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Grant Szuveges
28-08-2011, 12:08 PM
CITY OF MELBOURNE OPEN 2011

When: Monday 12th September to Monday 14th November (no play Monday 31st October due to MCC Cup Weekender event). 9 consecutive Monday evenings at 7.15pm. Entries close 6pm, 12th September.

Where: Melbourne Chess Club. 66 Leicester St. Fitzroy, 3065.

Format: 9 round Swiss

Time Control: 90 minutes per game + 30 seconds per move. Forfeit time is 30 minutes after game begins.

Entry Fee: $70 full, $60 concession, less $10 for MCC members. Free for GMs and IMs.

Grand Prix: The event will be part of the MCC grand prix.

Rating: The event will be FIDE and ACF rated.

Further Questions: Contact Grant Szuveges 0401-925-075.

schess
05-09-2011, 05:10 PM
How are the entries going?

Grant Szuveges
06-09-2011, 02:26 AM
Small list of entries so far, but a "phone around" in the next day or two will confirm quite a lot more. Here is who we have so far:

List of entries: 5

Domagoj DRAGICEVIC
Garth FITZMAURICE
Tanya KOLAK
Paul KOVACEVIC
Endre SIMON

Grant Szuveges
07-09-2011, 12:56 AM
List of entries: 8

Domagoj DRAGICEVIC
Garth FITZMAURICE
David GARNER (bye rd 1)
Alex KAPLAN
Tanya KOLAK
Paul KOVACEVIC
Justin PENROSE
Endre SIMON

Paul Cavezza
07-09-2011, 03:21 PM
Entries to date: 9

Domagoj DRAGICEVIC
Garth FITZMAURICE
David GARNER (bye rd 1)
Alex KAPLAN
Tanya KOLAK
Paul KOVACEVIC
Justin PENROSE
Endre SIMON
David BEAUMONT

Grant Szuveges
07-09-2011, 05:54 PM
List of entries: 10

David BEAUMONT
James BRENNAN
Domagoj DRAGICEVIC
Garth FITZMAURICE
David GARNER (bye rd 1)
Alex KAPLAN
Tanya KOLAK
Paul KOVACEVIC
Justin PENROSE
Endre SIMON

Grant Szuveges
09-09-2011, 06:56 PM
List of entries: 13

David BEAUMONT
James BRENNAN
Rad CHMIEL
Domagoj DRAGICEVIC
Garth FITZMAURICE (bye or postponement rd 1)
David GARNER (bye rd 1)
Alex KAPLAN
Tanya KOLAK
Paul KOVACEVIC
Justin PENROSE
Endre SIMON
Sylvester URBAN
Abraham WIDJAJA

Grant Szuveges
09-09-2011, 11:26 PM
List of entries: 15

David BEAUMONT
John BECKMAN
James BRENNAN
Rad CHMIEL
Domagoj DRAGICEVIC
Garth FITZMAURICE (bye or postponement rd 1)
David GARNER (bye rd 1)
Alex KAPLAN
Tanya KOLAK
Paul KOVACEVIC
Justin PENROSE
Tristan RAYSON - HILL
Endre SIMON
Sylvester URBAN
Abraham WIDJAJA

Grant Szuveges
10-09-2011, 09:40 PM
List of entries: 17

David BEAUMONT
John BECKMAN
James BRENNAN
Rad CHMIEL
Domagoj DRAGICEVIC
Garth FITZMAURICE (bye or postponement rd 1)
Ben FRAYLE
David GARNER (bye rd 1)
Alex KAPLAN
Tanya KOLAK
Paul KOVACEVIC
Justin PENROSE
Tristan RAYSON - HILL
Endre SIMON
Ian STONE
Sylvester URBAN
Abraham WIDJAJA

Carl Gorka
11-09-2011, 08:30 PM
Please put Anthony Hain and Charlotte Dilnutt into the draw :)

mikesguns
11-09-2011, 09:04 PM
Don't forget everyone this tournament is included in the Melbourne Chess Club Grand Prix. There are good prizes for this at the end of the year.

Grant Szuveges
11-09-2011, 09:20 PM
List of entries: 20

Michael ADDAMO (bye or postponement rd 1)
David BEAUMONT
John BECKMAN
James BRENNAN
Rad CHMIEL
Charlotte DILNUTT
Domagoj DRAGICEVIC
Garth FITZMAURICE (bye or postponement rd 1)
Ben FRAYLE
David GARNER (bye rd 1)
Anthony HAIN
Alex KAPLAN
Tanya KOLAK
Paul KOVACEVIC
Justin PENROSE
Tristan RAYSON - HILL
Endre SIMON
Ian STONE
Sylvester URBAN
Abraham WIDJAJA

that Caesar guy
11-09-2011, 09:46 PM
Put me down for this one Grant, it's time I came back to Monday Night ;)

Bereaved
11-09-2011, 10:24 PM
No Name Feder Rtg Loc

1. Morris, James VIC 2327 2309
2. Dragicevic, Domagoj VIC 2274 2228
3. Pyke, Malcolm L VIC 2173 2128
4. Garner, David J OS 2122 2100
5. Urban, Sylvester VIC 2087 2038
6. Beaumont, David VIC 2069 1972
7. Penrose, Justin QLD 2034 1929
8. Addamo, Michael VIC 1882 1909
9. Fitzmaurice, Garth OS 1879 1806
10. Stone, Ian VIC 1806
11. Kovacevic, Paul VIC 1831 1752
12. Hain, Anthony VIC 1822 1747
13. Chmiel, Rad VIC 1868 1733
14. Beckman, John VIC 1737 1638
15. Kaplan, Alex VIC 1675 1529
16. Simon, Endre VIC 1596 1454
17. Frayle, Ben VIC 1582 1341
18. Kolak, Tanya VIC 1266
19. Dilnutt, Charlotte VIC 1445 1010
20. Rayson-Hill, Tristan VIC 893
21. Brennan, James VIC 837
22. Widjaja, Abraham


Take care and God Bless, Bereaved

DSS
12-09-2011, 01:06 PM
Can you please put Ari Dale in too. Hopefully he can stay awake tonight after arriving home at 2.00am.

Bereaved
12-09-2011, 02:02 PM
Maybe you could consider Ari postponing his round 1 game as some others are doing? Also I have just learned that Mirko Rujevic is playing tonight!:) the field is getting stronger all the time!

Take care and God bless, Bereaved

Dusan
12-09-2011, 02:13 PM
Hi Malcolm/ Grant/ Carl,

Can you also please enter me into the list. Looking forward to it!

