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Kevin Bonham
03-05-2013, 11:55 PM
Current news is that this match, expected to be held in November, has been scheduled for Chennai but Carlsen doesn't like it and the Norwegian Chess Federation has complained about the lack of a competitive bidding procedure:

http://chessbase.com/Home/TabId/211/PostId/4009711/norway-sends-complaint-about-carlsen-match-030513.aspx

It's also been mentioned at some stages that they are concerned about the food there.

Capablanca-Fan
04-05-2013, 07:03 AM
Current news is that this match, expected to be held in November, has been scheduled for Chennai but Carlsen doesn't like it and the Norwegian Chess Federation has complained about the lack of a competitive bidding procedure:

http://chessbase.com/Home/TabId/211/PostId/4009711/norway-sends-complaint-about-carlsen-match-030513.aspx

It's also been mentioned at some stages that they are concerned about the food there.
Also, it seems unfair to play in one player's home country. I thought that this was against FIDE rules.

Oepty
04-05-2013, 09:51 AM
Why is it being called the Carlsen - Anand match?
Surely Anand as the WC deserves to go first and it should be the Anand - Carlsen match.

Bollard
04-05-2013, 10:50 AM
I think Anand has done more than enough over the years to have earned a home defense of his title. He managed to beat Topolov on the latters home turf, and that was after having travel plans thoroughly shredded by the Icelandic volcano of a few years ago.

When Carlsen gets to be WC we'll see how prepared he is to play in his challengers country.

Kevin Bonham
04-05-2013, 11:08 AM
Why is it being called the Carlsen - Anand match?
Surely Anand as the WC deserves to go first and it should be the Anand - Carlsen match.

Changed.

I broadly agree with Bollard - provided conditions are adequate, Anand has more than earned a home title defence and should be granted one if possible.

Capablanca-Fan
04-05-2013, 03:51 PM
I think Anand has done more than enough over the years to have earned a home defense of his title. He managed to beat Topolov on the latters home turf, and that was after having travel plans thoroughly shredded by the Icelandic volcano of a few years ago.
That match shouldn't have been played on Topalov's home turf. But that wasn't Carlsen's fault!


When Carlsen gets to be WC we'll see how prepared he is to play in his challengers country.
I was talking about a neutral country.

Oepty
04-05-2013, 08:33 PM
I was talking about a neutral country.

So Switzerland then.

Bollard
05-05-2013, 10:24 AM
Jono,
I don't necessarily disagree with you about a neutral playing venue being desirable. Countering that is the obvious promotional benefit of a World Champion being able to play in front of their home fans. Imagine if an Australian was World Champion and the rules were such that there was no prospect of them ever defending that title in Australia.

Again, I'll say that in my opinion Anand has earned the chance for a home title defence. As World Champion he's been exemplary and an ornament to the game.

peter_parr
06-05-2013, 09:11 AM
The FIDE Presidential Board has confirmed the World Championship Match will be played in Chennai in November.

Adamski
10-05-2013, 12:59 AM
The FIDE Presidential Board has confirmed the World Championship Match will be played in Chennai in November.
Great news for me as I am hoping to be there for at least one game of the match.

Agent Smith
10-05-2013, 07:34 AM
You friggin' silver tail !

Make sure to post some photos and visit the vindaloo.

Adamski
10-05-2013, 08:02 AM
I have been warned that food in Chennaii is spicier and hence hotter than in other parts of India. I hope Magnus watches carefuly what he eats. I am sure he will.

I have to go to Chennai for work at some stage of the year for a week and my boss has agreed to it being November. I will bring back photographic evidence.

Oepty
10-05-2013, 10:23 AM
I have been warned that food in Chennaii is spicier and hence hotter than in other parts of India. I hope Magnus watches carefuly what he eats. I am sure he will.

I have to to Chennai for work at some stage of the year for a week and my boss has agreed to it being November. I will bring back photographic evidence.

Please get a photo of you standing in between Carlsen and Anand with your arms around their shoulders.

Desmond
10-05-2013, 08:42 PM
The FIDE Presidential Board has confirmed the World Championship Match will be played in Chennai in November.
Does this mean that Carlsen has agreed to play there or that FIDE is telling him to like it or lump it?

Bollard
10-05-2013, 09:07 PM
Does this mean that Carlsen has agreed to play there or that FIDE is telling him to like it or lump it?

Initially it would have been the latter, however Carlsen's statement indicates he's going to accept the decision.

Garrett
11-05-2013, 03:07 AM
One town's very like another When your head's down over your pieces, Brother.

Capablanca-Fan
11-05-2013, 03:33 AM
Jono,
I don't necessarily disagree with you about a neutral playing venue being desirable. Countering that is the obvious promotional benefit of a World Champion being able to play in front of their home fans. Imagine if an Australian was World Champion and the rules were such that there was no prospect of them ever defending that title in Australia.

Again, I'll say that in my opinion Anand has earned the chance for a home title defence. As World Champion he's been exemplary and an ornament to the game.
My comments were by no means a reflection on Anand. I agree that he is a worthy champion. In fact, I regard him as the 15th genuine World Champion in the line starting from Steinitz and continuing through Fischer, Karpov, Kasparov, and Kramnik.

Basil
11-05-2013, 03:52 PM
One town's very like another When your head's down over your pieces, Brother.
LIKE

Adamski
11-05-2013, 03:54 PM
One town's very like another When your head's down over your pieces, Brother.
But when in Bangkok you can't be too careful with your company!

peter_parr
13-05-2013, 12:17 PM
The following article was published in the 41st year of my chess column in the Sydney Morning Herald on Monday 13 May 2013.

The World Championship match between title-holder Vishy Anand (India) and challenger World no 1 Magnus Carlsen (Norway) will be played in Chennai, India 6-26 November.

Garrett
13-05-2013, 12:35 PM
Chennai seems to be 4.5 hours behind Brisbane at the moment.

This might mean a nice viewing time for us, perhaps as nice as 7:30pm if the games kick-off at 3pm in Chennai.

Start sweet-talking the better-halves dudes.

cheers
Garrett.

Garvinator
23-09-2013, 11:59 PM
Website is now out, but I can not find the game starting time anywhere in the regulations, or in the chessbase article. Does anyone know what time of day the games start at?

ER
24-09-2013, 05:23 AM
Only the dates but not exact starting times are shown.
While in Croatia I checked re ticket prices for the duration.
It comes to about AUS $450 for the whole match.
Croatian journos reckoned the whole information was very inconclusive at the time but that was more than a month ago!
Here's the official website for those interested
http://chennai2013.fide.com/
also here is the facebook link
https://www.facebook.com/pages/FIDE-World-Championship-Match-FWCM-2013/438596976250550

Garrett
24-09-2013, 03:09 PM
There is an ambiguous reference to 3pm in the regulations

3.2 The Players – shall inspect the playing hall in the presence of the Chief Arbiter and representatives of FIDE and the organizer, two (2) days before the first game of the FWCM at 3 pm. The Organizer shall use all reasonable endeavors to satisfy the reasonable requests of the players in relation to the playing hall.

ER
25-09-2013, 06:54 PM
There is an ambiguous reference to 3pm in the regulations

3.2 The Players – shall inspect the playing hall in the presence of the Chief Arbiter and representatives of FIDE and the organizer, two (2) days before the first game of the FWCM at 3 pm. The Organizer shall use all reasonable endeavors to satisfy the reasonable requests of the players in relation to the playing hall.

Correct Garrett! :)
I just got confirmation from the official website, here it is:


FIDE World Championship Match - FWCM 2013 3pm local time

Message sent 4 hours ago via facebook

So we (Eastern States) being 4 1/2 hours ahead of Chennai, we'll have the games broadcast live here starting at 7:30 PM

In WA the Count will know the moves and the results earlier than the rest of us mortals since Perth is only 2 1/2 hours ahead of Chennai! (NOT) :P :) OK joking aside the games will be starting there at 5:30 PM local time!

In South Australia the games will be starting at 7:00 PM local time since Adelaide is 4 hours ahead of Chennai.

Bollard
19-10-2013, 02:45 PM
Have you allowed for daylight savings in those calcs jak?

ER
20-10-2013, 01:56 AM
Have you allowed for daylight savings in those calcs jak?

oops, nop I have not Bollard! :( Being in Europe at this stage, doesn't make calculations any easier! I am sure as the opening of the match approaches, we 'll have a clearer picture! :)

Jesper Norgaard
20-10-2013, 07:52 AM
The following may be of interest:

When it is 15.00.00 Friday 1. November 2013 +0530
in India, Chennai (Madras) (GMT+5.5)

then it is 19.30.00 Friday 1. November 2013 +1000 AEST
in Australia - Queensland, Brisbane (GMT+10)

then it is 20.00.00 Friday 1. November 2013 +1030 ACDT
in Australia - South, Adelaide (GMT+9.5) ® - Daylight Saving is active
DST start : 2.00.00 Sunday 7. October 2012 +0930 ACST
DST end : 3.00.00 Sunday 7. April 2013 +1030 ACDT
DST start : 2.00.00 Sunday 6. October 2013 +0930 ACST
DST end : 3.00.00 Sunday 6. April 2014 +1030 ACDT

then it is 17.30.00 Friday 1. November 2013 +0800 AWST
in Australia - West, Perth (GMT+8)

then it is 3.30.00 Friday 1. November 2013 -0600 CST
in Mexico, Mexico City DF (GMT-6) ®
DST start : 2.00.00 Sunday 7. April 2013 -0600 CST
DST end : 2.00.00 Sunday 27. October 2013 -0500 CDT

In Mexico we will wake up to the post-mortem of the match game! The good news is we don't have to bite nails for 6 hours on who is winning and why ...

Kevin Bonham
27-10-2013, 01:10 AM
Poll added. Hope we do better than last time!

James Watson
30-10-2013, 06:10 PM
Figure it will be preety close but Carlson should have the edge. It was a toss between +1 or +2 for Carlson but I went with +1

Adamski
30-10-2013, 09:23 PM
Sadly this will not occur now. My planned work trip to Chennai in November has been put off.

Garvinator
31-10-2013, 12:04 AM
Sadly this will not occur now. My planned work trip to Chennai in November has been put off.
Bloody hell. I thought you were saying the match had been called off, phew :P

ER
01-11-2013, 07:31 PM
Sadly this will not occur now. My planned work trip to Chennai in November has been put off.

What about dropping in during a weekend or something to watch a couple of games and have a feel of WCC match atmosphere? If I manage a couple of days off in the second part of November, I might do that!

Adamski
02-11-2013, 08:52 AM
Bloody hell. I thought you were saying the match had been called off, phew :PLOL. That was meant to be a reply to an old post of mine but did not come out that way.
I have picked Magnus by 3 on recent form.

Adamski
02-11-2013, 08:57 AM
What about dropping in during a weekend or something to watch a couple of games and have a feel of WCC match atmosphere? If I manage a couple of days off in the second part of November, I might do that!Sounds like a plan. Hope it works out for you jak.

Agent Smith
05-11-2013, 05:41 AM
Saturday the match starts :)
http://chennai2013.fide.com/

Nigel Shorts write up
http://epaper.indianexpress.com/c/1866909

Agent Smith
05-11-2013, 07:51 PM
I think the games start at 3pm India time, which is 8-30pm in NSW/VIC and 7-30pm in Queensland ?

Dates Events TIME
07.11.2013 Opening Ceremony 04.00.P.M. Tentatively
09.11.2013 Game 1 03.00.P.M. (Indian Time)
10.11..2013 Game 2 03.00.P.M. (Indian Time)
11.11.2013 Rest Day
12.11.2013 Game 3 03.00.P.M. (Indian Time)
13.11.2013 Game 4 03.00.P.M. (Indian Time)
14.11.2013 Rest Day
15.11.2013 Game 5 03.00.P.M. (Indian Time)
16.11.2013 Game 6 03.00.P.M. (Indian Time)
17.11.2013 Rest Day
18.11.2013 Game 7 03.00.P.M. (Indian Time)
19.11.2013 Game 8 03.00.P.M. (Indian Time)
20.11.2013 Rest Day
21.11.2013 Game 9 03.00.P.M. (Indian Time)
22.11.2013 Game 10 03.00.P.M. (Indian Time)
23.11.2013 Rest Day
24.11.2013 Game 11 03.00.P.M. (Indian Time)
25.11.2013 Rest Day
26.11.2013 Game 12 03.00.P.M. (Indian Time)
27.11.2013 Rest Day

Adamski
05-11-2013, 09:30 PM
That is an Australian worker friendly schedule!

