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ER
10-09-2010, 01:27 PM
2011 Oceania Seniors' Championship

TO BE HELD AT
BOX HILL CHESS CLUB


Playing dates: From Friday 05.08.2011 to Monday 8.08.2011

Rd1 2.30 PM Friday.
Rd 2 9.30 AM Saturday
Rd 3 2.30 PM Saturday
Rd 4 9.30 AM Sunday
Rd 5 2.30 PM Sunday
Rd 6 9.30 AM Monday
RD 7 2.30 PM Monday

Ratings FIDE and ACF rated.

Entry Fees $60
Free entry for Grand masters and International Masters.
Present age limits; 60 for men 55 for women
Venue Box Hill Chess Club at 3 Rochester Road Canterbury.

MichaelBaron
10-09-2010, 03:37 PM
Yay, now its in Melbourne. Lets see if Brian can win again when up against Rujevic and Hamilton ;). Go, Victoria!

Publicist
20-11-2010, 07:29 PM
Brian Jones the president of the Oceania Zone has allocated the 2011 tournament to the Box Hill Chess Club.
Playing dates: From Friday 05.08.2011 to Monday 8.08.2011
Rd1, 2.30 PM Friday. Rd 2, 9.30 AM. Rd 3, 2.30 PM Saturday
Rd 4, 9.30 AM Rd 5 2.30 PM Sunday Rd 6, 9.30 AM Rd 7, 2.30 PM Monday
Ratings FIDE and ACF rated.
Prize Fund: $1000
Entry Fees: $60
Free entry for Grand masters and International Masters.
Ag limits: 60 for men 55 for women as at 01.01. 2011
Venue Box Hill Chess Club at 3 Rochester Road Canterbury.
Winners: one winner of the mens' tournament and one winner of the womens' tournament qualifies for free accommodation at the World Seniors Championship in Opatija Croatia 14-27 November 2011.

Brian_Jones
21-11-2010, 07:41 AM
Age limits: 60 for men 50 for women as at 01.01.2011

ER
21-11-2010, 07:58 AM
Age limits: 60 for men 50 for women as at 01.01.2011

hehe I am yet to see a woman over 30 let alone over 50! :P

Publicist
21-11-2010, 09:27 AM
That was an uncharacteristic sexist remark Elliott. I hope Marieke Van Dijk was not offended. I am counting on her to play

ER
21-11-2010, 12:22 PM
That was an uncharacteristic sexist remark Elliott. I hope Marieke Van Dijk was not offended. I am counting on her to play

Wasn't intended to be so! :) (sexist)! Marieke looks young and even younger everytime I see her. I will be very happy to see her and play against her in Melbourne this time. The last three - four times we 've met it was either in Ballarat or Canberra! She played against us in the current Interclub, but she was paired against Tim!

MichaelBaron
21-11-2010, 12:55 PM
hehe I am yet to see a woman over 30 let alone over 50! :P
Jak, Its no good if they do not 'see" you...but its surprising that you do not see them :)

ER
21-11-2010, 04:11 PM
Jak, Its no good if they do not 'see" you...but its surprising that you do not see them :)

:lol:

Brian_Jones
22-11-2010, 07:35 AM
Vivian Smith from New Zealand may play.

Also there many female seniors outside Victoria! :)

Brian_Jones
10-01-2011, 11:15 AM
Entry form and accommodation list should be available in February 2011.

Publicist
26-01-2011, 02:34 PM
A few very early bird entries
1. Jones, Brian A pd 1968
2. Korenevski, Oleg QLD 1679
3. Flude, David A VIC 1526
4. Renzies, Elliott VIC 1298

Brian_Jones
10-03-2011, 12:01 PM
Information and entry form available at http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2011/e1108sozc/event.htm

Davidflude
17-03-2011, 08:52 AM
Flyers were distributed at the Begonia tournament. Several people expressed interest.

Remember there are no under rated juniors to steal your ratings.

Brian_Jones
17-03-2011, 12:01 PM
Lovejoy and Voon have now entered!

Publicist
13-04-2011, 05:38 PM
The player is allowed to a participate senior (women senior) competition if he (she)
will be at least 60 years (50 years) old during the year of the competition.
For example, in the year 2011

In a senior competition players who were born in 1951 or earlier are allowed to
participate, in a women senior competition female players born 1961 or earlier.

Publicist
16-04-2011, 04:05 PM
With the entry of David Ellis the entry list has risen sharply from 7 to 8. Here is the list in rating order:
1. Ellis, David 2026
2. Jones, Brian A 2017
3. Voon, Richard 1878
4. Lovejoy, David 1869
5. Korenevski, Oleg 1757
6. Flude, David A 1670
7. Cooper, Nigel 1579
8. Renzies, Elliott 1369

ER
16-04-2011, 10:34 PM
Hi Captain
Since not all the potential participants read the forum, I think it would be suggested to send some flyers to the clubs having competions so they can distribute them and also make announcements.
I will ask the guys down at Noble Park to make announcements in the duration of the NBCC Open!

Publicist
14-05-2011, 04:26 PM
With the entry of Bruce Gloistein the second New Zealand entrant and the verbal entry of FM Doug Hamilton the list has now blown out to 10. By the way we will be organising a pick up and delivbery service to and from the motels noted on the web site www.boxhillchess.org.au. Here is the up to date entry list.
1. Hamilton, Douglas G 2114
2. Ellis, David 2026
3. Jones, Brian A 2017
4. Voon, Richard 1878
5. Lovejoy, David 1869
6. Korenevski, Oleg 1757
7. Flude, David A 1670
8. Cooper, Nigel 1579
9. Gloistein, Bruce 1513
10. Renzies, Elliott 1369

Publicist
16-05-2011, 05:36 AM
While visiting the Vic teams competition venue, I received yet another verbal entry for the senior zonal; this time from IM Mirko Rujevic who now becomes the highest rated player on the list. Then as I was leaving there was a verbal entry fom Ven Sandler via the CV president who told me that his dad was taking secret lessons so he could match Mirko. I think I need to get around more. Here is the latest list:
1. Rujevic, Mirko 2314
2. Hamilton, Douglas G 2114
3. Ellis, David 2026
4. Jones, Brian A 2017
5. Voon, Richard 1878
6. Lovejoy, David 1869
7. Korenevski, Oleg 1757
8. Sandler, Veniamin 1685
9. Flude, David A 1670
10. Cooper, Nigel 1579
11. Gloistein, Bruce 1513
12. Renzies, Elliott 1369

Brian_Jones
16-05-2011, 02:51 PM
Last year in Christchurch NZ the organisers of the Oceania Seniors Championship gave away a bottle of wine as an upset prize each round.

Do we have somebody at Box Hill Chess Club who can donate seven bottles of wine?

ER
16-05-2011, 03:33 PM
Pending Captain's approval I nominate myself! (wine of my choice though)!

Publicist
16-05-2011, 09:16 PM
I would like to be consulted. We can do better than some of this New Zealand stuff.

ER
16-05-2011, 10:00 PM
I would like to be consulted. We can do better than some of this New Zealand stuff.

You are on captain, but let's assure our Kiwi friends that if the round winners prefer milkshakes instead of the hard stuff, they can provide the dairy products! :P

Publicist
21-05-2011, 01:01 PM
The sponsorship of the Asian Chess federation [ACF] will allow us to increase the prize fund to $1500 and extend the pick-up and delivery to all participants staying in the recommended accommodation. Now there is an ACF for you.

Brian_Jones
05-06-2011, 10:39 AM
Do we have any more entries for the 2011 Oceania Seniors?

See www.oceaniachess.com for more information on the Oceania Chess Confederation (OCC)

Publicist
05-06-2011, 11:59 AM
This is the latest list: Entries are moving slowly
1. Rujevic, Mirko 2314
2. Hamilton, Douglas G 2114
3. Ellis, David 2026
4. Jones, Brian A 2017
5. Voon, Richard 1878
6. Lovejoy, David 1869
7. Korenevski, Oleg 1757
8. Sandler, Veniamin 1685
9. Flude, David A 1670
10. Cooper, Nigel 1579
11. Gloistein, Bruce 1513
12. Renzies, Elliott 1369

Davidflude
05-06-2011, 12:27 PM
Great to see that Bruce Gloistein is playing. I have not seen him for over thirty years. Come on you kiwis. Get your entries in.

Brian_Jones
05-06-2011, 12:28 PM
Are you using up-to-date ratings Gerry? ACF or FIDE? Should use FIDE because we have overseas players!

Why is the website behind?
See http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2011/e1108sozc/entries.htm

Publicist
05-06-2011, 12:35 PM
Been a bit behind because of the Vic Open preparation New ratings will be entered. Rankings for the tournament will be in FIDE ratings

Publicist
16-06-2011, 01:36 PM
The small band of participants is here in FIDE rating order and with the new ACF ratings:
]No Name Rtg Loc

1. Rujevic, Mirko 2306 2301
2. Hamilton, Douglas G 2182 2051
3. Jones, Brian A 2069 2017
4. Ellis, David 2034 2008
5. Lovejoy, David 1952 1830
6. Voon, Richard 1921 1859
7. Korenevski, Oleg 1918 1757
8. Flude, David A 1814 1713
9. Cooper, Nigel 1772 1579
10. Renzies, Elliott 1666 1419
11. Sandler, Veniamin 1685
12. Gloistein, Bruce 1513[/FONT][/FONT]

Publicist
09-07-2011, 03:53 PM
After some anxious moments we have finally decided on the prize fund
Here are the individual prizes:
First $500,
Second $300
Third $200
best 70 and over $100
Best 80 and over $100
Best 90 and over $100
Best female player $100
Bottle of wine for the biggest upset win in each round
There must be at least 2 players in each category to be able to claim the prize

Brian_Jones
13-07-2011, 02:38 PM
Seniors entries now up to 15.

See http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2011/e1108sozc/entries.htm

WFM Viv Smith (NZL) is the first female entrant.