Cheers,
Dusan Stojic

NRMASIFD&GKFKBBK
12-09-2011, 02:38 PM
Can you please put Ari Dale in too. Hopefully he can stay awake tonight after arriving home at 2.00am.

Agree with Malcolm - unless he feels up to it physically, Ari should consider postponing his 1st round till he's recovered from jetlag . I'm sure the club will be happy to accommodate this, so maybe leave it until later this afternoon for Ari to make up his mind.

Bereaved
12-09-2011, 02:48 PM
No *Name * * * * * * * * Feder Rtg *Loc*

1. *Morris, James * * * *VIC * 2327 2309
2. *Rujevic, Mirko * * * *VIC. 2308 2293
3. *Stojic, Dusan * * * * VIC 2284 2278
4. *Dragicevic, Domagoj *VIC * 2274 2228
5. *Pyke, Malcolm L * * *VIC * 2173 2128
6. *Garner, David J * * *OS * *2122 2100
7. *Urban, Sylvester * * VIC * 2087 2038
8. *Beaumont, David * * *VIC * 2069 1972
9. *Penrose, Justin * * *QLD * 2034 1929
10. Dale, Ari * * * * * * *VIC 1977 1922
11. *Addamo, Michael * * *VIC * 1882 1909
12. *Fitzmaurice, Garth * OS * *1879 1806
13. Stone, Ian * * * * * VIC * * * *1806
14. Kovacevic, Paul * * *VIC * 1831 1752
15. Hain, Anthony * * * *VIC * 1822 1747
16. Chmiel, Rad * * * * *VIC * 1868 1733
17. Beckman, John * * * *VIC * 1737 1638
18. Kaplan, Alex * * * * VIC * 1675 1529
19. Simon, Endre * * * * VIC * 1596 1454
20. Frayle, Ben * * * * *VIC * 1582 1341
21. Kolak, Tanya * * * * VIC * * * *1266
22. Dilnutt, Charlotte * VIC * 1445 1010
23. Rayson-Hill, Tristan VIC * * * *893*
24. Brennan, James * * * VIC * * * *837*
25. Widjaja, Abraham * * * * * * * * *


Take care and God bless, Bereaved

Grant Szuveges
12-09-2011, 03:57 PM
List of entries: 25

Michael ADDAMO (bye or postponement rd 1)
David BEAUMONT
John BECKMAN
James BRENNAN
Rad CHMIEL
Ari DALE
Charlotte DILNUTT
Domagoj DRAGICEVIC
Garth FITZMAURICE (bye or postponement rd 1)
Ben FRAYLE
David GARNER (bye rd 1)
Anthony HAIN
Alex KAPLAN
Tanya KOLAK
Paul KOVACEVIC
James MORRIS (IM)
Justin PENROSE
Malcolm PYKE
Tristan RAYSON - HILL
Mirko RUJEVIC (IM)
Endre SIMON
Ian STONE
Dusan STOJIC
Sylvester URBAN
Abraham WIDJAJA

DSS
12-09-2011, 04:23 PM
Maybe you could consider Ari postponing his round 1 game as some others are doing? Also I have just learned that Mirko Rujevic is playing tonight!:) the field is getting stronger all the time!

Take care and God bless, Bereaved


Ari is having a rest now and should be fine for tonight - thanks!

Kerry Stead
12-09-2011, 05:51 PM
Count me in for this ... see you in a bit over an hour!

Carl Gorka
12-09-2011, 08:32 PM
Over 40 players (http://gorkachc.blogspot.com/2011/09/city-of-melbourne-open.html)

marcusogden
13-09-2011, 01:19 PM
Event City of Melbourne Open 2011
Site MCC
Date 2011.09.12
Round 1
White Ogden, Marcus
Black Stead, Kerry
Result 1-0
ECO A40

1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.e4 c5 4.Nf3 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Nc6 6.Nxc6 bxc6 7.Qc2 d6 8.Bd3 Nf6 9.O-O O-O 10.Nc3 Qc7 11.Bf4 e5 12.Bd2 Be6 13.Rab1 Nd7 14.Kh1 f5 15.b4 f4 16.f3 Nf6 17.Be1 g5 18.Bf2 Qd7 19.b5 c5 20.a4 g4 21.Nd5 Nh5 22.Bh4 g3 23.b6 gxh2 24.Kxh2 Qf7 25.Rh1 Rae8 26.a5 Bc8 27.Qb3 axb6 28.Qxb6 Re6 29.a6 Bxa6 30.Qxa6 Ng3 31.Bxg3 Rh6+ 32.Bh4 Rxh4+ 33.Kg1 Rxh1+ 34.Kxh1 Qe6 35.Rb7 Re8 36.Kg1 Rd8 37.Qa7 Qh6 38.Ne7+ Kh8 39.Nf5 Qh5 40.Rxg7 Rf8 41.Qe7 Ra8 42.Bf1 Rb8 43.Rf7 Qg6 44.Rf8+

Carl Gorka
15-09-2011, 09:38 AM
Round 1 results (http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=83)

Carl Gorka
16-09-2011, 10:46 PM
Games and photo's (http://gorkachc.blogspot.com/2011/09/city-of-melbourne-open_16.html)

Carl Gorka
17-09-2011, 02:14 PM
Round 2 pairings (http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=83)

Carl Gorka
18-09-2011, 10:03 PM
The round 2 pairings have been revised (http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=83)

Carl Gorka
20-09-2011, 10:51 AM
I would just like to remind people that I'm NOT arbiter, and have nothing to do with running this tournament. Any postponements required, or byes, or any other issues need to be referred to the arbiter Jack Hughes, or Grant Szuveges. I can pass messages on but no more than that :)

Bereaved
20-09-2011, 10:15 PM
Hello everyone,

http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=83

is where you will find out the Round 2 results

Take care and God Bless, Bereaved

Adamski
20-09-2011, 10:22 PM
Hello everyone,

http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=83

is where you will find out the Round 2 results

Take care and God Bless, Bereaved
I see a big upset:
1 James Morris 2327 2309 [1] 0:1 Justin Penrose 2034 1929 [1]

Congrats to Justin!

MichaelBaron
21-09-2011, 12:38 AM
And Tanya Kolak beat someone rated several hundred points above her:clap:

mikesguns
21-09-2011, 07:47 AM
And Tanya Kolak beat someone rated several hundred points above her:clap:
yes last time I checked that game she was a piece and some pawns down I think, must have been a miracle win

jhughes
21-09-2011, 07:54 PM
yes last time I checked that game she was a piece and some pawns down I think, must have been a miracle win
Or a miracle loss depending on how you look at it :P.

Lekko
22-09-2011, 12:54 PM
When's the next round pairings going to be up Jack?

