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Vlad
14-07-2013, 10:46 PM
It looks like all the action is expected from the following 8 teams ranked by an average rating of the first 4 boards:

1. Russia 2480
2. India 2426
3. Hungary 2370
4. China 2345
5. Australia 2340
6. USA 2338
7. Turkey 2305
8. Iran 2271

The other teams (not included here) seem to be significantly weaker... There is a chance for a medal but it will not be easy by any means. Especially if one takes into account that China is expected to be way underrated, while USA is being trained by G. Kasparov.

peter_parr
15-07-2013, 12:11 AM
teams in the chess olympiad are ranked by the average rating of the four highest rated players in the five player team (not the average rating of the first 4 boards).

Kevin Bonham
15-07-2013, 01:17 AM
teams in the chess olympiad are ranked by the average rating of the four highest rated players in the five player team (not the average rating of the first 4 boards).

I think this is done because some teams have wealthy patrons who effectively buy a spot on board 1, while others juggle their board order for tactical reasons. These are not as likely to be issues in junior events.

antichrist
15-07-2013, 10:16 AM
I think this is done because some teams have wealthy patrons who effectively buy a spot on board 1, while others juggle their board order for tactical reasons. These are not as likely to be issues in junior events.

who do they buy a spot for, themselves (so they must be a top player almost/also) or a mate etc?

Concerning China, according to George Xie, their internal competition is more tough that external competitions so expect toughness there.

Kevin Bonham
15-07-2013, 10:20 AM
There have been cases in Olympiads where the top board, who is the sponsor, is only c. 2000 strength on a team of 2400s. Under Olympiad rules you can submit your team in any order so long as you stick to it.

antichrist
15-07-2013, 11:14 AM
There have been cases in Olympiads where the top board, who is the sponsor, is only c. 2000 strength on a team of 2400s. Under Olympiad rules you can submit your team in any order so long as you stick to it.

so a much better player may miss out? amazing.

[irrelevant material deleted - mod]

Vlad
15-07-2013, 06:24 PM
It looks like all the action is expected from the following 8 teams ranked by an average rating of the first 4 boards:

1. Russia 2480
2. India 2426
3. Hungary 2370
4. China 2345
5. Australia 2340
6. USA 2338
7. Turkey 2305
8. Iran 2271

The other teams (not included here) seem to be significantly weaker... There is a chance for a medal but it will not be easy by any means. Especially if one takes into account that China is expected to be way underrated, while USA is being trained by G. Kasparov.

Last year there were only 6 teams with ratings 2200+ and generally the field was significantly weaker. Australia has improved by 113 points but it is still in the 5-th position.

1. Russia 2438
2. Iran 2289
3. India 2276
4. Serbia 2233
5. Australia 2227
6. Armenia 2218

pax
15-07-2013, 06:58 PM
Last year there were only 6 teams with ratings 2200+ and generally the field was significantly weaker. Australia has improved by 113 points but it is still in the 5-th position.

1. Russia 2438
2. Iran 2289
3. India 2276
4. Serbia 2233
5. Australia 2227
6. Armenia 2218

Russia and India are going to be very tough. Luckily, Australia is also underrated.

Watto
15-07-2013, 07:56 PM
Is there an official site for the U16 Olympiad? With live games? It's going to be very interesting...

Ian_Rogers
15-07-2013, 08:53 PM
http://wyco2013.cqyc.org.cn/News/en/news_list.jsp?typeId=news0201&siteId=0

Watto
16-07-2013, 12:34 AM
http://wyco2013.cqyc.org.cn/News/en/news_list.jsp?typeId=news0201&siteId=0
Thanks Ian.

Ian_Rogers
16-07-2013, 05:15 PM
If anyone out there can help with games by the rival Youth Olympiad teams, there are a few countries where Australia could do with more information.
In particular, we have no games for two or more players from the following teams:
China (extra team)
Hong Kong
Indonesia
Iraq
Chinese Taipei
Sweden

If anyone can provide Weng or myself with games from the players representing the above countries - see the web site above for the team lists - it would be greatly appreciated.

pax
19-07-2013, 04:28 PM
I assume you have these:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=137180
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=145638

Ian_Rogers
19-07-2013, 05:27 PM
Thanks Pax - those games had been covered but every suggestion helps. Once the team gets to China it may be difficult accessing relevant sites which is why we are asking early.

Vlad
19-07-2013, 06:30 PM
Ian, are you covering 40 Chinese teams as well? Seems almost impossible task to me.:)

Watto
19-07-2013, 07:47 PM
I assume you have these:

I also assumed that Ian would have the games I managed to find of the rated players in these teams at chesstempo (I find it's much more effective to google the name and the word chess and then go to the chesstempo link than to do a search on the chesstempo site - a lot of the time it just comes up with no records that way).

For example board 1 for Iraq: http://chesstempo.com/gamedb/player/310883

Ian_Rogers
19-07-2013, 10:19 PM
Thanks Jean. There is always a chance that Chess Tempo and Chessgames.com have games that I failed to notice, though it is more likely with sites such as Monroi, which are difficult to access but contain, e.g. many Indian tournaments.
As far as games from the 40 additional Chinese teams go, that's Yuan's job:)

pax
20-07-2013, 12:27 PM
As far as games from the 40 additional Chinese teams go, that's Yuan's job:)

Is that for real? The website lists only two!

Ian_Rogers
20-07-2013, 02:54 PM
The Chinese language version of the web site lists all teams, as does the Tournament Programme, recently posted.

Altecman
20-07-2013, 11:03 PM
http://wyco2013.cqyc.org.cn/News/en/news_list.jsp?typeId=news0201&siteId=0

Thanks Ian, was looking for this.

pax
21-07-2013, 01:51 AM
The Chinese language version of the web site lists all teams, as does the Tournament Programme, recently posted.

Yes, they're all there now. It seems a little unfortunate that visiting teams expecting to play teams from all around the world may end up playing mainly Chinese teams. Four or five local teams seems reasonable, 40 is over the top.

Z&MLoh
21-07-2013, 10:18 AM
Our advance scouting party (Zong-Yuan :) ) sent the following photos yesterday. Thanks Zong-Yuan. All the teams should be arriving today, as is ours. The schedule is:


Arrival 21 July 2013 Sunday
Opening Ceremony 22 July Monday 9:00
Technical Meeting 11:00
Round 1 15:30
Round 2 23 July Tuesday 9:00
Round 3 15:30
Round 4 24 July Wednesday 15:30
Round 5 25 July Thursday 9:00
Round 6 15:30
Free Day 26 July Friday
Round 7 27 July Saturday 9:00
Round 8 15:30
Round 9 28 July Sunday 15:30
Round 10 29 July Monday 9:00
Closing Ceremony 17:00
Departure 30 July Tuesday

Note: Melbourne is 2 hours ahead of Chongqing.

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/mloh28/2013%20WYCO/Yucaifrontentrance1024_zpsc7d04cf1.jpg

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/mloh28/2013%20WYCO/Stairstoplayinghall1024_zps8f72e909.jpg

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/mloh28/2013%20WYCO/Closefrontviewofvenue1024_zpsfc972cea.jpg

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/mloh28/2013%20WYCO/Frontviewoftournamenthall1024_zps4614ca26.jpg

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/mloh28/2013%20WYCO/Dorms1024_zpse809e07a.jpg

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/mloh28/2013%20WYCO/EatingHall1024_zps33c22c04.jpg

pax
21-07-2013, 12:13 PM
Here is a thread so we don't need to clutter the Selections thread.

Official site here:
http://wyco2013.cqyc.org.cn/

Round 1 commences tomorrow afternoon.

Carl Gorka
21-07-2013, 11:56 PM
Good luck to the Aussies, I will be following (http://gorkachc.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/some-chess-to-follow.html) your progress (as I'm sure everyone else here will) and wish you all the very best in this tournament :clap:

Regardless of results, enjoy and have a great experience :)

pax
22-07-2013, 01:54 AM
Crikey, do those beds get mattresses at all?

Adamski
22-07-2013, 07:35 AM
Many thanks to GM Yuan for the great pics. I agree that 40 Chinese teams is over the top. Best wishes to all the Australasian players and coaches.

