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Garrett
05-06-2011, 10:44 AM
There is probably a better spot for this but ....

http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/player-caught-cheating-at-german-championship/

Garvinator
05-06-2011, 12:39 PM
There is probably a better spot for this but ....

http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/player-caught-cheating-at-german-championship/Yes, the thread about allowing phones at Ballarat. This is exactly why it can not occur.

ER
06-06-2011, 05:11 AM
Another (very infuriating) incident re using electronic devices to win chess games occurred in Germany this time. The cheating took place during the national championship of this country!

Here is the report from Chessbase!

Player disqualified for cheating

The German Championship was marred by the disqualification of the 23-year-old FM Christoph Natsidis from Bannewitz, Germany, when he was caught consulting a chess program on his cell phone (which to the amusement of Stephen Fry Germans call a handy). Natsidis admitted he had cheated and was disqualified from the tournament, which meant that the IM norm he had scored before the final round was rendered invalid.


Before the final round Natsidis had won two games (against Christoph Zill and Hans-Joachim Vatter) and drawn six (against Daniel Fridman, Alexsandar Dranov, Christian Seel, Raj Tischbierek, Oswald Gschnitzer and Igor Khenkin). If he lost the final round against GM Sebastian Siebrecht he would still have scored an IM norm.

During the fatal game Natsidis kept disappearing from the board, even when it was his move, for up to ten minutes. His opponent Siebrecht complained to the arbiter, and the two followed him to the toilet, where he had locked himself in a stall. Siebrecht, who had a very tricky position, decided to offer Natsidis a draw, which his opponent accepted. After this he was searched by the arbiter, who found a smart phone in his pocket. It had a chess program installed and the program was displaying the position five minutes before the end of the game against Siebrecht.

Natsidis ( a Law student according to the caption under the player's photo on Chessbase) went to Siebrecht, admitted that he had been using his cell phone to cheat and apologised to his opponent. The incident will have serious consequences, which will be decided in the coming weeks.

Rincewind
06-06-2011, 09:08 AM
This was already mentioned in the GM Feller thread and I have moved the two posts from there to the new thread.

antichrist
06-06-2011, 10:40 AM
Another (very infuriating) incident re using electronic devices to win chess games occurred in Germany this time. The cheating took place during the national championship of this country!

Here is the report from Chessbase!

Player disqualified for cheating

The German Championship was marred by the disqualification of the 23-year-old FM Christoph Natsidis from Bannewitz, Germany, when he was caught consulting a chess program on his cell phone (which to the amusement of Stephen Fry Germans call a handy). Natsidis admitted he had cheated and was disqualified from the tournament, which meant that the IM norm he had scored before the final round was rendered invalid.


Before the final round Natsidis had won two games (against Christoph Zill and Hans-Joachim Vatter) and drawn six (against Daniel Fridman, Alexsandar Dranov, Christian Seel, Raj Tischbierek, Oswald Gschnitzer and Igor Khenkin). If he lost the final round against GM Sebastian Siebrecht he would still have scored an IM norm.

During the fatal game Natsidis kept disappearing from the board, even when it was his move, for up to ten minutes. His opponent Siebrecht complained to the arbiter, and the two followed him to the toilet, where he had locked himself in a stall. Siebrecht, who had a very tricky position, decided to offer Natsidis a draw, which his opponent accepted. After this he was searched by the arbiter, who found a smart phone in his pocket. It had a chess program installed and the program was displaying the position five minutes before the end of the game against Siebrecht.

Natsidis ( a Law student according to the caption under the player's photo on Chessbase) went to Siebrecht, admitted that he had been using his cell phone to cheat and apologised to his opponent. The incident will have serious consequences, which will be decided in the coming weeks.


and did you notice that they did not perve over the toilet wall at him to see what was going on. Because that would have been an infringement of his privacy regardless, only the police can do that with special permission.

Hobbes
06-06-2011, 11:24 AM
and did you notice that they did not perve over the toilet wall at him to see what was going on. Because that would have been an infringement of his privacy regardless, only the police can do that with special permission.

But it did say the arbiter searched him - frisked? - doesn't seem much different from a privacy/police point of view, and anyway they caught him red handed, so what is the problem?

Kevin Bonham
06-06-2011, 03:40 PM
and did you notice that they did not perve over the toilet wall at him to see what was going on. Because that would have been an infringement of his privacy regardless, only the police can do that with special permission.

You don't even know enough about the situation to know if it was possible to look over that particular toilet wall.

Denis_Jessop
06-06-2011, 04:03 PM
and did you notice that they did not perve over the toilet wall at him to see what was going on. Because that would have been an infringement of his privacy regardless, only the police can do that with special permission.

I suggest that FIDE amend the Laws of Chess to require transparent toilet walls to discourage the kind of activity that is possible with the walls as they are. :hmm: :clap:

DJ

ER
06-06-2011, 05:19 PM
I suggest that FIDE amend the Laws of Chess to require transparent toilet walls to discourage the kind of activity that is possible with the walls as they are. :hmm: :clap:

DJ

Why not portable dunnies on stage then?
After all same shit different smell!

Sir Cromulent Sparkles
07-06-2011, 12:05 AM
make it mandatory to play fide comps at the airport so that the guys with the gloves can check all the nooks and crannys.

antichrist
07-06-2011, 12:14 AM
do you mean for missing pieces?
gee I have raised the standards of ths thread

Jesper Norgaard
08-06-2011, 02:24 PM
I thought it was quite hilarious that the GM checked the toilets when he noticed the absence of Natsidis, and could sense that one toilet was occupied, but there were no "typical toilet sounds". :lol: :lol: :lol:

Talk about toiletgate ...

Desmond
10-06-2011, 04:30 PM
I thought it was quite hilarious that the GM checked the toilets when he noticed the absence of Natsidis, and could sense that one toilet was occupied, but there were no "typical toilet sounds". :lol: :lol: :lol:

Talk about toiletgate ...
He might have got away with it if he'd had beans for breakfast.:lol: