2500+ GM and a 2600+ GM.

pax
14-08-2014, 11:02 PM
There is a rule in the Olympiad to rest a player who lost in the previous round if he is due to play black.

Germany failed to adhere to this rule and have paid the price :D

Kevin Bonham
15-08-2014, 12:02 AM
Great result team! Especially Max, what a legend to take down a player of Nisipeanu's class.

Surprised no mention of it has occurred here yet based on people following social media or something but there's an incident at the venue. I was just watching Australia's game (Smerdon had just finished and Max was way up) and suddenly there was some kind of commotion going on well away from where we are, a few people crying out and one or more medics running. People started moving away from the area and there was a lot of unease and at this point Nisipeanu thought it was a good time to resign. At some stage the word "bomb" was heard and then lots of people started running away. At this stage I had no idea whether the medic was running for a more routine health issue or some kind of security attack and so I decided a high probability of being foolish beat a very low probability of being dead and joined them (albeit not very energetically nor with much conviction). On returning I noticed screens up and a beeping noise going on in one area. Ian was very close to it and said a player from one of the other teams had had a brain aneurysm or similar.

Among the piles of stuff showered on me for being a delegate this Olympiad I've received some really bad t-shirts that I may not even bother bringing home; I feel like I need one that says "Tromso 2014 Olympiad Stampede".

There are more rational reasons to run away from the venue; it's quite humid and sweaty in there today.

Agent Smith
15-08-2014, 12:03 AM
Aus 2 - Germany 2.

GM Smerdon, D. (0) 25
½-½
GM Meier, Georg (2) 2646

IM Ly, Moulthun (0) 2462
0-1
GM Fridman, D. (0) 2639

IM Illingworth (2½) 2439
1-0
GM Nisipeanu, L. (3) 2689


FM Smirnov, A. (1½) 2334
½-½
GM Baramidze, D. (½) 2612

[Event "WCO2014"]
[Site "Tromso"]
[Date "2014.08.14"]
[Round "11.26"]
[White "Illingworth Max"]
[Black "Nisipeanu Liviu-Dieter"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2439"]
[BlackElo "2689"]
[ECO "B48"]
[WhiteID "3205207"]
[BlackID "1202758"]
[LiveChessVersion "1.4.3"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.Nc3 Qc7 6.Be3 a6 7.Qd2 Nf6 8.f4 b5 9.e5 Ng4 10.Bg1 Bb7 11.O-O-O Nxd4 12.Bxd4 Be7 13.Bd3 f5 14.h3 Nh6 15.Rhg1 O-O 16.g4 Bc6 17.g5 Nf7 18.g6 Nh6 19.Qf2 Rac8 20.Kb1 b4 21.Ne2 Bb5 22.Qg3 Kh8 23.gxh7 Rf7 24.Bxb5 axb5 25.Rd2 Qc6 26.Qd3 Kxh7 27.Be3 Ra8 28.Nd4 Qa6 29.Qb3 Qb7 30.Rf2 Ra6 31.Nf3 Kh8 32.Nd4 Ra4 33.Ne2 Kh7 34.Qd3 Ra6 35.Nc1 Rc6 36.Qe2 Rc4 37.Qh5 Qc8 38.Rg6 Qf8 39.Rfg2 Re4 40.Bd2 Rd4 41.Nd3 Kh8 42.b3 Re4 43.Ne1 d6 44.Nf3 dxe5 45.Ng5 Rf6 46.Nxe4 Rxg6 47.Rxg6 fxe4 48.Qxe5 Bf6 49.Qxe4 1-0

Kevin Bonham
15-08-2014, 12:30 AM
Manuel told me his decision about who to field was motivated by this: he didn't think we could get four draws so someone needed to win. So he wanted to give Max white because he thought Max outpreparing one of them was our best chance for a win.

The game follows Karjakin-Svidler from the Candidates this March until Max plays 16.g4 (Karjakin played 16.Qe3 with a draw 10 moves later.)

8.f4 seems to be trendy with nearly all high level games with it last year or this.

MichaelBaron
15-08-2014, 12:57 AM
Incredible result! Well-done!

Watto
15-08-2014, 01:12 AM
Malaysia might seem like a cushy last round draw for the women's team but apart from their board 1 who is not doing well, the rest of their team are severely underrated based on results and could be quite a challenge. Still, could have been worse.

Australia won 4-0. What a great last round.

pax
15-08-2014, 01:18 AM
The rest of them might have their work cut out in the next two years to keep Anton off Board 1.

