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Kevin Bonham
10-02-2012, 10:11 AM
Six game match just announced.

http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7906

ER
10-02-2012, 07:22 PM
Six game match just announced.

http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7906

That would be a great match, 2nd vs 3rd in the world FIDE ratings I am told!

BTW till Kasparov's reign finished was ever a case when a World Championship match did not involve the best (rating wise) player in the world?

Adamski
10-02-2012, 08:06 PM
Should be interesting. Only the prize money at stake, no title, so maybe they will look for wins rather than draws!

Kevin Bonham
10-02-2012, 08:08 PM
BTW till Kasparov's reign finished was ever a case when a World Championship match did not involve the best (rating wise) player in the world?

Counting World Championship matches only as undisputed or "classical" world championships, I don't think so, but the FIDE rating system only began in 1971. Using unofficial systems that go back further, like Sonas' system, would probably give examples of such matches.

By the way since Kasparov ceased to be World Champion there have been two such cases - in 2004 Kramnik played Leko while Kasparov was still #1 and in 2010 Anand played Topalov while Carlsen was #1.

ER
10-02-2012, 08:43 PM
Counting World Championship matches only as undisputed or "classical" world championships, I don't think so, but the FIDE rating system only began in 1971. Using unofficial systems that go back further, like Sonas' system, would probably give examples of such matches.

By the way since Kasparov ceased to be World Champion there have been two such cases - in 2004 Kramnik played Leko while Kasparov was still #1 and in 2010 Anand played Topalov while Carlsen was #1.

Thanks, good info!

Kevin Bonham
19-04-2012, 10:59 PM
Starts in about 48 hours. I've put a poll up.

Agent Smith
22-04-2012, 05:54 AM
Aronian 1-0
http://www.chessdom.com/kramnik-aronian-2012-live/
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "GMKramnik"]
[Black "GMAronian"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2801"]
[BlackElo "2820"]
1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.Nc3 e6 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bxf6 Qxf6 7.e3 Nd7 8.Bd3
dxc4 9.Bxc4 g6 10.O-O Bg7 11.Re1 O-O 12.e4 e5 13.d5 Rd8 14.Re3 b5 15.dxc6
bxc4 16.Nd5 Qe6 17.cxd7 Rxd7 18.Qa4 Bb7 19.Qxc4 Bxd5 20.exd5 Qxd5 21.Qxd5
Rxd5 22.Rae1 Re8 23.g4 Kh7 24.g5 hxg5 25.Nxg5+ Kg8 26.f4 Rb8 27.fxe5 Rxb2
28.Nf3 Rxa2 29.e6 fxe6 30.Rxe6 Rf5 31.Nh4 Rf4 32.R6e4 Rf6 33.Rg4 Kf7 34.
Rc1 Bh6 35.Rc7+ Ke8 36.Re4+ Kd8 37.Rh7 Bf8 38.Rd4+ Kc8 39.Rc4+ Kb8 40.Rd7
g5 41.Ng6 Bd6 0-1
BTW - the games seem broadcast on FICS. So with scidvspc, just "observe GMAronian", or if the game is finished, "smoves GMAronian -1"

Desmond
22-04-2012, 10:25 AM
Where did white go wrong? He seemed to be doing OK around move 25. Was 26.f4 the error, allowing black to grab teh b2-pawn and generate counterplay?

Solo
22-04-2012, 11:14 AM
He is already much worse at the start of the ending, so the question is where he went wrong in the opening. I think Re1 was unusual, and more common is Qc2, but Kramnik must have prepared something! In the ending Kramnik was desperately trying to swap Pawns and the Bishop was much better than the Knight. A great game by Aronian winning without his opponent making any clear mistakes!

Max Illingworth
22-04-2012, 12:50 PM
11.Re1 is a standard move but 14.Re3 looks strange unless Black has already played ...Bg4. 14.h3 makes more sense though 14...b5 might still be fine for Black.

Vlad
22-04-2012, 10:34 PM
According to Shipov, 16...Qe6 was a novelty, which was a surprise for Kramnik (this game followed a game between the current european woman champion Gunina and Muzychuk). Kramnik did not react perfectly to the novelty... So I guess it is either that novelty is so good that the improvement could be found earlier or that Kramnik's play after move 16 can be improved.

Vlad
22-04-2012, 10:40 PM
Yes 11. Re1 is a quite standard move, while 14. Re3 was a novelty played by Gunina, which Kramnik presumably liked...

Kevin Bonham
23-04-2012, 02:52 PM
Game two was a draw.

Agent Smith
25-04-2012, 06:18 AM
Nice win for the ol' fellow :)
1-1/2 1-1/2

In the end, Aronian's black bishop and knight had no respite due to lack of supporting pawns.
15 ... bxc6 seems to have been his undoing. Stockfish finds an equalising line.

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "GMKramnik"]
[Black "GMAronian"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2801"]
[BlackElo "2820"]


1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.d4 exd4 5.Nxd4 Bc5 6.Be3 Bb6 7.Qd2 O-O 8.
O-O-O Re8 9.f3 d5 10.exd5 Nxd5 11.Bg5 Nxc3 12.Bxd8 Nxd1 13.Bxc7 Bxc7 14.
Nxc6 Ne3 15.Bb5 bxc6
( 15...Bf5 16.Nd4 Bf4 17.Bxe8
( 17.g3 Nf1 18.gxf4 Nxd2 19.Bxe8 Nxf3 20.Bxf7+ Kxf7 21.Nxf3 Re8 )
17...Nxg2 18.Bxf7+ Kxf7 19.Qxf4 Nxf4 20.Nxf5 Rd8 21.Ng3 )
16.Bxc6 Nc4 17.Qd4 Be6 18.Bxa8 Bb6 19.Qd3 Rxa8 20.Re1 Rd8 21.Qe4 g5 22.c3
Bc5 23.Re2 h6 24.g3 a5 25.f4 a4 26.f5 Bd5 27.Qd3 Bb6 28.b3 axb3 29.axb3
Na5 30.Re8+ Rxe8 31.Qxd5 Rd8 32.Qb5 Rd6 33.Kc2 Kg7 34.b4 Nb7 35.c4 Rf6 36.
g4 Nd8 37.c5 Bc7 38.Qd7 Nc6 39.b5 Na7 40.Qxc7 Nxb5 41.Qe5 Na7 42.Kd3 {
Black resigns} 1-0

Jesper Norgaard
25-04-2012, 10:07 AM
Nice win for the ol' fellow :)
1-1/2 1-1/2


Shouldn't it be 1-1 ?

I stopped counting after "one minus a half ..." ;)

Agent Smith
25-04-2012, 01:00 PM
Shouldn't it be 1-1 ?

I stopped counting after "one minus a half ..." ;)
Haha. A little maths is good for you. :)

I'm wondering about 11 ... Nxc3
Very generous of Aronian, and probably a move for an exhibition and nothing too serious.

Kevin Bonham
25-04-2012, 01:14 PM
It does seem from some of his comments that Aronian is more interested in playing some sharp stuff in the match rather than trying to sit on his lead from game 1 and just draw the remaining five games.

Capablanca-Fan
25-04-2012, 02:56 PM
I'm wondering about 11 ... Nxc3
Very generous of Aronian, and probably a move for an exhibition and nothing too serious.
But what should he have played instead? If 11... f6 then 12. Bc4. Fritz gives White a small edge here. The move played gains a lot of pieces for the Q, although Fritz gives a big advantage to White. I am not sure whether computer evaluations are so reliable with such piece imbalances. It seems that White had no weaknesses that the multiple pieces could gang up on, and they never coordinated to blockade White's passed pawns.

Kevin Bonham
26-04-2012, 02:05 AM
Game 4 drawn in 25. Rapid Kramnik 0-1 Aronian and pretty one-sided at that.

Kevin Bonham
28-04-2012, 10:54 AM
Game 5 drawn in 43, a Moscow Semi-Slav where Kramnik never had all that much to play for. Last one tonight.

Agent Smith
28-04-2012, 01:04 PM
Yes - not much of a spectacle.
So here's hoping they play a good game for the decider.

Kevin Bonham
29-04-2012, 02:18 AM
Game 6 was a good game I thought but it also ended in a draw after 43 moves so the match is tied 3-3; well done to Perpie as the only correct tipster in the poll. Aronian gets bragging rights for winning the sole rapid.

Agent Smith
29-04-2012, 08:00 AM
Entertaining finish though game was drawn.

Great play by Kramnik , and he had a winning move
33...Ne7 !