Watto
22-07-2013, 08:50 AM
From the official U16 Olympiad site (although the titles and current FIDE ratings are from fide.com as the official site is a bit out of date with this):

Team A
IM Bobby Cheng 2438
FM Anton Smirnov 2289
FM Justin Tan 2322
IM Ari Dale 2310
Yi Liu 2174

Team B
CM Jack Puccini 1957
Michael Chan 2057
Zachary Loh 2016
WF Savithri Narenthran 1771
Shirley Gu 1687

Good luck to all the players and coaches! :)

peter_parr
22-07-2013, 02:27 PM
The following article was published in the 41st year of my chess column in the Sydney Morning Herald on Monday 22nd July 2013.

Australia has entered two teams in The World Youth Under-16 Olympiad ( 72 teams including 42 from China, 10 rounds) which starts this afternoon in Chongqing, China. Russia are the top seeds. The Australian official team is IM Bobby Cheng, FM Anton Smirnov, FM Justin Tan, IM Ari Dale and Yi Liu.

jammo
22-07-2013, 03:47 PM
Here is a thread so we don't need to clutter the Selections thread.

Official site here:
http://wyco2013.cqyc.org.cn/

Round 1 commences tomorrow afternoon.

The site doesn't seem to be totally up-to-date. Bobby is listed as "FM" for example. Also the 6th board for Australia's extra team looks like an OK player. Name of Zhong something or other!

peter_parr
22-07-2013, 04:38 PM
old ratings are on the official website. The correct up to date ratings are on www.chess results with pairing rd 1 etc. Teams are in order of the average rating of the top four rated players from the five player teams (not the average rating of the top four boards as I have explained in my earlier post - the same rules as in the adult olympiads). Australia is officially 5th seeds behind Russia,India,Hungary and China 1.

titles are not yet correct on www.chess results.

Altecman
22-07-2013, 05:29 PM
Live games seen to be working. No Australian's in the top two matches as of yet. Is there a live blog or anything similar to get updates?

Watto
22-07-2013, 05:32 PM
old ratings are on the official website. The correct up to date ratings are on www.chess results with pairing rd 1 etc.
Thanks Peter.

Your link isn't working but the general URL is www.chess-results.com
or for Chinese results: http://www.chess-results.com/fed.aspx?lan=1&fed=CHN

Live games link (no Australia unfortunately as only 8 boards): Top seed Russia vs 37th seed Macau and 2nd seed India vs 38th 'BJHD Chess Training School' (one of the 40 Chinese teams): http://wyco2013.cqyc.org.cn/News/en/news_list.jsp?typeId=news020201

peter_parr
22-07-2013, 10:33 PM
australian teams both won 3-1 in round 1

Bill Gletsos
22-07-2013, 10:39 PM
In Round 2 Australia 2 are match #1 versus Russia whilst Australia 1 are match #5 versus England 2

Ian_Rogers
23-07-2013, 12:43 AM
Updates from Chongqing are going to be very sporadic, partly because Chess Chat is one of the many web sites which seem to conflict with China's internet firewall. (All blog sites are blocked, for example.)

In round 1 the Australian A team won 3-1 against a team from Zhang Zhong's chess school in Shenzen. Yi Liu won convincingly while Ari Dale had a tougher battle before prevailing. Bobby Cheng flirted with danger and Anton Smirnov was in serious trouble for much of his game before drawing.
The random Chinese team are very variable in strenght but the best ones are going to cause real problems. India had to work hard for their victory today while England only drew 2-2 with a very young Chinese side.

The Australia B team should have won 4-0 against a local CQ team but Savithri Narenthran forgot about her clock in a winning position. So 3-1 for both Australian teams.

Note that this year for the first time the Youth Olympiad will be decided by match points, not game points.

Ian_Rogers
23-07-2013, 12:58 AM
As a special request, if someone is keying in the live games, would they mind emailing a file containing them to someone who is in Chongqing, please? Watching the live games from China is also difficult here.

Ian_Rogers
23-07-2013, 08:44 AM
Thanks very much to Max I. for the firt round games.
All going well Weng or I should be able to post some Australian games tonight (though Australia B are on the live boards this morning - 11am starta AEST).

pax
23-07-2013, 02:21 PM
First boilover in the top boards: Karthikeyan loses to Nguyen from Vietnam.

Watto
23-07-2013, 04:11 PM
Round 2 results are up: http://chess-results.com/tnr106922.aspx?art=3&rd=2&lan=1&wi=821

Ian_Rogers
23-07-2013, 05:41 PM
[Event "Chongqing World Youth U/16 Olympiad"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2013.07.22"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Cheng, Bobby"]
[Black "Zou, Chen"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A65"]
[PlyCount "72"]
[EventDate "2013.07.??"]
[EventType "team"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[EventCountry "CHN"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 e6 4. Nc3 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. e4 g6 7. h3 Bg7 8. Bd3
O-O 9. Bg5 a6 10. a4 Re8 11. Nf3 Qb6 12. Qe2 Nbd7 13. O-O Nxe4 14. a5 Qc7 15.
Bxe4 f5 16. Qc2 fxe4 17. Nxe4 Ne5 18. Nxe5 Bxe5 19. Nf6+ Bxf6 20. Bxf6 Qf7 21.
Bc3 Qxd5 22. Rad1 Bf5 23. Rxd5 Bxc2 24. Rc1 Ba4 25. Rxd6 Rad8 26. Be5 Rxd6 27.
Bxd6 Rd8 28. Bxc5 Rd1+ 29. Rxd1 Bxd1 30. f3 Kf7 31. Kf2 Ba4 32. Ke3 h5 33. h4
Bb5 34. g4 hxg4 35. fxg4 Kg7 36. Bd4+ Kh7 1/2-1/2

Kevin Bonham
23-07-2013, 08:30 PM
0-4 and 4-0 no great surprise.

Australia 1 now play Georgia:


5.1 Anton, Smirnov 2289 AU1 - Giorgi, Sibashvili 2186 GEO
5.2 FM Justin, Tan 2322 AU1 - Nikoloz, Kumsiashvili 2142 GEO
5.3 IM Ariel, Dale Segal 2310 AU1 - Nika, Ghvamberia 2047 GEO
5.4 Yi, Liu 2174 AU1 - Noe, Tutisani 2025 GEO

Organisers seem to be having issues with getting the surname, firstname thing right there.

Australia 2 are playing another of the numerous Chinese teams. The two players who are rated evenly match ours.

pax
23-07-2013, 09:07 PM
Australia 2 are playing another of the numerous Chinese teams. The two players who are rated evenly match ours.

I'd guess the 2nd team are going to play a lot of matches against Chinese teams judging from where most of them sit.

flushfyre
23-07-2013, 09:27 PM
Is there a clause in the regulations that says "The host nation is entitled to up to 40 additional teams"? I would be very interested to know who made the decision to allow all those Chinese teams, and on what grounds.

pax
23-07-2013, 10:25 PM
It's a slightly odd decision for USA to put Jeffrey Xiong (FM 2369) on board 1 of the weaker team. Perhaps it is aimed at giving him stronger games, but I would have thought he would get stronger opposition on board 3 of the stronger team.

Watto
23-07-2013, 10:37 PM
0-4 and 4-0 no great surprise.

Australia 1 now play Georgia:


5.1 Anton, Smirnov 2289 AU1 - Giorgi, Sibashvili 2186 GEO
5.2 FM Justin, Tan 2322 AU1 - Nikoloz, Kumsiashvili 2142 GEO
5.3 IM Ariel, Dale Segal 2310 AU1 - Nika, Ghvamberia 2047 GEO
5.4 Yi, Liu 2174 AU1 - Noe, Tutisani 2025 GEO



Australia 2 are playing another of the numerous Chinese teams. The two players who are rated evenly match ours.
Australia 1 beat Georgia 2.5 1.5 and Australia 2 lost 0.5 to 3.5 to the BJHD Chess Training School.

Australia 1 play India in round 4 so we'll get to see it live tomorrow, at 5:30pm AEST I think. Australia 2 get to play the CD Chess College Team.

p.s. Go the Aussies! :)

BrendanNorman
23-07-2013, 11:57 PM
Is there a clause in the regulations that says "The host nation is entitled to up to 40 additional teams"? I would be very interested to know who made the decision to allow all those Chinese teams, and on what grounds.

