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Grant Szuveges
07-04-2011, 03:46 AM
One thing I love about watching sport is all the spin - ie all the rubbish that players, coaches, managers, presidents etc talk when being interviewed by the media. For example, a footballer whose team has just won a game by 50 points against a much weaker team may say something like:

"Yeah, we had a good win today. Our opponents are a quality outfit and we had to be careful not to take them lightly but we worked hard and were lucky enough to end up having a win"

What they basically meant (and everyone knows it) was something like:

"We are a much much better team than they are and we were always going to belt them but we had better be polite so that it doesnt give them any ammunition next time we play them because they may have improved in the meantime"

The player may also have put in a great individual performance getting a heap of the ball and kicking 6 goals or something. The interview continues:

"Yeah, I had a good game personally, but the most important thing is that the team had a win and the other boys played really well and I ended up kicking some of those goals because the boys kept kicking it to me etc etc etc"

What we think he meant:

"Well, Im easily the best player in the team and I played an absolute blinder"

Coaches usually put in an even better effort when it comes to these things, as do administrators....

I think people get the picture...

Well, Ive been thinking, that you often get a lot of this in chess too. A few years ago, I saw a 2100 type player showing someone a game in which he had a lucky win against a 1500 player. At one point he said:

"If he had played this move, I wouldve resigned"

What we think he meant:

"If he had played this move I wouldve had to defend a lot more carefully but I wouldve beaten him anyway because he is a bunny and even if he did find this move, he wouldnt have known how to follow it up properly etc"

Another example, when talking to a club president or official who has been asked if he would like the state association to move its headquarters from a rival club to his club (I was once asked this question myself)

What he said:

"No, the situation is fine how it is. They are well situated there"

What we think he meant:

"The state association are their problem now, not ours"

Now lets think about how much rubbish gets talked in chess - particularly on the forums as well as at clubs and lets come up with a few "what they said, what we think they meant"s!

Garvinator
07-04-2011, 09:49 AM
My favourite in this type is when the team has played really poorly and the coach after the game started slamming the referee, administrators and everyone else in an attempt to get the media to write about him, instead of the poor performance of the players.

ER
07-04-2011, 02:03 PM
Grant's intended effort for a title of this thread:


"What they said, what we think they meant"

Michaels interpretation of the above:


''Why are the chess players so dillusional/selfish''

Basil
07-04-2011, 02:12 PM
Howard wrote: PINORCLE

What he intended to say was: <UNPUBLISHABLE>

Grant Szuveges
07-04-2011, 04:11 PM
Judging by the responses, Im not really sure that anyone on either forum completely understood what I was intending with this thread. Here is an example of how it is supposed to work:

WHAT HE SAID:
"I hear there was controversy with the B group prizes."
(David Beaumont aka Firegoat7 in the MCC allegro thread on the other forum)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT
"Ive heard that there was some sort of issue on Saturday and I want to generate some publicity for the MCC and its allegro, and even though this is negative publicity, its better than no publicity and thus people will at least read the threads more and that will be good for the club in my opinion."

WHAT HE SAID
"And what was that Mr. Goat?"
(Paul Cavezza aka Pablito, in response to Beaumonts comment)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT
"Stop trying to stir the pot"

OR

"On behalf of the MCC, Im putting this pointless comment right back on you"

I think that people will gradually start to understand it all as they find suitable examples amongst the forums...

Desmond
07-04-2011, 04:16 PM
Oh, so when someone says, "thanks for the feedback" but they really mean "stick it, you 'unt", sort of thing?

Grant Szuveges
07-04-2011, 04:29 PM
Oh, so when someone says, "thanks for the feedback" but they really mean "stick it, you 'unt", sort of thing?

Got it in one! I think you are starting to understand the idea now...

Basil
07-04-2011, 06:14 PM
Ah yes, so when Grant says

Got it in one! I think you are starting to understand the idea now...

He really meant:
OK you plank, you might not be quick, but you get there in the end :lol: ;)

Grant Szuveges
07-04-2011, 06:45 PM
Ah yes, so when Grant says


He really meant:
OK you plank, you might not be quick, but you get there in the end :lol: ;)

I can see that we are all going to have a hell of a lot of fun with this thread...
Get your examples in people!

that Caesar guy
07-04-2011, 07:22 PM
WHAT I SAY:
I can't believe I f***ed that game up. I was completely winning, this is ridiculous, screw you guys I'm going home.
WHAT I REALLY MEAN
Argh my position was barely tolerable, but not lost until I played this move, lets use that move as a scapegoat for the rest of the position and blame ALL of my problems on that one move. The IM title should help to emphasise that I'm clearly right. Once I've convinced you all with my wonderfully sad bullshitting skills, I'm gonna get outta here before you put Fritz on my case and see I'm completely wrong. Laters.

I thought that applied well here :) hahaha

Paul Cavezza
07-04-2011, 07:58 PM
"Be careful you time man"
Elie B Beranjia

Read: I am within moments utter annihilation and will stop at nothing short of a Russian Kalinka dance to put you off!

Carl Gorka
07-04-2011, 10:18 PM
MCC team member:

"Yes, I should be ok to play that match"

What he meant to say

"Actually, I'll be 800k's away in Adelaide at the time so there's no chance I'll turn up"

Carl Gorka
07-04-2011, 10:29 PM
MCC President

"So, have we got any plans for the computer room yet?"

What he meant to say:

"I can get a free pool table and turn that crappy little room into an excellent boyz pad:cool: "
:lol: :lol:

Carl Gorka
07-04-2011, 10:32 PM
Myself to Richard Voon

"You can't castle, you've already moved your king"

What I meant to say

"You can't seriously be trying that you cheating @#$%@#$%^@#$%^%$#"

Paul Cavezza
07-04-2011, 11:49 PM
haha very diplomatic :lol:

Rincewind
08-04-2011, 12:02 AM
Aron Nimzovitch

Said: "Why must I lose to this idiot!"
Meant to say: "I resign. Well played, Sir".

Lekko
08-04-2011, 02:25 PM
MCC President

"So, have we got any plans for the computer room yet?"

What he meant to say:

"I can get a free pool table and turn that crappy little room into an excellent boyz pad:cool: "
:lol: :lol:
:clap:

Grant Szuveges
24-04-2011, 12:46 AM
Last December, I had a beautiful five day break playing at Gold Coast!
Then after two days rest in Melbourne, i had another 10 lovely days in Sydney playing in the Aus Open!
Then in Feb another week in SunCoast QLD, then Ballarat Begonia in March.
Now, in Sydney for SIO! :)
June in Tassie!
Meanwhile I 've managed to fit in great tournaments at Melbourne Chess Club, Box Hill Chess Club and Noble Park Chess Club!
And that's only in the first part of the year!
I love our chess scene!
Bring it on! :)

WHAT HE SAID

"Last December, I had a beautiful five day break playing at Gold Coast!
Then after two days rest in Melbourne, i had another 10 lovely days in Sydney playing in the Aus Open!
Then in Feb another week in SunCoast QLD, then Ballarat Begonia in March.
Now, in Sydney for SIO!
June in Tassie!
Meanwhile I 've managed to fit in great tournaments at Melbourne Chess Club, Box Hill Chess Club and Noble Park Chess Club!
And that's only in the first part of the year!
I love our chess scene!
Bring it on!"

(JAK discussing the argy bargy created by the Canterbury Summer Swiss)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT

"As a chess player I dont want to (and shouldnt have to) get stuck in the middle of all this"

And fair enough too...

ER
24-04-2011, 01:29 AM
WHAT GRANT SAID

Victorians have a life Im guessing?

WHAT WE THOUGHT HE MEANT TO SAY

Victorians have a life Im guessing? Except perhaps those who come to play Chess on Aussie Day? :P

ER
24-04-2011, 01:39 AM
and more seriously :lol:

WHAT GRANT SAID
Victorians have a life Im guessing?
WHAT WE THOUGHT HE MEANT TO SAY

Mind your own bloody business Bill! :P

MichaelBaron
24-04-2011, 10:56 AM
and more seriously :lol:

WHAT GRANT SAID
Victorians have a life Im guessing?
WHAT WE THOUGHT HE MEANT TO SAY

Mind your own bloody business Bill! :P
:)

Garvinator
24-04-2011, 11:01 AM
From Canterbury Summer Swiss thread.

WHAT GRANT SAID
Victorians have a life Im guessing?