Capablanca-Fan
06-11-2013, 12:58 AM
Nigel Shorts write up
http://epaper.indianexpress.com/c/1866909

Nigel Short, formerly a world championship challenger himself, assesses the coming match very pessimistically for Anand, unfortunately with ample justification.

flushfyre
06-11-2013, 08:27 PM
There's a reference to Anand-Carlsen in today's xkcd comic: http://xkcd.com/1287/

Kevin Bonham
06-11-2013, 09:40 PM
For those not familiar with how xkcd works, drag your cursor to the area of the comic and let go.

Kevin Bonham
08-11-2013, 02:10 PM
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siow, weng nian
09-11-2013, 11:17 AM
Dear ChessChatters,

GM Ian Rogers has written a preview of the Anand-Carlsen World Championship Match on crikey.com (http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/11/08/indian-hero-v-nordic-model-chess-new-world-oz-is-just-a-pawn/ (http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/11/08/indian-hero-v-nordic-model-chess-new-world-oz-is-just-a-pawn/)). Ian is keen to continue to write on a game by game basis for Crikey.com. But it seems there is a new editor at Crikey.com and unless there is a food response to the preview article (and comments posted to the article), Crikey.com will not commission any further articles from Ian.

So, if you wish to have an Australian GM perspective on the Anand-Carlsen Match, game by game, please register at Crikey.com and post a comment or two. (Registration is free for 10-day trial).

Gattaca
09-11-2013, 12:05 PM
Poll closed rather early! I'll go for Carlsen 7-5.

Mind you, matches are different from tournaments and Anand is very experienced. Of course we could be about to find out that Carlsen is an unbelievable match player!

Kevin Bonham
09-11-2013, 12:29 PM
Yes the poll was auto-set to close at 2 am. I'll reopen it manually for late votes but it will be closed again (if I remember) once the game is underway.

Kevin Bonham
09-11-2013, 01:35 PM
Carlsen has drawn white for game 1.

Watto
09-11-2013, 04:10 PM
So, if you wish to have an Australian GM perspective on the Anand-Carlsen Match, game by game, please register at Crikey.com and post a comment or two. (Registration is free for 10-day trial).
Done- very easy registration process ... !

Desmond
09-11-2013, 07:09 PM
Nigel Short, formerly a world championship challenger himself, assesses the coming match very pessimistically for Anand, unfortunately with ample justification.
Looks like the chess chat brains trust has come to the same conclusion on average. :)

Kevin Bonham
09-11-2013, 07:23 PM
3.5.1
The time control for each game shall be: 120 minutes for the first 40 moves, 60 minutes
for the next 20 moves and then 15 minutes for the rest of the game with an increment of 30
seconds per move starting after move 61 has been made.

Desmond
09-11-2013, 08:13 PM
It's started:

http://chennai2013.fide.com/fide-world-chess-championship-2013-live/

Kevin Bonham
09-11-2013, 09:03 PM
Zzzzzzzzz. Actually it was just getting interesting and then an immediate repetition.

1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 4.d4 c6 5.0-0 Nf6 6.b3 0-0 7.Bb2 Bf5 8.c4 Nbd7 9.Nc3 dxc4 10.bxc4 Nb6 11.c5 Nc4 12.Bc1 Nd5 13.Qb3 Na5 14.Qa3 Nc4 15.Qb3 Na5 16.Qa3 Nc4 ˝-˝

Garvinator
09-11-2013, 09:03 PM
Game 1 drawn. I got to see one half move. Loaded up the game with video commentary at 9pm, just to see Anand play Nc4 and players shaking hands for a draw.

Capablanca-Fan
10-11-2013, 01:36 AM
Looks like the chess chat brains trust has come to the same conclusion on average. :)
So it seems. Ray Keene also predicted a two-point win to Carlsen, and Ian Rogers says, “Carlsen is hot favourite to take Anand’s title”. This won't change even though Anand got off to an easy start with a quick draw with Black. There have been top matches where the eventual loser even won the first game with Black, such as Botvinnik–Petrosian 1963, Petrosian–Spassky 1969, Spassky–Karpov 1969, Korchnoi–Kasparov 1983.

antichrist
10-11-2013, 10:23 AM
3.5.1
The time control for each game shall be: 120 minutes for the first 40 moves, 60 minutes
for the next 20 moves and then 15 minutes for the rest of the game with an increment of 30
seconds per move starting after move 61 has been made.

that is interesting as the increment wont kick in on most games at all, and when does only on a very limited basis on moves after 61. At least they have to prove of being able to survive at traditional timing before obtaining advantage of increment which would then enable a full finish of play. An excellent sensible compromise in my view

antichrist
10-11-2013, 12:55 PM
Zzzzzzzzz. Actually it was just getting interesting and then an immediate repetition.

1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 4.d4 c6 5.0-0 Nf6 6.b3 0-0 7.Bb2 Bf5 8.c4 Nbd7 9.Nc3 dxc4 10.bxc4 Nb6 11.c5 Nc4 12.Bc1 Nd5 13.Qb3 Na5 14.Qa3 Nc4 15.Qb3 Na5 16.Qa3 Nc4 ˝-˝

Are moves 7. Bb2 and 11.c5 weakish As well as 13. Qb3

Garvinator
10-11-2013, 01:32 PM
So it seems. Ray Keene also predicted a two-point win to Carlsen, and Ian Rogers says, “Carlsen is hot favourite to take Anand’s title”. This won't change even though Anand got off to an easy start with a quick draw with Black. There have been top matches where the eventual loser even won the first game with Black, such as Botvinnik–Petrosian 1963, Petrosian–Spassky 1969, Spassky–Karpov 1969, Korchnoi–Kasparov 1983.
Not sure how significant, but all those matches were either 24 games or first to six wins, so significantly longer than the 12 games for this match. And in 72 Spassky was 2-0 ahead of Fischer.

Adamski
10-11-2013, 02:48 PM
Boring start. It can only get better (we hope).

Kevin Bonham
10-11-2013, 03:07 PM
Are moves 7. Bb2 and 11.c5 weakish As well as 13. Qb3

The whole setup is just not ambitious. It seemed like white was trying to avoid black's preparation and get into a long and roughly equal game where he might get a small edge somewhere and outplay him, but the repetition came up too quickly

antichrist
10-11-2013, 03:47 PM
The whole setup is just not ambitious. It seemed like white was trying to avoid black's preparation and get into a long and roughly equal game where he might get a small edge somewhere and outplay him, but the repetition came up too quickly

Having never gone through a Magnus game before I was expecting Fischer brilliance, but Magnus lose control of important centre squares and gets queen out too early, not seeing that it hands black an easy target - my rating for white about 1350 game. A disappointment he must later regret

Kevin Bonham
10-11-2013, 03:56 PM
Having never gone through a Magnus game before I was expecting Fischer brilliance, but Magnus lose control of important centre squares and gets queen out too early, not seeing that it hands black an easy target - my rating for white about 1350 game. A disappointment he must later regret

Since when is move 13 too early to get the queen out? Do you think there is a better move than 13.Qb3 and if so what? The problem is his position is just already not very good. Probably black is slightly better. A draw is not a bad thing in such a position even if it is boring for the fans and a bit embarrassing given how short it was.

Likewise with 11.c5. The pawn is under attack. What else are you going to do about it?

Trahald
10-11-2013, 05:51 PM
Hoping for Carlsen to take an early one point lead in this match, thereby forcing Anand to fight. Otherwise I fear games like the first could become the norm. Easy to imagine Anand wheeling out the Petroff against 1.e4 and probably the Slav against 1.d4. Wouldn't surprise me if Carlsen's best chances come with the black pieces.

Garvinator
10-11-2013, 07:17 PM
Hoping for Carlsen to take an early one point lead in this match, thereby forcing Anand to fight. Otherwise I fear games like the first could become the norm. Easy to imagine Anand wheeling out the Petroff against 1.e4 and probably the Slav against 1.d4. Wouldn't surprise me if Carlsen's best chances come with the black pieces.
Anand winning an early game would produce the same result.

James Watson
10-11-2013, 07:38 PM
First game was really not one of Magnus' best. I agree with Kevin that he was probably trying too hard to avoid opening preparation and found himself in an unpleasant position that offered white little in the way of an opening advantage. Interestingly he seems very nervous prior to the game commencing which given the stakes is quite understandable but certainly not typical of Magnus. His response the question about the game being held in Vishy's hometown gives me the impression that he is very unhappy about it and might have a small impact over his emotional state for the match. I'm starting to that Vishys extra experience really will have a meaningful impact. I still think Magnus should win, i just suspect that it is going to be far from one sided and that i wouldn't be shocked actually see Fishy come through with a win.


Really it seems like Magnus' main weakness is his openings and if he ever puts serious work and effort into that then he would be a forced to be reckoned with, and he is already a force to be reckoned with anyway.

Garvinator
10-11-2013, 07:44 PM
Getting a lot of can not connect to server messages. Really is messing up with the coverage and video analysis commentary from Susan Polgar.

Kevin Bonham
10-11-2013, 07:45 PM
Getting a lot of can not connect to server messages. Really is messing up with the coverage and video analysis commentary from Susan Polgar.

I had these intermittently last night but so far no problems at all tonight. I just clicked on the video link tonight, didn't bother with the video+analysis one.

antichrist
10-11-2013, 07:51 PM
First game was really not one of Magnus' best. I agree with Kevin that he was probably trying too hard to avoid opening preparation and found himself in an unpleasant position that offered white little in the way of an opening advantage...............



How can someone going into a world championship try to avoid opening preparation?? If a draw was not permitted until much later in the game what would be the likely scenario? White in an inferior position I think.

James Watson
10-11-2013, 07:57 PM
How can someone going into a world championship try to avoid opening preparation?? If a draw was not permitted until much later in the game what would be the likely scenario? White in an inferior position I think.

I was referring to Magnus avoiding Vishy's opening preparation, not avoiding doing any preparation at all.

Kevin Bonham
10-11-2013, 08:39 PM
Zzzzzzz again. Was looking like a game til that insipid queen swap.

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Bf5 5.Ng3 Bg6 6.h4 h6 7.Nf3 e6 8.Ne5 Bh7 9.Bd3 Bxd3 10.Qxd3 Nd7 11.f4 Bb4+ 12.c3 Be7 13.Bd2 Ngf6 14.0-0-0 0-0 15.Ne4 Nxe4 16.Qxe4 Nxe5 17.fxe5 Qd5 18.Qxd5 cxd5 19.h5 b5 20.Rh3 a5 21.Rf1 Rac8 22.Rg3 Kh7 23.Rgf3 Kg8 24.Rg3 Kh7 25.Rgf3 Kg8 ˝-˝

pappubahry
10-11-2013, 08:53 PM
Getting a lot of can not connect to server messages. Really is messing up with the coverage and video analysis commentary from Susan Polgar.

The main video feed is mirrored on the AICF's YouTube channel (live and replays), and YouTube seems to cope with the demand better than the official website. http://www.youtube.com/user/aicfofficial

Kevin Bonham
10-11-2013, 09:07 PM
Both players have suggested they are still finding their way, easing into the match etc. But if at least two games have to be wasted doing that then all the more reason for a longer match.

Garvinator
10-11-2013, 11:52 PM
Both players have suggested they are still finding their way, easing into the match etc. But if at least two games have to be wasted doing that then all the more reason for a longer match.
It is called making excuses. I know I sound like a broken record. The worst part about these short matches is that they only test each players depth, not breadth of preparation. And this assumes that they attempt to actually play properly each game.

I am still waiting to see the day when an organiser or sponsor (you know, the ones who stump up the cash) gives the players or organisers a serve for not attempting to show their skills in all games. Therefore in turn not delivering value for money for the sponsor, who has paid good dollars to see the players show their world class skills.

Garvinator
10-11-2013, 11:54 PM
The main video feed is mirrored on the AICF's YouTube channel (live and replays), and YouTube seems to cope with the demand better than the official website. http://www.youtube.com/user/aicfofficial
Thank you. Will try that on Tuesday.

Capablanca-Fan
11-11-2013, 02:36 AM
I agree with Garvinator that the recent world championship matches are far too short. With all the sponsorship money around these days, there should be no reason why we can't have the classic 24-game matches.

Adamski
11-11-2013, 05:49 AM
Ho hum again. We are overdue for some excitement.

antichrist
11-11-2013, 07:51 AM
for game 1, for white any rating bids higher than 1600?

Kevin Bonham
11-11-2013, 09:25 AM
for game 1, for white any rating bids higher than 1600?

The auction doesn't open until you answer #60.

antichrist
11-11-2013, 10:19 AM
post 60

Since when is move 13 too early to get the queen out? Do you think there is a better move than 13.Qb3 and if so what? The problem is his position is just already not very good. Probably black is slightly better. A draw is not a bad thing in such a position even if it is boring for the fans and a bit embarrassing given how short it was.