Is it really such a big deal?

Most of those kids will probably never leave China in their entire lives for nice tournaments abroad (unlike our privileged kids) so of course will field heaps of teams when hosting an event like this.

Whether its right or wrong, any organizer with brains could have foreseen what would happen when hosting it in a country like China.

There is a reason why most of the other teams (even western countries including ours) also have at least one Chinese kid on the team...i'll leave you to think that over, while complaining about the "40 Chinese teams" :)

Personally, I wish ALL players the best of luck, great chess games and congratulate our powerful team on beating Zhang Zhong's team 3-1, AWESOME! :clap:

AUSTRALIAN chess is on the rise :owned:

Watto
24-07-2013, 10:04 AM
I agree that many of the Chinese under 16 players may not get the opportunity to play in overseas events so it's understandable that so many are playing in an olympiad they are hosting. It also gives them a chance to get FIDE ratings. Maybe there is no limit to how many teams you can enter?

The addition of 40 extra teams, quite a number of them unexpectedly strong (unexpected in terms of seeding and rating, not in reality given their age and chessplaying background) would seem to be strengthening the competition, which is probably a good thing in pure chess competition terms (putting the pre-olympiad ambitions of overseas teams aside). It's like an unanticipated random intervention, although it isn't. Looks like they are going to have a significant impact on the comp - it's no doubt wreaked havoc with the preparation of the overseas teams having this many additional and underrated players unleashed at a late stage on the tournament. I presume it was a late stage or did overseas teams know a whole bunch would enter, they just weren't on the website? The only other issue would be one of possible collusion if China 1 are playing one of the additional local teams in the final rounds. Although China 1 are the only team with a perfect score at this stage so are certainly more than capable of doing it all on their own.

pax
24-07-2013, 11:20 AM
It's probably not a huge deal for the top teams - once the Swiss sorts them out, it's unlikely that the medal contenders will play more than two or three Chinese teams. But the mid ranked teams could end up playing 8/10 matches against Chinese teams, which could be somewhat disappointing for those that hoped to play teams from all around the world.

The other problem is that the addition of so many low to mid ranked teams, is that it skews the Swiss draw and means that it takes one or two more rounds than usual for the top teams to start facing each other (there are currently 7 teams on 100% of match wins, whereas without the extra teams you would expect probably 3 or 4).

The fault (if there is any) is clearly in the regulations. In my opinion, there should be a cap on local teams at around four or five. It's supposed to be an international event after all, not a Chinese club competition.

Ian_Rogers
24-07-2013, 11:28 AM
Teams playing on the top 10 boards in the final two rounds will not be paired if they are from the same country.

Here is Savi's heartbreak loss on time game from round 1.

[Event "Chongqing World Youth U/16 Olympiad"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2013.07.22"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Yuting, Wang"]
[Black "Narenthran, Savithri"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A43"]
[PlyCount "69"]
[EventDate "2013.07.??"]
[EventType "team"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[EventCountry "CHN"]

1. d4 c5 2. dxc5 e6 3. Nf3 Bxc5 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Bg5 Qb6 6. e3 Qxb2 7. Bxf6 gxf6 8. Ne2 Nc6 9. a3 Qb6 10. Ng3 Ne5 11. Nxe5 Qa5+ 12. Qd2 Qxd2+ 13. Kxd2 fxe5 14.Ne4 Be7 15. Be2 Rg8 16. Bf3 d5 17. Ng3 Bd7 18. Rhb1 Bc6 19. Rb2 Rd8 20. Rbb1 Rd7 21. Ra2 e4 22. Be2 d4 23. exd4 Rxd4+ 24. Ke1 a6 25. c3 Ra4 26. Bd1 Rxa3 27.Rxa3 Bxa3 28. Rb3 Bc5 29. Be2 f5 30. Rb2 f4 31. Nh5 Rxg2 32. Nxf4 Rxh2 33. Nxe6 Bxf2+ 34. Kf1 e3 35. Bg4 1-0

frankablanca
24-07-2013, 11:58 AM
The first key battle for the Chessaroos today

4.2 2 India - 5 Australia 1
1 IM Shardul Annasaheb Gagare 2419 : IM Bobby Cheng 2438
2 IM Karthikeyan Murali 2443 : Anton Smirnov 2289
3 IM Diptayan Ghosh 2473 : FM Justin Tan 2322
4 FM Sayantan Das 2368 : IM Ariel Dale Segal 2310

Garrett
24-07-2013, 11:59 AM
Teams playing on the top 10 boards in the final two rounds will not be paired if they are from the same country.

Here is Savi's heartbreak loss on time game from round 1.


[Event "Chongqing World Youth U/16 Olympiad"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2013.07.22"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Yuting, Wang"]
[Black "Narenthran, Savithri"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A43"]
[PlyCount "69"]
[EventDate "2013.07.??"]
[EventType "team"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[EventCountry "CHN"]

1. d4 c5 2. dxc5 e6 3. Nf3 Bxc5 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Bg5 Qb6 6. e3 Qxb2 7. Bxf6 gxf6 8. Ne2 Nc6 9. a3 Qb6 10. Ng3 Ne5 11. Nxe5 Qa5+ 12. Qd2 Qxd2+ 13. Kxd2 fxe5 14.Ne4 Be7 15. Be2 Rg8 16. Bf3 d5 17. Ng3 Bd7 18. Rhb1 Bc6 19. Rb2 Rd8 20. Rbb1 Rd7 21. Ra2 e4 22. Be2 d4 23. exd4 Rxd4+ 24. Ke1 a6 25. c3 Ra4 26. Bd1 Rxa3 27.Rxa3 Bxa3 28. Rb3 Bc5 29. Be2 f5 30. Rb2 f4 31. Nh5 Rxg2 32. Nxf4 Rxh2 33. Nxe6 Bxf2+ 34. Kf1 e3 35. Bg4 1-0

Bill Gletsos
24-07-2013, 05:28 PM
Is there a clause in the regulations that says "The host nation is entitled to up to 40 additional teams"? I would be very interested to know who made the decision to allow all those Chinese teams, and on what grounds.

Maybe there is no limit to how many teams you can enter?

The fault (if there is any) is clearly in the regulations. In my opinion, there should be a cap on local teams at around four or five.
There are clauses in the regulations that permits FIDE member federations to send one team (the invited team) which gets free board and lodgings and as many additional teams as they like.
Therefore any country could have entered 40 teams, however the cost (travel & accomodation) would obviously be prohibitive.

Kevin Bonham
24-07-2013, 08:12 PM
Match now in progress:

1 IM Shardul Annasaheb Gagare 2419 : IM Bobby Cheng 2438
2 IM Karthikeyan Murali 2443 : Anton Smirnov 2289
3 IM Diptayan Ghosh 2473 : FM Justin Tan 2322
4 FM Sayantan Das 2368 : IM Ariel Dale Segal 2310

Aus 2 are playing an all-unrated Chinese team.

flushfyre
24-07-2013, 08:50 PM
Point taken Brendan, and thanks Bill for the clarification.

Just to make Kevin's post more explicit, there is a live feed of the Australian team 1 games here: http://wyco2013.cqyc.org.cn/News/en/news_list.jsp?typeId=news020201

Kevin Bonham
24-07-2013, 09:43 PM
Aus 1 beaten 3-1 by the strong Indian side. Bobby and Ari drew.

This is the final position of Ari's game according to the board (if correct):

8/5k1p/1q3pnP/pn1pppPB/1p1P4/1P2Q3/P3NPK1/8 w - - 0 1

White's a pawn down and according to the DGT board has 1:35 remaining. Not sure what the time control is.

Isn't white more or less winning after 39.gxf6 ?

Makes little difference as the event is match points and we still would have gone down anyway.

Ian_Rogers
25-07-2013, 12:19 AM
Dale saw that he might be better - he had been much worse for most of the game after what he described as a "mouse slip" Rac1? - but in time trouble he missed 39.exf6 e4 40.Bxg6+! and also wasn't sure about 39.exf6 Nxd4 40.Qxe5 Qxf6 41.Qxd4 Qg5+ (which also wins for White after 42.Ng3 because of the Qg7+ threat).
In any case he decided that the match was lost so there was no point in going on. The A team had their first off day, Tan being badly beaten and Cheng and Smirnov never with serious winning chances.
Australia A's next opponent is the most impressive of the 'unknown' Chinese teams - one which beat USA1 today.