WHAT WE THOUGHT HE MEANT TO SAY

Mind your own bloody business Bill!

antichrist
24-04-2011, 10:20 PM
WHAT HE SAID

"Last December, I had a beautiful five day break playing at Gold Coast!
Then after two days rest in Melbourne, i had another 10 lovely days in Sydney playing in the Aus Open!
Then in Feb another week in SunCoast QLD, then Ballarat Begonia in March.
Now, in Sydney for SIO!
June in Tassie!
Meanwhile I 've managed to fit in great tournaments at Melbourne Chess Club, Box Hill Chess Club and Noble Park Chess Club!
And that's only in the first part of the year!
I love our chess scene!
Bring it on!"

(JAK discussing the argy bargy created by the Canterbury Summer Swiss)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT

"As a chess player I dont want to (and shouldnt have to) get stuck in the middle of all this"

And fair enough too...

Or he could have been saying "this proves I have bloody nothing better to do with my life"

Tony Dowden
06-05-2011, 07:40 PM
Myself to Richard Voon

"You can't castle, you've already moved your king"

What I meant to say

"You can't seriously be trying that you cheating @#$%@#$%^@#$%^%$#"
If I can still play blitz at Voonie's age (and at a fraction of his strength) I'll expect to be allowed to castle as illegally and as often as I like :lol:

Garvinator
06-05-2011, 08:06 PM
If I can still play blitz at Voonie's age (and at a fraction of his strength) I'll expect to be allowed to castle as illegally and as often as I like :lol:Just as long as you declare it beforehand, no probs :)

antichrist
07-05-2011, 02:25 AM
When Kb said "antichrist reinvents the wheel of SIO " what he meant was that "Sleuth, AC has come up with another winner, wonder how long before it is recognised as billiant?

antichrist
07-05-2011, 02:37 AM
When Shirty said "Yes, it's all about you, Peter Hanna, you solipsistic, low-wattage, f*ckwitted attention whore."

what he meant was "I can never forgive him for embarrassing me about losing to Max Fuller in the NSW Champs all those years ago"

(I love this game)

Kevin Bonham
07-05-2011, 11:09 AM
When KB said "antichrist, you are a silly troll" what he meant was "antichrist, you are a silly troll". :lol:

Rincewind
07-05-2011, 11:27 AM
(I love this game)

The trouble with your revisionism is that by doing so you are adding further evidence (not that any was necessary) of the literal truth of Shirty's original statement. :lol:

Grant Szuveges
20-05-2011, 01:20 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

"If there's going to be free food then you can count me in xD"
(Frank Lekkas aka Heartbreak Kid about the Fitzroy Skittles)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"Well, Im fairly indifferent to this but I probably will play anyway. But since it means a lot to the organisers, I might as well milk it for whatever else I can get from it too..."

Grant Szuveges
20-05-2011, 01:31 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

"You can play for win in any opening."
(Michael Baron commenting about a game in the MCC Open)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"I can play for a win in any opening..."

Adamski
20-05-2011, 07:13 AM
Lol

MichaelBaron
20-05-2011, 04:49 PM
WHAT HE SAID:

"You can play for win in any opening."
(Michael Baron commenting about a game in the MCC Open)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"I can play for a win in any opening..."

Actually to be honest..Yes...when 2 1800 rated players blame the ''drawn opening'' for the 1/2 result...it sounds very funny.

Grant Szuveges
02-06-2011, 03:11 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

"Woof woof

The pit bull terrier has entered. Watch out for my ferocious openings.

More importantly I am seeing the eye specialist next week. I need new glasses.
This should make a difference."

(David Flude in the Vic Open thread)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"I have entered the Vic Open!"

antichrist
02-06-2011, 08:09 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

"Woof woof

The pit bull terrier has entered. Watch out for my ferocious openings.

More importantly I am seeing the eye specialist next week. I need new glasses.
This should make a difference."

(David Flude in the Vic Open thread)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"I have entered the Vic Open!"

I seen the eye specialist at 3.30pm before vital round in Ukrainian Club championship that I was vying for. He assured me that by 6.30pm the blurring eye drops would wear off, they did not off and played half blind, my request for a delay was refused, and almost lost accordingly. But did go on to win the champ.

antichrist
02-06-2011, 08:26 AM
Yes. Would be interesting sometime to look at it by postcount and see if posters over, say, 200 posts whose identities are known tend to have high ratings.

AC
what he meant was, "as AC pointed out only 4 females are over 2,000, I woinder if it is because of all their chatting."

ER
08-06-2011, 01:55 AM
During a discussion with Captain Underpants on improving ACF website Grant proposed the following: (what we think he meant to say is in parentheses)

1. Website is not up to date.
(As if I give a hoot!)
2. Update it.
(and pigs fly)
3. Cant.
(correct!)
4. Why not?
(because you can't)
5. Noone to do it.
(correct!)
6. Get someone.
(hehe, I have HBK, dad Dale and Fireeater just to name a few) :owned:
7. How?
(that's your bloody business)
8. Advertise position.
(hehe I know it won't work :P )
9. Done that already.
(hehe I know it didn't work :P )
10. Advertise it as a paid position (Howards suggestion).
(Cool story bro, I remember Howard's reaction when he was criticicised for a chess related website not being updated some time ago).
11. Can we afford this?
(no, you can't)! :P
12. Good idea - how much should we pay them?
(you can't afford it and even if you could, you' re too bloody stingy to do so!
Etc etc etc
(etc etc etc)

Grant Szuveges
08-06-2011, 02:03 AM
During a discussion with Captain Underpants on improving ACF website Grant proposed the following: (what we think he meant to say is in parentheses)

1. Website is not up to date.
(As if I give a hoot!)
2. Update it.
(and pigs fly)
3. Cant.
(correct!)
4. Why not?
(because you can't)
5. Noone to do it.
(correct!)
6. Get someone.
(hehe, I have HBK, dad Dale and Fireeater just to name a few) :owned:
7. How?
(that's your bloody business)
8. Advertise position.
(hehe I know it won't work :P )
9. Done that already.
(hehe I know it didn't work :P )
10. Advertise it as a paid position (Howards suggestion).
(Cool story bro, I remember Howard's reaction when he was criticicised for a chess related website not being updated some time ago).
11. Can we afford this?
(no, you can't)! :P
12. Good idea - how much should we pay them?
(you can't afford it and even if you could, you' re too bloody stingy to do so!
Etc etc etc
(etc etc etc)

That whole thread is full of "What they said, what we think they meants" actually! I might have a look through it and add some more in here - at the risk of offending just about everybody involved! hehehe....

On a serious note though, lets look at point 6, MCC can manage to find heaps of people not only capable of getting things done, but who actually do get things done.... I dont know why other chess organisations cant.... We are obviously doing something right down in Fitzroy....

Kevin Bonham
08-06-2011, 02:08 AM
AC
what he meant was, "as AC pointed out only 4 females are over 2,000, I woinder if it is because of all their chatting."

Ah, you mean 2000 rating; I thought you meant 2000 posts.

Your silly sexism aside, the Top Females list only includes females with ! or !! after their ratings; there are others over 2000 who are less active (eg Sorokina, on the active list but rated 2151 blank.)

Grant Szuveges
08-06-2011, 02:24 AM
WHAT HE SAID: "I will never support the ACF advertising anything on the other forum for any reason, and indeed the ACF has a long-standing policy of giving the other forum no publicity in its newsletter. We know that the other forum is run by people who believe (and stridently claim) that the ACF should not exist, who have a history of undocumented, biased and mischievous tampering with the posts and shouts of ACF personnel, and who simply cannot be trusted."

(Kevin Bonham, in the On The Move website discussion thread)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"We (the ACF) dont want anyone reading THAT forum instead of ours - ours is the official one!"

Grant Szuveges
08-06-2011, 02:28 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

"Don't you read my posts on other threads?"

(David Cordover aka Chessguru, in response to David Flude's post in the On The Move website thread)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"I cant believe that someone wouldnt read my posts!!! I talk sense!!! People should listen to me!!!"

Grant Szuveges
08-06-2011, 02:39 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

"I will give you a hint.

The Philippines is churning out all sort of computer geeks by the millions, and also that country is fantastic at chess, and also unfortunately (and fortunately) their salaries are very low.

Western internet companies have thousands of Pinoys doing their technical work.

So please join the dots ............................................."

(Antichrist, on the On The Move website thread)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"I want to get involved in this thread somehow, but I really cant think of anything really sensible to contribute, so I will just say something and hope that someone in the discussion responds... Then I will also be part of this thread!!!"