Likewise with 11.c5. The pawn is under attack. What else are you going to do about it?

Move 7 could have been white B-g5, at least making it active and attacking something - not being blocked by it's own pawn. And queen move at 13, any move number for queen is too early if not a good move, especially you don't place it diagonally near knight where it can be immediately attacked by knight with impunity. Remember the saying - get your queen out early and lose it early. Move 11 C5 pawn under attack - what does one expect when rook not on c1 and white-square bishop has fianchettoed.

If Magnus was one of my students %!!!*&%

Now for that rating assessment?

Garrett
11-11-2013, 10:27 AM
for game 1, for white any rating bids higher than 1600?

How on earth would you know what a 1600 player plays like ?

Kevin Bonham
11-11-2013, 10:28 AM
Move 7 could have been white B-g5, at least making it active and attacking something - not being blocked by it's own pawn.

7. Bg5 is a stupid move. It attacks nothing worth attacking (since the threat is to take the knight thus losing the minor exchange for no reason), it makes the previous move a waste of time and it obviously loses tempo after ...Ne4.

And note that while I asked you for alternatives on moves 11 and 13 you provided none. The only move you provided an alternative for was move 7, where I didn't ask for one, but you provided a stupid one anyway.

So is there any move at all by Carlsen where you can provide an alternative that is actually better?

Here's the rating assessment: for your comments: 923. :P

pax
11-11-2013, 11:21 AM
If Magnus was one of my students %!!!*&%

If Magnus was one of your students: "Holy ***t, he just drew with Anand!"

Jesper Norgaard
11-11-2013, 03:24 PM
Zzzzzzzzz. Actually it was just getting interesting and then an immediate repetition.

1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 4.d4 c6 5.0-0 Nf6 6.b3 0-0 7.Bb2 Bf5 8.c4 Nbd7 9.Nc3 dxc4 10.bxc4 Nb6 11.c5 Nc4 12.Bc1 Nd5 13.Qb3 Na5 14.Qa3 Nc4 15.Qb3 Na5 16.Qa3 Nc4 ˝-˝

I disagree with many of the comments about the first game here, saying Magnus was playing at a low level etc. On the contrary, I think he played an innocuous opening designed to avoid Vishy's preparation, and perhaps get a small long-term advantage, and fell in a deeply prepared variation with 9.Nc3?! dxc4! with slight black advantage. He was simply struggling from then on and getting the position repetition was a relief, when Anand had several promising ways to play on.

Important facts:
(1) The position had been played dozens of times before, and none had come up with 9...dxc4! even in several grandmaster games. Magnus or his helpers thus had no way to know that there was a hidden bomb in this position.
(2) The prudent response would be 9.Nbd2 which is also more popular than 9.Nc3, and this avoids the calamity that happened to Magnus. Whoever prepared 9...dxc4! I take my hat off. This may even have been pre-match preparation by Anand against no opponent in particular, or a pre-match preparation by his team against Magnus.
(3) Houdini invariably prefers 9...dxc4! followed by 10...Nb6 as the strongest reply, and claims a slight black advantage.
(4) If white plays the more "natural" protection of his pawn with 11.Qb3 instead then after 11...Be6 he will immediately have an untenable defence of the c4 pawn. Houdini suggests either 12.d5 cxd5 13.cxd5 Nfxd5 14.Ng5 Nf4 15.Nxe6 Nxe6 and white can enjoy some pressure in the central lines, for a pawn sacrificed. Houdini prefers black, but slightly. Or 12.Nd2 Qxd4 13.Nce4 which also does not get such a bad score for white, although Houdini prefers black. All continuations that do not look natural to a human player, and explain the "weakish" 11.c5 that may be whites best option, at least the practical one that avoids putting the hand into a wasp nest.
(5) Maybe Magnus half expected/hoped for the weaker 11...Nbd5 but of course Anand followed the Houdini recommendation 11...Nc4.
(6) After Nc4 Houdini actually is not disfavorable to 12.Qb3 and does not automatically meet it with 12...Nxb2 which seems to me was the reason of Magnus to prefer 12.Bc1 to 12.Qb3.
(7) After 12.Bc1 Anand has a choice for fighting with 12...e5 which brings up interesting complications for instance 13.Nxe5 Nxe5 14.dxe5 Qxd1!? 15.Rxd1 Nd7 16.f4 f6 17.e4 Bg4 and because of the attack on the rook there seems to be no satisfactory way to continue for white here. Instead 16...Nxc5 17.Ba3 with a pin towards the f8 rook, would be weak for black after e.g. 17...b6 and white has several ways to continue.
(8) Anand instead simply follows the Houdini preferred move 12...Nd5!? which once again shows this is preparation.
(9) Only after 13.Qb3 Na5 14.Qa3 he thought some time and could have chosen to fight with 14...b6 which would still lead to some unpleasant moments for Magnus. However, he chose the repetition which by now could not be avoided by Magnus anymore. Anand was the one to "chicken out" from here, not Magnus who had no choice.

In retrospect, Magnus defended pretty well and escaped from an unpleasant situation all because of the dubious 9.Nc3 which however had not been demonstrated over the board before in human games, but Houdini shows the move is flawed. Even though there was few moves, it was an immediate crisis on board, that Magnus escaped with a draw by repetition, where Anand in fact was the one that should have played on. Also the time used by both players shows us that there was in fact more fight going on in the 16 moves draw of game 1 than the 25 moves draw of game 2.

Jesper Norgaard
11-11-2013, 03:53 PM
Here's the rating assessment: for your comments: 923. :P

I hope I will get better rating assessment for my comments than that - the above was of course snatched out of context to another poster. :P

Since irony/jokes are always misunderstand on forums, I will emphasize again, this comment is just a joke. :doh:

Rincewind
11-11-2013, 04:00 PM
Here's the rating assessment: for your comments: 923. :P

That is deeply offensive to 923-rated players everywhere. :lol:

Kevin Bonham
11-11-2013, 04:34 PM
Important facts:
(1) The position had been played dozens of times before, and none had come up with 9...dxc4! even in several grandmaster games.

Yes I noticed during the game it had not been seen above about 2300 level. Still, doesn't seem like great preparation by Carlsen to get sprung by something engines pick up immediately as early as move nine, just because no-one at a high level had played it before. Does speak rather highly of Anand's though; either he outprepared Carlsen's attempt to avoid his preparation, or else he outplayed Carlsen's attempt to outplay him. Probably the former.

Kevin Bonham
11-11-2013, 04:35 PM
That is deeply offensive to 923-rated players everywhere. :lol:

Maybe it's an "online rating" then. :lol:

Sir Cromulent Sparkles
11-11-2013, 06:11 PM
If Magnus was one of my students %!!!*&%



I hope you dont charge money for your "tutelage".

Desmond
11-11-2013, 08:21 PM
http://cdn.meme.li/i/pj5fz.jpg

Agent Smith
12-11-2013, 04:51 AM
:)

The first two games were kindof interesting though.

It's obviously in Anands interest to reduce the contest. Opening prep may yet prove the deciding factor ?

Agent Smith
12-11-2013, 04:59 AM
In retrospect, Magnus defended pretty well and escaped from an unpleasant situation all because of the dubious 9.Nc3 which however had not been demonstrated over the board before in human games, but Houdini shows the move is flawed. Even though there was few moves, it was an immediate crisis on board, that Magnus escaped with a draw by repetition, where Anand in fact was the one that should have played on.
Yes. The position switched quickly to something ugly for Magnus, and a draw was good for him. Anand should have played on.

Important for Carslen to keep his cool and not get flustered by the attention.

2412

ER
12-11-2013, 06:37 AM
what are those copsicles doing there?

Kevin Bonham
12-11-2013, 09:59 AM
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antichrist
12-11-2013, 10:20 AM
Zzzzzzz again. Was looking like a game til that insipid queen swap.

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Bf5 5.Ng3 Bg6 6.h4 h6 7.Nf3 e6 8.Ne5 Bh7 9.Bd3 Bxd3 10.Qxd3 Nd7 11.f4 Bb4+ 12.c3 Be7 13.Bd2 Ngf6 14.0-0-0 0-0 15.Ne4 Nxe4 16.Qxe4 Nxe5 17.fxe5 Qd5 18.Qxd5 cxd5 19.h5 b5 20.Rh3 a5 21.Rf1 Rac8 22.Rg3 Kh7 23.Rgf3 Kg8 24.Rg3 Kh7 25.Rgf3 Kg8 ˝-˝

does white move 19. h5 feed the draw? surely white should be aiming for a swap of king side pawns to open up opposing king to his rooks

Kevin Bonham
12-11-2013, 10:29 AM
does white move h5 feed the draw? surely white should be aiming for a swap of king side pawns to open up opposing king to his rooks

I don't think white can open up the kingside any faster than black can open up the queenside. Also even if he does, it doesn't seem to do much.

antichrist
12-11-2013, 10:36 AM
I don't think white can open up the kingside any faster than black can open up the queenside. Also even if he does, it doesn't seem to do much.

again as in game one, I think Anand took the draw too early, with potential for his rook on g3 and having the momentum of move

flushfyre
12-11-2013, 11:51 AM
A few commentators have said that the short draws are logical because it's in neither player's interest to go for risks so early in the match. Can someone explain to me how both players could possibly be happy with short draws in a zero-sum game?

As a sidenote, statistically speaking, longer matches favour the stronger player, so from a probabilistic viewpoint the short draws favour Anand.

Capablanca-Fan
12-11-2013, 12:28 PM
IM Alex Wohl predicts an Anand victory (http://doubleroo.blogspot.com.au/2013/11/the-champions-advocate.html):

So what is Vishy's game plan? I think it is to have Magnus step on one of his opening "land mines" like Kramnik did. He has them scattered around in many openings and it's just a matter of time until Magnus finds one. Until then he will annoy him with short draws. The further Magnus goes in trying to find an opening where he can just play, the more likely he is to step on one.

I predict that Anand will win this match. If Vishy wins one early Magnus will take more risks and then it will be a wipeout. Carlsen will learn from this match how important openings are in matches. If he qualifies a second time then he will win the title. But not this time. His opponent may not be as strong a chess-player but he is an incredible match-player and psychologist. Go Vishy :-)

antichrist
12-11-2013, 01:26 PM
I have not found what occurs if all draws for example, does go on forever, supposed to be ten matches

Kevin Bonham
12-11-2013, 01:36 PM
I have not found what occurs if all draws for example, does go on forever, supposed to be ten matches

You are not looking very hard then. Probably everyone else knows there is a rapid and if necessary blitz playoff match. And it's twelve games, not ten.

http://cdn.fide.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/regulations_match_2013.pdf

Vlad
12-11-2013, 01:44 PM
IM Alex Wohl predicts an Anand victory (http://doubleroo.blogspot.com.au/2013/11/the-champions-advocate.html):


Magnus, it is time to strike, some people think you are a bunny...:)

Rincewind
12-11-2013, 02:29 PM
A few commentators have said that the short draws are logical because it's in neither player's interest to go for risks so early in the match. Can someone explain to me how both players could possibly be happy with short draws in a zero-sum game?

It's normal to assume chess is a zero sum game with perfect information. However there is a psychological contest too and in that competition does not have perfect information and may not be zero sum (e.g. both players might obtain a confidence boost from getting some score on the board). Anyway, I'm sure things will warm up soon.

antichrist
12-11-2013, 02:55 PM
You are not looking very hard then. Probably everyone else knows there is a rapid and if necessary blitz playoff match. And it's twelve games, not ten.

http://cdn.fide.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/regulations_match_2013.pdf

3.7.1.b All tie-break games shall be played according to the following:

1. Play is governed by the World Championship Technical Regulations (annex 1), which
apply with the exceptions mentioned below in (2), (3) and (4).
2. The players do not need to record the moves. An arbiter shall record the moves.
3. The player who has the move may stop the clocks and consult the Arbiter’s score sheet and
if his next move will produce a threefold repetition of position (according to Article 9.2a of
the Technical Regulations), or the 50 moves rule (according to Article 9.3a of the Technical
Regulations), he himself must write the intended move on the score sheet and claim the draw
if he wants. A player can also claim a draw according to Articles 9.2b and 9.3b of the
Technical Regulations. If the claim is found to be correct, the game is immediately ended as a
draw. If the claim is found to be incorrect, the Arbiter shall add three (3) minutes to the
opponent’s remaining time and the game continues with the intended move in accordance
with Article 4 of the Technical Regulations. A maximum of two (2) incorrect claims for a
draw can be made by each player. If a player makes a third (3rd ) incorrect claim, the arbiter
shall declare the game lost for this player.
4. If a game has ended by resignation, checkmate, time loss, stalemate, triple repetition or any
other of the ways described in Article 5 of the Technical Regulations, no claim for
irregularities shall be accepted (irregularities include clock settings and all other described in
Article 7 of the Technical Regulations)
--------------------------------------------

AC
but of course the player has the option of recording the moves to prevent an incorrect claim of a draw by repetition or any illegal move, for example not castling according to rules

Kevin Bonham
12-11-2013, 04:14 PM
AC
but of course the player has the option of recording the moves to prevent an incorrect claim of a draw by repetition or any illegal move, for example not castling according to rules

This is nonsense. The arbiters' recording of the moves is sufficient to address both these issues.