Brian_Jones
23-07-2011, 10:24 AM
There are 19 entries on the website:

1. Rujevic, Mirko VIC 2306 2301 im
2. Hamilton, Douglas G pd 2182 2051 fm
3. Jones, Brian A pd 2069 2017 fm
4. Dowling, John OS 2048 2009
5. Ellis, David WA 2034 2008
6. Lovejoy, David QLD 1952 1830
7. Voon, Richard pd 1921 1859
8. Korenevski, Oleg QLD 1918 1757
9. Flude, David A VIC 1814 1713
10. Smith, Vivian OS 1787 1632 female
11. Cooper, Nigel OS 1772 1579
12. Renzies, Elliott VIC 1666 1419
13. Brodzky, Leonid VIC 1760
14. Sandler, Veniamin VIC 1685
15. Mollard, Max J pd 1620
16. Gloistein, Bruce pd 1513
17. Hesketh, Bruce PNG 1414
18. Langer, John VIC 1271
19. Mills, Terence pd 582

Plus Bill Egan, Mike Canfell, Paul Glissan makes 22 so far!

lost
23-07-2011, 04:04 PM
There are 19 entries on the website:

1. Rujevic, Mirko VIC 2306 2301 im
2. Hamilton, Douglas G pd 2182 2051 fm
3. Jones, Brian A pd 2069 2017 fm
4. Dowling, John OS 2048 2009
5. Ellis, David WA 2034 2008
6. Lovejoy, David QLD 1952 1830
7. Voon, Richard pd 1921 1859
8. Korenevski, Oleg QLD 1918 1757
9. Flude, David A VIC 1814 1713
10. Smith, Vivian OS 1787 1632 female
11. Cooper, Nigel OS 1772 1579
12. Renzies, Elliott VIC 1666 1419
13. Brodzky, Leonid VIC 1760
14. Sandler, Veniamin VIC 1685
15. Mollard, Max J pd 1620
16. Gloistein, Bruce pd 1513
17. Hesketh, Bruce PNG 1414
18. Langer, John VIC 1271
19. Mills, Terence pd 582

Plus Bill Egan, Mike Canfell, Paul Glissan makes 22 so far!

Just a quick question: John Dowling is registered to USA on the FIDE website. Will he be allowed to represent Oceania if he wins the championship at all?

lost

Brian_Jones
23-07-2011, 04:25 PM
Just a quick question: John Dowling is registered to USA on the FIDE website. Will he be allowed to represent Oceania if he wins the championship at all?

lost

YES. It is a Presidential decision! ;)

Adamski
23-07-2011, 05:48 PM
YES. It is a Presidential decision! ;)
Yes, there have to be some perks of being President of the OCC!

ER
23-07-2011, 07:35 PM
YES. It is a Presidential decision! ;)

go prez! :) :clap:

Bill Gletsos
24-07-2011, 06:29 PM
YES. It is a Presidential decision! ;)Are you sure that FIDE will permit a player to represent a Zone if that player is not a member of a Federation that is part of that Zone?

Kevin Bonham
24-07-2011, 06:42 PM
FIDE have sped up the transfers process - see http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook?id=19&view=category . So if he does win it might be possible to transfer him in time.

MIRKO
24-07-2011, 07:38 PM
There must be some mistake how can Elliot Renzies play in this tournament he is not over 60,the man doesn't look over 50!!!check his birth certificate..

ER
24-07-2011, 09:23 PM
There must be some mistake how can Elliot Renzies play in this tournament he is not over 60,the man doesn't look over 50!!!check his birth certificate..

LOL thanks for that son! :D Drinks on me whenever I see you again up in Gold Coast! Unfortunately, I cant do the Gold Coast Open gig this year because of the Australian Champs to be held in Geelong Vic. I am sure that Amir will organise something else though! Cheers and best regards to the young tiger, how is he going with school, chess etc?

Brian_Jones
25-07-2011, 11:00 AM
Are you sure that FIDE will permit a player to represent a Zone if that player is not a member of a Federation that is part of that Zone?

There is no consideration of a transfer. John Dowling is a USA player, currently living in Melbourne, and he has not requested a transfer.

I have allowed him to play because he currently lives in Melbourne.

If he wins (or even if he is the highest placed player) and wants to go to Croatia then I will personally nominate him for the free accommodation in the 2011 World Seniors Championship.

This is not a Zonal and is not part of any World Championship cycle. ;)

ER
25-07-2011, 12:45 PM
There is no consideration of a transfer. John Dowling is a USA player, currently living in Melbourne, and he has not requested a transfer.

I have allowed him to play because he currently lives in Melbourne.

If he wins (or even if he is the highest placed player) and wants to go to Croatia then I will personally nominate him for the free accommodation in the 2011 World Seniors Championship.

This is not a Zonal and is not part of any World Championship cycle. ;)

You tell 'em Prez! :clap: :P

peter_parr
25-07-2011, 01:35 PM
Are you sure that FIDE will permit a player to represent a Zone if that player is not a member of a Federation that is part of that Zone?

There is no consideration of a transfer. John Dowling is a USA player, currently living in Melbourne, and he has not requested a transfer.
I have allowed him to play because he currently lives in Melbourne.
If he wins (or even if he is the highest placed player) and wants to go to Croatia then I will personally nominate him for the free accommodation in the 2011 World Seniors Championship.
This is not a Zonal and is not part of any World Championship cycle. ;)

The decision of the zone president Brian Jones is incorrect and against FIDE regulations.

Why does the zone president conclude that a FIDE rated player registered with the USA cannot play in the Oceania Zonal but can play in the Oceania

Seniors and represent Oceania in the World Seniors?
What does the ACF, NZ etc think about such a decision – with no consultation.

Zone presidents are required to comply with the FIDE statutes.