Carl Gorka
22-09-2011, 12:57 PM
Round 3 pairings (http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=83)

Carl Gorka
26-09-2011, 07:15 PM
Some live commentary (http://gorkachc.blogspot.com/2011/09/city-of-melbourne-open-round-3.html)

Carl Gorka
26-09-2011, 11:04 PM
A few games already published (http://gorkachc.blogspot.com/2011/09/city-of-melbourne-open-round-3.html) :)

Carl Gorka
29-09-2011, 09:44 PM
Round 3 results and round 4 pairings have been published (http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=83)

Bereaved
04-10-2011, 01:30 AM
Hi everyone,

Round 4 results are now on the MCC page here:

http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=83

Take care and God Bless, Bereaved

that Caesar guy
06-10-2011, 09:22 PM
Result of postponed game: Morris 1-0 Dale.

Carl Gorka
07-10-2011, 02:01 PM
Round 5 pairings (http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=83)

NRMASIFD&GKFKBBK
07-10-2011, 05:02 PM
Round 5 pairings (http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=83)

When were the pairings done - today?

How is it that the MCC website states that "the game between James Morris and Ari Dale has been counted as a draw for pairings purposes", if since last evening we know that James beat Ari?

Either the draw was done earlier and there has been tardiness in posting the draw, or the draw has been done today without regard to the most recent results. Neither case is fully acceptable.

Lekko
07-10-2011, 05:09 PM
I doubt the arbiter checks this website for results, probably expects players to contact them directly.

jhughes
07-10-2011, 05:38 PM
A few things:
1. None of the explanations that have been put thus far are accurate. When I sent Carl the email James had not yet posted his result, Carl posted the pairings within a reasonable time span, but James posted the result a mere 3 hours after I had sent the pairings to Carl.
2. Secondly, to Mr./Mrs. NRMASIFD&GKFKBBK, If you are going to criticize others (namely, me and Carl) then please at least "have the balls" to reveal, and post under your actual name and identity. The fact that you are cowardly hiding behind an anonymous pen name makes it hard to take what you seriously.

that Caesar guy
07-10-2011, 06:10 PM
When you sent the email, I was playing the game...

Carl Gorka
07-10-2011, 06:14 PM
When were the pairings done - today?

How is it that the MCC website states that "the game between James Morris and Ari Dale has been counted as a draw for pairings purposes", if since last evening we know that James beat Ari?

Either the draw was done earlier and there has been tardiness in posting the draw, or the draw has been done today without regard to the most recent results. Neither case is fully acceptable.

The pairings were sent to me by the arbiter by email, which I then proceeded to publish on the website. I checked my emails about 3 minutes before publishing the pairings on the MCC website.

I suggest players who postpone their game have the decency to send the arbiter the result by sms or email or there is every chance the result will not be picked up in time for the next round, and the policy of the MCC is that postponed games will be counted as draws if not played (result not known by whoever is doing the pairings) by the time the next round pairings are produced.

Perhaps before you blame the arbiter, you should ask whether he was even aware that the game was going ahead last night. The last I heard, he was desperately trying to contact at least one of the players to try to help them arrange the game, without success. If he knew the game was going ahead, then I'm sure he would have tried to find out the result from one or other of the players. I'm guessing the players arranged between themselves when to play without notifying the arbiter or without directly telling him the result.

NRMASIFD&GKFKBBK
07-10-2011, 07:00 PM
A few things:
1. None of the explanations that have been put thus far are accurate. When I sent Carl the email James had not yet posted his result, Carl posted the pairings within a reasonable time span, but James posted the result a mere 3 hours after I had sent the pairings to Carl.

Let's be clear on this:

- you had the draw done (or caused it to be done) and sent the draw to Carl in an email before James posted his result. OK, fine.

- You then assert that Carl posted the pairings within a reasonable time span. With respect, I disagree. Almost a full day elapsed in which time the game in question was completed and the result posted. You say so yourself - James posted the result a mere 3 hours after you sent the email, meaning you sent it around 6:30pm yesterday.

Further to my previous post, don't you think it embarrasing to have a situation where the result is known, but not accounted for?




2. Secondly, to Mr./Mrs. NRMASIFD&GKFKBBK, If you are going to criticize others (namely, me and Carl) then please at least "have the balls" to reveal, and post under your actual name and identity. The fact that you are cowardly hiding behind an anonymous pen name makes it hard to take what you seriously.

I've already made my position clear on this, when addressing Grant's insistence that posters ought to post under their own names: I disagree becasue being able to post anonymously means I can do so without fear of reprisals.

Of course, there is always a danger that allowing anonymous posting allows trolling. But to me, that is unimportant because what matters is not the person posting the criticism, but the substance of the criticism. And I would like to think that my criticism is constructive in that it will lead to people to consider how to improve their practices.

So no, I will not rise to your rquest to "have some balls" because being macho about all this is pointless. Take my criticism or leave them.

NRMASIFD&GKFKBBK
07-10-2011, 07:09 PM
The pairings were sent to me by the arbiter by email, which I then proceeded to publish on the website. I checked my emails about 3 minutes before publishing the pairings on the MCC website.

I suggest players who postpone their game have the decency to send the arbiter the result by sms or email or there is every chance the result will not be picked up in time for the next round, and the policy of the MCC is that postponed games will be counted as draws if not played (result not known by whoever is doing the pairings) by the time the next round pairings are produced.

Perhaps before you blame the arbiter, you should ask whether he was even aware that the game was going ahead last night. The last I heard, he was desperately trying to contact at least one of the players to try to help them arrange the game, without success. If he knew the game was going ahead, then I'm sure he would have tried to find out the result from one or other of the players. I'm guessing the players arranged between themselves when to play without notifying the arbiter or without directly telling him the result.

I agree that the players ought to have the decency of advising the arbiter of the fact that they were playing and what the result of the game was. But this raises further questions of practice regarding the role of the arbiter/DOP:

- who was arbiting the Morris-Dale game if the official arbiter was unaware of the game?
- why was the result of the game not conveyed to the arbiter by either the players or the person in charge on the night of arbiting the game?

Also, I don't think the fact that you Carl were the posting the draw, despite the fact that you have no official role in organising or arbiting the tournament, is ideal. Ideally, the person doing the draw (or causing it to be done) - i.e. the arbiter - should be the one posting the draw. And, in my opinion, such posting should be done in a manner so that it is done on accurate information and in a timely manner.

I should also add that it may help players if they were informed of the arbiter's contact details. I do not see any contact details for Jack Hughes in this thread despite the fact he is the official arbiter.