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Agent Smith
12-11-2013, 04:48 PM
... Anyway, I'm sure things will warm up soon.
I just found the 1995 World Champs

New York, 1995.09.11 - 1995.10.10
Score 123456789012345678
-----------------------------------------------
1: Kasparov G 10.5 / 18 ========011=11==== (+4 -1 =13)
2: Anand V 7.5 / 18 ========100=00==== (+1 -4 =13)
-----------------------------------------------
18 games: +3 =13 -2

8 draws, a great win to Anand followed by 4/5 wins to Kasparov.
Here's his first, which http://www.mark-weeks.com reports

Kasparov won game 10. He used six minutes for his first 21 moves and said afterwards that everything had been prepared.

[Event "wcc (PCA)"]
[Site "New York"]
[Date "1995.09.26"]
[Round "10"]
[White "Kasparov G"]
[Black "Anand V"]
[Result "1-0"]

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Nxe4 6.d4 b5 7.Bb3 d5 8.dxe5
Be6 9.Nbd2 Nc5 10.c3 d4 11.Ng5 dxc3 12.Nxe6 fxe6 13.bxc3 Qd3 14.Bc2 Qxc3
15.Nb3 Nxb3 16.Bxb3 Nd4 17.Qg4 Qxa1 18.Bxe6 Rd8 19.Bh6 Qc3 20.Bxg7 Qd3 21.
Bxh8 Qg6 22.Bf6 Be7 23.Bxe7 Qxg4 24.Bxg4 Kxe7 25.Rc1 c6 26.f4 a5 27.Kf2 a4
28.Ke3 b4 29.Bd1 a3 30.g4 Rd5 31.Rc4 c5 32.Ke4 Rd8 33.Rxc5 Ne6 34.Rd5 Rc8
35.f5 Rc4+ 36.Ke3 Nc5 37.g5 Rc1 38.Rd6 1-0

ER
12-11-2013, 05:47 PM
how can we see who tipped whom in this poll? or is it secret ballot?

Max Illingworth
12-11-2013, 06:05 PM
Click a number indicating the number of votes for an option in the poll and you'll be able to see who voted for each option.

ER
12-11-2013, 06:29 PM
thanks Max! :)

Ian Rout
12-11-2013, 09:03 PM
A few commentators have said that the short draws are logical because it's in neither player's interest to go for risks so early in the match. Can someone explain to me how both players could possibly be happy with short draws in a zero-sum game?

I think it's not that both players are happy with short draws but that if you go one down in a short match the opponent only needs a few draws, and you certainly have no margin to lose another game. So it's not attractive taking even small risks. At the very least you want to size up your opponent's approach and preparation before going for the death or glory stuff.

A psychological point may be that if you don't lose a game you at least stay alive into the rapid tie-breaks. A bit like soccer teams being preapred to go into penalty shoot-outs rather than run risks in normal time.

Garvinator
12-11-2013, 11:38 PM
My apologies. As soon as I log in to see the games, they agree a draw. Ok it was bishop v bishop, but still.

James Watson
12-11-2013, 11:39 PM
My apologies. As soon as I log in to see the games, they agree a draw. Ok it was bishop v bishop, but still.


The game was very intense though.

Kevin Bonham
12-11-2013, 11:41 PM
1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 g6 3.c4 dxc4 4.Qa4+ Nc6 5.Bg2 Bg7 6.Nc3 e5 7.Qxc4 Nge7 8.0-0 0-0 9.d3 h6 10.Bd2 Nd4 11.Nxd4 exd4 12.Ne4 c6 13.Bb4 Be6 14.Qc1 Bd5 15.a4 b6 16.Bxe7 Qxe7 17.a5 Rab8 18.Re1 Rfc8 19.axb6 axb6 20.Qf4 Rd8 21.h4 Kh7 22.Nd2 Be5 23.Qg4 h5 24.Qh3 Be6 25.Qh1 c5 26.Ne4 Kg7 27.Ng5 b5 28.e3 dxe3 29.Rxe3 Bd4 30.Re2 c4 31.Nxe6+ fxe6 32.Be4 cxd3 33.Rd2 Qb4 34.Rad1 Bxb2 35.Qf3 Bf6 36.Rxd3 Rxd3 37.Rxd3 Rd8 38.Rxd8 Bxd8 39.Bd3 Qd4 40.Bxb5 Qf6 41.Qb7+ Be7 42.Kg2 g5 43.hxg5 Qxg5 44.Bc4 h4 45.Qc7 hxg3 46.Qxg3 e5 47.Kf3 Qxg3+ 48.fxg3 Bc5 49.Ke4 Bd4 50.Kf5 Bf2 51.Kxe5 Bxg3+ 1/2-1/2

Desmond
12-11-2013, 11:43 PM
The game was very intense though.

and went for four and a half hours...

Kevin Bonham
12-11-2013, 11:55 PM
Anand in the press conference thinks white has full compensation if he grabs the pawn on b2 on ...29. It's not at all clear this is the case - the pawn isn't just free but it seems white has to be pretty accurate to keep things that way.

James Watson
13-11-2013, 12:00 AM
Anand in the press conference thinks white has full compensation if he grabs the pawn on b2 on ...29. It's not at all clear this is the case - the pawn isn't just free but it seems white has to be pretty accurate to keep things that way.


I haven't done any analysis, but during the game I thought that white would get full compensation for the pawn.

Paul Cavezza
13-11-2013, 10:55 AM
A fun game to watch at least. It was odd form Anand, at times he wanted to keep the initiative (probably when it didn't make sense) and when it did make sense with Rf8 he grabbed a pawn instead. Susan Polgar's commentary on the order Carlsen played Qc1 and Bb4 was good- I don't know if that was just bad play or if he was trying to provoke Anand... time will tell!

Kevin Bonham
13-11-2013, 08:08 PM
This is the stem game for tonight's game:

Jakovenko - Almasi 2007 World Cup

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0-0 Nxe4 5.d4 Nd6 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.dxe5 Nf5 8.Qxd8+ Kxd8 9.Nc3 Bd7 10.h3 Be7 11.Rd1 Kc8 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bxe7 Nxe7 14.Rd2 c5 15.Ne4 b6 16.Ng3 Bc6 17.Nh2 Ng6 18.Re1 Nf4 19.f3 Kb7 20.Kf2 Rad8 21.Rxd8 Rxd8 22.Nhf1 g6 23.Ne2 Ne6 24.Ne3 Bb5 25.Nc3 Rd2+ 26.Kg3 Bc6 27.Rd1 Rd4 28.Kf2 Kc8 29.Ne2 Rxd1 30.Nxd1 Nd4 31.c3 Kd7 32.Ne3 Nxe2 33.Kxe2 Ke6 34.f4 g5 35.g3 Be4 36.Ng4 gxf4 37.gxf4 h5 38.Nf6 Bg6 39.Kf3 c6 40.Ne8 f5 41.Nd6 h4 42.a4 Bh5+ 43.Ke3 Bd1 44.a5 bxa5 45.c4 Bb3 46.Kd3 Bd1 47.Ke3 Bb3 48.Kd3 Bd1 49.Nb7 Bf3 50.Nxc5+ Ke7 51.Nb3 Bg2 52.Nd4 Bxh3 53.Nxc6+ Kd7 54.Nd4 Bf1+ 55.Ke3 h3 56.Nf3 Bxc4 57.Kf2 Bd5 58.Kg3 h2 59.Nxh2 Kc6 60.Nf1 Kc5 61.Kf2 Kd4 62.Ng3 Be6 63.Nh5 Kd3 64.Ng7 Bc8 65.e6 Kc2 66.e7 Bd7 67.Nxf5 Kxb2 68.Nd6 a4 69.f5 a3 70.f6 a2 71.f7 a1=Q 72.f8=Q Qa2 73.Qf6+ Kc1+ 74.Kg3 Qb3+ 75.Kf4 Qb4+ 76.Ne4 Qb8+ 77.Kg5 Qb5+ 78.Kh4 Qb4 79.Qf4+ Kb2 80.Qe5+ Kb1 81.Kg5 a5 82.Nc3+ Kc2 83.Nd5 Qb5 84.Kh6 a4 85.Qe4+ Kb2 86.Qd4+ Kc2 87.Ne3+ Kb3 88.Qd1+ Kc3 89.Nd5+ Kc4 90.Ne3+ Kc3 91.Qc2+ Kd4 92.Qd2+ Ke4 93.Nc4 Qd5. 94.Qe3+ Kf5 95.Qg5+ Ke4 96.Qe3+ Kf5 97.Qg5+ Ke4 98.Qg6+ Kd4 99.Nb6 Qh1+ 100.Kg7 Bc6 101.Qd6+ Ke3 102.Nd5+ 1-0

93...Qd5 was a mistake, ...Qb8 draws.

Garvinator
13-11-2013, 09:58 PM
In the first couple of games, both the fide site and the youtube site were showing the playing board, the analysis board and commentary (no engine analysis). This meant that whilst the commentators would move the pieces around on their analysis board, there was a second board showing that had the current live game board showing at all times.

The game position board that was showing in the same board format as the analysis board has seemingly disappeared. Does anyone know where it has gone? Do any of the sites still have it? Because I find not have the game position showing very annoying whilst the commentators move pieces all over the board and a detriment to the coverage.

Garvinator
14-11-2013, 12:07 AM
All sites seems to have died, except for playchess with move relay.

Kevin Bonham
14-11-2013, 12:16 AM
All sites seems to have died, except for playchess with move relay.

I'm still getting live commentary from the official site.

Garvinator
14-11-2013, 12:58 AM
I'm still getting live commentary from the official site.

It came back up and running after a few minutes on youtube via a second link as well.

Kevin Bonham
14-11-2013, 01:25 AM
Excellent game. Another draw after all kinds of complications.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0-0 Nxe4 5.d4 Nd6 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.dxe5 Nf5 8.Qxd8+ Kxd8 9.h3 Bd7 10.Rd1 Be7 11.Nc3 Kc8 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bxe7 Nxe7 14.Rd2 c5 15.Rad1 Be6 16.Ne1 Ng6 17.Nd3 b6 18.Ne2 Bxa2 19.b3 c4 20.Ndc1 cxb3 21.cxb3 Bb1 22.f4 Kb7 23.Nc3 Bf5 24.g4 Bc8 25.Nd3 h5 26.f5 Ne7 27.Nb5 hxg4 28.hxg4 Rh4 29.Nf2 Nc6 30.Rc2 a5 31.Rc4 g6 32.Rdc1 Bd7 33.e6 fxe6 34.fxe6 Be8 35.Ne4 Rxg4+ 36.Kf2 Rf4+ 37.Ke3 Rf8 38.Nd4 Nxd4 39.Rxc7+ Ka6 40.Kxd4 Rd8+ 41.Kc3 Rf3+ 42.Kb2 Re3 43.Rc8 Rdd3 44.Ra8+ Kb7 45.Rxe8 Rxe4 46.e7 Rg3 47.Rc3 Re2+ 48.Rc2 Ree3 49.Ka2 g5 50.Rd2 Re5 51.Rd7+ Kc6 52.Red8 Rge3 53.Rd6+ Kb7 54.R8d7+ Ka6 55.Rd5 Re2+ 56.Ka3 Re6 57.Rd8 g4 58.Rg5 Rxe7 59.Ra8+ Kb7 60.Rag8 a4 61.Rxg4 axb3 62.R8g7 Ka6 63.Rxe7 Rxe7 64.Kxb3 1/2-1/2

Garvinator
14-11-2013, 01:28 AM
Now this is the type of game where a draw is an excellent result. Those who bag out draws as an unacceptable result in chess do not know what they are talking about.

Capablanca-Fan
14-11-2013, 04:06 AM
Now this is the type of game where a draw is an excellent result. Those who bag out draws as an unacceptable result in chess do not know what they are talking about.
well put, sir!