Firstly the only players permitted to play in an official zone tournament must be registered by FIDE as a person from an affiliated federation in that zone.

Secondly no players registered with USA is permitted to represent Oceania in a world FIDE event. Similarly FIDE does not allow Australian players in the European Seniors championship.

Thirdly – Surely common sense must tell anyone that a player registered by FIDE as USA cannot possibly represent Oceania.

Fourthly has the zone president consulted any other Oceania reps for their opinion before making this outrageous decision. It must be reversed – immediately!

We do not want another judgement against an Australian by the FIDE Ethics Commission.

Btw The decision of the zone president to hold the women’s zonal play-off in

Australia was also incorrect.
FIDE regulations must be followed from the FIDE handbook on the FIDE web site.

All players were permitted to use mobile phones during a recent FIDE event in Australia that the zone President played in – sad but true!

heligan
25-07-2011, 01:56 PM
NZCF is considering the matter - it will probably be discussed at the next Council meeting. No official response here, for the time being!

Meanwhile I quote the regulations for the 2011 World Seniors:
"The organizer shall provide free board and lodging (single rooms with bath and/or shower) for at least one
player of each zone, providing that the registration of such a player is received by September 30, 2011,
and the defending champion. The Presidents of each Zone are entitled to nominate the hosted players
from their Zone."

...which would appear to state that the nominated player must be from the appropriate zone...

Bill Gletsos
25-07-2011, 02:03 PM
There is no consideration of a transfer. John Dowling is a USA player, currently living in Melbourne, and he has not requested a transfer.

I have allowed him to play because he currently lives in Melbourne.

If he wins (or even if he is the highest placed player) and wants to go to Croatia then I will personally nominate him for the free accommodation in the 2011 World Seniors Championship.

This is not a Zonal and is not part of any World Championship cycle. ;)All irrelevant. A player representing a Zone must be a member of a Federation within that Zone.

The USA Federation is not part of the Oceania Zone, hence anyone registered with FIDE under the USA is not eligible to represent the Oceania Zone.

heligan
25-07-2011, 02:31 PM
I've been asked to draw your attention to the FIDE Handbook, Section C5, Registration, Transfer & Rules of Eligibility for Participation in FIDE Events, and specifically to item 3 in that section - as the Seniors is presumably an official FIDE event.
The link is
http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=19&view=category

Brian_Jones
25-07-2011, 02:32 PM
;)
All irrelevant. A player representing a Zone must be a member of a Federation within that Zone.

Where do the FIDE Statutes say that?

What about players from New Caledonia, French Polynesia, Guam, Marshall Islands, Cook Islands? These countries can all play in the Pacific Games?

At this stage the argument is hypothetical. But why no earlier objection to Vineetha Wijesuriya playing in Rotorua? What if she had won the Women's Zonal?

I always find it interesting how we find ways to stop people playing chess! ;)

Brian_Jones
25-07-2011, 02:52 PM
I've been asked to draw your attention to the FIDE Handbook, Section C5, Registration, Transfer & Rules of Eligibility for Participation in FIDE Events, and specifically to item 3 in that section - as the Seniors is presumably an official FIDE event.
The link is
http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=19&view=category

OK I am reading the following:

3.2.2 Players with personal right of entry (such as FIDE rating or qualification from another event) or nominees (such as by the President or Organiser) may, in the absence of an entry by the Federation, enter himself directly into such competition, provided that the player shall be personally liable for any financial obligations to FIDE in respect of such entry.

****The nominee is __________________________

heligan
25-07-2011, 03:00 PM
If you recall, I did point out at the time that Vineetha was ineligible. The FIDE Office in Elista confirmed that she was ineligible under the transfer rules that applied when she transferred, but stated that the Asian Continental President could declare her eligible. She was therefore permitted to play in the Zonal in Rotorua. Note that she had already transferred from Sri Lanka to Australia, but had not served the 10-month term between transferring and playing for her new federation.

The new transfer rules allow for instant transfer, subject to approval from both federations, and some money changing hands.

MichaelBaron
25-07-2011, 03:28 PM
I can recall cases of foreigners playing in the Aus Championships and Victorian Championships. However, there were not eligible for the titles etc.

Therefore, I see no problem with Dowling playing. However, even if he wins - nominating him as an official representative makes no sense. He should get the prize money but not the representation rights.

For those of you who can read Russian there has been a Court Case!!!! (http://www.chess-news.ru/node/2176) between GM Sveshnikov (who happens to have dual citizenship) and is listed on the Fide rating list for Latvia and the Russian Chess Federation. For those who are not fluent in Russian ;) : In a nutshell, Sveshnikov (who is also a Russian citizen) was arguing his right to play in the national senior championship and to compete (and he was making it very clear that that was his major reason for competing) for the free board at the world seniors. However, his application to enter the tournament was rejected and he also happened to lose the Court Case.

Bill Gletsos
25-07-2011, 05:06 PM
OK I am reading the following:

3.2.2 Players with personal right of entry (such as FIDE rating or qualification from another event) or nominees (such as by the President or Organiser) may, in the absence of an entry by the Federation, enter himself directly into such competition, provided that the player shall be personally liable for any financial obligations to FIDE in respect of such entry.

****The nominee is __________________________Actually I believe you will find that entry into the World Seniors is by Federation, not Zone.
The President of each Zone may nominate one player from his Zone who will receive free board and lodging.