Australia B looked good today, though Narenthran's horror run continued, turning a winning attack into an inferior pawn ending thanks to a time trouble hallucination. They are getting a little tired of playing only Chinese opponents on whom they have no information (and when their opponents are not Chinese, they are Russia!).

Kevin Bonham
25-07-2013, 12:36 AM
Dale saw that he might be better - he had been much worse for most of the game after what he described as a "mouse slip" Rac1? - but in time trouble he missed 39.exf6 e4 40.Bxg6+! and also wasn't sure about 39.exf6 Nxd4 40.Qxe5 Qxf6 41.Qxd4 Qg5+ (which also wins for White after 42.Ng3 because of the Qg7+ threat).

Yes it's a very messy position to try to calculate in any sort of time trouble so I certainly don't blame him for taking the draw a pawn down in all that.

Kevin Bonham
25-07-2013, 04:41 PM
Interesting stuff in round 5 with India held to 2-2 by 7th seeds Turkey and Russia only just getting up only 6th seeds USA 2. So Russia takes the outright lead.

Aus 1 beat one of the Chinese teams with three 2000s players 3-1 [EDIT: Now showing as a 2-2 draw, see posts below]. Aus 2 beat an all-unrated Chinese school team 4-0.

Round 6 (presumably this is a double round day) and Aus 1 play 27th seeds South Korea. One of their players is 2100+ but for whatever reason is listed 5 of 6; the rest are sub-2000.

Aus 2 play a Chinese school who have two 2100+s and two unrateds.

pax
25-07-2013, 05:44 PM
Interesting stuff in round 5 with India held to 2-2 by 7th seeds Turkey and Russia only just getting up only 6th seeds USA 2. So Russia takes the outright lead.

Aus 1 beat one of the Chinese teams with three 2000s players 3-1. Aus 2 beat an all-unrated Chinese school team 4-0

Aus 1 went 2-2 unless I am mistaken. Bobby and Liu won.

Bill Gletsos
25-07-2013, 05:44 PM
Aus 1 beat one of the Chinese teams with three 2000s players 3-1.Chess results is showing it as 2-2 not 3-1.

Kevin Bonham
25-07-2013, 05:49 PM
Yes, this page:

http://wyco2013.cqyc.org.cn/News/en/news_detail.jsp?newsId=100000301

was showing that Anton won when I looked before the above post, but that has now been altered. Team pairing and score unchanged.

Desmond
25-07-2013, 07:46 PM
There is a reason why most of the other teams (even western countries including ours) also have at least one Chinese kid on the team...i'll leave you to think that overIs it because Chinese is about 1/5 of the world population?

Kevin Bonham
25-07-2013, 08:11 PM
Moderation Notice

I have deleted some posts in which antichrist cast idiotic aspersions on the selections for this event. Had antichrist checked the selections thread he could have seen that in the selected order for the event in question, all male applicants were ranked above all female applicants, and therefore his claim was clearly without merit.

antichrist is banned from posting on this thread again without moderator permission.

pax
25-07-2013, 09:50 PM
India defeats Russia 2.5-1.5 to throw the event wide open!

pax
25-07-2013, 10:08 PM
Results up: Aus1 had a 4-0 win over South Korea, while Aus2 went down to a China team with a couple of 2100s.

Two match points separate the top ten teams - the top eleven ranked minus USA 1, who have had a shocker, sitting on only 5 match points. The 11th ranked China 2 are sitting level with Russia just behind India.

Ian_Rogers
25-07-2013, 11:42 PM
Both teams were out on their feet today and are very happy to see the rest day tomorrow.
he A team was lucky to draw their morning match against the number 4 Chinese team who had beaten the US and lost 1.5 to Hungary. The great save was Liu who played a winning combination, mucked up his move order, and then had to turn a drawn ending into an unlikely win. (Meanwhile Cheng was winning a tough rook ending after Tan and Smirnov had off days.)
The following match, against a young, overperforming South Korean team was more encouraging, Smirnov bouncing back well.
The B team looked good in the morning and suffered in the afternoon. With Saturday's pairing they will soon have played 6 Chinese teams plus Russia, which is not why they came to the World Youth Olympiad.

[Event "Chongqing World Youth U/16 Olympiad"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2013.07.25"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Yang, Wengyi"]
[Black "Liu, Yi"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C01"]
[PlyCount "130"]
[EventDate "2013.07.??"]
[EventType "team-swiss"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[EventCountry "CHN"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 exd5 4. Bd3 Nc6 5. Ne2 Bd6 6. c3 Qf6 7. Qc2 Nge7 8.Ng3 g6 9. O-O h5 10. f4 h4 11. Ne2 Bf5 12. Nd2 O-O-O 13. Nf3 Qg7 14. Ne5 Bxd3 15. Qxd3 f6 16. Nf3 Nf5 17. b3 Rhe8 18. Bd2 Re7 19. Rfe1 Rde8 20. Kf2 Nd8 21.c4 dxc4 22. bxc4 c6 23. Nc3 Ne6 24. Re4 Nexd4 25. Nxd4 Bc5 26. Be3 Nxe3 27.Qxe3 f5 28. Re5 Rxe5 29. fxe5 Rxe5 30. Qd3 Re4 31. Nxe4 Qxd4+ 32. Ke2 Qb2+ 33.Qd2 Qe5 34. Re1 Qxe4+ 35. Kd1 Qb1+ 36. Ke2 Qe4+ 37. Kd1 Qb1+ 38. Ke2 Qb4 39.Qxb4 Bxb4 40. Rd1 Kc7 41. Kf3 Bd6 42. Rd3 Bxh2 43. Re3 Kd7 44. Rd3+ Kc7 45. Re3 Kd7 46. Rd3+ Ke7 47. Rb3 b6 48. Ra3 Bb8 49. Re3+ Kd7 50. Rd3+ Ke7 51. Re3+ Kd7 52. Rd3+ Bd6 53. Re3 g5 54. Rd3 Ke6 55. Re3+ Kd7 56. Rd3 g4+ 57. Ke2 Ke6 58.Re3+ Be5 59. Ra3 a5 60. Rb3 Bd4 61. Rd3 Ke5 62. Rb3 Ke4 63. a4 f4 64. Ra3 h3 65. g3 f3+ 0-1

pax
25-07-2013, 11:53 PM
With Saturday's pairing they will soon have played 6 Chinese teams plus Russia, which is not why they came to the World Youth Olympiad.

Yes. FIDE should impose a limit of five teams or something.

Capablanca-Fan
26-07-2013, 01:29 AM
[Event "Chongqing World Youth U/16 Olympiad"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2013.07.25"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Yang, Wengyi"]
[Black "Liu, Yi"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C01"]
[PlyCount "130"]
[EventDate "2013.07.??"]
[EventType "team-swiss"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[EventCountry "CHN"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 exd5 4. Bd3 Nc6 5. Ne2 Bd6 6. c3 Qf6 7. Qc2 Nge7 8.Ng3 g6 9. O-O h5 10. f4 h4 11. Ne2 Bf5 12. Nd2 O-O-O 13. Nf3 Qg7 14. Ne5 Bxd3 15. Qxd3 f6 16. Nf3 Nf5 17. b3 Rhe8 18. Bd2 Re7 19. Rfe1 Rde8 20. Kf2 Nd8 21.c4 dxc4 22. bxc4 c6 23. Nc3 Ne6 24. Re4 Nexd4 25. Nxd4 Bc5 26. Be3 Nxe3 27.Qxe3 f5 28. Re5 Rxe5 29. fxe5 Rxe5 30. Qd3 Re4 31. Nxe4 Qxd4+ 32. Ke2 Qb2+ 33.Qd2 Qe5 34. Re1 Qxe4+ 35. Kd1 Qb1+ 36. Ke2 Qe4+ 37. Kd1 Qb1+ 38. Ke2 Qb4 39.Qxb4 Bxb4 40. Rd1 Kc7 41. Kf3 Bd6 42. Rd3 Bxh2 43. Re3 Kd7 44. Rd3+ Kc7 45. Re3 Kd7 46. Rd3+ Ke7 47. Rb3 b6 48. Ra3 Bb8 49. Re3+ Kd7 50. Rd3+ Ke7 51. Re3+ Kd7 52. Rd3+ Bd6 53. Re3 g5 54. Rd3 Ke6 55. Re3+ Kd7 56. Rd3 g4+ 57. Ke2 Ke6 58.Re3+ Be5 59. Ra3 a5 60. Rb3 Bd4 61. Rd3 Ke5 62. Rb3 Ke4 63. a4 f4 64. Ra3 h3 65. g3 f3+ 0-1

Kevin Bonham
26-07-2013, 05:30 PM
Rest day. In tomorrow's first game Aus 1 play Iran who are mostly 2200sish with one over 2300. Aus 2 play another all unrated Chinese team.