Capablanca-Fan
14-11-2013, 06:37 AM
This is the stem game for tonight's game:

Jakovenko - Almasi 2007 World Cup

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0-0 Nxe4 5.d4 Nd6 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.dxe5 Nf5 8.Qxd8+ Kxd8 9.Nc3 Bd7 10.h3 Be7 11.Rd1 Kc8 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bxe7 Nxe7 14.Rd2 c5 15.Ne4 b6 16.Ng3 Bc6 17.Nh2 Ng6 18.Re1 Nf4 19.f3 Kb7 20.Kf2 Rad8 21.Rxd8 Rxd8 22.Nhf1 g6 23.Ne2 Ne6 24.Ne3 Bb5 25.Nc3 Rd2+ 26.Kg3 Bc6 27.Rd1 Rd4 28.Kf2 Kc8 29.Ne2 Rxd1 30.Nxd1 Nd4 31.c3 Kd7 32.Ne3 Nxe2 33.Kxe2 Ke6 34.f4 g5 35.g3 Be4 36.Ng4 gxf4 37.gxf4 h5 38.Nf6 Bg6 39.Kf3 c6 40.Ne8 f5 41.Nd6 h4 42.a4 Bh5+ 43.Ke3 Bd1 44.a5 bxa5 45.c4 Bb3 46.Kd3 Bd1 47.Ke3 Bb3 48.Kd3 Bd1 49.Nb7 Bf3 50.Nxc5+ Ke7 51.Nb3 Bg2 52.Nd4 Bxh3 53.Nxc6+ Kd7 54.Nd4 Bf1+ 55.Ke3 h3 56.Nf3 Bxc4 57.Kf2 Bd5 58.Kg3 h2 59.Nxh2 Kc6 60.Nf1 Kc5 61.Kf2 Kd4 62.Ng3 Be6 63.Nh5 Kd3 64.Ng7 Bc8 65.e6 Kc2 66.e7 Bd7 67.Nxf5 Kxb2 68.Nd6 a4 69.f5 a3 70.f6 a2 71.f7 a1=Q 72.f8=Q Qa2 73.Qf6+ Kc1+ 74.Kg3 Qb3+ 75.Kf4 Qb4+ 76.Ne4 Qb8+ 77.Kg5 Qb5+ 78.Kh4 Qb4 79.Qf4+ Kb2 80.Qe5+ Kb1 81.Kg5 a5 82.Nc3+ Kc2 83.Nd5 Qb5 84.Kh6 a4 85.Qe4+ Kb2 86.Qd4+ Kc2 87.Ne3+ Kb3 88.Qd1+ Kc3 89.Nd5+ Kc4 90.Ne3+ Kc3 91.Qc2+ Kd4 92.Qd2+ Ke4 93.Nc4 Qd5. 94.Qe3+ Kf5 95.Qg5+ Ke4 96.Qe3+ Kf5 97.Qg5+ Ke4 98.Qg6+ Kd4 99.Nb6 Qh1+ 100.Kg7 Bc6 101.Qd6+ Ke3 102.Nd5+ 1-0

93...Qd5 was a mistake, ...Qb8 draws.
Were White's 31st and 32nd moves transposed, because the game score has black leaving a N en prise and White missing it?

Ian Rout
14-11-2013, 08:02 AM
I'm just waiting for one of the types who likes to dribble about ratings to claim that Anand is clearly the better player as he has a much higher performance rating in the match.

Kevin Bonham
14-11-2013, 11:14 AM
Were White's 31st and 32nd moves transposed, because the game score has black leaving a N en prise and White missing it?

Looks like it. I copied and pasted that off an old Chessbase report. May have been a transmission error.

Kevin Bonham
14-11-2013, 12:17 PM
SMH report by Amanda Hoh with quotes from ACF President Gary Wastell and IM Max Illingworth plus video:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/magnus-carlsen-the-male-model-captivating-the-chess-world-20131114-2xhy8.html

pax
14-11-2013, 01:52 PM
SMH report by Amanda Hoh with quotes from ACF President Gary Wastell and IM Max Illingworth plus video:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/magnus-carlsen-the-male-model-captivating-the-chess-world-20131114-2xhy8.html

Note that the article is currently the most popular article in the SPORTS section. An excellent piece of publicity for the game!

antichrist
14-11-2013, 02:09 PM
But it ain't in hard copy

flushfyre
14-11-2013, 02:20 PM
Good publicity, but I always have to hold back a grimace when a non chess player writes about chess strategy.

antichrist
14-11-2013, 02:31 PM
same goes for non playing chess parents about their childrens games

Ian Rout
14-11-2013, 02:48 PM
Good publicity, but I always have to hold back a grimace when a non chess player writes about chess strategy.
Or about anything else to do with chess for that matter. Colin Crunch? Would they, e.g., send somebody so manifestly uniformed about cricket to report the Ashes? Or the basketball reporter to cover Parliament.

It doesn't do any harm to chess, indeed it's all good publicity, but it does make you wonder how many other stories in the paper are done by whoever picked them off the top of the pile.

Rincewind
14-11-2013, 02:59 PM
Or about anything else to do with chess for that matter. Colin Crunch? Would they, e.g., send somebody so manifestly uniformed about cricket to report the Ashes? Or the basketball reporter to cover Parliament.

Reminds me of Michael Slater commentating the diving at the London Olympics. Or Ken Sutcliffe commentating anything.

antichrist
14-11-2013, 04:22 PM
No Queen Gambits or Sicilian Defences yet, whereas one world championship last century something like all but two games were queen pawn games if not 1. P-d4, 2. P-c4. And remember Kasparov's record with certain varieties of the Sicilian.

ER
14-11-2013, 04:41 PM
Good publicity, but I always have to hold back a grimace when a non chess player writes about chess strategy.

here is a gross inaccuracy (nothing to do with strategy though):

Amanda Hoh claims in "Magnus Carlsen: the male model captivating the chess world" article published on SMH (November 14, 2013 - 2:06PM)

While Illingworth has only competed in Australian tournaments he hopes to one day reach the status that Carlsen now enjoys.

That's a blatantly distorted false statement. IM Max Illinworth has competed successfully in a no. of international tournaments as well as having represented Australia in the most recent Olympiad at Istanbul!

antichrist
14-11-2013, 04:52 PM
here is a gross inaccuracy (nothing to do with strategy though):

Amanda Hoh claims in "Magnus Carlsen: the male model captivating the chess world" article published on SMH (November 14, 2013 - 2:06PM)

While Illingworth has only competed in Australian tournaments he hopes to one day reach the status that Carlsen now enjoys.

That's a false statement. Max Illinworth has competed successfully in a no. of international tournaments as well as having represented Australia in the most recent Olympiad at Istanbul!

that is what happens when they want things on the cheap or for free, whereas a paid contributor has the onus and duty to be fully accurate in their writings - or off goes their head

It would be a good idea if we all complain about the inaccuracies so they may see the light and employ a professional

Garvinator
14-11-2013, 05:23 PM
Hard to know if the rest day is required more for the players or the spectators after those two games. Certainly feel like I need a night off to come back tomorrow night fresh and recharged for game five. Now if they play two short draws $@$%&##

Kevin Bonham
14-11-2013, 07:42 PM
that is what happens when they want things on the cheap or for free, whereas a paid contributor has the onus and duty to be fully accurate in their writings - or off goes their head

It would be a good idea if we all complain about the inaccuracies so they may see the light and employ a professional

Firstly the journalist who wrote the story is a paid writer as far as I know. But inaccuracies of these kinds are inevitable. I work with media quite a bit and journalists are often writing very fast while trying to transcribe what someone is saying, and then a well-meaning subbie who misunderstands the piece might mess with it and change its meaning.

Complaining about these sorts of things is incredibly stupid and just another of your counterproductive suggestions. The likely effect is to discourage media from covering an issue at all. We should only complain about inaccuracies that are damaging.

Adamski
14-11-2013, 09:23 PM
I think this match is going to be a lot closer than most of us expected - and sadly, more boring.

Saragossa
14-11-2013, 09:33 PM
I think this match is going to be a lot closer than most of us expected - and sadly, more boring.

I found the last two games (and even the first thanks to some analysis by more advanced players) very exciting. Better than the gelfand snore fest which sucked so much it makes my face hurt and, as far as I can remember, about on par with Anand Kramnik. It is fun to complain, I love it, but I think the match is stepping it up.

Agent Smith
14-11-2013, 09:48 PM
Get to the fire-trucking monkey already. Come on Carlsen, kick his behind out of here :)

The Event is so big - the worlds best playing the long-standing world champion - i'm quite happy whatever happens i think.
If Anand can somehow hold on, it'll be quite a feat.

antichrist
15-11-2013, 03:15 AM
If Anand has prepared opening theory more than he almost deserves to win. But considering his lost a few times to Carlsen prior to this championship he must also play fully aware and at his top - not easy to guarantee. We will only get a good tourney if Anand rises to the top and if he does he deserves to win unless coming up against pure brilliance. That I don't think I have seen yet. So I am for Anand.

Garvinator
15-11-2013, 06:59 PM
30 minutes to go, 30 minutes to go. Hopefully we can get another cracker like the last two.

Kevin Bonham
16-11-2013, 01:05 AM
First decisive game of the match. 45...Rc1? was possibly the losing move; 45...Ra1 appears to be a draw.

1.c4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 c6 4.e4 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Bb4+ 6.Nc3 c5 7.a3 Ba5 8.Nf3 Nf6 9.Be3 Nc6 10.Qd3 cxd4 11.Nxd4 Ng4 12.0-0-0 Nxe3 13.fxe3 Bc7 14.Nxc6 bxc6 15.Qxd8+ Bxd8 16.Be2 Ke7 17.Bf3 Bd7 18.Ne4 Bb6 19.c5 f5 20.cxb6 fxe4 21.b7 Rab8 22.Bxe4 Rxb7 23.Rhf1 Rb5 24.Rf4 g5 25.Rf3 h5 26.Rdf1 Be8 27.Bc2 Rc5 28.Rf6 h4 29.e4 a5 30.Kd2 Rb5 31.b3 Bh5 32.Kc3 Rc5+ 33.Kb2 Rd8 34.R1f2 Rd4 35.Rh6 Bd1 36.Bb1 Rb5 37.Kc3 c5 38.Rb2 e5 39.Rg6 a4 40.Rxg5 Rxb3+ 41.Rxb3 Bxb3 42.Rxe5+ Kd6 43.Rh5 Rd1 44.e5+ Kd5 45.Bh7 Rc1+ 46.Kb2 Rg1 47.Bg8+ Kc6 48.Rh6+ Kd7 49.Bxb3 axb3 50.Kxb3 Rxg2 51.Rxh4 Ke6 52.a4 Kxe5 53.a5 Kd6 54.Rh7 Kd5 55.a6 c4+ 56.Kc3 Ra2 57.a7 Kc5 58.h4 1-0

antichrist
16-11-2013, 01:41 AM
KB from shoutbox:
First decisive game of the match. 45...Rc1? was possibly the losing move; 45...Ra1 appears to be a draw.

The idea behind ...Ra1 is to foil Bg8+ with the response ...Kc6, Bxb3 Rxa3! and although black will be a pawn down he will draw the rook ending very easily as the e-pawn will be very weak

AC
this 45...Ra1 move was predicted by KB at real time in game, and Carlsen won the opening with a transpositon of the d4, c4 opening that I had longed for

Agent Smith
16-11-2013, 07:16 AM
First decisive game of the match. 45...Rc1? was possibly the losing move; 45...Ra1 appears to be a draw.
Yeah... didnt see it at the time though. I watched the whole thing, and really felt the pressure. Good tough game. Score graph by Critter 1.6 at 15 depth. I liked Vishy's 19. ... f5

1. 21 [+0.24] 19.... f5 20.cxb6 fxe4 21.b7 Rab8 22.Bxe4 Rxb7 23.Rhf1 e5 24.Rf2 Be6 25.Rd3 Rb3 26.Rc2 Rxd3 27.Bxd3 Kd6 28.b4 Bd5 29.e4 Bb3 30.Rd2 Kc7 31.Kb2 Be6 32.Be2 Rf8 33.Bd1 Rf4 34.Bf3 Rf8
2. 21 [+0.57] 19.... Bc7 20.Nd6 Rhd8 21.Rhf1 f6 22.Rd3 e5 23.Rfd1 Bxd6 24.cxd6+ Ke6 25.b3 Rab8 26.Kb2 f5 27.R3d2 g6 28.Kc3 Kf6 29.b4 e4 30.Be2 Be6
3. 21 [+1.08] 19.... Bd8 20.Nd6 f6 21.Rd3 Bc7 22.Rhd1 Bxd6 23.Rxd6 Be8 24.b3 Rc8 25.Kb2 Rc7 26.b4 Rf8 27.R1d2 e5 28.Be4 f5 29.Bc2 h6 30.Rd1 Rd7

Qbert
16-11-2013, 07:45 AM
Compared to the Anand-Gelfand match, I'm glad the equilibrium has been broken with most games still to go. It reminds me of WC football, where neither team risks an all out attack until one falls behind and has to come out of their corner. Anand might sharpen the play considerably now, potentially allowing 3 results in the games. (I'm not anti-draw, just like to see top players take some risks to win).