ER
07-10-2011, 08:36 PM
... I've already made my position clear on this, when addressing Grant's insistence that posters ought to post under their own names: I disagree becasue being able to post anonymously means I can do so without fear of reprisals.

Reprisals for trolls could be even harsher when their real identities are revealed!

jhughes
07-10-2011, 10:13 PM
I've already made my position clear on this, when addressing Grant's insistence that posters ought to post under their own names: I disagree becasue being able to post anonymously means I can do so without fear of reprisals.

Of course, there is always a danger that allowing anonymous posting allows trolling. But to me, that is unimportant because what matters is not the person posting the criticism, but the substance of the criticism. And I would like to think that my criticism is constructive in that it will lead to people to consider how to improve their practices.

So no, I will not rise to your rquest to "have some balls" because being macho about all this is pointless. Take my criticism or leave them.
The fact that you hide your identity under an anonymous alias implies that you are not taking any responsibility for what you have said on Chesschat. Chesschat is a rare and fortunate online forum where many people actually know each other and post under their real names, or aliases so well known that they may as well be. Anonymity however ruins this. Imagine if, at a chess tournament, a well-known player came wearing clothing that made their identity anonymous to all the players there. The player would be able to do whatever they like without taking any further consequences, because no one would no whom they were. It is a similar thing we have here on Chesschat, by using an anonymous username you are refusing to take responsibility for your actions and will be able to get away with whatever you do on this forum.

Carl Gorka
07-10-2011, 10:57 PM
I agree that the players ought to have the decency of advising the arbiter of the fact that they were playing and what the result of the game was. But this raises further questions of practice regarding the role of the arbiter/DOP:

- who was arbiting the Morris-Dale game if the official arbiter was unaware of the game?
- why was the result of the game not conveyed to the arbiter by either the players or the person in charge on the night of arbiting the game?

Also, I don't think the fact that you Carl were the posting the draw, despite the fact that you have no official role in organising or arbiting the tournament, is ideal. Ideally, the person doing the draw (or causing it to be done) - i.e. the arbiter - should be the one posting the draw. And, in my opinion, such posting should be done in a manner so that it is done on accurate information and in a timely manner.

I should also add that it may help players if they were informed of the arbiter's contact details. I do not see any contact details for Jack Hughes in this thread despite the fact he is the official arbiter.

The DOP of the tournament is Grant Szuveges, his contact details are plastered all over the MCC website (http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php). As for the arbiter divulging his personal details online when he is a minor I would suggest is dubious practice, though if Jack and his parents have no objection, then that is their choice.

You are correct. Things aren't ideal, but they are being done as best as we can do them. The procedure of posting the draw is the same now as it was for the MCC Championship when Peter Tsai was not given access to the MCC website. The MCC committee is very selective over whom it allows access to it's website. I am the person who has taken on the role of posting the pairings though I have nothing to do with the tournament otherwise. It would not have been my choice, but that's the way it is.

Try contacting Grant by email if you want official answers :)

NRMASIFD&GKFKBBK
08-10-2011, 07:23 PM
The fact that you hide your identity under an anonymous alias implies that you are not taking any responsibility for what you have said on Chesschat. Chesschat is a rare and fortunate online forum where many people actually know each other and post under their real names, or aliases so well known that they may as well be. Anonymity however ruins this. Imagine if, at a chess tournament, a well-known player came wearing clothing that made their identity anonymous to all the players there. The player would be able to do whatever they like without taking any further consequences, because no one would no whom they were. It is a similar thing we have here on Chesschat, by using an anonymous username you are refusing to take responsibility for your actions and will be able to get away with whatever you do on this forum.

This will my last statement on this particular topic in this thread - the issue has already hijacked this thread enough. All I will say is that:

- We clearly disagree on what is the proper function of an internet chat forums and on what are the responsibilities of people who post on such forums.

- I find your analogy nonsensical and inapt.

NRMASIFD&GKFKBBK
08-10-2011, 07:39 PM
The DOP of the tournament is Grant Szuveges, his contact details are plastered all over the MCC website (http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php). As for the arbiter divulging his personal details online when he is a minor I would suggest is dubious practice, though if Jack and his parents have no objection, then that is their choice.

You are correct. Things aren't ideal, but they are being done as best as we can do them. The procedure of posting the draw is the same now as it was for the MCC Championship when Peter Tsai was not given access to the MCC website. The MCC committee is very selective over whom it allows access to it's website. I am the person who has taken on the role of posting the pairings though I have nothing to do with the tournament otherwise. It would not have been my choice, but that's the way it is.

Try contacting Grant by email if you want official answers :)

Thank you for clarifying that Grant is the DOP for the tournament. Actually, this was not expressly stated in the thread or on the MCC website (although I do note that in your previous post #29, you refer players to Grant as being able to deal with postponements, byes, etc).

It is problematic if on the one hand we expect players, in certain circumstances, to get in touch with the arbiter and yet, on the other hand, we do not provide adequate means for the players to make such contact.

In the spirit of constructive criticism, may I suggest that instead of the publicised contact details of the DOP/arbiter be solely his or her personal contact details, that the club also set up something like a dedicated email address for the the DOP/arbiter? Something like arbiter@melbournechessclub.org (or alternatively, MCC-arbiter@gmail.com if a webmail server is preferable).

I note that website already has several dedicated email addresses for people wishing to receive information about the club or wishing to contact the committee. So it makes sense for something similar be set up for the DOP/arbiter. Also, you never know when your DOP/arbiter may be hit by a bus - by setting up such an email account the club increases the likelihood that players can contact anyone the club has authorised to exercise arbiter/DOP functions.

jhughes
08-10-2011, 08:07 PM
This will my last statement on this particular topic in this thread - the issue has already hijacked this thread enough. All I will say is that:

- We clearly disagree on what is the proper function of an internet chat forums and on what are the responsibilities of people who post on such forums.

- I find your analogy nonsensical and inapt.
I see, rather than giving a reasoned response to my argument, you simply state that you disagree, and then that my analogy is flawed, whoop de doo.

Kevin Bonham
09-10-2011, 07:53 AM
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Lekko
13-10-2011, 04:59 PM
I'll take this time to point out that every Monday night event has DGT board coverage, as well as other games being uploaded as they finish.

You can view 5 games from this Monday night on the MCC website (http://melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=114) and clicking "Live games" in the navigation panel on the left side of your screen. Usually as the night progresses, and once my game finishes, more games will be uploaded.