BrendanNorman
26-07-2013, 06:43 PM
Is it because Chinese is about 1/5 of the world population?

Typical chess player... :) Using maths to interpret their worldview hehe...

I guess that would also explain why a coach I know in Guangzhou who is only a high school student (FIDE unrated but around 2200 level based on his online play I've witnessed), has a student of his own who is 8 years old and has lessons 3 days per week with him.

This 8 year old is 1800 rated at blitz on FICS (a server which has slightly deflated ratings).

This is not an isolated case but very common and I have a former student who I trained in Australia who moved back to Shanghai at age 6 (and already quite promising), and quit chess within a short time because his coach was too ambitious and harsh with him (despite him coming second in some U12 tournament shortly after arrival).

OR a school I collaborate with in Northern China who asked me to give a PPT presentation on chess followed by a short lesson...

Result?

50 reservations from cold prospects in the first day....in a city population the same size as Sydney.

Still putting it down to being "1/5 of the world population"?

Desmond
26-07-2013, 07:36 PM
Still putting it down to being "1/5 of the world population"?What do you put it down to?

Z&MLoh
26-07-2013, 10:51 PM
Rest day. In tomorrow's first game Aus 1 play Iran who are mostly 2200sish with one over 2300. Aus 2 play another all unrated Chinese team.

Aus 2 is playing another Chinese team (CD Chess Team) with 2 players rated over 1900. This WYCO tournament certainly has the flavour of "China against the rest of the world".


39. CD CHESS TEAM (RtgAvg:1474, TB1: 6 / TB2: 12)
Bo. Name Rtg 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Pts. Games RtgAvg n w we w-we K rtg+/-
1 Shao Xinzhe 1986 0 0 1 1 1 0 3.0 6 1415 2 1 0.41 0.59 0 0.0
2 Dong Nanxi 1908 0 1 1 0 1 3.5 6 1398 2 0 0.41 -0.41 0 0.0
3 Liu Yujia 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 2.0 6 1389 2 0
4 Xue Shixuan 0 0 1 1 0 1 3.5 6 1383 2 0

Z&MLoh
26-07-2013, 11:07 PM
In this news photo posted in FIDE.com, you can make out the Aussies front and centre in the auditorium. :)

http://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS_2013/FIDE/World_Youth_U16/standing_for_anthem.jpg

BrendanNorman
26-07-2013, 11:08 PM
What do you put it down to?

To save this thread from being flooded with irrelevant stuff, i'll just say...

"cultural differences"...the same cultural differences which assure that more pianos are sold in China than in the rest of the world combined.

If you'd like a more detailed elaboration, PM me...I'll leave this thread for experts like Ian to keep us up to date with the MUCH more interesting tournament updates ;)

BrendanNorman
26-07-2013, 11:13 PM
This WYCO tournament certainly has the flavour of "China against the rest of the world".


Interestingly, China doesn't actually really hold adult tournaments for non-elite players... So, if you aren't already a SUPER strong player by the time you are 18...your chess career is essentially over (as mentioned elsewhere, most mainland Chinese cannot afford to go abroad).

Watto
27-07-2013, 10:10 AM
Round 7 and 8 today, 11 am and 5:30 pm AEST I think (9 am and 3:30 pm in China). Good luck! :)

Ian_Rogers
27-07-2013, 10:55 AM
The team are about to start round 7.
Team selection is getting tricky, with everyone keen to play and a likely super-team waiting for the A team should they win this morning..

Here is a game from the top board of the B team; a pretty good illustration of how tough some of the low or unrated Chinese players can be to beat.

[Event "Chongqing World Youth U/16 Olympiad"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2013.07.25"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Xie, Dongwei"]
[Black "Chan, Michael"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D31"]
[PlyCount "132"]
[EventDate "2013.07.??"]
[EventType "team-swiss"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[EventCountry "CHN"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c6 4. Nf3 dxc4 5. a4 Bb4 6. Ne5 c5 7. e3 cxd4 8. exd4 Nf6 9. Bxc4 O-O 10. O-O h6 11. Be3 Nbd7 12. Qb3 Qe7 13. Rfd1 Nb6 14. Be2 Nbd5 15. Bf3 Rd8 16. Rac1 Ba5 17. Ne4 Nxe4 18. Bxe4 Bb6 19. Rd2 Bd7 20. Bxd5 exd5 21. Nxd7 Rxd7 22. Rdc2 Rdd8 23. Rc3 Qf6 24. Qd1 Re8 25. Qd3 Rad8 26. b4 Re4 27.Rc8 Qe6 28. Rxd8+ Bxd8 29. a5 g6 30. Qc3 Kg7 31. b5 Bxa5 32. Bxh6+ Kxh6 33.Qxa5 Rxd4 34. Qxa7 Re4 35. Qa5 d4 36. Qd2+ Kh7 37. h3 Qe5 38. b6 Re2 39. Qd3 Re1+ 40. Rxe1 Qxe1+ 41. Kh2 Qxf2 42. Qe4 d3 43. Qxd3 Qxb6 44. Qc4 Qf6 45. Qb5 b6 46. Kh1 Qe6 47. Qb4 Kg8 48. Qb5 Qe1+ 49. Kh2 Qe3 50. Qd5 Qf4+ 51. Kh1 Qc1+ 52. Kh2 Qc5 53. Qa8+ Kh7 54. Qa7 Qe5+ 55. Kh1 Qe1+ 56. Kh2 Qf2 57. Qc7 Kg7 58.Qc3+ Qf6 59. Qb4 Qe5+ 60. Kh1 b5 61. Qb3 Kg8 62. Qb4 Qd5 63. Kh2 Qc4 64. Qb2 b4 65. Kh1 Qc3 66. Qf2 Kg7 0-1

Capablanca-Fan
27-07-2013, 11:46 AM
[Event "Chongqing World Youth U/16 Olympiad"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2013.07.25"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Xie, Dongwei"]
[Black "Chan, Michael"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D31"]
[PlyCount "132"]
[EventDate "2013.07.??"]
[EventType "team-swiss"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[EventCountry "CHN"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c6 4. Nf3 dxc4 5. a4 Bb4 6. Ne5 c5 7. e3 cxd4 8. exd4 Nf6 9. Bxc4 O-O 10. O-O h6 11. Be3 Nbd7 12. Qb3 Qe7 13. Rfd1 Nb6 14. Be2 Nbd5 15. Bf3 Rd8 16. Rac1 Ba5 17. Ne4 Nxe4 18. Bxe4 Bb6 19. Rd2 Bd7 20. Bxd5 exd5 21. Nxd7 Rxd7 22. Rdc2 Rdd8 23. Rc3 Qf6 24. Qd1 Re8 25. Qd3 Rad8 26. b4 Re4 27.Rc8 Qe6 28. Rxd8+ Bxd8 29. a5 g6 30. Qc3 Kg7 31. b5 Bxa5 32. Bxh6+ Kxh6 33.Qxa5 Rxd4 34. Qxa7 Re4 35. Qa5 d4 36. Qd2+ Kh7 37. h3 Qe5 38. b6 Re2 39. Qd3 Re1+ 40. Rxe1 Qxe1+ 41. Kh2 Qxf2 42. Qe4 d3 43. Qxd3 Qxb6 44. Qc4 Qf6 45. Qb5 b6 46. Kh1 Qe6 47. Qb4 Kg8 48. Qb5 Qe1+ 49. Kh2 Qe3 50. Qd5 Qf4+ 51. Kh1 Qc1+ 52. Kh2 Qc5 53. Qa8+ Kh7 54. Qa7 Qe5+ 55. Kh1 Qe1+ 56. Kh2 Qf2 57. Qc7 Kg7 58.Qc3+ Qf6 59. Qb4 Qe5+ 60. Kh1 b5 61. Qb3 Kg8 62. Qb4 Qd5 63. Kh2 Qc4 64. Qb2 b4 65. Kh1 Qc3 66. Qf2 Kg7 0-1

Kevin Bonham
27-07-2013, 02:44 PM
Aus 2 is playing another Chinese team (CD Chess Team) with 2 players rated over 1900.