Kevin Bonham
15-08-2014, 01:31 AM
Women's team seeded 51st has finished 32nd. Excellent result. All bar one performing above rating, in some cases well above. No lower rated team finished above us.

Kevin Bonham
15-08-2014, 02:04 AM
Open team seeded 60th have finished 31st. Everyone played close to rating except Max who finished up well above after a scratchy start (shades of Aus Champs there!) and Anton who was undefeated! We finished 2nd in our rating class (silver medal class B) despite it containing dozens of higher seeded teams.

Wonderful!

Capablanca-Fan
15-08-2014, 06:22 AM
Excellent for both teams, and well chosen by selectors.

Desmond
15-08-2014, 07:24 AM
Aus 2 - Germany 2. Wow, so very impressed. Well done team, you did us proud.

Adamski
15-08-2014, 07:38 AM
Big congratulations to both Aussie teams. Great finish by Max, also reminding me of his finish in Asian Clubs Champions League in June. 0/3 became 4/7 after the rest day!

ratinahat
15-08-2014, 07:40 AM
Very impressive performance by both Open and Women's teams. Anton's performance particularly impressive. Well done all, I enjoyed following your games.

twinlark
15-08-2014, 07:41 AM
It's a fantastic result for both teams. Congratulations to all the players and also to the selectors who took a brave gamble on youth.

Well done all.

Agent Smith
15-08-2014, 07:50 AM
The whole tournament, Anton's solid performance really held the team together.

Finshed 10th on board 5 http://chess-results.com/tnr140380.aspx?lan=1&art=21&flag=30&wi=821

[Event "WCO2014"]
[Site "Tromso"]
[Date "2014.08.14"]
[Round "11.25"]
[White "Baramidze David"]
[Black "Smirnov Anton"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2612"]
[BlackElo "2334"]
[ECO "D85"]
[WhiteID "4667719"]
[BlackID "3208923"]
[LiveChessVersion "1.4.3"]
[Depth "17"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.cxd5 Nxd5 5.e4 Nxc3 6.bxc3 Bg7 7.Nf3 c5 8.Rb1 O-O 9.Be2 cxd4 10.cxd4 Qa5+ 11.Bd2 Qxa2 12.O-O Bg4 13.Bg5 h6 14.Bh4 g5 15.Bg3 Nc6 16.d5 Rfd8 17.Rxb7 Rac8 18.Re1 e6 19.d6 Bxf3 20.Bxf3 Qa6 21.Qb1 Rb8 22.Rxb8 Rxb8 23.Qc1 Be5 24.d7 Rd8 25.Bxe5 Nxe5 26.Qc7 Nxf3+ 27.gxf3 Qb6 28.Rc1 Qxc7 29.Rxc7 Kf8 30.Rxa7 Ke7 31.Kg2
( 31.Kg2 Rxd7 32.Rxd7+ Kxd7 33.Kg3 f5 34.f4 Ke7 35.exf5 exf5 36.fxg5 hxg5 37.h3 Kf6 38.f4 gxf4+ 39.Kxf4 Kg6 40.h4 Kh5 41.Kxf5 )
1/2-1/2

mike_salter
15-08-2014, 08:49 AM
Fantastic performance by both teams, congratulations!

AzureBlue
15-08-2014, 08:50 AM
Congrats to the team! Excellent play by Max and Anton especially :)

Vlad
15-08-2014, 10:25 AM
On chess24 David calls Anton "a new Carlsen".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqjBwk__LYw#t=749

Below is the picture of Anton Carlsen with his dad (Moscow 2007, Anton was 6 then):)
2663

Rincewind
15-08-2014, 11:29 AM
Congratulations to both teams you've all done very well!

Great photo Vlad.

Vlad
15-08-2014, 11:46 AM
The 31-st place overall (out of 177 teams) is better than last year's 32-d place (156). I could only find once when Australia did better, it was 29-th overall (out of 147 teams) in 2006.

So was it the second best performance ever or there were some good performances in the past?

Jesper Norgaard
15-08-2014, 12:02 PM
World Senior 2015 in Italy, 2016 in Czech. Deal between original 2016 bidders (2015 bid from Slovenia withdrawn), no vote required.

U16 Olympiad 2014 to Hungary - awarded Kazakhstan bid collapsed

Czech is not a country. In fact it is a threatening chess move. :)
Czech Republic is a country.

Sad that 65-year old Seychelles player Kurt Meier after winning his last round game on 2. board, collapsed and died in the Olympiad. He was transferred to the University Hospital but they were unable to revive him. His son playing on 1. board also won, but it did not help to avoid the sad aftermath.