Kevin Bonham
08-06-2011, 02:43 AM
WHAT HE SAID



"WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"We (the ACF) dont want anyone reading THAT forum instead of ours - ours is the official one!"

(Grant Szuveges, this thread above)

WHAT *I* THINK HE MEANT

"Because firegoat would sulk if my club didn't post on the Toolbox, I am pursuing my simplistic equal-treatment policy towards the two forums, irrespective of and largely ignorant of the facts and history and closing my eyes and ears to the overwhelming evidence that the Toolbox is infested with idiots, liars and trolls whose forum the ACF is completely right not to promote, although the ACF obviously does not have an official forum and would be happy to link to anything that had the slightest clue about the basics of fair moderation."

:lol:

Grant Szuveges
08-06-2011, 03:00 AM
WHAT HE SAID



(Grant Szuveges, this thread above)

WHAT *I* THINK HE MEANT

"Because firegoat would sulk if my club didn't post on the Toolbox, I am pursuing my simplistic equal-treatment policy towards the two forums, irrespective of and largely ignorant of the facts and history and closing my eyes and ears to the overwhelming evidence that the Toolbox is infested with idiots, liars and trolls whose forum the ACF is completely right not to promote, although the ACF obviously does not have an official forum and would be happy to link to anything that had the slightest clue about the basics of fair moderation."

:lol:

Ironically enough, of the 7 "what he saids" that Ive posted on the other forum, 3 of them involve Firegoat giving his two cents...

He can sulk all he likes, but he has nothing to do with the reason that we post on both forums. The reason we post on both, is because we can...

Hobbes
08-06-2011, 10:04 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

"For 15% of ACF revenue I will do all your jobs. It's an offer in writing...take me up on it if you like."

(David Cordover in the On The Move website thread)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"Every time I have stood for election the voters, knowing my character, have rejected me so I am reduced to this sort of desperation."

Hobbes
08-06-2011, 10:23 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

"People with nothing to hide post using their real names..."

(Grant Szuveges sig)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"When people criticise the MCC it is my policy to post ugly accusations about them; make things easy for me by using your real name, thanks!"

antichrist
08-06-2011, 10:50 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

"I will give you a hint.

The Philippines is churning out all sort of computer geeks by the millions, and also that country is fantastic at chess, and also unfortunately (and fortunately) their salaries are very low.

Western internet companies have thousands of Pinoys doing their technical work.

So please join the dots ............................................."

(Antichrist, on the On The Move website thread)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"I want to get involved in this thread somehow, but I really cant think of anything really sensible to contribute, so I will just say something and hope that someone in the discussion responds... Then I will also be part of this thread!!!"


What I meant was, I have friends over there in such courses who would jump at the chance to earn some good Aussie dollars for some thing they could do in their spare time. Their address is 83 Pulo, Cubayao, Laguna by the way.

Only because it seemed all too impossible for the Aussies to handle.

And what Grant meant: I have been waiting 6 months to get back at AC for his stir in Toolbox ages ago

Kevin Bonham
08-06-2011, 03:51 PM
Ironically enough, of the 7 "what he saids" that Ive posted on the other forum, 3 of them involve Firegoat giving his two cents...

Yeah, the mention of firegoat was a cheapo thrown in for effect but I was actually trying to think of any valid reason why you would really need to post over there as well as here. If "because we can" is the best you've got you should hardly expect the ACF to follow suit on that. Especially when it's doubtful if we can without our stuff getting tampered with or abused.

Grant Szuveges
08-06-2011, 04:41 PM
What I meant was, I have friends over there in such courses who would jump at the chance to earn some good Aussie dollars for some thing they could do in their spare time. Their address is 83 Pulo, Cubayao, Laguna by the way.

Only because it seemed all too impossible for the Aussies to handle.

And what Grant meant: I have been waiting 6 months to get back at AC for his stir in Toolbox ages ago

AC, I dont actually remember your stir in the toolbox! What was it?

As for the Philipines thing, if it is serious, suggest it seriously to the ACF - good luck to all parties involved.

Grant Szuveges
08-06-2011, 04:44 PM
WHAT HE SAID:

"People with nothing to hide post using their real names..."

(Grant Szuveges sig)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"When people criticise the MCC it is my policy to post ugly accusations about them; make things easy for me by using your real name, thanks!"

ALMOST right: When people criticise the MCC it is my policy to try to make them accountable for what they say.

Of course its much harder to make an anonymous entity accountable for anything at all...

Thanks for giving my signature more publicity!

Grant Szuveges
08-06-2011, 04:47 PM
Yeah, the mention of firegoat was a cheapo thrown in for effect but I was actually trying to think of any valid reason why you would really need to post over there as well as here. If "because we can" is the best you've got you should hardly expect the ACF to follow suit on that. Especially when it's doubtful if we can without our stuff getting tampered with or abused.

No problems Kevin - this thread and its banter is all a bit of fun and Im more than happy to cop as much as I dish out.

We post on both forums in order to "leave no stone unturned" in maximising our exposure to as many people as possible. For example if we get one new member from the other forum (which we have), then our promotion there has been a success - same deal here on this forum.

Grant Szuveges
08-06-2011, 05:23 PM
WHAT HE SAID:

"Furthermore it would be done properly and by someone with doing it as their primary focus or one of their major focuses. For instance, no quick fixes like replacing Glicko with some kind of simple-to-run but statistically backwards Elo system at exactly the time that FIDE is initiating a Foundation for Modernisation that may well consign Elo to the dustbin."

(Kevin Bonham, when discussing the suggestion that a group of energetic people put up their hand to run the ACF, in the "On The Move" thread)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"Bill will go berko if Glicko is replaced!"

Note: Trevor Stanning on the other forum wouldnt be too happy either...

Grant Szuveges
08-06-2011, 05:31 PM
WHT HE SAID:

"And don't worry, I wouldn't dare suggest the obvious "Olympiad selection based on ratings" (because now we have such accurate Glicko ratings we may as well use them) because I know that the feeling of power and control is critically important to the ACF, so allowing an independent, unobjective selection process is just NOT ON."

(David Cordover, in the "On The Move" thread)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"If the Glicko Rating system was accurate or had any legitimacy in the eyes of the Australian chess public, then the Olympiad team selectors would simply select the team based on their Australian (Glicko) ratings."

Kevin Bonham
08-06-2011, 11:27 PM
WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"Bill will go berko if Glicko is replaced!"

Not half as much as I will - unless it is replaced by something better. :lol:

Grant Szuveges
08-06-2011, 11:30 PM
Not half as much as I will - unless it is replaced by something better. :lol:

hahaha, I was hoping that someone would reply to this one (it was one of my favourites)

antichrist
09-06-2011, 12:33 AM
from OTM thread: and when all their wives yelled "come to bed you idiot stop wasting your time"

What they meant was: God streuth what nut have I married or am I really that much of a turn off?

Grant Szuveges
12-06-2011, 07:36 PM
WHAT HE SAID:

"any updated results. After all...one can tell when Tornelo is missing"

(Michael Baron, on the Vic Open thread)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"They should be using tornelo..."

Hobbes
21-06-2011, 01:44 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

oh ok :clap: I thought it was the one started by Grant which I love reading! Block the living crap out of the other monkey see monkey do monstrosity!

JAC in the Moderation: completely pointless whinging thread after being told that a locked thread was not the one he supposed.


WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

I humbly apologise for making a complete goose of myself and throwing my toys out of the cot without making any attempt to get my facts right. Sorry!

ER
21-06-2011, 02:45 AM
WHAT HE SAID:
I humbly apologise for making a complete goose of myself and throwing my toys out of the cot without making any attempt to get my facts right. Sorry!

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT

I humbly apologise for making a complete goose of myself and throwing my toys out of the cot without making any attempt to get my facts right. Sorry

Grant Szuveges
21-06-2011, 09:31 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

oh ok :clap: I thought it was the one started by Grant which I love reading! Block the living crap out of the other monkey see monkey do monstrosity!

JAC in the Moderation: completely pointless whinging thread after being told that a locked thread was not the one he supposed.


WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

I humbly apologise for making a complete goose of myself and throwing my toys out of the cot without making any attempt to get my facts right. Sorry!

????????? Please enlighten me.... Ive got no idea what this is all referring to....