I took their supposed all-unrated status off the Players page. I'll avoid doing that in future as in this case it was missing ratings for players who had them.

Kevin Bonham
27-07-2013, 03:02 PM
Something odd happened there as I thought the top India Hungary game was showing as having been drawn, but it is clearly still going with India a pawn up. They also saved the second which I thought they would lose, and will keep their lead after China 2 drew with Russia.

DSS
27-07-2013, 03:25 PM
Just heard from Simon that both Australian teams won! :clap:

pax
27-07-2013, 03:51 PM
Awesome result for Australia 1 with a 3-1 win to leave them 5th (=2-5). China 1 coming in round 8, and an opportunity to shoot for a high placing.

Aus 2 also won 3-1, and now rather extraordinarily face their 7th Chinese club team in 8 rounds.

flushfyre
27-07-2013, 04:51 PM
Eight draws on the eight live boards - clearly these players are going to become GMs very soon!

Kevin Bonham
27-07-2013, 06:44 PM
Tough matches for both Aus teams on at present.

8.3 4 China 1 - 5 Australia 1
1 GM Wei Yi 2557 : IM Bobby Cheng 2438
2   Bai Jinshi 2399 :   Anton Smirnov 2289
3   Wang Yiye 2249 : IM Ariel Dale Segal 2310
4   Dai Changren 2174 :   Yi Liu 2174

8.12 18 Australia 2 - 29 QD NO.2 MIDDLE SCHOOL ZY CHESS CLUB
1   Zachary Loh 2016 :   Chen Miaomiao 0
2   Jack Puccini 1957 :   Li Shenyue 2081
3 WFM Savithri Narenthran 1771 :   Wang Yukun 1901
4   Shirley Gu 1687 :   Wang Dongkai 1868

Ian_Rogers
27-07-2013, 07:11 PM
Just a note on the board prizes - Dale is currently in gold medal position on board 4, Liu looking at silver on board 5 and Cheng currently sixth on board 1.
(For the first time the board prizes will be done on performance rating, not percentage.)
Of course all three of Australia' high performing players will likely have to win games against teams like China and Russia to maintain their medal position.

Z&MLoh
27-07-2013, 07:27 PM
At round 9 of the World Youth Under-16 Olympiad, this is a tally of the number of Chinese teams that every country has had to play; and there is 1 more round to go after this. The average is 5.5 out of 9 games.


Chinese teams
Australia 1 3
Australia 2 8
Chile 7
Czech Republic 7
England 1 8
England 2 5
Georgia 6
Hong Kong 4
Hungary 5
Indonesia 4
India 2
Iran 5
Kazakhstan 3
Kyrgyzstan 6
Korea 5
Macau 8
Malaysia 7
Mongolia 6
South Africa 1 8
South Africa 2 5
South Africa 3 5
Russia 3
Singapore 6
Slovenia 6
Sweden 9
Chinese Taipei 6
Turkey 5
USA 1 5
USA 2 4
Vietnam 5
Average 5.5

Hong Kong, Macau and Chinese Taipei are not included in the count as Chinese teams.

pax
27-07-2013, 09:20 PM
India and Russia shaping up for solid wins on the top two boards, meaning Australia will need a win to stay in touch.

pax
27-07-2013, 10:38 PM
4-0 loss to China will be pretty devastating to Aus 1. They are now pretty well out of contention for the podium, and may yet have to face Russia in the last round depending on other results.

Bill Gletsos
27-07-2013, 10:53 PM
AUS1 to play Slovenia and AUS2 to play another Chinese team.

Ian_Rogers
27-07-2013, 11:51 PM
Pretty bad afternoon for Australia.

After 2 hours the A team's match was looking quite good, with Liu and Dale an hour ahead on the clock and with excellent positions and Smirnov equal. (Cheng was outprepared and always in trouble.) Dale threw everything away with four bad moves, and Smirnov was outplayed, but Liu was winning almost until the last moment when he blundered in time trouble.

Team B hada similar sad story. Loh drew fairly quickly and Puccini won, while Narenthran had a winning position against an opponent who had scored 7/7 and Gu managed to win a piece at the expense of some counterplay. However time trouble hit both girls the time limit offers no second time control so by move 40 most of the Australians tend to be playing on the 30 second increment. Shirley knocked back a draw and then walked into a mate while Narenthran lost her extra pawns and was tricked a few times before losing.

So fourth place is now the best Australia A can hope for and the B team can only hope for non-Chinese team in the last round.

Ian_Rogers
28-07-2013, 12:16 AM
Shirley Gu's round 8 game - from move 25 she was playing on increment.

[Event "Chongqing World Youth U/16 Olympiad"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2013.07.27"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Wang, Dongkai"]
[Black "Gu, Shirley"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D94"]
[PlyCount "109"]
[EventDate "2013.07.??"]
[EventType "team-swiss"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[EventCountry "CHN"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Nc3 g6 5. Nf3 Bg7 6. Bd3 Bg4 7. h3 Bxf3 8. Qxf3 O-O 9. O-O e6 10. Rb1 Nbd7 11. Qe2 Rc8 12. c5 e5 13. Bc2 Re8 14. Qd3 b6 15. b4 a5 16. a3 Rb8 17. Ne2 bxc5 18. dxc5 e4 19. Qd1 Ne5 20. Nd4 Nfd7 21. Re1 Qc7 22.Re2 Nf8 23. f4 exf3 24. gxf3 Ne6 25. Nxe6 Rxe6 26. f4 Nd7 27. Qe1 f5 28. Bd2 axb4 29. axb4 Ree8 30. Bd3 Rec8 31. Bc3 Nf8 32. Bxg7 Qxg7 33. Rc2 Ne6 34. Qd2 Qe7 35. Qc3 Qd7 36. Rg2 Kf7 37. Ra2 d4 38. Qb3 Kf8 39. Bc4 Nxc5 40. Qc2 Ne4 41.Rd1 Qe7 42. Rxd4 Rxb4 43. Ra1 Qh4 44. Qg2 c5 45. Rd7 Rxc4 46. Raa7 Nf6 47. Rg7 Re4 48. Raf7+ Ke8 49. Ra7 Re6 50. Kh2 Kf8 51. Raf7+ Ke8 52. Ra7 Re4 53. Qd2 Ng4+ 54. Kg2 Nf6 55. Rg8+ 1-0

Capablanca-Fan
28-07-2013, 01:13 AM
[Event "Chongqing World Youth U/16 Olympiad"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2013.07.27"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Wang, Dongkai"]
[Black "Gu, Shirley"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D94"]
[PlyCount "109"]
[EventDate "2013.07.??"]
[EventType "team-swiss"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[EventCountry "CHN"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Nc3 g6 5. Nf3 Bg7 6. Bd3 Bg4 7. h3 Bxf3 8. Qxf3 O-O 9. O-O e6 10. Rb1 Nbd7 11. Qe2 Rc8 12. c5 e5 13. Bc2 Re8 14. Qd3 b6 15. b4 a5 16. a3 Rb8 17. Ne2 bxc5 18. dxc5 e4 19. Qd1 Ne5 20. Nd4 Nfd7 21. Re1 Qc7 22.Re2 Nf8 23. f4 exf3 24. gxf3 Ne6 25. Nxe6 Rxe6 26. f4 Nd7 27. Qe1 f5 28. Bd2 axb4 29. axb4 Ree8 30. Bd3 Rec8 31. Bc3 Nf8 32. Bxg7 Qxg7 33. Rc2 Ne6 34. Qd2 Qe7 35. Qc3 Qd7 36. Rg2 Kf7 37. Ra2 d4 38. Qb3 Kf8 39. Bc4 Nxc5 40. Qc2 Ne4 41.Rd1 Qe7 42. Rxd4 Rxb4 43. Ra1 Qh4 44. Qg2 c5 45. Rd7 Rxc4 46. Raa7 Nf6 47. Rg7 Re4 48. Raf7+ Ke8 49. Ra7 Re6 50. Kh2 Kf8 51. Raf7+ Ke8 52. Ra7 Re4 53. Qd2 Ng4+ 54. Kg2 Nf6 55. Rg8+ 1-0

Z&MLoh
28-07-2013, 10:49 PM
At the World Youth Under-16 Olympiad in Chongqing, China, this is a tally of the number of Chinese teams that every country has had to play. The average is 6.3 out of 10 games.