Kevin Bonham
17-11-2013, 12:26 AM
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.d3 Bc5 5.c3 0-0 6.0-0 Re8 7.Re1 a6 8.Ba4 b5 9.Bb3 d6 10.Bg5 Be6 11.Nbd2 h6 12.Bh4 Bxb3 13.axb3 Nb8 14.h3 Nbd7 15.Nh2 Qe7 16.Ndf1 Bb6 17.Ne3 Qe6 18.b4 a5 19.bxa5 Bxa5 20.Nhg4 Bb6 21.Bxf6 Nxf6 22.Nxf6+ Qxf6 23.Qg4 Bxe3 24.fxe3 Qe7 25.Rf1 c5 26.Kh2 c4 27.d4 Rxa1 28.Rxa1 Qb7 29.Rd1 Qc6 30.Qf5 exd4 31.Rxd4 Re5 32.Qf3 Qc7 33.Kh1 Qe7 34.Qg4 Kh7 35.Qf4 g6 36.Kh2 Kg7 37.Qf3 Re6 38.Qg3 Rxe4 39.Qxd6 Rxe3 40.Qxe7 Rxe7 41.Rd5 Rb7 42.Rd6 f6 43.h4 Kf7 44.h5 gxh5 45.Rd5 Kg6 46.Kg3 Rb6 47.Rc5 f5 48.Kh4 Re6 49.Rxb5 Re4+ 50.Kh3 Kg5 51.Rb8 h4 52.Rg8+ Kh5 53.Rf8 Rf4 54.Rc8 Rg4 55.Rf8 Rg3+ 56.Kh2 Kg5 57.Rg8+ Kf4 58.Rc8 Ke3 59.Rxc4 f4 60.Ra4 h3 61.gxh3 Rg6 62.c4 f3 63.Ra3+ Ke2 64.b4 f2 65.Ra2+ Kf3 66.Ra3+ Kf4 67.Ra8 Rg1 0-1

Disappointing performance by Anand apparently still shellshocked from yesterday. He avoided sharp lines and gave Carlsen what we know he wants. The game was objectively drawn anyway but 60.Ra4?? was a critical waste of tempo and played with far too much time on the clock in a position demanding more analysis.

I would have liked to see the rather pretty line 63...Ke2 64.Ra2 Rg2+ 65.Kh1 Rg1+!! and wins but sadly not to be.

Kevin Bonham
17-11-2013, 12:35 AM
Interestingly both players in the press conference think 60.b4 is dead lost and that Anand fell for a trick a few moves before that by going into that line at all. It will be interesting to see if analysis does find that 60.b4 is a loss but at the moment I'm not finding it.

Agent Smith
17-11-2013, 04:59 AM
Kind-of hoping it's not too embarassing from here on. It'd be nice for the departing Champ to make a fight of it, or just find a win somewhere. But sport is tough, and Carlsen won't give him anything.

Craig_Hall
17-11-2013, 08:45 AM
Interestingly both players in the press conference think 60.b4 is dead lost and that Anand fell for a trick a few moves before that by going into that line at all. It will be interesting to see if analysis does find that 60.b4 is a loss but at the moment I'm not finding it.

The analysis on Chessbase is that b4 holds. Basically run the pawns and sac the Rook into a drawn P vs R ending.

Qbert
17-11-2013, 08:53 AM
here is a gross inaccuracy (nothing to do with strategy though):

Amanda Hoh claims in "Magnus Carlsen: the male model captivating the chess world" article published on SMH (November 14, 2013 - 2:06PM)

While Illingworth has only competed in Australian tournaments he hopes to one day reach the status that Carlsen now enjoys.

That's a blatantly distorted false statement. IM Max Illinworth has competed successfully in a no. of international tournaments as well as having represented Australia in the most recent Olympiad at Istanbul!

The only coverage in NZ I've noticed so far is this 10min Radio NZ interview of John Saunders by Simon Morton yesterday afternoon http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/thiswayup. The host shows his ignorance by bagging the live coverage with this gem at about 9mins: "...bleach-blond Russian ladies commenting with someone who knows about chess....". Fortunately Saunders puts him in his place about it straight away, but I wonder how the origin of GM Susan Polgar's hair colour could have significance to her chess knowledge.

Come to think of it, the bald expat Englishman Morton may have stumbled on the secret of Carlsen's success: his dazzling blond hair is completely natural! That must be why Nakamura donned dark rayban sunglasses to play him (with success - 2 draws) in the St Louis tournament just before the WChp - it was to neutralise the blond hair! There's valuable lessons here for the Anand camp to get back in the match. for game 7 expect to see some fancy eyewear or a radical change in hair colour from Anand! You heard it here first! :)

ER
17-11-2013, 09:06 AM
, ... but I wonder how the origin of GM Susan Polgar's hair colour could have significance to her chess knowledge.
LOL I also wonder how Polgar's country of origin is given by Morton as Russian!!!

Kevin Bonham
17-11-2013, 11:14 AM
In game five, it's being reported that 51...Re2 was still a draw.

Sheroff
17-11-2013, 11:18 AM
I don't understand why 44. h5 was necessary, or good. It lets Black advance his king up to the sixth rank, and beyond. If Anand does not play this, how does Black make progress as far as king activity? Perhap Anand was afraid of Black's ... h5, but what's the follow-up? Looks pretty drawish without 44. h5. Of course I'm no endgame expert (understatement of the year). Solo would know...

Cheers,
Kevin Casey

billkerr
17-11-2013, 11:23 AM
My summary: Anand has better opening preparation and very good in sharp positions; Carlsen better at endgames.
My thought: Maybe Carlsen will induce some of us to study endgames more seriously.

https://twitter.com/Kasparov63

Tarrasch said, "before the endgame the gods have placed the middlegame." Sadly for Anand, in the endgame the gods have placed Carlsen!

A strange match but oddly balanced. Carlsen plays without openings and Anand without endgames! Statistically, that's in Magnus's favor.

Again Carlsen got next to nothing in the opening. Amazed Anand went into endgame. Could take on d4, keep queens on, very different game.

Not to say Anand's 13..Bc7 was objectively bad, probably it is fine & had many chances to hold draw. But fits Carlsen's style perfectly.

This is the conundrum. Hard to allow fear of opponent's strengths (or own weaknesses) push you away from objective evaluation of position.

After 13..Nxd4 14.exd4 the queens are still on the board & black has the bishop pair to compensate for white's central pawns. A middlegame!

Btw, Anand inspired the same sort of fear over the years. Players often try to avoid complications against his tactical talent.

No deep analysis, I'm leaving Indonesia for Singapore in just 6 hrs! Live I thought 45..Rc1+ was mistake. ..Ra1 46.Bg8+ Kc6 47.Bxb3 Rxa3! =

As I see others suggesting, playing 39..g4 instead of sacrificing the pawn also looks superior. Though was likely still drawn as I said.

I was amazed at how quickly Magnus played 52.a4. He just *knows* these positions. It's very complex, a lesson in how to cut off king.

Anand is trying to play the best moves. What else? He is world champion! Hiding from equal endgame would be psychological blow.

But I had similar problem in 2000 when I lost my title to Kramnik. I played into his Berlin, his style, because I thought it was "best".

Situation not nearly as concrete for Anand, but yes, good to avoid long equal endgames vs much younger player who loves them! But how?

Anand crushed Kramnik by getting him into very sharp positions. Was very well prepared & played great, but also much more at home there.

As I said after game 3, Carlsen content to wait patiently for 'his' positions, not trying to fight sharp opening preparation war.

Despite his gifts, no way for Carlsen to catch up to Anand's opening prep advantage. So, avoid it & play to own strengths. Today it worked.

Similarly, it is unlikely Anand will fail to reach a few sharp positions of "his" preference. Then we'll see first big test for Magnus.

Without deeper analysis hard to say what "last mistake" was. Even 46..Re1 looks like it gives better drawing chances. Keep king active.

I described him once as Capablanca with the will of Alekhine! RT @rigamagician: Which player in history does Carlsen most remind you of?

Agent Smith
17-11-2013, 01:09 PM
The only coverage in NZ I've noticed so far is this 10min Radio NZ interview of John Saunders by Simon Morton yesterday afternoon http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/thiswayup. The host shows his ignorance by bagging the live coverage with this gem at about 9mins: "...bleach-blond Russian ladies commenting with someone who knows about chess....". Fortunately Saunders puts him in his place about it straight away, but I wonder how the origin of GM Susan Polgar's hair colour could have significance to her chess knowledge.

Come to think of it, the bald expat Englishman Morton may have stumbled on the secret of Carlsen's success: his dazzling blond hair is completely natural! That must be why Nakamura donned dark rayban sunglasses to play him (with success - 2 draws) in the St Louis tournament just before the WChp - it was to neutralise the blond hair! There's valuable lessons here for the Anand camp to get back in the match. for game 7 expect to see some fancy eyewear or a radical change in hair colour from Anand! You heard it here first! :)
:) Chess is a much malligned game. You'd have to expect the office shit-kickers to be given the Chess duty.

Anyway - to digress - playing a little competitive sport, it's obvious to me how fitness wins matches. Carlsen is just driving Anand into the ground the same way any elite athlete wins. By pressure and endurance. Of course, one can get cocky and play losing moves at any time in chess, but Carlsen also has a very level head.

Kevin Bonham
17-11-2013, 01:10 PM
TWIC mentions that one of the commentators said Anand had difficulty sleeping between games five and six.

Agent Smith
17-11-2013, 01:12 PM
I don't understand why 44. h5 was necessary, or good. It lets Black advance his king up to the sixth rank, and beyond. If Anand does not play this, how does Black make progress as far as king activity? Perhap Anand was afraid of Black's ... h5, but what's the follow-up? Looks pretty drawish without 44. h5. Of course I'm no endgame expert (understatement of the year). Solo would know...
I think he was just opening Carlsens pawn structure into something he was more comfortable about holding to a draw.

antichrist
17-11-2013, 04:54 PM
TWIC mentions that one of the commentators said Anand had difficulty sleeping between games five and six.

what does he expect when he lets the game get into two bishops on back rank for endgame

Kevin Bonham
17-11-2013, 06:15 PM
what does he expect when he lets the game get into two bishops on back rank for endgame

Anand would beat you 1000 times out of 1000 from that position. :P

Garvinator
18-11-2013, 09:42 AM
So, six games to go. Carlsen leads by two. Anand has white tonight. I do hope Anand can win the game tonight to make things interesting. I want to change my poll vote to Carlsen to win by two. That is about the only way Anand is going to win from here I think :P

antichrist
18-11-2013, 03:07 PM
How long is it since the champion in a world championship has not won a game?

Jesper Norgaard
18-11-2013, 03:56 PM
How long is it since the champion in a world championship has not won a game?

Although the question is imprecise, I guess the answer is easy: Hou Yifan from China won the Women WC in 2013 with 5˝-1˝ against Anna Ushenina from Ukraine, and with (+4=3-0) she didn't lose a game. She was the challenger, although she had won the championship in 2010. In fact she was dethroned not by a challenger in a match (she won against Koneru +3=5-0 in 2011), but by losing in the knockout format (strange rules in Women WC in FIDE).

Jesper Norgaard
18-11-2013, 04:03 PM
So, six games to go. Carlsen leads by two. Anand has white tonight. I do hope Anand can win the game tonight to make things interesting. I want to change my poll vote to Carlsen to win by two. That is about the only way Anand is going to win from here I think :P
Are you also going to the horse races expecting to bet on the winning horse after half the race has completed? ;)

Rincewind
18-11-2013, 04:15 PM
Are you also going to the horse races expecting to bet on the winning horse after half the race has completed? ;)

Especially since the WCh format is more of a Cox Plate (2040m) than a Melbourne Cup (3200m). Halfway through the Melbourne Cup there is still plenty of race to be run. But a short distance race like this, it is starting to look like pretty difficult for the present champion.

Kevin Bonham
18-11-2013, 04:17 PM
How long is it since the champion in a world championship has not won a game?