In retrospect if there is any way one could depart this Earth the most memorable way, winning last round together with your son must be high up there. RIP Kurt Meier, condolences to the family. Going like Robin Williams must be the worst, I'm sure he would have had second thoughts if given the opportunity.

Agent Smith
15-08-2014, 12:43 PM
Top 20 rated (not performance) Mens and Womens

Rtng Age Nat Score 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Perf Chg
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1: Carlsen, Magnus 2877 24 NOR 6.0 / 9 ..... 128b= 213w+ 19w+ 2b= 3b+ 29w- 116b+ 87w+ 48b- ..... 2800 -8 (+5 -2 =2)
2: Aronian, Levon 2805 32 ARM 6.5 / 10 ..... 217b= 8w= 257b+ 1w= 17b= 18w+ 75b= 108w= 28b= 25w+ 2789 -3 (+3 -0 =7)
3: Caruana, Fabiano 2801 22 ITA 6.5 / 9 ..... 348b+ 75w+ 87b= ..... 1w- 382w+ 30b= 76w+ 213b+ 56b= 2787 -2 (+5 -1 =3)
4: Grischuk, Alexander 2795 31 RUS 6.0 / 9 553b+ 265b+ ..... 16b= ..... 105w+ 25b- 97b= 230w+ 122w= 22b= 2727 -7 (+4 -1 =4)
5: Nakamura, Hikaru 2787 27 USA 5.5 / 9 ..... ..... 13w= 348b+ 99b= 78w= 35w+ 18b= 29w= 146w+ 15b- 2737 -6 (+3 -1 =5)
6: Karjakin, Sergey 2786 24 RUS 7.0 / 10 457b+ 357w+ 261b+ 51b= 170w- ..... 86b= 100w+ 274w= 186w+ 31w= 2699 -10 (+5 -1 =4)
7: Topalov, Veselin 2772 39 BUL 6.5 / 9 ..... ..... 36w+ 94w+ 10b- 108b+ 13w= 14b= 9w+ 19w+ 43b= 2872 +11 (+5 -1 =3)
8: Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime 2768 24 FRA 6.0 / 10 ..... 218w+ 2b= 15w- 146w+ 116b= 27w+ 19w= 25b= 23w= 10b= 2760 -1 (+3 -1 =6)
9: Dominguez Perez, Leinier 2760 31 CUB 6.5 / 11 373b+ 315w+ 19b= 130w= 11b= 194w= 15w+ 29b= 7b- 27w= 17w= 2711 -8 (+3 -1 =7)
10: Kramnik, Vladimir 2760 39 RUS 5.0 / 8 ..... 175w+ 245b+ 23w= 7w+ 35b- ..... 36w- ..... 108b+ 8w= 2757 -1 (+4 -2 =2)
11: Gelfand, Boris 2753 46 ISR 5.0 / 9 ..... 132w+ 43b= 13b- 9w= 99w= ..... 201b= 18w= 30b= 48w+ 2714 -5 (+2 -1 =6)
12: Svidler, Peter 2751 38 RUS 4.0 / 8 447w+ ..... 242w+ 50w= 40b= 219b= 44w- ..... 247b= 120b- ..... 2562 -20 (+2 -2 =4)
13: Giri, Anish 2745 20 NED 8.0 / 11 207b+ 205w+ 5b= 11w+ 23b= 123w= 7b= 150w+ 43b= 35w= 78b+ 2835 +12 (+5 -0 =6)
14: Ivanchuk, Vassily 2744 45 UKR 4.0 / 9 ..... 230b- 131w= 208b= 35w- 142w+ 194b+ 7w= 23b= 15w- ..... 2585 -20 (+2 -3 =4)
15: Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar 2743 29 AZE 7.0 / 10 ..... 283b= 48w= 8b+ 108w+ 27w+ 9b- 23b= 94w= 14b+ 5w+ 2833 +11 (+5 -1 =4)
16: Ding, Liren 2742 22 CHN 7.5 / 10 303b+ ..... 84w+ 4w= 88b= 260b+ 122b+ 20b= 24b= 22w= 59w+ 2830 +10 (+5 -0 =5)
17: Adams, Michael 2740 43 ENG 6.5 / 9 ..... ..... 29b= 30w+ 28b+ 2w= 99b= 108w+ 159b= 149w+ 9b= 2839 +11 (+4 -0 =5)
18: Leko, Peter 2740 35 HUN 5.0 / 10 ..... 66w= 23w+ 315b= 36w= 28b= 2b- 5w= 11b= 94w= 24w= 2688 -8 (+1 -1 =8)
19: Wojtaszek, Radoslaw 2735 27 POL 5.0 / 9 ..... ..... 9w= 1b- 129b+ 56w= 116w+ 8b= 142w+ 7b- 23w= 2746 +1 (+3 -2 =4)
20: Radjabov, Teimour 2724 27 AZE 5.5 / 10 353w+ ..... 115b= 22w= 122b- 102b= 54w+ 16w= 145b= 24w= 33b= 2668 -8 (+2 -1 =7)