It makes absolutely no sense that the President of a Zone can nominate a player from a Federation outside his Zone.


You should also note 3.3
3.3 Eligibility

3.3.1 A player is eligible to participate in official FIDE competitions and qualifies to represent a Federation at any time only if he or she is registered under that Federation.

Clearly Dowling can only represent the USA Federation (i.e. USCF) and not any Oceania Federation.

Rincewind
25-07-2011, 06:35 PM
For those of you who can read Russian there has been a Court Case!!!! (http://www.chess-news.ru/node/2176) between GM Sveshnikov (who happens to have dual citizenship) and is listed on the Fide rating list for Latvia and the Russian Chess Federation. For those who are not fluent in Russian ;) : In a nutshell, Sveshnikov (who is also a Russian citizen) was arguing his right to play in the national senior championship and to compete (and he was making it very clear that that was his major reason for competing) for the free board at the world seniors. However, his application to enter the tournament was rejected and he also happened to lose the Court Case.

Michael, what is the date on the court case? Just wondering as I seem to remember that GM Sveshnikov has won the World Seniors.

ER
25-07-2011, 06:51 PM
I thought the court case which he lost had to do with his persistence to move to Moscow from another city but that was years ago, he couldn't be eligible to play geriatrics tournaments then. After all he is about the same age (give or take a year or so) with Anatoly Karpov! Then again it might have been another court case, I am not sure!

MichaelBaron
26-07-2011, 01:24 AM
Michael, what is the date on the court case? Just wondering as I seem to remember that GM Sveshnikov has won the World Seniors.
It has taken place this year.

ER
26-07-2011, 01:40 AM
This was the case I was talking about!


In 1985, Sveshnikov split from his first wife. He had wanted to move to Moscow, but was refused a residence permit. He was told that it was because he had the two young daughters, who would then be entited to move to Moscow with him. The police chief told him: "If they both drop dead, you can have a permit". Sveshnikov challenged the decision through the courts, all the way to the Supreme Court, but failed to overtun the decision. His daughters remained in Chelyabinsk with his first wife.

A very interesting article about his life in here:

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6124

I love the pic in which the arbiters call on the crowd to shut up during a crucial stage of the game Tahl vs Sveshnikov!!! Tahl is smiling broadly because he managed to get a draw!

Brian_Jones
26-07-2011, 08:51 AM
It makes absolutely no sense that the President of a Zone can nominate a player from a Federation outside his Zone..

I agree with you at present.

But we must look towards the future. New Caledonia and French Polynesia are clearly part of the Oceania Zone and may become Associate Members. Its players will be registered with France. But will we always deny them opportunities in Oceania?

Remember that GM Ray Robson was born in Guam.

The world is a changing place and Australia/NZ must adapt within Oceania, Asia and FIDE!

heligan
26-07-2011, 10:23 AM
Players who are registered with France are not eligible to play in the Oceania Zonal, or to represent the Oceania Zone. They are entitled to play in the European Zonal and to represent the European Zone. This isn't going to change unless FIDE allows countries like New Caledonia to register for FIDE as separate entities (like the portions of the UK which are currently separate FIDE members). As far as I'm aware, FIDE has no intention of allowing this. If the Pacific Games includes chess, then countries like New Caledonia can take part in that - but that is not Oceania (or FIDE), and Australia and New Zealand are not eligible to take part in any sport in the Pacific Games...

Bill Gletsos
26-07-2011, 11:14 AM
I agree with you at present.

But we must look towards the future. New Caledonia and French Polynesia are clearly part of the Oceania Zone and may become Associate Members. Its players will be registered with France. But will we always deny them opportunities in Oceania?

Remember that GM Ray Robson was born in Guam.

The world is a changing place and Australia/NZ must adapt within Oceania, Asia and FIDE!All well and good but you must follow the FIDE regulations.

As they currently stand Dowling cannot represent Oceania if he is registered with FIDE as USA, just like players from Oceania countries cannot if they are registered with FIDE as France.

Garvinator
26-07-2011, 11:25 AM
For all the froth and blather going on, I wonder if the ACF will really make a formal, on the record complaint about this. I doubt it.

Brian_Jones
26-07-2011, 11:43 AM
For all the froth and blather going on, I wonder if the ACF will really make a formal, on the record complaint about this. I doubt it.

What is there to complain about? This discussion is hypothetical and John Dowling already accepts that be cannot represent Oceania at the World Seniors. Therefore all we are talking about is my authority to potentially nominate players registered with Federations from outside the Zone.

I will discuss this further with FIDE.

OCC members will see the specific proposals in the draft OCC regulations to be published shortly.

Brian_Jones
26-07-2011, 12:59 PM
Entries to 2011 Seniors Championship at Box Hill Melbourne is now up to 24 with recent entries from Phil Viner and Paul Dunn.

Denis_Jessop
26-07-2011, 01:28 PM
For all the froth and blather going on, I wonder if the ACF will really make a formal, on the record complaint about this. I doubt it.

You are an ACF Councillor, Garvin, and there is a Council meeting on Sunday so take it away, man, if you feel inclined. :)

DJ

Kevin Bonham
26-07-2011, 05:05 PM
For all the froth and blather going on, I wonder if the ACF will really make a formal, on the record complaint about this. I doubt it.

It doesn't seem to be an ACF matter unless a situation arises in which the player concerned wins the event and an Australian player is deprived of an opportunity as a result.

By the way I take "President" in 3.2.2 to be a reference to the FIDE President.

Metro
26-07-2011, 10:47 PM
Brian Jones the president of the Oceania Zone has allocated the 2011 tournament to the Box Hill Chess Club.
Playing dates: From Friday 05.08.2011 to Monday 8.08.2011
Rd1, 2.30 PM Friday. Rd 2, 9.30 AM. Rd 3, 2.30 PM Saturday
Rd 4, 9.30 AM Rd 5 2.30 PM Sunday Rd 6, 9.30 AM Rd 7, 2.30 PM Monday
Ratings FIDE and ACF rated.
Prize Fund: $1000
Entry Fees: $60
Free entry for Grand masters and International Masters.
Ag limits: 60 for men 55 for women as at 01.01. 2011
Venue Box Hill Chess Club at 3 Rochester Road Canterbury.
Winners: one winner of the mens' tournament and one winner of the womens' tournament qualifies for free accommodation at the World Seniors Championship in Opatija Croatia 14-27 November 2011.
Lovely prize for Mirko,should he win.I don't see any mention of the time control.

heligan
27-07-2011, 07:32 AM
Well, NZCF will certainly be discussing it. The idea of a non-Zone player being given a valuable place/award intended for a Zone player, ahead of one of our own (or indeed ahead of any Zone player), is not acceptable. We shall also discuss the method of notification - it was only a complete matter of chance that I happened to notice the issue in this Forum - which is by no means an official channel of information to Oceania Zone federations!

peter_parr
27-07-2011, 03:18 PM
In part of my post 45 I pointed out that the decision of the zone president Brian Jones was incorrect, against FIDE regulations, outrageous and must be reversed immediately.

Yesterday Brian Jones agrees “at present” that the zone president cannot nominate a player from another zone in a FIDE world event.

The words at present should be deleted by Brian Jones.

The invitation by the FIDE organisers is free accommodation for one player from each zone around the world to ensure the World Seniors is represented world wide. FIDE would never agree that Oceania could send a USA player.

The original absurd decision was against Oceania interests and against FIDE’s invitation.

It must never happen again.
I would suggest that the Oceania Zone appoint an ombudsman who can give expert advice.


Therefore all we are talking about is my authority to potentially nominate players registered with Federations from outside the Zone.
I will discuss this further with FIDE.

It is not appropriate that the Oceania Zone President even considers the possibility of sending a player from another zone to represent Oceania.

How ridiculous.

Post 67 by Heligan from NZ is very sensible and the ACF should decide on the matter at its meeting on Sunday.
ACF Deputy President Gletsos who is familiar with the matter could then liaise with Brian Jones.

If the Zone President persists about his right to appoint a player from another zone to represent Oceania in a FIDE event he should resign as Zone President. It’s that simple.

Enough is enough – mobile phones in FIDE rated events, FIDE Ethics Commission report – Zonal play-off – now players from other zones to represent Oceania – What Next??

ER
02-08-2011, 01:43 PM
Just to bring this thread back to its initial purpose (the tournament itself) I am glad to have received the following message by the Arbiter Gerry Hartland

Welcome to the 2011 Oceania Seniors Championship. If you are staying at one of the selected motels noted on the web site and you are in need of transport please call a cab and you will be reimbursed.
First round start is 2.30 PM Friday. Please try and get there a little earlier for the first round, particularly if you are paying on the day. I am looking forward to meet you all.

Regards Gerry Hartland arbiter

A great gesture which I am sure will be appreciated by our international, interstate and country Victoria participants! :clap:

ER
02-08-2011, 02:11 PM
She is back!

In the official capacity of Sponsorship Consulting, Ms Katrin Wills - one of the most popular ever Chess personalities in Australia, will make her presence felt by all her afficionados in the tournament.

The information was located here:

http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2011/e1108sozc/event.htm

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Ms Wills's photo was taken from her business website

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Kevin Bonham
05-08-2011, 03:37 PM
This has commenced with a very large field of 30 players headed by IM Rujevic and FMs Hamilton and Jones.

ER
05-08-2011, 09:03 PM
This has commenced with a very large field of 30 players headed by IM Rujevic and FMs Hamilton and Jones.

All games have finished... I was absolutely exhausted after my game and had to go, but all of the above won their first round games! The President of Oceania Zone Mr Brian Jones, introduced by the tournament's arbiter Mr Gerry Hartland addressed us all with a short but spirited welcome speech. Notable visitors amongst others were the President of ACF Mr Gary Wastel, the CV President Mr Leonid Sandler, the CV and BHCC Treasurer Mr Trevor Stanning and BHCC President Mr Peter Tsai. I am not that sure, but I think I saw GM and CV's Vice President Mr Darryl Johansen there at some stage! It was great to see again one of the greatest personalities of Australian Chess Mr Phil Viner!

Here is my first round game against a higher rated opponent

Event 2011 Oceania Seniors Championship
Site Box Hill Chess Club
Date 5/8/11
Round 1
White Elliott Renzies 1666, 1419
Black Lachlan Benson 2007, 1843
Result 0.5 - 0.5
ECO B95


1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Be2 Be7 8. Qd3
Nbd7 9. f4 Qc7 10. Qc4 Nc5 11. b4 b5 12. Ncxb5 axb5 13. Nxb5 Qb6 14. bxc5 dxc5
15. Rb1 O-O 16. O-O Qa5 17. Bxf6 Bxf6 18. Qxc5 Ba6 19. e5 Rfc8 20. Qb4 Qxb4 21.
Rxb4 Be7 22. Ra4 Bxb5 23. Rxa8 Rxa8 24. Bxb5 Rxa2 25. Bd3 g6 26. g4 Bc5 27.
Kg2 Ra4 28. h3 Bd4 29. Re1 Bc3 30. Re4 Ra5 31. Rc4 Bd2 32. Kf3 Ra1 33. Re4 Rg1
34. Kf2 Ra1 35. Ke2 Ba5 36. Kf3 Bb6

Draw agreed

MichaelBaron
06-08-2011, 01:31 AM
All games have finished... I was absolutely exhausted after my game and had to go, but all of the above won their first round games! The President of Oceania Zone Mr Brian Jones, introduced by the tournament's arbiter Mr Gerry Hartland addressed us all with a short but spirited welcome speech. Notable visitors amongst others were the President of ACF Mr Gary Wastel, the CV President Mr Leonid Sandler, the CV and BHCC Treasurer Mr Trevor Stanning and BHCC President Mr Peter Tsai. It was great to see again one of the greatest personalities of Australian Chess Mr Phil Viner!

Here is my first round game against a higher rated opponent

Event 2011 Oceania Seniors Championship
Site Box Hill Chess Club
Date 5/8/11
Round 1
White Elliott Renzies 1666, 1419
Black Lachlan Benson 2007, 1843
Result 0.5 - 0.5
ECO B95


1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Be2 Be7 8. Qd3
Nbd7 9. f4 Qc7 10. Qc4 Nc5 11. b4 b5 12. Ncxb5 axb5 13. Nxb5 Qb6 14. bxc5 dxc5
15. Rb1 O-O 16. O-O Qa5 17. Bxf6 Bxf6 18. Qxc5 Ba6 19. e5 Rfc8 20. Qb4 Qxb4 21.
Rxb4 Be7 22. Ra4 Bxb5 23. Rxa8 Rxa8 24. Bxb5 Rxa2 25. Bd3 g6 26. g4 Bc5 27.
Kg2 Ra4 28. h3 Bd4 29. Re1 Bc3 30. Re4 Ra5 31. Rc4 Bd2 32. Kf3 Ra1 33. Re4 Rg1
34. Kf2 Ra1 35. Ke2 Ba5 36. Kf3 Bb6

Draw agreed
Funny game. White Dominated the opening and was winning. However, the few final moves - one gets an impression that it is black who was playing for win :)

Garrett
06-08-2011, 06:17 AM
good result for you JaK, best of luck for the remainder of the tourney !!

ER
06-08-2011, 06:22 AM
Funny game. LOL I know chess is fun!


White Dominated the opening and was winning.

That's what my computer suggests too! Keeps on insisting I should have played e5 attacking the donkey but I avoided this move hecause I thought he could have jumped its way into my territory!

However, the few final moves - one gets an impression that it is black who was playing for win :)
I know that's why I kept the Bishop there protecting my c Pawn thus making my position as solid as possible.
However, the point at which I knew I wouldn't lose the game was when I saw the Knight temp sac (move 12) when my Queen was attacked ending up with my regaining my piece with a Pawn extra!

ER
06-08-2011, 07:24 AM
My opponent this morning is Mr Frank P. Hutchings - author of Purdy on the Endgame book.
I will make sure I will lose before we reach that stage! :P

MichaelBaron
06-08-2011, 11:29 AM
LOL I know chess is fun!



That's what my computer suggests too! Keeps on insisting I should have played e5 attacking the donkey but I avoided this move hecause I thought he could have jumped its way into my territory!

I know that's why I kept the Bishop there protecting my c Pawn thus making my position as solid as possible.
However, the point at which I knew I wouldn't lose the game was when I saw the Knight temp sac (move 12) when my Queen was attacked ending up with my regaining my piece with a Pawn extra!
My point is, endgame - you should have tried to play for win rather than go defensive :)

Capablanca-Fan
06-08-2011, 12:18 PM
However, the point at which I knew I wouldn't lose the game was when I saw the Knight temp sac (move 12) when my Queen was attacked ending up with my regaining my piece with a Pawn extra!
Why didn't you keep playing? There seems little to lose in trying, e.g. Rb4-b7, f5 and exposing the Pf7 to attack from R and B. The addition of a R each greatly increases winning chances with opposite Bs.

Kevin Bonham
06-08-2011, 01:05 PM
Rook plus OCB endings are often misunderstood. The first common misunderstanding is that they are like OCB endings and extremely drawish. That actually isn't true at all, eg a bishop that tries to block a pawn in a ROCB ending can often be shifted by the opposing rook, and a pawn defended only by a king can be attacked. The second misunderstanding is that they are like endings at all. They are actually more like middlegames. Initiative is very important.

JaK could have been two pawns up instead of one by playing 23.Bxb5. Even so the win is difficult - it's quite a challenge to hang on to the two pawn advantage and the white bishop will be very passive for a while.