Bereaved
14-10-2011, 12:27 PM
Hi everyone, the round 5 results and some of the other particulars like the crosstable have been posted at the Melbourne Chess Club website:

http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=83

Take care and God Bless, Bereaved

Lekko
14-10-2011, 01:23 PM
in the pairings posted for round 5:
9 Garth Fitzmaurice 1806 [2.5] : Frank Lekkas 1941 [2.5]

in the results:
9 Frank Lekkas 1929 1941 [2.5] 1:0 Garth Fitzmaurice 1879 1806 [2.5]

What's with the change of colours?

Bereaved
14-10-2011, 01:32 PM
in the pairings posted for round 5:
9 Garth Fitzmaurice 1806 [2.5] : Frank Lekkas 1941 [2.5]

in the results:
9 Frank Lekkas 1929 1941 [2.5] 1:0 Garth Fitzmaurice 1879 1806 [2.5]

What's with the change of colours?

was just the way the results were read to me, so I presumed the colours were as told....will edit it for correctness, sorry, Frank,

Take care and God bless, Bereaved

marcusogden
14-10-2011, 04:20 PM
> Hi everyone, here are the results of Round 5 that I am aware of, though I am sure that someone must be aware of the result on Board 17

It was Bekker 1 : Kovacevic 0

DogLover
15-10-2011, 08:22 AM
I just want to mention that I thought Dean Hogg played a brilliant game against James Morris last round to get the draw.The game was great to watch and full of tactics.:eek:

that Caesar guy
15-10-2011, 09:43 AM
I just want to mention that I thought Dean Hogg played a brilliant game against James Morris last round to get the draw.The game was great to watch and full of tactics.:eek:
Yeah he did, he made a mistake in the Grunfeld, but didn't sit back and accept it: instead, he found the best way to complicate the position, and then calculated very well through the mess, I made a slight inaccuracy (the 9 move combination I planned, I realised didn't work ;( lol) and it became madness, I sacrificed a whole queen but he didn't fall for it, and a mad perpetual check was the justified result. My opponents have played a fair way above their rating so far this tournament: not only Dean, but Justin played a sensational game against me, with only 2 non-computer moves :eek:. Ari also played very well, until I got a cheapo in :P.

Carl Gorka
15-10-2011, 12:02 PM
Round 6 pairings (http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=83)

Z&MLoh
23-10-2011, 07:44 AM
Any chance the Round 7 pairings will be published today? The game is scheduled for tomorrow.

Bereaved
23-10-2011, 04:15 PM
Hello everyone,

the results and pairings have been published on the MCC webpage at:

http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=83

Take care and God Bless, Bereaved

Bereaved
25-10-2011, 10:40 PM
Hello everyone,
the round 7 results have now been posted on the MCC webpage:

http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=83

Take care and God Bless, Bereaved

Carl Gorka
31-10-2011, 09:55 PM
Round 8 pairings (http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=83)

Carl Gorka
09-11-2011, 09:10 PM
Round 8 results, round 9 pairings and current standings (http://www.melbournechessclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=44&Itemid=83)

Kerry Stead
09-11-2011, 09:42 PM
What happened to Anthony Hain??
He recieved the bye last week (apparently on 2.5/7) & now he has 4.5/8!
How is this possible?? If he had a postponement (which I think may have been the case as there was no result in a game between him & Damien Feaine), then shouldn't he have been given the 'assumed' result of a draw & paired last round as though on 3/7 (and presumably not getting the bye)?

Of course there could be a logical explanation (such as the scores being incorrect - I notice a crosstable has him losing to John Beckman, but the individual results show the game as a draw) ...

Grant Szuveges
21-11-2011, 05:38 PM
Hi Everyone

Prizemoney for this has finally been confirmed. The treasurer got it done weeks ago and sent it to someone who was meant to pass it on. For whatever reason it didnt get done and the MCC apologizes for this. Here are the prizes:

1st: $350
2nd: $250
3rd: $150
4th: $100

Rating group A: 1st $70
Rating group A: 2nd $30

Rating group B: 1st $70
Rating group B: 2nd $30

Best Junior: $50 book voucher from the MCC bookshop

Cheers, Grant

kibitzer
22-11-2011, 10:35 AM
Are all the games finished for this one?

ER
22-11-2011, 07:29 PM
I think there is one postponed game left, but you better ask the organisers!

Bill Gletsos
30-11-2011, 08:36 PM
This has not been submitted for rating.
If you want it rated in the December list submit it ASAP.

mikesguns
30-11-2011, 09:41 PM
This has not been submitted for rating.
If you want it rated in the December list submit it ASAP.
I think there is still one game outstanding.

Bill Gletsos
30-11-2011, 10:08 PM
I think there is still one game outstanding.Yes but not submitting it given the last round has been played penalises all the other players.
As such it should be submitted with the missing result.

Lekko
30-11-2011, 10:21 PM
Yes but not submitting it given the last round has been played penalises all the other players.
As such it should be submitted with the missing result.
What would happen to the outstanding game's result, would it be done in the next rating list?

Bill Gletsos
30-11-2011, 10:46 PM
What would happen to the outstanding game's result, would it be done in the next rating list?No, I would just rerun the December rating period with the result added.

kibitzer
01-12-2011, 08:38 AM
Is this tourney going to be in the March Ratings then?

ER
01-12-2011, 11:26 AM
Is this tourney going to be in the March Ratings then?

I think (not sure though) that the question is answered here:


No, I would just rerun the December rating period with the result added.

Grant Szuveges
01-12-2011, 04:41 PM
The event will be rated in the December rating list. All results have now been given to Bill Gletzos (except the unplayed game which will be added in later).

zurich53
01-12-2011, 05:24 PM
the VIc teams division 2 results also seem to have missed out in the rating list - can they still be processed??

Bill Gletsos
01-12-2011, 08:49 PM
The event will be rated in the December rating list. All results have now been given to Bill Gletzos (except the unplayed game which will be added in later).Unfortunately the SP files do not have the players imported from the ACF master file. As such there are no player id numbers allocated.
This simply adds unnecessray extra work for the state rating officer.

Bill Gletsos
01-12-2011, 08:50 PM
the VIc teams division 2 results also seem to have missed out in the rating list - can they still be processed??It along with the City of Melbourne Open is with the CV rating officer.

Malfegor01
01-12-2011, 08:50 PM
the VIc teams division 2 results also seem to have missed out in the rating list - can they still be processed??
Somone would have to submit it for that to happen :whistle:

Bill Gletsos
01-12-2011, 11:10 PM
December ratings have been updated.

UrBANE
20-12-2011, 10:59 PM
December ratings have been updated.