1: Hou, Yifan 2661 20 CHN 6.0 / 9 ..... ..... 22b+ 148w+ 44b+ 16w* 5b- 23w+ 18b= 45w+ 3b= 2645 -2 (+5 -1 =2)
2: Ju, Wenjun 2559 23 CHN 8.0 / 11 132b+ 166w+ 26w+ 74b= 43w+ 67b= 8w= 42b= 51w+ 34b= 7w= 2563 +0 (+5 -0 =6)
3: Muzychuk, Anna 2555 24 SLO 6.0 / 10 ..... 181w= 45b+ 106w+ 33b= 11w= 73b+ 4w- 9b= 5w= 1w= 2515 -6 (+3 -1 =6)
4: Dzagnidze, Nana 2550 27 GEO 8.0 / 9 299w+ 192b+ 79w+ ..... 5b= 118w+ 33w= 3b+ 44b+ 23w+ ..... 2727 +14 (+7 -0 =2)
5: Lagno, Kateryna 2540 25 UKR 6.0 / 10 327w+ 151b+ 18w= ..... 4w= 33b+ 1w+ 16w= 14b- 3b= 11w- 2528 -2 (+4 -2 =4)
6: Kosteniuk, Alexandra 2531 30 RUS 7.5 / 9 304b+ ..... 55w+ 61w+ 20w= 105b+ 10w= 78w+ ..... 15b= 81w+ 2644 +10 (+6 -0 =3)
7: Muzychuk, Mariya 2530 22 UKR 6.0 / 10 230b+ ..... 34w= 111b= 99w- 71b+ 56w= 13b= 37w+ 8b= 2b= 2463 -9 (+3 -1 =6)
8: Gunina, Valentina 2524 25 RUS 8.0 / 10 ..... 152w+ 51b= 27b+ 13b+ 99w= 2b= 67b+ 29w+ 7w= 71b+ 2650 +14 (+6 -0 =4)
9: Harika, Dronavalli 2521 23 IND 7.5 / 10 ..... 222w+ 73b= 99w+ 177b+ 45w+ 48b= 44w= 3w= 144b+ 35b= 2533 +1 (+5 -0 =5)
10: Zhao, Xue 2508 29 CHN 5.0 / 7 312w+ 254b+ ..... ..... 167b= 78w+ 6b= 62w= ..... ..... 15b= 2476 -3 (+3 -0 =4)
11: Stefanova, Antoaneta 2505 35 BUL 8.5 / 10 ..... 251b+ 106b= 23w+ 161w+ 3b= 184b+ 299w+ 165w+ 63b= 5b+ 2609 +10 (+7 -0 =3)
12: Cramling, Pia 2500 51 SWE 10.0 / 11 431b+ 106w= 327b+ 28b+ 251w+ 100b+ 49w= 73w+ 41b+ 169w+ 70b+ 2672 +15 (+9 -0 =2)
13: Khotenashvili, Bela 2494 26 GEO 8.0 / 10 393b+ 244w+ 116b+ 48b+ 8w- ..... 99b+ 7w= 43w= 42b+ 27w+ 2598 +11 (+7 -1 =2)
14: Danielian, Elina 2490 36 ARM 6.0 / 9 ..... ..... 100w= 44b- 49b= 82w+ 22w+ 58b+ 5w+ 129b- 45w+ 2509 +2 (+5 -2 =2)
15: Ushenina, Anna 2487 29 UKR 5.5 / 9 349w+ 199b= ..... 175w= 105b- ..... 75b+ 20w+ 47b= 6w= 10w= 2416 -9 (+3 -1 =5)
16: Hoang, Thanh Trang 2485 34 HUN 5.5 / 10 ..... 178w+ 157b+ 70w= 66w+ 1b* 35w= 5b= 27b- 38w- 98b+ 2441 -5 (+4 -2 =3)
17: Girya, Olga 2484 23 RUS 5.0 / 8 341w+ 307b+ 87b= 103b- ..... 85w+ 24b+ ..... 122b= 25w- ..... 2397 -9 (+4 -2 =2)
18: Sebag, Marie 2480 28 FRA 5.0 / 9 ..... 38w= 5b= ..... 27w= 63b+ 23b+ 26w= 1w= 73b- 33w= 2501 +2 (+2 -1 =6)
19: Pogonina, Natalija 2479 29 RUS 5.5 / 7 343b+ 314w+ ..... 90w= 21b= ..... ..... 86b+ 97w+ ..... 117b= 2510 +2 (+4 -0 =3)
20: Javakhishvili, Lela 2478 30 GEO 4.5 / 7 ..... ..... ..... 84w- 6b= 68b+ 105w+ 15b- 215b+ ..... 61b+ 2456 -2 (+4 -2 =1)