Hobbes
21-06-2011, 10:25 AM
Posting from phone so no links but anyway:

Antichrist was having fun in one of his threads and the thread was locked.
JAC made a most intemperate post in 'feedback & suggestions' thread in Help & Feedback section to complain. Moderators rightly moved post to 'pointless whinging' thread in the same section. #1231

KB explained JAC's error to him, and his response is above.

:)

antichrist
21-06-2011, 11:06 AM
????????? Please enlighten me.... Ive got no idea what this is all referring to....

http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=13096
http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?p=312496#post312496

Jak did not know he was complimenting my beloved thread so he tried to cover his tracks - I still love him

ER
21-06-2011, 06:47 PM
????????? Please enlighten me.... Ive got no idea what this is all referring to....

It's only another combined effort of silly trolls not worthy of serious consideration.
The title of your popular "what they said ..." thread was hijacked by one of them. ("Cloned" as Kev rightly described it when he blocked it)!
For a moment and looking at the hijacked title, I thought it was your thread that was locked.
Then Kev explained the situation and I congratulated him for it


oh ok :clap: I thought it was the one started by Grant which I love reading! Block the living crap out of the other monkey see monkey do monstrosity!

Then, one of the trolls (who has unsuccessfully tried to troll me, and you, in various occasions in the past) instead of having the guts to come and see me at BHCC where I am almost every Fri to talk matters face to face, hides behind his little pussycat troll avatar dribbling his crap.

Hobbes
21-06-2011, 09:15 PM
Now come on JAC, it's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye!

ER
21-06-2011, 09:48 PM
Now come on JAC, it's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye!

Then, one of the trolls - that's you (....) instead of having the guts to come and see me at BHCC where I am almost every Fri to talk matters face to face, hides behind his little pussycat troll avatar dribbling his crap.

Now get the frigg out of here and stop infesting decent threads with your crap! See me in person if you want to talk about it further!

that Caesar guy
21-06-2011, 10:05 PM
Then, one of the trolls - that's you (....) instead of having the guts to come and see me at BHCC where I am almost every Fri to talk matters face to face, hides behind his little pussycat troll avatar dribbling his crap.

Now get the frigg out of here and stop infesting decent threads with your crap! See me in person if you want to talk about it further!
Umad bro?

ER
21-06-2011, 10:33 PM
Umad bro?


lol yep! :P :lol:

antichrist
23-06-2011, 12:41 AM
Then, one of the trolls - that's you (....) instead of having the guts to come and see me at BHCC where I am almost every Fri to talk matters face to face, hides behind his little pussycat troll avatar dribbling his crap.

Now get the frigg out of here and stop infesting decent threads with your crap! See me in person if you want to talk about it further!

And do you notice JAK that he calls you JAC - that's what he said, I wonder what he meant?

Hobbes
25-06-2011, 08:33 PM
WHAT HE SAID:

"Took me a minute and a half to get this one."

(Opening sentence of a post to answer to a chess problem)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

FIGJAM!

Grant Szuveges
28-07-2011, 05:30 PM
WHAT THEY SAID:

"Canterbury Summer Swiss

There has been some toing and froing since a combined preferred format was pro-posed by the presidents of the Melbourne and Box Hill Chess clubs. This proposal was approved by the Box Hill Chess club committee but did not meet the seal by the MCC committee. Therefore it was decided that each club would go its own way."

(Box Hill and Canterbury Chess News 2011.29 - volume 3, issue 29)

WHAT WE THINK THEY MEANT:

"We hijacked the traditional timeslot of an event run by another club (MCC), then we agreed to run a joint event with them but decided that we wanted to hog it all and run every single round at our venue. Of course we knew that MCC would not agree to this and now there are 2 events, so we might as well put out this propaganda to make it look like MCC are the unreasonable party here - its worth a try, even though nobody believes us anyway..."

Grant Szuveges
31-07-2011, 12:30 AM
WHAT THEY SAID:

"players or spectators may not talk either to themselves or each other within the hearing of players who are seated at the board;"

(2012 Australian Junior Chess Championships website - in the 'What is chess etiquette' section of FAQ)

WHAT WE THINK THEY MEANT:

"We wouldnt normally expect that people would be talking to themselves - its the first sign of madness actually. Although this is chess players we are talking about here, so anything really is possible..."

antichrist
31-07-2011, 12:37 AM
I have a champ mate and he certainly talks to himself when under pressure. And we know one case from the old board when they were even talking to God asking for help - so there

antichrist
31-07-2011, 05:37 PM
What he said:
Mike Baron: and there is a Melbourne-based chess coach who used to play Mr.Turzo on the UsChesslive chess server 3 0 - and had a good score :owned:

What he meant: who is this upstart who I thrash trying to crash my domain, stay well away from him

Kevin Bonham
31-07-2011, 05:58 PM
"players or spectators may not talk either to themselves or each other within the hearing of players who are seated at the board;"

I do like the "to themselves" bit. Can't recall ever seeing that in a condition list before. Nice example of dry wit there. :lol:

antichrist
31-07-2011, 09:40 PM
I do like the "to themselves" bit. Can't recall ever seeing that in a condition list before. Nice example of dry wit there. :lol:

I hate it when they get behind the game then abuse themselves out aloud, that is trying to steal their opponents thunder by not giving credit instead

Grant Szuveges
03-08-2011, 03:20 PM
WHAT HE SAID:

"It wasn't a game - it was a shame."

(Howard Duggan aka Captain Underpants, commenting on the Vic Champs 10 move draw between IM James Morris and GM Darryl Johansen)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"Of course if Grandmaster Darryl Johansen offered ME a quick draw after 10 moves, I would say no and keep on playing."

that Caesar guy
03-08-2011, 03:47 PM
WHAT HE SAID:

"It wasn't a game - it was a shame."

(Howard Duggan aka Captain Underpants, commenting on the Vic Champs 10 move draw between IM James Morris and GM Darryl Johansen)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"Of course if Grandmaster Darryl Johansen offered ME a quick draw after 10 moves, I would say no and keep on playing."
:lol:

ER
04-08-2011, 02:18 AM
WHAT HE SAID


If players choose to have a 10 move draw its none of others' business! I do not even see why then need to give excuses (VCE etc.) If you want to offer a draw - you offer a draw and the opponent can chose whether to take it or not. If spectators want to have ''free entertainment'' - off they go to circus!


WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT



Even a controversial rule of having all drawn games replayed as blitz would be better!

:hmm:

Carl Gorka
04-08-2011, 09:24 PM
Grant Szuveges:

"I actually like seeing players have quick draws (for some reason I get a real kick out of it) and as an organiser, I actively encourage them...."

What he meant:

"I actually like quick chess and think it's agonising waiting of 4 or 5 hours for the game just to be a draw. As an organiser I actively encourage them....to finish quickly so we can all have a laugh and go down the pub"

:D

ER
14-08-2011, 11:46 PM
http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/computer-17.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html)

WHAT THEY SAID


Swiss Perfect gives the message- no legal pairings found...
I put the information into swiss master 5 and all the program does is give up and crash ... I am taking that to mean that SM5 could not even come up with a set of legal pairings. Over to everyone else.


It is immediately obvious to me that a legal pairing of all players is impossible in this situation.

WHAT WE THINK THEY MEANT

Have you got Grant Szuveges's phone No. or email addrress? He was saying something about manual pairings the other day!

Hobbes
27-08-2011, 01:20 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

"Anyone know how to get to noble park chess club"

HBK in the shoutbox, in this day and age of googlemaps

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"Can I scab a lift to noble park chess club off of someone?"

Grant Szuveges
27-08-2011, 09:04 PM
WHAT HE SAID:

"Anyone know how to get to noble park chess club"

HBK in the shoutbox, in this day and age of googlemaps

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"Can I scab a lift to noble park chess club off of someone?"

This is one of the funniest ever put up on this thread! I like it! Made me laugh for a whole minute!

Grant Szuveges
27-08-2011, 09:14 PM
WHAT HE SAID:
"Ian Stone won against Jack Puccini on Thursday 25/08/11. It was an exchange French."

(Malcolm Pyke on the MCC facebook page, after a message was put out asking for the result of the game - which may have affected the pairings of the final round)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:
"This last part is particularly important since it will certainly affect the pairings greatly: Stone will need to be paired against a non - French player and Puccini will need to be paired against someone who wont play e4 - that way both players avoid the opening for the second time running... The new FIDE approved Swiss pairing rules state in rule 7.23 No player can have 2 whites in a row, no player can have 2 blacks in a row and no player can play either side of the same opening in a row. The pairings must do everything possible including pairing the player on 5/5 with the player on 0/5 to avoid a repeat of the Exchange French in the final round of the tournament - even if the tournament is played in France."