2000 Kasparov vs Kramnik. Prior examples Lasker vs Capablanca 1921, oh and Fischer forfeiting if that counts. :lol:

Garvinator
18-11-2013, 04:45 PM
2000 Kasparov vs Kramnik. Prior examples Lasker vs Capablanca 1921, oh and Fischer forfeiting if that counts. :lol:
Spassky was champion in 1972 and he won game 1. The forfeit was in game 2.

antichrist
18-11-2013, 04:48 PM
Spassky was champion in 1972 and he won game 1. The forfeit was in game 2.

Dr Bonham is referring to Bobby forfeiting the defence of the championship a few years later - I can remember what I was doing when that drama unfolded. We were all greatly disappointed.

Kevin Bonham
18-11-2013, 04:55 PM
Dr Bonham is referring to Bobby forfeiting the defence of the championship a few years later

Indeed. I probably should have said "defaulting to Karpov". There are probably also examples involving the FIDE knockout world titles but I don't think those count.

Kevin Bonham
18-11-2013, 09:37 PM
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. d3 Bc5 5. Bxc6 dxc6 6. Nbd2 Bg4 7. h3 Bh5 8. Nf1 Nd7 9. Ng3 Bxf3 10. Qxf3 g6 11. Be3 Qe7 12. O-O-O O-O-O 13. Ne2 Rhe8 14. Kb1 b6 15. h4 Kb7 16. h5 Bxe3 17. Qxe3 Nc5 18. hxg6 hxg6 19. g3 a5 20. Rh7 Rh8 21. Rdh1 Rxh7 22. Rxh7 Qf6 23. f4 Rh8 24. Rxh8 Qxh8 25. fxe5 Qxe5 26. Qf3 f5 27. exf5 gxf5 28. c3 Ne6 29. Kc2 Ng5 30. Qf2 Ne6 31. Qf3 Ng5 32. Qf2 Ne6 ˝-˝

Carlsen 4.5-2.5 Anand

Agent Smith
19-11-2013, 05:22 AM
http://en.chessbase.com/Portals/4/files/news/2013/chennai/chennai-rd7-02.jpg

Capablanca-Fan
19-11-2013, 07:21 AM
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. d3 Bc5 5. Bxc6 dxc6 6. Nbd2 Bg4 7. h3 Bh5 8. Nf1 Nd7 9. Ng3 Bxf3 10. Qxf3 g6 11. Be3 Qe7 12. O-O-O O-O-O 13. Ne2 Rhe8 14. Kb1 b6 15. h4 Kb7 16. h5 Bxe3 17. Qxe3 Nc5 18. hxg6 hxg6 19. g3 a5 20. Rh7 Rh8 21. Rdh1 Rxh7 22. Rxh7 Qf6 23. f4 Rh8 24. Rxh8 Qxh8 25. fxe5 Qxe5 26. Qf3 f5 27. exf5 gxf5 28. c3 Ne6 29. Kc2 Ng5 30. Qf2 Ne6 31. Qf3 Ng5 32. Qf2 Ne6 ˝-˝

Carlsen 4.5-2.5 Anand
The opening, with the superior White P structure and exchanging Black's B-pair, seems to be one that Carlsen would like for grinding down other super-GMs. But evidently he doesn't have trouble holding with Black.

Kevin Bonham
19-11-2013, 10:34 AM
Carlsen said in the press conference he thought it was more pleasant for white but because his pieces were well developed and he had no weaknesses he was not concerned.

ElevatorEscapee
19-11-2013, 07:24 PM
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. d3 Bc5 5. Bxc6 dxc6 6. Nbd2 Bg4 7. h3 Bh5 8. Nf1 Nd7 9. Ng3 Bxf3 10. Qxf3 g6 11. Be3 Qe7 12. O-O-O O-O-O 13. Ne2 Rhe8 14. Kb1 b6 15. h4 Kb7 16. h5 Bxe3 17. Qxe3 Nc5 18. hxg6 hxg6 19. g3 a5 20. Rh7 Rh8 21. Rdh1 Rxh7 22. Rxh7 Qf6 23. f4 Rh8 24. Rxh8 Qxh8 25. fxe5 Qxe5 26. Qf3 f5 27. exf5 gxf5 28. c3 Ne6 29. Kc2 Ng5 30. Qf2 Ne6 31. Qf3 Ng5 32. Qf2 Ne6 ˝-˝
Carlsen 4.5-2.5 Anand

I didn't get the chance to watch this one live... but playing through the moves supplied by Dr Kevin Bonham (to you, thank you) - my initial thought was that 28.d4 (forking knight & queen) looked very obvious and strong... and I couldn't see how Black could defend. Looking at it a little deeper, it would seem that 28... Qe4 defends quite easily.

Kevin Bonham
19-11-2013, 07:47 PM
Ah, that clears up AC's mysterious (to me) comment about queen and knight forks in the shoutbox. I was very busy last night and paid game seven only limited attention.

Desmond
19-11-2013, 07:52 PM
If you were making a movie about this match who would you cast?

Kevin Bonham
19-11-2013, 08:52 PM
Game 8. Didn't pay much attention to this one.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0-0 Nxe4 5.Re1 Nd6 6.Nxe5 Be7 7.Bf1 Nxe5 8.Rxe5 0-0 9.d4 Bf6 10.Re1 Re8 11.c3 Rxe1 12.Qxe1 Ne8 13.Bf4 d5 14.Bd3 g6 15.Nd2 Ng7 16.Qe2 c6 17.Re1 Bf5 18.Bxf5 Nxf5 19.Nf3 Ng7 20.Be5 Ne6 21.Bxf6 Qxf6 22.Ne5 Re8 23.Ng4 Qd8 24.Qe5 Ng7 25.Qxe8+ Nxe8 26.Rxe8+ Qxe8 27.Nf6+ Kf8 28.Nxe8 Kxe8 29.f4 f5 30.Kf2 b5 31.b4 Kf7 32.h3 h6 33.h4 h5 1/2-1/2

Garvinator
19-11-2013, 09:46 PM
I am tipping a rather insipid ending to this match.

pax
20-11-2013, 03:06 AM
I am tipping a rather insipid ending to this match.

Anand appears defeated, and Carlsen has little desire to press.

Garvinator
20-11-2013, 07:23 AM
Anand appears defeated, and Carlsen has little desire to press.It is also another reason why I do like the first to six wins format. At least a player had to win a game to win the world championship. Rather than a bunch of draws.

antichrist
20-11-2013, 11:08 AM
It is also another reason why I do like the first to six wins format. At least a player had to win a game to win the world championship. Rather than a bunch of draws.

I totally agree with you but when considering that the women's tennis championships go for about 30 mins if Serena Williams is playing how can we complain?

Kevin Bonham
20-11-2013, 12:16 PM
It is also another reason why I do like the first to six wins format. At least a player had to win a game to win the world championship. Rather than a bunch of draws.

I'd just prefer longer finite matches than twelve games. In a finite match once one player does win a situation is created in which draws are strongly against the interests of the player who is trailing. In an infinite match a draw leaves the scoreboard unchanged, so while players must play for wins eventually, they can tread water with several draws in a row while working on preparation.

Ian Rout
20-11-2013, 12:41 PM
I'd just prefer longer finite matches than twelve games. In a finite match once one player does win a situation is created in which draws are strongly against the interests of the player who is trailing. In an infinite match a draw leaves the scoreboard unchanged, so while players must play for wins eventually, they can tread water with several draws in a row while working on preparation.
As in the first K-K. A closely-fought match to six could well take sixty or more games and go for over three months.

ER
20-11-2013, 01:59 PM
I am not sure if I am still carried away by the history and the surrounding, chess and non chess related, events but I prefer the Fischer vs Spassky 1972 match rules, with one condition! To change the champion retains the title rule in the case of a tie and replace it with a no. of say rapid / blitz games to decide the winner.

Rincewind
20-11-2013, 02:30 PM
As in the first K-K. A closely-fought match to six could well take sixty or more games and go for over three months.

Surely Campomanes would not have allowed that to happen.

Capablanca-Fan
21-11-2013, 01:04 AM
I am not sure if I am still carried away by the history and the surrounding, chess and non chess related, events but I prefer the Fischer vs Spassky 1972 match rules, with one condition! To change the champion retains the title rule in the case of a tie and replace it with a no. of say rapid / blitz games to decide the winner.

That's very sensible.

Garvinator
21-11-2013, 06:43 AM
The first to six matches also took a long time in terms of start to finish (calendar wise) because they played three days between games, quite often switched venues so had days off between games and it there players were permitted a certain number of time outs they could take at their discretion for any reason. So it was common place that sometimes a game would not take place for two weeks and then it would be a short draw.

I favour a schedule of first to six wins, with play on alternating days, so one day on, on day off. So there is no disadvantage for who gets white after the rest day. After seeing the events of the recent America's Cup, I do not buy for a second the argument the need for an immediate result.

antichrist
21-11-2013, 07:49 PM
The first to six matches also took a long time in terms of start to finish (calendar wise) because they played three days between games, quite often switched venues so had days off between games and it there players were permitted a certain number of time outs they could take at their discretion for any reason. So it was common place that sometimes a game would not take place for two weeks and then it would be a short draw.

I favour a schedule of first to six wins, with play on alternating days, so one day on, on day off. So there is no disadvantage for who gets white after the rest day. After seeing the events of the recent America's Cup, I do not buy for a second the argument the need for an immediate result.

I thought consecutive days games and alternate day games does not permit the best games, and remember olden days of days break. After a extremely testing game one can be effected for 3 days.

Kevin Bonham
21-11-2013, 10:55 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.f3 d5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 c5 7.cxd5 exd5 8.e3 c4 9.Ne2 Nc6 10.g4 0-0 11.Bg2 Na5 12.0-0 Nb3 13.Ra2 b5 14.Ng3 a5 15.g5 Ne8 16.e4 Nxc1 17.Qxc1 Ra6 18.e5 Nc7 19.f4 b4 20.axb4 axb4 21.Rxa6 Nxa6 22.f5 b3 23.Qf4 Nc7 24.f6 g6 25.Qh4 Ne8 26.Qh6 b2 27.Rf4 b1=Q+ 28.Nf1 Qe1 0-1

Anand spent about 40 mins on 23.Qf4 but then blundered with Nf1 instead of Bf1. After Bf1 Qd8 black must return the whole queen and it's probably level; Carlsen must have seen this.

Poor Vishy; the way he played this game did not deserve this fate.

Carlsen leads 6-3 and needs one draw from three games to be world champion.

Garvinator
21-11-2013, 11:03 PM
Anand spent about 40 mins on 23.Qf4 but then blundered with Nf1 instead of Bf1. After Bf1 Qd8 black must return the whole queen and it's probably level; Carlsen must have seen this.It is an unusual quirk of chess that when a player of almost any standard does take an overly long time over one particular move, a blunder comes soon after.

I blew up more about Lawrence and Sachdev's incorrect answer about note taking :doh:

Kevin Bonham
21-11-2013, 11:39 PM
It is an unusual quirk of chess that when a player of almost any standard does take an overly long time over one particular move, a blunder comes soon after.

I'll do an antichrist here and point out that I once spent 25 minutes in a G90 flat calculating 14 moves deep in a very sharp position and won very nicely without blundering anything on that move or any later one. :) But yes, it's surprisingly common. In my case if I spend too long I often play a fairly bad move on that move.


I blew up more about Lawrence and Sachdev's incorrect answer about note taking :doh:

Yes that was ridiculous. They were asked by twitter or email if you are allowed to write notes during games and both of them said it is allowed but people just don't do it because they get distracted. The answer is that it is not allowed at all and that all kinds of things (including writing and crossing out alternate moves, and writing your move before you make it) are banned because they are deemed to be making notes. Even writing ! and ? on moves in games can be illegal in cases because it may distract/annoy your opponent.

Also a rather odd moment in the press conference when Karlovich asked Anand if he was calculating certain lines to the end when he was spending 40 minutes on move 23 and he responded "No I was thinking about what to eat tonight". At our level it might be filed under "obvious question" but not for a less experienced audience and there would have been plenty watching who would have been genuinely curious about what lines he was going through.

antichrist
22-11-2013, 08:50 AM
I'll do an antichrist here and point out that I once spent 25 minutes in a G90 flat calculating 14 moves deep in a very sharp position and won very nicely without blundering anything on that move or any later one. :) But yes, it's surprisingly common. In my case if I spend too long I often play a fairly bad move on that move.
......................

You certainly do an AC there, coz I don't blunder either after long thinks, very very careful about what order etc and usually if not always win (at $100 one way bet cant afford to lose - ha ha)

billkerr
22-11-2013, 11:23 AM
There is a helpful 11 minute summary of game 9 by Daniel King on you tube, here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww_qifR3ajI&list=TLFHsyHCmU6az3T7cWJLwpq8uz7fs-734y)

I didn't understand why 28. Bf1 failed to win, (instead of Nf1), until I saw this (having missed the online commentary and press conference)

Agent Smith
22-11-2013, 06:56 PM
We missed out on a corker of a game.