Urban defeated Rujevic!! True story.

that Caesar guy
20-12-2011, 11:08 PM
Urban defeated Rujevic!! True story.
Congratulations :clap:

Lekko
20-12-2011, 11:41 PM
Urban defeated Rujevic!! True story.
Rujevic 0-1 Urban!! Cool story.*

And just in time for fide ratings

that Caesar guy
20-12-2011, 11:41 PM
Rujevic 1-0 Urban!! Cool story.*

And just in time for fide ratings
What...he lied to us...I'm devastated :/

Lekko
20-12-2011, 11:43 PM
What...he lied to us...I'm devastated :/
You're seeing things lil jimmy :P

that Caesar guy
20-12-2011, 11:47 PM
You're seeing things lil jimmy :P
Nice edit there Lekko...I saw what you did there

Bereaved
21-12-2011, 12:10 AM
Do we have a full list of Round 9 results anywhere?

Take care and God Bless, Bereaved

Lekko
21-12-2011, 12:16 AM
Something like that


1 Mirko Rujevic 2293 [7] 0:1 Sylvester Urban 2038 [5.5]

2 Frank Lekkas 1941 [5.5] D:D Domagoj Dragicevic 2228 [7]

3 Dusan Stojic 2278 [6] 1:0 David Beaumont 1972 [5.5]

4 Justin Penrose 1929 [5.5] : Malcolm L Pyke 2128 [5]

5 Kerry Stead 1969 [5] 0:1 James Morris 2309 [5]

6 Ari Dale 1922 [5] 0:1 Dean Hogg 1933 [5]

7 Anthony Hain 1747 [4.5] 0:1 John Dowling 1976 [4.5]

8 Shaun Hose 1803 [4.5] 0:1 Thai Ly 1948 [4.5]

9 Gary D Bekker 1599 [4.5] 0:1 Peter Wolf 1842 [4.5]

10 Alex Kaplan 1529 [4.5] : Jim Papadinis 1785 [4]

11 Michael Addamo 1909 [4] 0:1 Peter Fry 1786 [4]

12 Garth Fitzmaurice 1806 [4] : Richard Voon 1847 [4]

13 Zachary Loh 1766 [4] : Paul Kovacevic 1752 [3.5]

14 Rad Chmiel 1733 [3.5] 1:0 Ruben Nowak 1190 [2.5]

15 Roger McCart 1508 [3.5] : James Martin 1706 [3.5]

16 John Beckman 1638 [3] : Marcus W Ogden 1602 [3.5]

17 Richard McCart 1753 [3] : Tanya Kolak 1266 [3]

18 Abraham Widjaja [2.5] : Ben Frayle 1341 [2.5]

19 James Brennan 837 [1] : Damien Feaine [2]

UrBANE
24-12-2011, 03:59 PM
Could someone please post the final standings?

antichrist
24-12-2011, 04:46 PM
Congrats to FG7 for drawing with Dusan 2278

kibitzer
24-12-2011, 05:29 PM
Penrose defeated Pyke.

Kevin Bonham
24-12-2011, 06:54 PM
Congrats to FG7 for drawing with Dusan 2278

Wrong, try reading it again.

antichrist
24-12-2011, 07:13 PM
Wrong, try reading it again.

if I was in a corro game I would delete and repost and hoped nobody seen it

Lekko
24-12-2011, 08:07 PM
if I was in a corro game I would delete and repost and hoped nobody seen it
You should have edited it to "Congrats to Lekko for drawing with Domagoj Dragicevic (2228)", much more believable ;)

Lekko
26-12-2011, 06:04 PM
Any news on the prizes/placings?

UrBANE
04-01-2012, 10:01 AM
Any news on the prizes/placings?

Let's wrap this tournament up guys! Please post standings/prizes

UrBANE
13-01-2012, 08:12 AM
Let's wrap this tournament up guys! Please post standings/prizes

I can't help but express my frustration about the fact that no standings have been posted and no prize money has been given out.

Lekko
13-01-2012, 01:10 PM
I can't help but express my frustration about the fact that no standings have been posted and no prize money has been given out.
That's one less souvlaki I could have bought... :(

I blame you Sylvester.

DogLover
13-01-2012, 02:16 PM
Is there a FIDE law that applies to this situation? Which I think is that a remaining game has still not been played for 6 months after the tournament was supposed to finish.

UrBANE
13-01-2012, 02:48 PM
Is there a FIDE law that applies to this situation? Which I think is that a remaining game has still not been played for 6 months after the tournament was supposed to finish.

The last game was played four weeks ago.

MichaelBaron
14-01-2012, 09:40 PM
With allegro first prize being $30 today despite having 16 players. 2011 prizes might be worth waiting for:hmm:

Lekko
15-01-2012, 07:21 AM
With allegro first prize being $30 today despite having 16 players. 2011 prizes might be worth waiting for:hmm:
$30? Its supposed to be $40 guaranteed sponsorship from the gypsy bar isn't it?

MichaelBaron
15-01-2012, 09:20 AM
$30? Its supposed to be $40 guaranteed sponsorship from the gypsy bar isn't it?
Frank, its not guaranteed anymore! Sponsorship is gone and the way prize distribution goes - Things look quite pessimistically

UrBANE
24-01-2012, 07:19 AM
Another day, another no results

DogLover
24-01-2012, 11:28 AM
I'm sure that no one has noticed that I have not played in any MCC tournaments since this one.That's the way it will stay until this one is completed.

Bill Gletsos
24-01-2012, 02:12 PM
Since no one from MCC is seemingly going to reply, here is what was ACF rated.