Lekko
27-08-2011, 11:47 PM
What he said:
Grant John Szuveges
When choosing the filling of your next sandwich, choose a filling which is the same colour as the t.shirt you are wearing: that way if you spill any of it on the t.shirt, it will blend in and nobody will notice...

What we think he meant:
I spilt the filling of my sandwich on my shirt today, and it stained it. Everyone seemed to notice because they made faces at it. I need to find a way to eat my food without looking like I haven't showered or washed my clothes in a month.

:D


WHAT HE SAID:

"Anyone know how to get to noble park chess club"

HBK in the shoutbox, in this day and age of googlemaps

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"Can I scab a lift to noble park chess club off of someone?"
Google maps sent me 10 minutes in the wrong direction. Rocked up for my game 20 minutes late.

Grant Szuveges
27-08-2011, 11:58 PM
[QUOTE=HeartBreak Kid]What he said:
Grant John Szuveges
When choosing the filling of your next sandwich, choose a filling which is the same colour as the t.shirt you are wearing: that way if you spill any of it on the t.shirt, it will blend in and nobody will notice...

What we think he meant:
I spilt the filling of my sandwich on my shirt today, and it stained it. Everyone seemed to notice because they made faces at it. I need to find a way to eat my food without looking like I haven't showered or washed my clothes in a month.

:D
[QUOTE]

Actually, the t.shirt was the same colour as the sandwich filling (which was ham, tomato, cheese and pickles) and nobody noticed at all - I was at Melbourne Chess Club, so I have numerous witnesses..... I announced it and everyone burst into laughter - which made me think: this would be a very good facebook status...

Hobbes
13-10-2011, 09:13 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

"Looks like Victorian $ has depreciated to nothing since my humble donation went unheralded, unacknowledged or simply considered as insignificant by the MCC's Prez. Well, that's life I presume, so I convert my above donation to $00.00 with the hope that it would attract no response as did my previous one and we can all be happy!"

JAC in the MCC Cup Weekender thread

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

Grant publicly thanked Garrett for donating $100 to the MCC. I had a fit of jealous rage on reading this, so I immediately copied Garrett's offer of a $100 donation in the hope of transferring some of the attention away from Garrett to myself. That didn't work, so now I will throw a hissy-fit and break my promise in the hope that I garner some attention that way. :evil:

ER
13-10-2011, 09:32 AM
WHAT HE (SHE) SAID


If you are offended by my faulty memory I apologise.

WHAT WE THINK HE (SHE) MEANT

I am a gutless anonymous slimy troll and as such I don't have the decency to apologise for my lowlife tactics so I will blame it on my faulty memory and it might work

Garrett
13-10-2011, 05:34 PM
WHAT HE SAID:

"Looks like Victorian $ has depreciated to nothing since my humble donation went unheralded, unacknowledged or simply considered as insignificant by the MCC's Prez. Well, that's life I presume, so I convert my above donation to $00.00 with the hope that it would attract no response as did my previous one and we can all be happy!"

JAC in the MCC Cup Weekender thread

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

Grant publicly thanked Garrett for donating $100 to the MCC. I had a fit of jealous rage on reading this, so I immediately copied Garrett's offer of a $100 donation in the hope of transferring some of the attention away from Garrett to myself. That didn't work, so now I will throw a hissy-fit and break my promise in the hope that I garner some attention that way. :evil:

**** off idiot.

Garrett
31-10-2011, 05:06 AM
WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"Of course if Grandmaster Darryl Johansen offered ME a quick draw after 10 moves, I would say no and keep on playing."

I thought of this post as I extended my hand to Roland Schmaltz after 17 moves yesterday.

Capablanca-Fan
01-11-2011, 03:08 AM
I thought of this post as I extended my hand to Roland Schmaltz after 17 moves yesterday.
Nothing wrong with that. 17 moves is a relatively substantial time such that a GM didn't think he had much to play for in the last round.

Grant Szuveges
28-02-2012, 04:50 PM
WHAT HE SAID:

"Hey, no blame to you for defending your mother, but if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, I don't assume it is really a giraffe in disguise!"

("Hobbes", in the 2012 MCC Allegro thread in what appears to be a bizarre attack against Rowena Morris - mother of IM James Morris)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"It is of course ok to walk like a tiger, talk like a tiger, roar like a tiger, have a photo of a tiger on one's profile, verbally attack like a tiger yet remain anonymous like a little tabby cat..."

antichrist
28-02-2012, 06:02 PM
Could HObbes be the master of disguises - Ax...?

Adamski
28-02-2012, 10:01 PM
What he said:
Google maps sent me 10 minutes in the wrong direction. Rocked up for my game 20 minutes late.
That one's really funny. Google maps is over-rated.

Kevin Bonham
02-03-2012, 08:29 PM
Could HObbes be the master of disguises - Ax...?

Definitely not. There is something Ax would have to master if he wanted to disguise himself as Hobbes that he has never mastered with any of his previous hydras. Not that he is generally so hard to pick anyway.

antichrist
04-03-2012, 08:12 AM
Definitely not. There is something Ax would have to master if he wanted to disguise himself as Hobbes that he has never mastered with any of his previous hydras. Not that he is generally so hard to pick anyway.

I claim there is something he has mastered perfectly to fit the Hobbes bill

antichrist
06-03-2012, 06:27 PM
David Parr in 1974 Aust Championship when he withdrew after losing early rounds whilst being a favourite to win:
“my opponents were so weak that I couldn’t concentrate." (as reported by Jammo)

(sounds like M Baron these days)


What he meant: (fill in missing response)

Hobbes
06-03-2012, 06:36 PM
to fit the Hobbes bill

I think you have me confused with a duck!

Hobbes
06-03-2012, 06:37 PM
David Parr in 1974 Aust Championship when he withdrew after losing early rounds whilst being a favourite to win:
“my opponents were so weak that I couldn’t concentrate." (as reported by Jammo)


LOL, that has to be one of the best excuses I have ever heard!

peter_parr
06-03-2012, 07:12 PM
Cooma 1974 first Jamieson, 2nd Fuller, 3rd David Parr. Hanks withdrew with 2/2 after beating Jamieson.

antichrist
06-03-2012, 07:32 PM
Jammo's Chess Puzzle #12
Posted by Robert Jamieson- Chess Kids – Chess Coaching and Chess Lessons on Thursday, November 5, 2009
Parr is a famous name in Australian Chess. Peter Parr has run a chess business in Sydney for over 40 years and captained Australia’s Chess Olympiad team on six occasions, but Peter is not the only famous chess player in his family. His father, Frank Parr, was a good player also and competed in the British Championships for 55 years from 1936 to 1991.
Today I want to talk about Peter’s older brother David. David Parr was not a titled player but played internationally for England for some years and had a few notable scalps on his belt. He spent some time in Australia and in 1974 entered the Australian Championship for which he was one of the favourites. Unfortunately his ability was not reflected in his score and he withdrew from the event after a few rounds with a poor score complaining that “his opponents were so weak that he couldn’t concentrate.”
I thought it may be interesting to see David Parr in action so have a look at the position below from a Challengers Tournament in Yugoslavia in 1999. White has just played 12.Rd1+ and Parr (Black) must now chose between 12…Ke8, 12…Bd7 and 12…Kc7. Unfortunately he made the wrong choice and after White’s reply he resigned! The puzzle is what move did Black choose and what was White’s crushing reply?

Keely v D.Parr 1999
Press “more” for the solution.
ANSWER:
The finish of the game was 1.Ke8 b5!! 1-0. 2.Nc7+ is threatened and 2…cxb5 3.Bxb5+ Bd7 4.Bd7+ wins the N on g4. 1…Kc7 would have been fine.
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AC
Is this the same tourney? If came third???

Kevin Bonham
06-03-2012, 10:11 PM
I can confirm that the Ozbase game files show D Parr playing throughout the 1973-4 Aus Champs so jammo's account must be inaccurate somehow.

[EDIT: Bill posts in shoutbox that D Parr dropped out of 1975-6 Champs]

antichrist
06-03-2012, 10:16 PM
The what he meant segment is supposed to refer to what D Parr meant when uttering “his opponents were so weak that he couldn’t concentrate.”

Blame anyone but myself?