Chinese teams
Australia 1 3
Australia 2 9
Chile 8
Czech Republic 7
England 1 9
England 2 6
Georgia 7
Hong Kong 5
Hungary 6
Indonesia 4
India 2
Iran 5
Kazakhstan 4
Kyrgyzstan 7
Korea 6
Macau 9
Malaysia 7
Mongolia 7
South Africa 1 9
South Africa 2 6
South Africa 3 6
Russia 3
Singapore 7
Slovenia 7
Sweden 10
Chinese Taipei 7
Turkey 6
USA 1 6
USA 2 5
Vietnam 5
Average 6.3
Hong Kong, Macau and Chinese Taipei are not included in the count as Chinese teams.

Aus 1 is playing Russia and Aus 2 is playing another unrated Chinese team in Round 10. I don't think there will be many countries going to China for another youth tournament after this debacle.

Kevin Bonham
29-07-2013, 12:34 AM
India 16 plays Iran 14
Aus 1 13 plays Russia 15
Turkey 13 plays China 2 13
WXXL CHESS CLUB 12 plays Hungary 13
Georgia 12 plays China 1 13

and there are another three on twelve and eight on eleven.

1 IM Bobby Cheng 2438 : IM Vladislav Artemyev 2554
2   Anton Smirnov 2289 : IM Grigory Oparin 2497
3 FM Justin Tan 2322 : FM Kirill Alekseenko 2449
4 IM Ariel Dale Segal 2310 :   Maxim Vavulin 2356

Ian_Rogers
29-07-2013, 01:56 AM
The A team did what was needed, with only Liu losing after refusing a repetition and playing for a win (unsoundly) in the hope of improving the team's tiebreak.
To win a team medal, the team needs to beat Russia by any margin and for a couple of other results to go our way.
Dale remains in silver medal position on board 4 and a win might with luck push him up to gold.
Tan has been brought back into the team for the match-up against Russia to take on Alekseenko, a player he has previously beaten.
Team B ran into their eighth Chinese team today, a strong one, and will tomorrow play a ninth in the final round. (Sweden is even worse off having played only Chinese teams while South Africa 1 will have played nine Chinese teams plus a match against another South African team!)

Watto
29-07-2013, 08:25 AM
Thanks for all the reports, Ian. Good luck today against Russia - hope both Aussie teams finish well!

It must be so disappointing/infuriating for Australia 2 (and all the other overseas teams in the same boat) to have played hardly any world teams. Hopefully the example of this event will bring about a new rule limiting the number of teams any one country can field.

Australia vs Russia should be live 11 am AEST today: http://wyco2013.cqyc.org.cn/News/en/news_list.jsp?typeId=news020201

Ian_Rogers
29-07-2013, 08:36 AM
One piece of good news - Ari Dale has secured the silver medal on board 4, win lose or draw today.

Watto
29-07-2013, 09:19 AM
One piece of good news - Ari Dale has secured the silver medal on board 4, win lose or draw today.
That's great news. Congratulations Ari! :clap:

Ian_Rogers
29-07-2013, 09:47 AM
Smirnov's win from yesterday's match against Slovenia.

[Event "Chongqing World Youth U/16 Olympiad"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2013.07.28"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Markoja, S."]
[Black "Smirnov, Anton"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C82"]
[PlyCount "56"]
[EventDate "2013.07.??"]
[EventType "team-swiss"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[EventCountry "CHN"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Nxe4 6. d4 b5 7. Bb3 d5 8. dxe5 Be6 9. c3 Bc5 10. Nbd2 O-O 11. Bc2 Nxf2 12. Rxf2 f6 13. exf6 Bxf2+ 14. Kxf2 Qxf6 15. Nb3 Ne5 16. Kg1 Rae8 17. Be3 Nxf3+ 18. Qxf3 Qxf3 19. gxf3 Rxf3 20. Bd2 Bh3 21. Nd4 Rf6 22. b4 Ref8 23. Bd3 Rf2 24. Be3 Rb2 25. a3 Re8 26. Re1 Rg2+ 27.Kh1 Ra2 28. Bc2 Rxe3 0-1

Garrett
29-07-2013, 10:04 AM
Good luck today teams ! You've done us proud ! :clap:

Well done to Ari ! :clap:

As to China it is great that they only entered one team per 30 million people.

If we did the same there would be nothing to whinge about.

I'm sure South Africa and Sweden would have played more international sides if they were any good, it's great there (unless I'm mistaken) is no minimum standard to meet.

Great opportunity to see some of China, play some good players, and HTFU.

cheers Garrett.

Watto
29-07-2013, 10:45 AM
Good luck today teams ! You've done us proud ! :clap:

Well done to Ari ! :clap:

As to China it is great that they only entered one team per 30 million people.

If we did the same there would be nothing to whinge about.

I'm sure South Africa and Sweden would have played more international sides if they were any good, it's great there (unless I'm mistaken) is no minimum standard to meet.

Great opportunity to see some of China, play some good players, and HTFU.

cheers Garrett.
It's hard enough when you're from a small country to compete with countries with a massive pool of players to choose from, without those countries fielding 40 more teams than you have. China has more teams in this competition than the rest of them put together. There are something like 42 Chinese teams to 30 overseas teams, from what I can gather looking at the teams on the official website.

Also, I'm pretty sure the opportunity that the overseas teams were hoping for was not merely to see China and play some good chess but to play and meet teams from around the world. Even the weakest teams generally get that at an Olympiad. This isn't the U16 China Open, it's a world olympiad.

antichrist
29-07-2013, 10:51 AM
Good luck today teams ! You've done us proud ! :clap:

Well done to Ari ! :clap:

As to China it is great that they only entered one team per 30 million people.

If we did the same there would be nothing to whinge about.

I'm sure South Africa and Sweden would have played more international sides if they were any good, it's great there (unless I'm mistaken) is no minimum standard to meet.

Great opportunity to see some of China, play some good players, and HTFU.

cheers Garrett.

a differing interesting manner of seeing things - also it gave those Chinese teams the only opportunity to play international teams whilst rest of the world can do so every year. But still feel sorryish for rest of world lower teams.

MichaelBaron
29-07-2013, 11:40 AM
First of all, congrats to our team! It is great to see them on top boards throughout the event! :clap: Hard to imagine our adult team playing Russia in the last round of a team event so we can only hope that the team will continue to develop at the same pace! I believe it is the strongest Aus Junior team ever!

On another note, while it may not be a happy experience to play 8 Chinese teams in a row while playing an overseas tournament, how many countries are there that can field 40 teams that are more or less competitive? I can think about China, India and Russia only! It is a great experience for young Chinese players, so lets not deprive them of it.

Desmond
29-07-2013, 11:50 AM
how many countries are there that can field 40 teams that are more or less competitive? I can think about China, India and Russia only! Perhaps they should have. If some of the neighbouring countries fielded more teams it would dilute the problem.

Watto
29-07-2013, 12:28 PM
Australia vs Russia should be live 11 am AEST today: http://wyco2013.cqyc.org.cn/News/en/news_list.jsp?typeId=news020201
For those who can't access the shoutbox, another reminder that the games are live at the moment… :)

antichrist
29-07-2013, 12:58 PM
For those who can't access the shoutbox, another reminder that the games are live at the moment… :)

thanks extremely so for your concern, I will check out immediately

my expert commentary in the Cheng game is that due to black only having a queenside bishop it is at disadvantage (but who asks me)

Ian_Rogers
29-07-2013, 01:47 PM
Team B has won 4-0 today.
Team A is fading after a promising start.

peter_parr
29-07-2013, 02:12 PM
The following article was published in the 41st year of my chess column in the Sydney Morning Herald on Monday 29th July 2013.