No Name Loc Id Loc Total 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

1 Dragicevic, Domagoj 3101710 2228 7.5 29:W 16:W 9:W 3:L 4:W 6:W 10:W 2:W 8:D
2 Rujevic, Mirko 3084140 2293 7 23:W 13:W 10:W 4:W 12:W 3:W 9:W 1:L 5:L
3 Stojic, Dusan 1281421 2278 7 30:W 39:D 27:W 1:W 15:W 2:L 14:W 5:D 9:W
4 Penrose, Justin 5202487 1929 6.5 24:W 6:W 5:W 2:L 1:L 11:W 7:W 9:D 12:W
5 Urban, Sylvester 3247020 2038 6.5 20:W 14:W 4:L 16:W 9:L 8:W 13:W 3:D 2:W
6 Morris, James 3114724 2309 6 22:W 4:L 18:W 13:W 7:D 1:L 26:D 27:W 19:W
7 Hogg, Dean 3093306 1961 6 0:D 42:W 26:W 12:L 6:D 16:W 4:L 10:W 13:W
8 Lekkas, Frank 3136752 1941 6 17:L 28:W 20:D 30:W 26:W 5:L 15:W 14:W 1:D
9 Beaumont, David 3096224 1972 5.5 28:W 31:W 1:L 32:W 5:W 19:W 2:L 4:D 3:L
10 Dowling, John 3138760 1976 5.5 33:W 18:W 2:L 11:W 14:D 15:W 1:L 7:L 25:W
11 Wolf, Peter 3104304 1842 5.5 38:W 12:L 36:W 10:L 33:W 4:L 17:D 31:W 21:W
12 Pyke, Malcolm L 3097031 2128 5 25:W 11:W 15:D 7:W 2:L 14:L 23:W 19:D 4:L
13 Dale, Ari 3134593 1922 5 37:W 2:L 31:W 6:L 40:+ 18:W 5:L 16:W 7:L
14 Hose, Shaun 3120574 1803 5 41:W 5:L 34:W 39:W 10:D 12:W 3:L 8:L 15:D
15 Ly, Thai 3115085 1948 5 21:W 32:W 12:D 40:W 3:L 10:L 8:L 26:W 14:D
16 Voon, Richard 3032292 1847 5 35:W 1:L 17:W 5:L 20:W 7:L 30:W 13:L 26:W
17 Kaplan, Alex 3077814 1529 5 8:W 40:L 16:L 18:L 41:W 32:W 11:D 29:W 22:D
18 Fry, Peter 3074911 1786 5 34:W 10:L 6:L 17:W 31:W 13:L 20:D 23:D 27:W
19 Stead, Kerry 2050690 1969 5 31:L 33:W 23:W 0:D 27:W 9:L 21:W 12:D 6:L
20 Chmiel, Rad 3107863 1733 4.5 5:L 41:W 8:D 29:W 16:L 27:D 18:D 21:L 35:W
21 Bekker, Gary D 3088653 1599 4.5 15:L 22:D 30:L 42:+ 29:W 33:W 19:L 20:W 11:L
22 Papadinis, Jim 3076543 1785 4.5 6:L 21:D 24:L 28:W 25:W 0:D 27:L 30:W 17:D
23 Loh, Zachary 3129660 1766 4.5 2:L 37:W 19:L 36:W 32:W 0:D 12:L 18:D 29:D
24 McCart, Roger 1194316 1508 4.5 4:L 30:D 22:W 27:L 39:L 38:W 29:L 37:W 33:W
25 Hain, Anthony 3138992 1747 4.5 12:L 36:L 28:D 38:W 22:L 41:W 34:W 0:W 10:L
26 Fitzmaurice, Garth 3141674 1806 4 0:D 0:W 7:L 35:W 8:L 39:W 6:D 15:L 16:L
27 Addamo, Michael 3121282 1909 4 0:D 0:W 3:L 24:W 19:L 20:D 22:W 6:L 18:L
28 Beckman, John 3070932 1638 4 9:L 8:L 25:D 22:L 0:W 29:L 35:D 41:+ 31:W
29 Kovacevic, Paul 3103206 1752 4 1:L 35:D 38:W 20:L 21:L 28:W 24:W 17:L 23:D
30 McCart, Richard 3074200 1753 3.5 3:L 24:D 21:W 8:L 35:D 37:D 16:L 22:L 36:W
31 Ogden, Marcus W 3098114 1602 3.5 19:W 9:L 13:L 34:W 18:L 35:D 37:W 11:L 28:L
32 Widjaja, Abraham 3142536 3.5 0:W 15:L 0:W 9:L 23:L 17:L 33:D 36:L 37:W
33 Martin, James 5205202 1706 3.5 10:L 19:L 37:W 41:+ 11:L 21:L 32:D 38:W 24:L
34 Feaine, Damien 3138970 3.5 18:L 0:W 14:L 31:L 38:L 36:W 25:L 35:D 41:+
35 Nowak, Ruben 3127464 1190 3.5 16:L 29:D 42:W 26:L 30:D 31:D 28:D 34:D 20:L
36 Kolak, Tanya 3140543 1266 3 39:L 25:W 11:L 23:L 37:L 34:L 0:W 32:W 30:L
37 Frayle, Ben 3098011 1341 2.5 13:L 23:L 33:L 0:W 36:W 30:D 31:L 24:L 32:L
38 Dilnutt, Charlotte 3133495 1010 2.5 11:L 0:D 29:L 25:L 34:W 24:L 41:W 33:L 0:
39 Plaganyi, Gyula 6253504 1921 2.5 36:W 3:D 40:L 14:L 24:W 26:L 0: 0: 0:
40 Garner, David J 3135315 2100 2.5 0:D 17:W 39:W 15:L 13:- 0: 0: 0: 0:
41 Brennan, James 3134302 837 1 14:L 20:L 0:W 33:- 17:L 25:L 38:L 28:- 34:-
42 Beattie, Roger 3096106 1647 .5 0:D 7:L 35:L 21:- 0: 0: 0: 0: 0:

Grant Szuveges
30-01-2012, 08:39 AM
Hi Everyone, sorry about the long delay on this (due to numerous in-house issues). Anyway, here are the prizes - cheques have been sent out in the mail.


1st Domagoj Dragacevic - $350
=2nd Dusan Stojic
Mirko Rujevic - $200 each
=4th Sylvester Urban
Justin Penrose - $50 each


1st Rating
$70 Peter Wolf
$7.50 each - (NB these have not been mailed out, if players can collect from the club)
Ari Dale
Shaun Hose
Richard Voon
Peter Fry


2nd Rating
$70 Alex Kaplan
$15 Gary Bekker
Roger McCart

Lekko
30-01-2012, 11:43 AM
That's a bit of a surprise, me and Dean were under the impression we were in rating group 1. Wasn't it u2000?

Grant Szuveges
30-01-2012, 12:19 PM
That's a bit of a surprise, me and Dean were under the impression we were in rating group 1. Wasn't it u2000?

I have absolutely no idea

MichaelBaron
30-01-2012, 12:34 PM
Btw, Grant no need to mail my Aus Day prize money to me. I can pick it up myself next Saturday. Cash is fine too :)

Grant Szuveges
30-01-2012, 03:55 PM
Btw, Grant no need to mail my Aus Day prize money to me. I can pick it up myself next Saturday. Cash is fine too :)

Havnt you been given it yet???

ASaint
31-01-2012, 10:18 PM
I have absolutely no idea

Hi All,

I've reactivated my account after a 8 year break - might come in handy to resolve these queries.

If the field was divided into thirds (ie 3 groups of 14 in sorted rating order), the A group was U/1920 from memory, B group was 1700ish. The prizes were only ever guaranteed as A & B before the event - to be determined based on the field and distribution of ratings.

Cheers,
Andrew

ASaint
31-01-2012, 10:26 PM
Frank, its not guaranteed anymore! Sponsorship is gone and the way prize distribution goes - Things look quite pessimistically

Hi All,

Prizes, as ratified by the committee, are 80% of taking for the allegro. Given the sponsorship has disappeared, I also include the non-member increment payment which really should be a club fee. This my my knowledge is very high for prizes percentage.

If anyone can find the club sponsorship again for this event, we would be more than happy for your assistance and can put this toward a higher prize pool.

Given the increase in entries to $10/$7 for adult/junior entrants, the prizes will naturally increase.

The specific event Michael mentions was so low, a the Junior Championships was on at the time. As explained to the entrants and Michael, the juniors were promised during the event if they had entered the Championships they would be eligible for free Allegros, which meant that no money was received on that day by the several junior entrants. As well, the entry fees were the lower 2011 numbers.

Michael was the proud winner of the MCC promotion Allegro at the Junior Championships - $200 - certainly a handsome prize - well done.

As a matter of reference, prizes at last Saturday's Allegro were $60, $40, $25 and $20 $10 $5 for first rating - this was with approx 14 players. This is the highest standard event first prize in all my time at MCC.

Cheers,
Andrew

Lekko
31-01-2012, 10:29 PM
Hi All,

I've reactivated my account after a 8 year break - might come in handy to resolve these queries.

If the field was divided into thirds (ie 3 groups of 14 in sorted rating order), the A group was U/1920 from memory, B group was 1700ish. The prizes were only ever guaranteed as A & B before the event - to be determined based on the field and distribution of ratings.

Cheers,
Andrew
During the event Jack had the list of prizes and rating groups somewhere (can't remember where) and Dean Hogg and myself were happy to see we were in the A group rather than the open. We were discussing the prize situation after our final round game (we assumed Penrose if he won would take first and us =2nd).

ASaint
31-01-2012, 10:42 PM
Another day, another no results

Hi All,

It must be noted that:
a) The committee is aware of opportunities with our procedures for our events and closure, and this is being assisted by an arbiter than can be at the events 100% of the time, and has the time to close off the event in a timely manner.

b) The prizes did take 3-4 week to come out post my receiving the results in late December(albeit not a final standing so Bill's post was very helpful).

It must be noted that some of the committee was involved with the Junior Championships (including myself), and personally I spent a week finalising the accounts for the AGM (pulled ahead of schedule) in preparation for auditing.

Essentially, this comes down to a resourcing issue, as I am 70 hrs a week at a corporate management job and can physically spend no more time above the basics of banking monies, paying bills etc in some weeks. Other weeks I have time to set prize pools, work out prizes, write cheques, mail out, and do the bookkeeping. Unfortunately, our assistant treasurer has not had any time to help me in the last year.

Whilst the club is always glad to receive ideas to improve, I have more respect for those that provide constructive criticism, and are also willing to help. If you can even save 5 hours a year from my job that is probably 150 hrs a year, it would be helpful, and would contribute to making MCC a better club. Please feel free to email myself (standrew@hotmail.com) or Grant if you would like to volunteer.

Lets be on the same page and work together to make the MCC a better place - if you have a legitimate financial related question or issue please feel free to email me rather than airing it out in front of everyone on the forums.

Thanks for your assistance,
Andrew
Mcc Treasurer

ASaint
31-01-2012, 10:49 PM
During the event Jack had the list of prizes and rating groups somewhere (can't remember where) and Dean Hogg and myself were happy to see we were in the A group rather than the open. We were discussing the prize situation after our final round game (we assumed Penrose if he won would take first and us =2nd).

Hi Frank,
My apologies, I havn't seen that list apart from my email to Jack / Grant that there would be A group and B group prizes.

All I can think is that someone else has calculated it incorrectly (more than happy for you to sort the field and see if I made an error).

You raise a good point that we should announce what the A and B groups are once the late entries have come in (say start round 3) so everyone can check in the final rounds how they are going. Knowing Kerry I am sure he would be happy to help me out here :lol:

Thanks,
Andrew

DogLover
31-01-2012, 11:12 PM
Thanks to all the people concerned for working to sort this out.My prize money (I don't feel that I deserve it) will be going straight back into MCC anyway.I do remember the conversation that Frank mentioned.

MichaelBaron
01-02-2012, 09:29 AM
As a matter of reference, prizes at last Saturday's Allegro were $60, $40, $25 and $20 $10 $5 for first rating - this was with approx 14 players. This is the highest standard event first prize in all my time at MCC.

Cheers,
Andrew
Well Done!:clap:

MichaelBaron
01-02-2012, 09:37 AM
Havnt you been given it yet???

I have not got it but this is not because the club was not able to ''pay me off'' but because I HAD TO RUN OFF STRAIGHT AFTER MY GAME WAS FINISHED AND DID NOT WAIT FOR PRIZEGIVING. Therefore, it was actually me who was not nice by not waiting for the official tournament closure. I am very sure that my money was ready for collection on the night. Please do not view my message above as a sign of the club being inefficient. It is just that I was not able to collect it on the day, due to my failure to wait! The only reason I've posted the message is simply to confirm when/how the money will be collected! The club has done the great job running the tournament in the tough weather condition and deserves to be congratulated on it!:clap:

Paul Cavezza
01-02-2012, 10:14 AM
Hi All,

It must be noted that:
a) The committee is aware of opportunities with our procedures for our events and closure, and this is being assisted by an arbiter than can be at the events 100% of the time, and has the time to close off the event in a timely manner.

b) The prizes did take 3-4 week to come out post my receiving the results in late December(albeit not a final standing so Bill's post was very helpful).

It must be noted that some of the committee was involved with the Junior Championships (including myself), and personally I spent a week finalising the accounts for the AGM (pulled ahead of schedule) in preparation for auditing.

Essentially, this comes down to a resourcing issue, as I am 70 hrs a week at a corporate management job and can physically spend no more time above the basics of banking monies, paying bills etc in some weeks. Other weeks I have time to set prize pools, work out prizes, write cheques, mail out, and do the bookkeeping. Unfortunately, our assistant treasurer has not had any time to help me in the last year.

Whilst the club is always glad to receive ideas to improve, I have more respect for those that provide constructive criticism, and are also willing to help. If you can even save 5 hours a year from my job that is probably 150 hrs a year, it would be helpful, and would contribute to making MCC a better club. Please feel free to email myself (standrew@hotmail.com) or Grant if you would like to volunteer.

Lets be on the same page and work together to make the MCC a better place - if you have a legitimate financial related question or issue please feel free to email me rather than airing it out in front of everyone on the forums.

Thanks for your assistance,
Andrew
Mcc Treasurer

Seconded. Everyone plays at the MCC off the back of volunteer's hard work. Get involved, support your club.