(a few current top players have that disease)

Bill Gletsos
06-03-2012, 10:40 PM
In the Feb 1976 issue of Chess In Australia a report on the 1975-1976 Aus Championship by DOP Peter Parr notes that David Parr withdrew after 6 rounds claiming the event was "too weak".
Parr's results were:
Round 1 beat F. Hutchings
Round 2 draw with A. Pope
Round 3 draw with G. Koshnitsky
Round 4 draw with J. Curtis
Round 5 lost to S. Rubinraut
Round 6 lost to J. Kellner

[Edit: The event was held at the Goldstein College at the University of NSW.]

antichrist
06-03-2012, 10:44 PM
In the Feb 1976 issue of Chess In Australia a report on the 1975-1976 Aus Championship held in Sydney by DOP Peter Parr notes that David Parr withdrew after 6 rounds claiming the event was "too weak".
Parr's results were:
Round 1 beat F. Hutchings
Round 2 draw with A. Pope
Round 3 draw with G. Koshnitsky
Round 4 draw with J. Curtis
Round 5 lost to S. Rubinraut
Round 6 lost to J. Kellner

he would not get with doing that these days? Did DOP have CoI?

Grant Szuveges
07-09-2012, 01:03 AM
WHAT THEY SAID:

"Box Hill C.C. is the premier suburban venue for Victorian adult and junior chess."

(Chess Ideas website: http://www.chessideas.com.au/pages/contact-us/links.php )

WHAT WE THINK THEY MEANT:

"Of course Melbourne Chess Club has more than double the number of members as BHCC does and has a much much stronger club championship, but lets not let the truth get in the way of a good story..."

Grant Szuveges
07-09-2012, 01:24 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

"While 2250 rated IMs get an appearance fee...2350-rated FMs at least have an option of disappearing for free"

(strong FM Michael Baron, discussing the MCC Cup Weekender in the relevant thread here on chesschat)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"Nobody is offering me an appearance fee!"

Adamski
07-09-2012, 01:24 AM
WHAT THEY SAID:

"Box Hill C.C. is the premier suburban venue for Victorian adult and junior chess."

(Chess Ideas website: http://www.chessideas.com.au/pages/contact-us/links.php )

WHAT WE THINK THEY MEANT:

"Of course Melbourne Chess Club has more than double the number of members as BHCC does and has a much much stronger club championship, but lets not let the truth get in the way of a good story..."
LOL. A good note on which to hit the sack!

Capablanca-Fan
07-09-2012, 01:55 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

"While 2250 rated IMs get an appearance fee...2350-rated FMs at least have an option of disappearing for free"

(strong FM Michael Baron, discussing the MCC Cup Weekender in the relevant thread here on chesschat)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"Nobody is offering me an appearance fee!"
What is worse: politically correct organizers offering free entry for WIMs but not for FMs, although the qualifications for FM are harder (≥2300 rating v. 2250 norms). It's even worse for zonal WIMs aka Weetbix-packet IMs, with an even lower standard than zonal FMs.

Grant Szuveges
07-09-2012, 02:05 AM
What is worse: politically correct organizers offering free entry for WIMs but not for FMs, although the qualifications for FM are harder (≥2300 rating v. 2250 norms). It's even worse for zonal WIMs aka Weetbix-packet IMs, with an even lower standard than zonal FMs.

Unfortunetely/fortunately (depends which way one looks at it), we live in a politically correct world where organisers feel that they have to toe the company line.....

and before anybody mentions it, the expression is not "tow the company line", it is actually "toe" not "tow"....

Capablanca-Fan
07-09-2012, 02:23 AM
Unfortunetely/fortunately (depends which way one looks at it), we live in a politically correct world where organisers feel that they have to toe the company line.....
An old post (http://chesschat.org/showpost.php?p=153769&postcount=272) showing that soft (i.e. zonal) WIMs achieved even lower standards than soft FMs.


and before anybody mentions it, the expression is not "tow the company line", it is actually "toe" not "tow"....
Glad to see you use the correct expression. One of the most irritating experiences I've had was using that in an article, and having some soi-disant editor "correct" it to "tow" then publishing it without checking with me.

Paul Cavezza
07-09-2012, 10:51 PM
WHAT THEY SAID:

"Box Hill C.C. is the premier suburban venue for Victorian adult and junior chess."

(Chess Ideas website: http://www.chessideas.com.au/pages/contact-us/links.php )

WHAT WE THINK THEY MEANT:

"Of course Melbourne Chess Club has more than double the number of members as BHCC does and has a much much stronger club championship, but lets not let the truth get in the way of a good story..."

David Beaumont is leading their club champs after 6 or 7 rounds... if he keeps this form up he'll be into the MCC top 20 before you can say "Strongest Suburban Club in Victoria." ;) :D

MichaelBaron
08-09-2012, 12:55 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

"While 2250 rated IMs get an appearance fee...2350-rated FMs at least have an option of disappearing for free"

(strong FM Michael Baron, discussing the MCC Cup Weekender in the relevant thread here on chesschat)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"Nobody is offering me an appearance fee!"
Absolutely!:clap:

Grant Szuveges
12-09-2012, 07:09 PM
WHAT HE SAID:

Welcome to the MCC quiz,

1. When "The Barry Attack" is mentioned FM Grant Szuveges is most likely to turn into:

a) Bruce Macavaney
b) A giggling school boy/girl
c) A fantastic example of the optimism bias

(MCC Seargeant at arms, Paul Cavezza - aka Pablito)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

I played the Barry Attack, played pretty well, won my opponent's queen and still managed to lose anyway - so I will divert attention away from my loss by saying something controversial about the Barry Attack's biggest fan at MCC!

Paul Cavezza
12-09-2012, 07:50 PM
Bruce!!

Kevin Bonham
25-09-2012, 12:17 PM
Posts moved

All BHCC bye saga posts moved to 2012 BHCCC thread (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=14122) to keep discussion in one place.

Narelle
25-09-2012, 06:36 PM
FM Grant Szuveges MCC President criticises the following comment Darryl made on the Chess Ideas website;
Box Hill Chess Club is the premier suburban venue for Victorian adult and junior chess.
Grant's comment
What we think he meant
Of course Melbourne Chess Club has more than double the number of members as Box Hill Chess Club does and has a much ,much stronger club championship but let's not let the truth get in the way of a good story.
What I think Grant meant
Darryl said BHCC was the premier SUBURBAN venue for chess in Victoria and as an intelligent, university educated person I'm quite capable of basic comprehension. I also know that being in Fitzroy MCC is an inner city chess club not a suburban one but I just can't resist the opportunity to have a dig at BHCC. Hopefully one (or more)of my followers at MCC will keep on insulting BHCC continually over this.

Paul Cavezza
25-09-2012, 06:51 PM
pft. jokers. regardless of geography the comment is obviously misleading and makes you question motivations for it being so. Which is particularly worrying given DJ's presence on CV.

Mr. Pawn
25-09-2012, 07:32 PM
pft. jokers. regardless of geography the comment is obviously misleading and makes you question motivations for it being so. Which is particularly worrying given DJ's presence on CV.

Narelle is right, plus I think you'd have a hard time saying that MCC is a better chess venue than BHCC. At no point do I see any mention of the notion of a club.

Grant Szuveges
25-09-2012, 09:14 PM
Narelle is right, plus I think you'd have a hard time saying that MCC is a better chess venue than BHCC. At no point do I see any mention of the notion of a club.

Well, I don't know what you think is important in a venue, but here is my view:

MCC: is in the heart of vibrant Fitzroy, 30 seconds walk from funky Brunswick St with numerous interesting cafes and pubs and the perfect opportunity for players to socialise and eat between rounds. It is 2 trams (Brunswick St and Nicholson St) on either side of it. It has a park with a playground 100 metres down the road for parents with kids, a Coles supermarket 2 minutes walk away and an IGA approx 1 minute walk. In the street behind the club, there is an artists market every weekend and the suburb itself is an interesting place which is enjoyable to be in...

BHCC: is in the Eastern suburbs with very little around it. There is a dull street with a few cafes 5 minutes walk away which are only open during the day. There is nothing at all to do in the area after dark.

People complain about parking at MCC, but every time I go to BHCC I find it more difficult to park there.

To my mind, Fitzroy is a much better place to play chess for the reasons listed above...