pax
15-08-2014, 01:55 PM
The 31-st place overall (out of 177 teams) is better than last year's 32-d place (156). I could only find once when Australia did better, it was 29-th overall (out of 147 teams) in 2006.

So was it the second best performance ever or there were some good performances in the past?

http://www.olimpbase.org/teams/aus_tea.html

28th in 1996, 22nd in 1984, 17th in 1976 (with Jammo on board one), 15th in 1970 (GM Walter Browne on board one). Those were all much smaller fields however (and in a much smaller chess Universe). I'd rate this performance as highly as any of those.

pax
15-08-2014, 02:00 PM
http://www.olimpbase.org/teams/aus_tea.html

28th in 1996, 22nd in 1984, 17th in 1976 (with Jammo on board one), 15th in 1970 (GM Walter Browne on board one). Those were all much smaller fields however (and in a much smaller chess Universe). I'd rate this performance as highly as any of those.

1976 in Haifa comes with an asterisk, as there was a boycott from the Eastern Bloc and all of the Arab affiliated countries. Only 48 teams competed.

pax
16-08-2014, 12:55 AM
On chess24 David calls Anton "a new Carlsen".


No pressure then? ;)

Garvinator
16-08-2014, 03:16 AM
http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/2-deaths-at-chess-olympiad.html

MichaelBaron
16-08-2014, 11:16 AM
While our team has done very well, I am sure if Zhao would be able to play - the result would be even better!

Vlad
16-08-2014, 11:51 AM
I would not be so confident about this statement. If Yuan played then most likely Anton would not. Are you sure that Yuan would have a performance above 2612 given that his rating is 2569?

Look at the teams who shared the place with Australia; for example, England, Germany, Norway. They all have an average rating of 2670+ vs Australia's 2450+. Even if the next time Australia manages to send four players with 2500+, repeating the current result will be very difficult.

Watto
16-08-2014, 12:33 PM
I would not be so confident about this statement. If Yuan played then most likely Anton would not. Are you sure that Yuan would have a performance above 2612 given that his rating is 2569?
Yuan didn't play. Anton snuck in on the bottom board and performed brilliantly. Yes, them's the facts. As for being sure or not whether Yuan would have also achieved a PR above 2612, on the top board, no one can know but he's certainly more than capable of it having achieved it several times in his career. If Yuan played, they would have all moved down a board and who knows what impact that might have had. I can't really see the benefit of this discussion though, given that it's so very hypothetical.

Sir Cromulent Sparkles
16-08-2014, 02:15 PM
Congrats to Max and the rest of the fellows.

It was good to see Max come home with a wet sail much like the Oz champs.

Basil
16-08-2014, 03:07 PM
Ermagerd! Youse are totes the bestest - like serious. It's a great day to be an ... erm ... Aussie!

pax
16-08-2014, 07:17 PM
While our team has done very well, I am sure if Zhao would be able to play - the result would be even better!
Honestly, why do you make such an absurd statement? Certainly, Yuan is our best player, but given that our best performer by far was board five, there is no way to guess what may have happened. Australia have performed worse many times with stronger teams on paper.

Vlad
16-08-2014, 07:18 PM
Yuan didn't play. Anton snuck in on the bottom board and performed brilliantly. Yes, them's the facts. As for being sure or not whether Yuan would have also achieved a PR above 2612, on the top board, no one can know but he's certainly more than capable of it having achieved it several times in his career. If Yuan played, they would have all moved down a board and who knows what impact that might have had. I can't really see the benefit of this discussion though, given that it's so very hypothetical.

I think you missed my point. I said that anything was possible if Yuan played instead of Anton. However, it is pretty hard to expect Australia do better than the current standing.

P.S. I am sure some countries (like Germany, Norway, England, etc) are very ashamed of sharing a place with Australia.:)