Anand has made a couple of bad blunders in the last year or so i think, so is obviously not the same quality player he once was. Though he was taking Carlsen apart tactically in this one. Only MCs precise analysis kept him in it.

Kevin Bonham
22-11-2013, 07:16 PM
If FIDE had had a better qualifying system last time Anand may well have been dethroned earlier and less heavily (and perhaps not even by Carlsen!) than appears likely to now be the case.

Kevin Bonham
22-11-2013, 07:48 PM
Stem game for tonight (by transposition and posted mainly in amusement at who was black)

Schoeneberg, Manfred 2360 - Danailov, Silvio 2425

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Qxd4 Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 6.Bxc6 Bxc6 7.c4 Nf6 8.Nc3 e6 9.0-0 Be7 10.Qd3 0-0 11.Nd4 Rc8 12.Bg5 a6 13.Rac1 Qa5 14.Bd2 Qd8 15.Bg5 b6 16.Nxc6 Rxc6 17.Ne2 Qa8 18.f3 Rfc8 19.Be3 Nd7 20.b3 Qb7 21.Nd4 R6c7 22.a4 Bf6 23.Rfd1 g6 24.Ne2 Be7 25.Nc3 Rc6 ˝–˝

ER
22-11-2013, 07:48 PM
But what could FIDE do? The old Zonal systems clearly favoured the Soviets, and something similar nowadays would go on forever and ever amen! According to what I was told by one top FIDE administrator (also a GM and national trainer) these days players object to long qualification processes since there's not enough money in them. One should not forget the year round strong individual and club tournaments which are sponsored by big corporate companies who pay big money in prizes, appearance fees and sponsorship! Really hard to organise a tournament according to the old "amateur" days!
Kev I am PM ing you the name...

Kevin Bonham
22-11-2013, 08:17 PM
But what could FIDE do?

They could do what they did this time.

The qualification cycle leading to the Anand-Gelfand match was of knockout matches that were too short, resulting in a deluge of tedious draws with hardly any wins and in an increased chance of the strongest player not winning through. Carlsen boycotted that cycle and the system was replaced with an eight-player supertournament that was exciting and that saw two of the best available challengers tie for first. (Shame about the silly tiebreak system.)

There are quite a few players still willing to play in the Grand Prix, which is a long path, but I think they do it for the money from the individual tournaments more than for the title shot, and the very top few will not play in it. I agree that we can't have a system that consists solely of long qualification paths as the very leading players will never put up with it.

Adamski
22-11-2013, 08:43 PM
We could have a new world champion tonight!

Kevin Bonham
23-11-2013, 12:22 AM
Magnus Carlsen 16th World Champion!

Congrats to the successful tippers of 6.5-3.5, who were Adamski, Jay and JGB.

Carlsen probably missed a few wins in this game. 30.Nc3, 43.Nd2 and 47.Nh5 all deserve attention.

Note that Carlsen did not take the knight because after Nxc5 the game is drawn by dead position and this immediately ends the game!

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bb5+ Nd7 4.d4 cxd4 5.Qxd4 a6 6.Bxd7+ Bxd7 7.c4 Nf6 8.Bg5 e6 9.Nc3 Be7 10.0-0 Bc6 11.Qd3 0-0 12.Nd4 Rc8 13.b3 Qc7 14.Nxc6 Qxc6 15.Rac1 h6 16.Be3 Nd7 17.Bd4 Rfd8 18.h3 Qc7 19.Rfd1 Qa5 20.Qd2 Kf8 21.Qb2 Kg8 22.a4 Qh5 23.Ne2 Bf6 24.Rc3 Bxd4 25.Rxd4 Qe5 26.Qd2 Nf6 27.Re3 Rd7 28.a5 Qg5 29.e5 Ne8 30.exd6 Rc6 31.f4 Qd8 32.Red3 Rcxd6 33.Rxd6 Rxd6 34.Rxd6 Qxd6 35.Qxd6 Nxd6 36.Kf2 Kf8 37.Ke3 Ke7 38.Kd4 Kd7 39.Kc5 Kc7 40.Nc3 Nf5 41.Ne4 Ne3 42.g3 f5 43.Nd6 g5 44.Ne8+ Kd7 45.Nf6+ Ke7 46.Ng8+ Kf8 47.Nxh6 gxf4 48.gxf4 Kg7 49.Nxf5+ exf5 50.Kb6 Ng2 51.Kxb7 Nxf4 52.Kxa6 Ne6 53.Kb6 f4 54.a6 f3 55.a7 f2 56.a8=Q f1=Q 57.Qd5 Qe1 58.Qd6 Qe3+ 59.Ka6 Nc5+ 60.Kb5 Nxb3 61.Qc7+ Kh6 62.Qb6+ Qxb6+ 63.Kxb6 Kh5 64.h4 Kxh4 65.c5 Nxc5 ˝-˝

Capablanca-Fan
23-11-2013, 02:09 AM
Magnus Carlsen 16th World Champion!

Congrats to the successful tippers of 6.5-3.5, who were Adamski, Jay and JGB.

Carlsen probably missed a few wins in this game. 30.Nc3, 43.Nd2 and 47.Nh5 all deserve attention.

Note that Carlsen did not take the knight because after Nxc5 the game is drawn by dead position and this immediately ends the game!

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bb5+ Nd7 4.d4 cxd4 5.Qxd4 a6 6.Bxd7+ Bxd7 7.c4 Nf6 8.Bg5 e6 9.Nc3 Be7 10.0-0 Bc6 11.Qd3 0-0 12.Nd4 Rc8 13.b3 Qc7 14.Nxc6 Qxc6 15.Rac1 h6 16.Be3 Nd7 17.Bd4 Rfd8 18.h3 Qc7 19.Rfd1 Qa5 20.Qd2 Kf8 21.Qb2 Kg8 22.a4 Qh5 23.Ne2 Bf6 24.Rc3 Bxd4 25.Rxd4 Qe5 26.Qd2 Nf6 27.Re3 Rd7 28.a5 Qg5 29.e5 Ne8 30.exd6 Rc6 31.f4 Qd8 32.Red3 Rcxd6 33.Rxd6 Rxd6 34.Rxd6 Qxd6 35.Qxd6 Nxd6 36.Kf2 Kf8 37.Ke3 Ke7 38.Kd4 Kd7 39.Kc5 Kc7 40.Nc3 Nf5 41.Ne4 Ne3 42.g3 f5 43.Nd6 g5 44.Ne8+ Kd7 45.Nf6+ Ke7 46.Ng8+ Kf8 47.Nxh6 gxf4 48.gxf4 Kg7 49.Nxf5+ exf5 50.Kb6 Ng2 51.Kxb7 Nxf4 52.Kxa6 Ne6 53.Kb6 f4 54.a6 f3 55.a7 f2 56.a8=Q f1=Q 57.Qd5 Qe1 58.Qd6 Qe3+ 59.Ka6 Nc5+ 60.Kb5 Nxb3 61.Qc7+ Kh6 62.Qb6+ Qxb6+ 63.Kxb6 Kh5 64.h4 Kxh4 65.c5 Nxc5 ˝-˝

I totally endorse the heading as well. I hope that after Anand and now Carlsen, we'll hear no more people calling Khalifman, Ponomariov, Kasimdzhanov, and Topalov ‘World Champions’.

It seems likely that Carlsen could be the World Champion for the next 10–15 years.

Agent Smith
23-11-2013, 06:40 AM
What a game, and tournament. I was a little suprised Magnus appeared to decline a 3x draw with Vishy's king shuffle, but the Wch deserved a better finale, and they gave it to us
It seems likely that Carlsen could be the World Champion for the next 10–15 years.
Definitely possible. He's a phenomenal player.

Ian Rout
23-11-2013, 08:09 AM
I totally endorse the heading as well. I hope that after Anand and now Carlsen, we'll hear no more people calling Khalifman, Ponomariov, Kasimdzhanov, and Topalov ‘World Champions’.

I don't have a problem with Topalov as World Champion. He won a process not dissimilar to what would most likely happen without complaint if Carlsen fell under a Chennai tram tomorrow.

The only real argument against him is that the title was not vacant when he took it, but this is weak given that no credible cycle had been held for twelve years (Fischer was sacked in 1975 after three years) and the supposed reigning champion had even qualified to meet the champion by losing a play-off.

I think the reasons people prefer not to recognise Topalov are that they don't like him, and that continuity can be imagined since during the interregnum the supposed champion was either the best player in the world or at least not clearly not the best player. However the first of those arguments would disqualify Alekhine and the second would have made Carlsen the World Champion for at least twelve months already.

Capablanca-Fan
23-11-2013, 08:57 AM
stevenaaus, when I was teaching in chemistry labs, one rule was no graphs without labelled axes.

antichrist
23-11-2013, 10:29 AM
stevenaaus, when I was teaching in chemistry labs, one rule was no graphs without labelled axes.

but don't worry about labelled axis, they have become redundant

Watto
23-11-2013, 11:23 AM
I feel a bit sad for Vishy Anand but it's exciting to have such a dominant world champion in Magnus Carlsen. Really looking forward to the candidates tournament early next year.

Nice to see Magnus looking so relaxed after his win - here he is being thrown into the swimming pool: http://www.chess-news.ru/en/node/14012

antichrist
23-11-2013, 11:27 AM
I feel a bit sad for Vishy Anand but it's exciting to have such a dominant world champion in Magnus Carlsen. Really looking forward to the candidates tournament early next year.

Nice to see Magnus looking so relaxed after his win - here he is being thrown into the swimming pool: http://www.chess-news.ru/en/node/14012

I agree with you and did not like to see a champion just discarded but I will sort of claim that I predicted such in asking how long since a World Champ never won a game in losing the championship

ER
23-11-2013, 01:22 PM
Your silly question "why not Rh4?" took the cake though! :P

Adamski
23-11-2013, 03:40 PM
Huge congratulations to Magnus. A great and clear victory.
"Long to reign over us."

Kevin Bonham
23-11-2013, 04:22 PM
I agree with you and did not like to see a champion just discarded but I will sort of claim that I predicted such in asking how long since a World Champ never won a game in losing the championship

I think you asked that after Anand had already lost twice. The chance of Anand winning a game from there was not that high. Probably wouldn't have got $2 odds on him not doing so.

Watto
30-11-2013, 09:07 AM
Some interesting post match articles in the Indian press, one with Anand who says he is not keen to retire despite the loss being a heavy blow: http://newindianexpress.com/sport/Only-Tired-Not-Keen-to-Retire-Anand/2013/11/30/article1919035.ece

Agent Smith
30-11-2013, 01:36 PM
Anand -

He outplayed me. My strategy was a failure and I was not able to cope with his plan and he got whatever he wanted in the end. He totally deserved to win

Agent Smith
30-11-2013, 01:56 PM
Ian Rogers writes quite a bit for uschess.org.
Here he is with the big K. at Chennai
http://www.uschess.org/images/stories/CLO/11.13CLO/RogersKaspy.jpg

antichrist
30-11-2013, 03:39 PM
Ian Rogers writes quite a bit for uschess.org.
Here he is with the big K. at Chennai
http://www.uschess.org/images/stories/CLO/11.13CLO/RogersKaspy.jpg

that means that after all theses years they have made up over a chess board - good on them

Something about the "greatest insult ever in chess"

Agent Smith
07-12-2013, 09:01 AM
They are media personalites now... I wouldnt go so far to assume they are friendly.

Alex Wohl had a say http://doubleroo.blogspot.com.au/2013/11/the-champions-advocate.html
About Vishy:

He has never been more than the best amongst equals, never a class above the rest like Karpov, Kasparov or Carlsen.

and he was one of the heretical neighsayers.

So obviously I am predicting a Carlsen victory? No I am not! ....
The first two games have revealed a lot already. In game one Magnus was forced to grovel a draw with white in 16 moves. Vishy could have played on.
....I predict that Anand will win this match.
It's been a fortnight since Carlsen finished Vishy off, but no new post. ;)

It was nice to see Magnus get some home accolades, kicking off a local football match
http://www.chess.com/news/magnus-carlsen-kicks-off-real-madrid-vs-real-valladolid-la-liga-2847

Capablanca-Fan
07-12-2013, 04:40 PM
It was nice to see Magnus get some home accolades, kicking off a local football match
http://www.chess.com/news/magnus-carlsen-kicks-off-real-madrid-vs-real-valladolid-la-liga-2847
Hmmm, maybe also because his first coach GM Simen Agdestein was also on the Norway football team (http://www.sportstaronnet.com/stories/20131214503601800.htm).