Grant Szuveges
25-09-2012, 09:18 PM
FM Grant Szuveges MCC President criticises the following comment Darryl made on the Chess Ideas website;
Box Hill Chess Club is the premier suburban venue for Victorian adult and junior chess.
Grant's comment
What we think he meant
Of course Melbourne Chess Club has more than double the number of members as Box Hill Chess Club does and has a much ,much stronger club championship but let's not let the truth get in the way of a good story.
What I think Grant meant
Darryl said BHCC was the premier SUBURBAN venue for chess in Victoria and as an intelligent, university educated person I'm quite capable of basic comprehension. I also know that being in Fitzroy MCC is an inner city chess club not a suburban one but I just can't resist the opportunity to have a dig at BHCC. Hopefully one (or more)of my followers at MCC will keep on insulting BHCC continually over this.

My criticism in that post is NOT directed at BHCC. It is directed at the Chess Ideas website and noone else. I completely stand by my comments on this.

Discussing the words "suburban" and "venue" is just pedantic. The spirit in which the sentence was written seems to imply that BHCC is the premier place in Victoria to play chess - which I believe that it is not.

Kevin Bonham
25-09-2012, 09:32 PM
The spirit in which the sentence was written seems to imply that BHCC is the premier place in Victoria to play chess[..]

I don't agree; I think the qualifier "suburban" is quite an important one. You could even say it is a compliment to MCC, since if they do not think there is at least one better venue (raising the question of where it is if so), then why do they only say "best suburban"?

Paul Cavezza
25-09-2012, 09:42 PM
ha ha ha ha come off it Kevin. You have to place it in the context. And yeah, the startling compliment of not mentioning us is quite a boon for the MCC. Cheers!

Grant Szuveges
25-09-2012, 09:55 PM
ha ha ha ha come off it Kevin. You have to place it in the context. And yeah, the startling compliment of not mentioning us is quite a boon for the MCC. Cheers!

While I see Kevin's point that the word "suburban" does suggest that there MIGHT be a better venue, I agree with your analysis of the situation. It is very easy to read what someone is really trying to say but having a look at what they DON'T mention rather than what they do mention. Watch for this next time you see a politician on tv.

Kevin Bonham
25-09-2012, 10:01 PM
WHAT HE SAID:


ha ha ha ha come off it Kevin. You have to place it in the context.

WHAT I THINK HE MEANT:

All statements by anyone who has anything to do with Box Hill must be interpreted as shots at MCC even if the context actually provides absolutely no reason for assuming such. :P

Context is here: http://www.chessideas.com.au/pages/contact-us/links.php

jammo
25-09-2012, 10:34 PM
Well, I don't know what you think is important in a venue, but here is my view:

BHCC: is in the Eastern suburbs with very little around it. There is a dull street with a few cafes 5 minutes walk away which are only open during the day. There is nothing at all to do in the area after dark.

To my mind, Fitzroy is a much better place to play chess for the reasons listed above...

Don't both mentioning the station 2 minutes away and that "dull street with a few cafes" is Maling Road which has a number of great cafes which I often travel for 30 mins to patronise. They even have a chocolate shop and there is some advantage being located in a suburb which does not have so many bums and drug addicts hanging around.

I recollect Edwin Mailitis once bemoaning that the biggest mistake the MCC ever made was moving to Fitzroy.

Each to their own.

Paul Cavezza
25-09-2012, 11:11 PM
Don't both mentioning the station 2 minutes away and that "dull street with a few cafes" is Maling Road which has a number of great cafes which I often travel for 30 mins to patronise. They even have a chocolate shop and there is some advantage being located in a suburb which does not have so many bums and drug addicts hanging around.

I recollect Edwin Mailitis once bemoaning that the biggest mistake the MCC ever made was moving to Fitzroy.

Each to their own.

haha you need to get out more mate. Brunswick St is far more up-market than it was 15 years ago, and in 5 years it'll be worse than St.Kilda in terms of being a posh hang-out for private school kids.

Grant Szuveges
25-09-2012, 11:21 PM
Don't both mentioning the station 2 minutes away and that "dull street with a few cafes" is Maling Road which has a number of great cafes which I often travel for 30 mins to patronise. They even have a chocolate shop and there is some advantage being located in a suburb which does not have so many bums and drug addicts hanging around.

I recollect Edwin Mailitis once bemoaning that the biggest mistake the MCC ever made was moving to Fitzroy.

Each to their own.

Gday Jammo

I will agree that in Edwin Malitis' day, Fitzroy was full of bums and drug addicts (I even knew most of them!) - however that was 15 years ago. Fitzroy is a totally different suburb these days and there is no way that bums and drug addicts can even afford it nowadays.... (that said, nor can a lot of chess players on that note). These days Fitzroy is basically full of yuppies in their designer sunglasses drinking cafe latte's!

I spend a lot of time in Fitzroy and (call me a yuppy/snob if you will but) I prefer it the way it is now - it has changed a lot (for the better) since the late 1990s (the Malitis era). Some people say it is pretentious now, but I think it is a nice area and has been able to adjust to its new, richer cliental without losing some of its Bohemian spirit....

And Jammo, you favourite "Cafe Nova" is still running! Come down and have a hot chocolate - and check out the newly renovated kitchen at MCC while you are at it (it will be finished tomorrow afternoon).

Basil
26-09-2012, 10:06 PM
When Grant discovered that ...
Vlad, upon paying his tournament entry fee asked about a writing implement, was told to go around the corner to a shop and buy one!

What he said:

I will also show the offender this thread and mention it to him. He is very good for our club but its fair to say that he is pretty blunt and not a 'people person' as such. That said, its in part because of his tightness with money that the MCC was able to survive in 2009. People dont realise how bad the financial situation of the club was in 2009 (we were 2 years away from permanantly closing the doors).

What we think he meant:
You got rammed, Vlad. This person was wrong and should be rebuked for it, and you should receive an apology from him. It's a flip of the coin as to whether I'll have cogliones to follow through with the clean-up.

Grant Szuveges
28-09-2012, 02:39 AM
When Grant discovered that ...
Vlad, upon paying his tournament entry fee asked about a writing implement, was told to go around the corner to a shop and buy one!

What he said:


What we think he meant:
You got rammed, Vlad. This person was wrong and should be rebuked for it, and you should receive an apology from him. It's a flip of the coin as to whether I'll have cogliones to follow through with the clean-up.

Not exactly sure what you mean by "the clean-up" but (without wanting to reveal too much about a private conversation which should be kept in-house), I did have a chat with him today...

Grant Szuveges
28-09-2012, 02:51 AM
I realise that this probably sounds very pedantic, but can people please start getting the format right when posting on this thread:

The proper format is to write the words "WHAT THEY SAID:" and "WHAT WE THINK THEY MEANT:" in bold and then the quote in quotation marks and then the person who said it in brackets.

I dont want to single anyone out here, but posts 128 and 116 (amongst many others) are examples of how not to do it. Post 124 is almost right - and in reality is quite acceptable. But have a look how I write mine consistently - thats the way to do it.

I really want this thread to be one of Australia's great threads - so lets all start getting the formatting right - we all look sloppy otherwise!

Basil
28-09-2012, 08:10 PM
What they said ...

I realise that this probably sounds very pedantic

What we think he meant ...

I realise that this probably sounds very pedantic

Paul Cavezza
28-09-2012, 08:18 PM
:lol:

Grant Szuveges
21-11-2012, 12:35 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

"Why? The vote was held. Your motion lost. Time to move on."

(Alex, owner of the other forum, when discussing Article 8.2 on the relevent thread on that forum)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"I really know nothing about the issue that is being discussed here and I know nothing about the historical context of it or even the current environment in which the issue is being discussed. It isnt even an issue affecting me or the state of Australia that I live in. I have nothing sensible or intelligent to contribute to this discussion whatsoever. But I like the online equivelent to hearing my own voice far too much to say nothing, so I will just contribute something pointless and stupid to the discussion."

MichaelBaron
21-11-2012, 11:23 PM
What they Said about by criticism of the Oz kids performances at the world youth:

Are you sure that ain't don your joy killer hat?

Actually the kids did great, they gained the experience of an international tournament, they made new friends and I am sure they enjoyed their time there!

And ABOVE all, they represented the Green and Gold of Australia, a honour for life and something none will ever take away from them!

What they meant is:
Our ''fair dinkum'' auzzie kids had fun and thats cool! Let them ''take it easy'' and simply enjoy!

ER
22-11-2012, 12:04 AM
OK let's put some order here! :)

To Peter Parr's announcing his article on the World Youth Championships in Slovenia I replied:


Thanks Peter, I think our team did quite well so congratulations to the young lady and the young gentlemen of our team!

What I meant was: Thanks Peter, I think our team did quite well so congratulations to the young lady and the young gentlemen of our team!