India leads the World Youth Under-16 Olympiad in Chongqing a municipality with over 30 million inhabitants on the Yangtze River, China. Progress scores of the Australian official team in board order is :- IM Bobby Cheng (2438) 5/7 , FM Anton Smirnov (2289) 2.5/6 , FM Justin Tan (2322) 1.5/5 , IM Ari Dale (2310) 5.5/7 , Yi Liu (2174) 5/7. Australia lost only two matches to India 1-3 who are in first place and 0-4 to China no 1 team in second place. Australia I in their other matches drew 2-2 with CDSD (CHN) and defeated SZZZ (CHN) 3-1, England II 4-0, Georgia 2.5-1.5, South Korea 4-0 and Iran 3-1.

Progress scores of Australia B Team in board order is :- Michael Chan (2057) 2.5/6 , Zachary Loh (2016) 4.5/7 , Jack Puccini (1957) 5/6 , WFM Savithri Narenthran (1771) 0.5/7 , Shirley Gu (1687) 3/6. The team lost 0-4 to top seeds Russia and has played against teams from China
in each of the other seven matches. Leading scores after round eight (72 teams from 26 countries including 42 from China, 10 rounds) :- India 14/16 match points , China I , Russia and China II each 13. Australia I is in 8th place with 11 match points and Australia II is in 39th place with 8/16 match points. The organisation is excellent but in future events FIDE may limit the number of teams from one country and the number of countries represented are expected to increase substantially.

Kevin Bonham
29-07-2013, 03:10 PM
Aus 1.5-2.5 Russia

An impressively close match against such a strong opponent but we won't get a lot of credit for it in the standings.

India have sealed their match and won the tournament.

Garrett
29-07-2013, 03:20 PM
Well done Oz, that was a fascintating match to follow ! :clap:

Ian_Rogers
29-07-2013, 05:51 PM
A very disappointed group of Australian players are preparing for the closing ceremony in just over an hour.
The Australian A team had their chances today - although Tan was in trouble, Cheng and Smirnov were close to winning and Dale had enough for his sacrificed pawn. Then everything went haywire, but it was clear as soon as Oparin found the fantastic defence Re4!! that there was no chance to win the match (which would have left Australia tied for second place). Cheng took ridiculous risks to try to tie the match but could not inflict Artemyev's only defeat of the tournament.
In the end, a tie for eighth was close the lowest position we can occupied for the entire tournament. At least Dale comes home with a silver medal - our first at a Youth Olympiad (to my knowledge).

Ian_Rogers
29-07-2013, 05:54 PM
http://wyco2013.cqyc.org.cn/News/en/news_detail.jsp?newsId=100000386
gives the final scores after the ring-in teams (not eligible for placings) were removed.

pax
29-07-2013, 06:43 PM
I think they should all be rightly proud of their efforts. It's a tremendous thing for Australia to be competitive at the highest level in this sort of event. With luck, perhaps Anton can lead the team to a podium or win in the next few years.

Carl Gorka
29-07-2013, 08:12 PM
Great effort all round, players, coaches and organisers :clap:

BrendanNorman
29-07-2013, 10:52 PM
Congratulations to the Aussie team!

I'll bet regardless of which country the opposition teams were from, it was a very tough event.

Would love to have seen the games!

By the way... did the team take measures before arriving in case of things like "foreigner's stomach"?

I'm sure Yuan would have advised on this anyway, but just for info...

Most westerners upon entering China generally have stomach problems within a week due to the quality of the water and overall lower level of hygiene (obviously this wouldn't affect guys like Bobby :) )

Anyway this can be avoided by a course of pro-biotics prior to landing ;) .

Just saying, perhaps this could have contributed to the strong start and "fading" finish (it takes several days for the stomach to be filled with the bad bacteria which causes stomach problems/diarrhea) ?

This is also something which is a little embarrassing to advise the coaches and parents of when it comes up...

Maybe, maybe not...but a strong possibility.

Well done to all the coaches and players anyway, especially Dale on his silver medal.

Lets hope the organizers can set some standards (i.e max number of teams) for next time...

I agree that 40 teams is a lot but if its within the rules , the fault lands square on the organizers for lack of foresight...not the players, many of whom seized a once in a lifetime opportunity.

MichaelBaron
30-07-2013, 11:47 AM
I think the team did extremely well!~ :clap: I was truly amazed how we could be competitive against a team like Russia. Imagine our ''adult'' team playing Russia - I think Kramnik could give them a simul and win most games! Now the big challenge is - to keep encouraging the youngsters not to give up chess during transition into the adult life and make the Australian chess scene grow.
All of the junior team members have what it takes to become GMs in future - so lets hope it does happen!

peter_parr
05-08-2013, 01:18 PM
The following article was published in the 41st year of my chess column in the Sydney Morning Herald on Monday 5th August 2013.

India Wins Youth Olympaid
Peter Parr

India seeded second won the World Youth U-16 Olympiad last week in Chongqing, China. India defeated Russia 2.5-1.5 despite Russia winning the following spectacular brevity on board four.

M.Vavulin v D.Changren
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 e6 7.g4 e5 8.Nf5 g6 9.g5 gxf5 10.exf5 d5 11.Qf3 d4 12.000 Qa5 13.gxf6 Nc6 14.Bc4 h5 15.Ne4 dxe3 16.Ng5 Nd4 17.Bxf7+ Kd8 18.fxe3 Bh6 19.h4 Qc7 20.Qd5+ Bd7 21.exd4 e4 22.Kb1 Kc8 23.Qxe4 1-0

Australia were paired with the top seeds Russia in the final round and the match was evenly balanced after 4 hours play but the final score was AUS 1.5 v RUS 2.5. IM Bobby Cheng (AUS 2438) stood better against IM Vladislav Artemyev (RUS 2554) who played well to draw the game and take the gold medal for the best performance rating on top board.

Final scores of the Australia official team in board order:- IM Bobby Cheng (2438) 6.5/9 and sixth best on board 1, FM Anton Smirnov (2289) 4/8, FM Justin Tan (2322) 2/6, IM Ari Dale (2310, silver medal for board 4) 6.5/9 and Yi Liu (2174) 5/8.

Australia B Team in board order:- Michael Chan (2057) 4/8, Zachary Loh (2016) 5.5/9 Jack Puccini (1957) 6.5/8, WFM Savithri Narenthran (1771) 0.5/7, Shirley Gu (1687) 4/8.

Leading final scores:- India 18/20, Russia 17, Turkey and Hungary 15 . Australia I was in ninth place with 13 and Australia II finished in 25th place (5 matches wins, 5 losses, game points 20.5/40)

Agent Smith
07-08-2013, 09:52 AM
Thanks Mr Rogers for the updates... An interesting tournament. :)

Ian wrote up this one in the paper. Bobby got beaten up in one of his favourite lines by a well prepared Wei Yi, who only used 2 min (+30 seconds incr) for the whole game!

BTW, there is a handful of other games in the latest TWIC PGN. The tournament site doesnt seem to have any PGN.

[Event "Chongqing World Youth U/16 Olympiad"]
[Site "Chongqing CHN"]
[White "Wei Yi"]
[Black "Cheng, Bobby"]
[Result "1-0"]

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Bf5 5.Ng3 Bg6 6.h4 h6 7.Nf3 Nd7 8.h5 Bh7
9.Bd3 Bxd3 10.Qxd3 e6
( 10...Qc7 11.-- O-O-O )
11.Bd2 Ngf6 12.O-O-O Be7 13.Kb1 O-O 14.Ne4 Nxe4 15.Qxe4 Nf6 16.Qe2 Qd5 17.
Be3
( 17.c4 Qe4+ )
17...Bd6 18.g4 Nxg4 19.Rdg1 f5 20.Bd2
( 20.Bc1 )
20...Kh7
( 20...Be7 )
21.Nh4 Nf6 22.f3 Be7 23.Qg2 Ne8 24.Bxh6
( 24.Qg6+ Kg8 25.Qxh6 Rd8 )
24...Rf7 25.Qg6+ Kg8 26.Be3 f4 27.h6 e5 28.Nf5 fxe3 29.Qh7+
( 29.Qh7+ Kxh7 30.hxg7+ Kg8 31.Rh8# )
1-0