[White "GMAronian"]
[Black "GMKramnik"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2820"]
[BlackElo "2801"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.d3 Bc5 5.Nbd2 d6 6.c3 O-O 7.O-O Ne7 8.h3
Ng6 9.Re1 c6 10.Ba4 Re8 11.d4 Bb6 12.Bc2 h6 13.a4 Be6 14.Nf1 exd4 15.
Nxd4 Bd7 16.f4 d5 17.e5 Ne4 18.Bxe4 dxe4 19.a5 Bxa5 20.Ng3 Bb6 21.Kh2
c5 22.Ndf5 Bxf5 23.Nxf5 Qxd1 24.Rxd1 Rad8 25.Be3 Rd3 26.Re1 f6 27.exf6
gxf6 28.Nxh6+ Kf8 29.Ra4 Rd5 30.c4 Rd3 31.b4 Rxe3 32.Rxe3 cxb4 33.Rg3
e3
( 33...Ne7 {May win for black} 34.Rxb4 Bc7 35.Rg4 e3 )
34.Rxg6 e2 35.Ra1 Bf2 36.Rg8+ Ke7 37.Rg7+ Kd6 38.Rxb7 e1=Q 39.Rxe1
Bxe1 40.Nf5+ Kc5 41.Rb5+ Kc6 42.Nd4+ Kc7 43.Rc5+ {Game drawn by mutual
agreement}
( 43.Rc5+ Kb6 44.Rb5+ )
( 43.Rc5+ Kd8 44.Rd5+ Ke7 45.Nf5+ Kf8 46.Rb5 )
1/2-1/2

peter_parr
30-04-2012, 12:12 PM
SMH Column (http://www.chessdiscountsales.com/news/2012.htm)

Capablanca-Fan
01-05-2012, 10:57 AM
SMH Column (http://www.chessdiscountsales.com/news/2012.htm)
As you have been asked to quote text so the link doesn't become obsolete or obscure, I'll have to do it:

Aronian v Kramnik Match Drawn 3-3

Peter Parr (30/4/12)

The Zurich Chess Club in Switzerland organised a six game match between World no 2 Levon Aronian and World no 3 Vladimir Kramnik which resulted in one win each with four hard fought draws. Former World Champion Kramnik (36) won the London Classic in December and Aronian won the traditional top GM tournament in Wijk aan Zee, Netherlands in January.

Kramnik sacrificed the exchange and was winning in the sixth and final game but after a mistake in time trouble the game was drawn. The fourth game was drawn in under three hours so a rapid game (not rated or counted in the final score) was played for the spectators which headed in one direction - a decisive win by Aronian.

Kramnik,V (2801) - Aronian,L (2820) [D43] game 1
1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.Nc3 e6 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bxf6 Qxf6 7.e3 Nd7 8.Bd3 dxc4 9.Bxc4 g6 10.0–0 Bg7 11.Re1 0–0 12.e4 e5 13.d5 Rd8 14.Re3 {First played by WGM V.Gunina in 2012} b5 15.dxc6 bxc4 16.Nd5 Qe6 17.cxd7 {Kramnik spent 30 mins on this move} Rxd7 18.Qa4 Bb7 19.Qxc4 Bxd5 20.exd5 Qxd5 21.Qxd5 Rxd5 22.Rae1 Re8 23.g4 Kh7 24.g5 hxg5 25.Nxg5+ Kg8 26.f4? Rb8 27.fxe5 Rxb2 28.Nf3 Rxa2 29.e6 fxe6 30.Rxe6 Rf5 31.Nh4 Rf4! 32.R6e4 Rf6 33.Rg4 Kf7 34.Rc1 Bh6 35.Rc7+ Ke8 36.Re4+ Kd8 37.Rh7 Bf8 38.Rd4+ Kc8 39.Rc4+ Kb8 40.Rd7? g5 41.Ng6 Bd6 0–1 {Black threatens Bxh2 check followed by Rf1 mate as well as attacking the knight}.

Kramnik,V (2801) - Aronian,L (2820) [C47] game 3
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.d4 exd4 5.Nxd4 Bc5 {an unusual move to avoid opening preparation} 6.Be3 Bb6 7.Qd2 0–0 8.0–0–0 Re8 9.f3 d5 10.exd5 Nxd5 11.Bg5 Nxc3 {Aronian sacrifices his queen for an unbalanced position} 12.Bxd8 Nxd1 13.Bxc7 Bxc7 14.Nxc6 Ne3 15.Bb5! bxc6 16.Bxc6 Nc4 17.Qd4 {17 Qb4 was stronger} Be6 18.Bxa8 Bb6! 19.Qd3 Rxa8 {three pieces are usually better than the queen but the extra pawns with the queen are decisive} 20.Re1 Rd8 21.Qe4 g5? {too optimistic} 22.c3 Bc5 23.Re2 h6 24.g3 a5 25.f4 a4 26.f5 Bd5 27.Qd3 Bb6 28.b3 axb3 29.axb3 Na5 30.Re8+ {a human response reducing material in time pressure but the computer move 30 Qb5! Is better} Rxe8 31.Qxd5 Rd8 32.Qb5 Rd6 33.Kc2 Kg7 34.b4 Nb7 35.c4 Rf6 36.g4 Nd8 37.c5 Bc7 38.Qd7 Nc6 39.b5 Na7 40.Qxc7 Nxb5 41.Qe5 Na7 42.Kd3 1–0