Then Adamski joined in quoting my statement:


Ditto from me. Well done!

Now we have Michael's first contribution:


I think I will allow myself to to put on the hat of an ''anti-hero'' once again and claim that overall - the team has actually done badly!
Loh -11
Dale -44
Liu +7
R.Willathg. -19
K. Willathg. -12

Total = - 79

Other than Liu, everyone else performed clearly below the expected rating.


To which I replied quoting Michael's text:


Are you sure that ain't don your joy killer hat?

Actually the kids did great, they gained the experience of an international tournament, they made new friends and I am sure they enjoyed their time there!

And ABOVE all, they represented the Green and Gold of Australia, a honour for life and something none will ever take away from them!

BTW how come you left Sophie out of your threnodic list?

She won us 4 pts!


Pax followed up with the killjoy theme quoting Michael's text:


Thanks for that killjoy comment on kids who have just spent enormous effort and time representing their country to the best of their ability. Rating performances are notoriously variable at junior events, especially in the U12 categories.

I congratulate all the participants and their parents for their dedication and sacrifice to compete in a tough event.


Michael puts on his "I congratulate them too, but ... !" hat now!


I congratulate them on the effort too: on dedication, sacrifice etc. but one needs to learn from mistakes. Those playing for China, Russia, India etc also made sacrifices to get there. In Russia, they've already published several articles discussing performance of the kids where those who did well are being praized and those who did not do so well get some hints how to improve their performance next time around. Learning from mistakes is essential for one's self-improvement!


Then he ends up with selectively trying to put words in my mouth without even trying to quote properly! :) :D

MichaelBaron
22-11-2012, 12:43 AM
The point is it was a bad result...you can encourage/discourage the kids but the result speaks for itself.

For those readers who are fluent in Russian, here is the example of how a team's performance should be analyzed: http://www.chesspro.ru/details/maribor

And by the way, the purpose of the report is not only to show how ''great'' the young boys and girls are - but even more importantly to help those who did badly learn from the mistakes.

ER
22-11-2012, 01:58 AM
Michael, I think it's unfair to call our team's result "bad" if you bothered to take under consideration the conditions under which these kids prepared for this major event, travelled there from the other end of the world and did their best to perform.

There is nothing nationalistic about my approach, as you tried to imply in your "what they said what we think their meant" posting.

They played against the elite of the sport who, as Konstantin Sakaev states in your suggested article, will be of world champion strength in the years to come.

Also don't forget that you are talking about Russia here, a nation with such rich history in chess development and achievements, comparing it with Australia where the prevailant attitude is that chess is just a board game like monopoly or scrabble.

The grandmaster, second in matches and preparation to some of the best in the world who is also a leading personality in Russia's chess teaching is expected to be in position to criticise the Russian team both collectively as well as individually!

You don't expect me to apply such criticism to our kids (some of) which are strong enough to give me knight and move and still beat me in a chess game.

But, I think our last exchange goes beyond the scope of this thread and I would ask the mods to transfer it back to the original thread.

Additionally, I believe that you should mention Kathy Rogers' great photographs in Sakaev's article! As usual she did a great job capturing the youngsters moments of concentration and celebration! :clap:

Also look how happy Kasparov looks while celebrating Russia's success!!!

Desmond
22-11-2012, 06:40 AM
... to help those who did badly learn from the mistakes.
Performance rating is not relevant to whether or not one can learn from mistakes made. If I am an 1800-player and perform 20 points over my rating does it mean I cannot learn anything? Even if I win all games it does not mean I made no mistakes and cannot learn anything. Everyone can and should analyse their games and learn from them. Win or lose.

MichaelBaron
22-11-2012, 08:51 AM
Performance rating is not relevant to whether or not one can learn from mistakes made. If I am an 1800-player and perform 20 points over my rating does it mean I cannot learn anything? Even if I win all games it does not mean I made no mistakes and cannot learn anything. Everyone can and should analyse their games and learn from them. Win or lose.

This is true, so does it mean we should just look at a ''not so great'' perfromance and say well done, just because we always say well done and we are proud of someone just getting there! One needs to assess his performance critically - this is the secret to improvement! Look at those who won medals - How many of them come from countries that enjoy saying ''well done'' irrespectively of performance :)

WhiteElephant
22-11-2012, 09:45 AM
LOL of all the ridiculous things to criticise - Australia's sporting culture and performance - we are consistently performing above our weight in most sports given our relative population. One of those reasons is our focus on success and saying 'well done'. We have to put realistic expectations on our team, we don't have a history of 100 years of massive government funding of chess like Russia does. There are steps towards becoming the best. We are doing it in soccer and we are doing it in chess. Armchair put downs of our team and comparisons to Russia are counterproductive.

Desmond
22-11-2012, 01:05 PM
This is true, so does it mean we should just look at a ''not so great'' perfromance and say well done, just because we always say well done and we are proud of someone...I think it is entirely appropriate to give someone a pat on the back. No one bombed out here - all performances were within a short range of rating.


One needs to assess his performance critically - this is the secret to improvement! No doubt the players and their coaches have this under control regardless of your "input".

Lekko
25-11-2012, 08:51 AM
What they meant is:
Our ''fair dinkum'' auzzie kids had fun and thats cool! Let them ''take it easy'' and simply enjoy!
What's wrong with that?

MichaelBaron
25-11-2012, 09:29 AM
What's wrong with that?
This is not a way to improve! Other than that - nothing is wrong :)

samantha
25-11-2012, 10:50 PM
Michael,what do you feel would be the right course to improve Australia's Junior/collective chess strength?

MichaelBaron
26-11-2012, 01:57 AM
Michael,what do you feel would be the right course to improve Australia's Junior/collective chess strength?

Hi, Daryl
The first step would be to ensure that our top junior players are provided with opportunities to study chess 8-12 hours of a week under the supervision of the top coaches such as yourself, Ian Rogers etc.

While, in Russia I was never one of the top junior players - yet I was provided with free coaching (paid for by state) and so were many others! Despite the fact that Russia is now a ''capitalist'' country - there is still free chess coaching provided! There are also many other countries (Armenia, India, China, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Germany, Israel, Turkey, Georgia to name a few) where junior players are being looked after.

As a result, not only do these countries have top level professional players, but they also have a lot of strong amateurs who started playing chess while at school and have been playing ever since.

As for my post, about our kids' performance at the World Juniors.
1) I was not trying to put them down, but I find it ridiculous when people are being congratulated on not so great performances.
2) ''Take it easy'' is not a way to achieve anything in sport! Chinese or Indian or Russian or Polish kids will not travel to Slovenia because it is a ''beautiful country'' - in fact they may have not so much time for sightseeing as they will focus on their play!
3) State-funded coaching and other kinds of assistance appear to be difficult to obtain in Australia for now but the changes in attitude towards one's performance are not about money or other kinds of resources! They are about desire to succeed as opposed to ''taking it easy''.

It is no secret that many of our top junior players come from an Asian background. I wonder why? Is it because of their work and study ethics? You do not go to world juniors for sightseeing!

P.S. On a lighter note: I sometimes watch my dad playing blitz with his Russian friends (same age as him and they also never played a single tournament in their lives). Even these guys play no weaker than Kaplan or Beattie :)!

Lekko
26-11-2012, 07:25 PM
This is not a way to improve! Other than that - nothing is wrong :)
If they don't find chess fun then they shouldn't be playing it.

MichaelBaron
26-11-2012, 11:09 PM
If they don't find chess fun then they shouldn't be playing it.
You can have fun while trying to get better. One does not contradict the other :)

Hobbes
31-12-2013, 10:48 AM
WHAT HE SAID:

"Translation: I'll ignore the discussion and give up trying to assimilating any alternative points of view and simply restate my a priori position."

(Rincewind, replying to the Baron on 'Special Rules for GMs' thread)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"I'll ignore the discussion and give up trying to assimilating any alternative points of view and simply restate my a priori position."

Rincewind
31-12-2013, 02:57 PM
WHAT HE SAID:

"Translation: I'll ignore the discussion and give up trying to assimilating any alternative points of view and simply restate my a priori position."

(Rincewind, replying to the Baron on 'Special Rules for GMs' thread)

WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT:

"I'll ignore the discussion and give up trying to assimilating any alternative points of view and simply restate my a priori position."

Please. Read Michael's post again and tell me if any part of it is honest. It is the most dismissive piece of crap I've read for a while and that includes Hobbes' post above.