Once he missed that and was playing only one pawn up, in my view it was never won. Black's bishop is better and black's rook is better too, and white has pawn placement issues. In the final position a particularly strong idea for black against pretty much any white attacking attempts is ...Rh1 simply threatening to recover the lost pawn. If white tries to defend the h-pawn by Kg2 then ...Rg1+ and if Kh2 then ...h5 with ...h4 to follow and it's going to be extremely difficult for white to try to win.

White can play on and try for the win with no realistic risk of losing but the chance of winning is so slim that given the rating gap I don't blame JaK for taking the draw; I suspect he had better things to do with the hour he could have wasted trying to find a way to convert that one.

Metro
06-08-2011, 08:17 PM
http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/



Round 1 Results No Name FIDE ACF Total Result Name FIDE ACF Total

1 Glissan, Paul 1860 1705 [0] 0:1 Rujevic, Mirko 2306 2301 [0]
2 Hamilton, Douglas G 2182 2051 [0] 1:0 Flude, David A 1814 1713 [0]
3 Smith, Vivian 1787 1632 [0] 0:1 Jones, Brian A 2069 2017 [0]
4 Viner, Phillip J 2057 1934 [0] 0:1 Cooper, Nigel 1772 1579 [0]
5 Ellis, David 2034 2008 [0] 1:0 Beckman, John 1714 1618 [0]
6 Renzies, Elliott 1666 1419 [0] .5:.5 Benson, Lachlan 2007 1843 [0]
7 Krstic, Slobodan 1988 1800 [0] 1:0 Brodzky, Leonid 1760 [0]
8 Fulgenzi, Celestino 1675 [0] 1:0 Hutchings, Frank P 1957 1851 [0]
9 Lovejoy, David 1952 1830 [0] 1:0 Mollard, Max J 1620 [0]
10 Gloistein, Bruce 1513 [0] 0:1 Kerr, Bill 1946 2023 [0]
11 Korenevski, Oleg 1927 1779 [0] 1:0 Hesketh, Bruce 1414 [0]
12 Langer, John 1271 [0] 0:1 Voon, Richard 1921 1859 [0]
13 Canfell, Mike J 1889 1654 [0] 1:0 Dunn, Paul 1133 [0]
14 Mills, Terence 582 [0] 0:1 Meydan, Arie 1866 1713 [0]

Kevin Bonham
06-08-2011, 08:35 PM
Games for round 3 were at some stage in progress with pairings:

Ellis - Rujevic
Hamilton - Jones
Fulgenzi - Benson
Krstic - Cooper
Lovejoy - Meydan

...and it looks like the live boards snoozed off in the middlegame.

I can't find the results of round 2 anywhere but I'm guessing from the above pairings that Ellis, Rujevic, Hamilton, Jones and Fulgenzi won in round 2 (in Fulgenzi's case an upset over Dowling) to go to 2, Benson likewise to go to 1.5 and that Meydan-Krstic and Cooper-Lovejoy were draws and they're all on 1.5. However that is probably not the only possible reconstruction.

Kevin Bonham
06-08-2011, 11:14 PM
I can't find the results of round 2 anywhere but I'm guessing from the above pairings that Ellis, Rujevic, Hamilton, Jones and Fulgenzi won in round 2 (in Fulgenzi's case an upset over Dowling) to go to 2, Benson likewise to go to 1.5 and that Meydan-Krstic and Cooper-Lovejoy were draws and they're all on 1.5. However that is probably not the only possible reconstruction.

This hypothesis was correct. After 3 rounds Rujevic is sole leader on 3, Hamilton, Jones, Fulgenzi and Krstic 2.5. Rujevic-Hamilton tomorrow morning top board.

Capablanca-Fan
07-08-2011, 12:13 AM
Rook plus OCB endings are often misunderstood. The first common misunderstanding is that they are like OCB endings and extremely drawish. That actually isn't true at all, eg a bishop that tries to block a pawn in a ROCB ending can often be shifted by the opposing rook, and a pawn defended only by a king can be attacked. The second misunderstanding is that they are like endings at all. They are actually more like middlegames. Initiative is very important.
All true.


Once he missed that and was playing only one pawn up, in my view it was never won. Black's bishop is better and black's rook is better too, and white has pawn placement issues. In the final position a particularly strong idea for black against pretty much any white attacking attempts is ...Rh1 simply threatening to recover the lost pawn. If white tries to defend the h-pawn by Kg2 then ...Rg1+ and if Kh2 then ...h5 with ...h4 to follow and it's going to be extremely difficult for white to try to win.
OK, how does this work in practice. E.g.

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Be2 Be7 8. Qd3 Nbd7 9. f4 Qc7 10. Qc4 Nc5 11. b4 b5 12. Ncxb5 axb5 13. Nxb5 Qb6 14. bxc5 dxc5 15. Rb1 O-O 16. O-O Qa5 17. Bxf6 Bxf6 18. Qxc5 Ba6 19. e5 Rfc8 20. Qb4 Qxb4 21. Rxb4 Be7 22. Ra4 Bxb5 23. Rxa8 Rxa8 24. Bxb5 Rxa2 25. Bd3 g6 26. g4 Bc5 27. Kg2 Ra4 28. h3 Bd4 29. Re1 Bc3 30. Re4 Ra5 31. Rc4 Bd2 32. Kf3 Ra1 33. Re4 Rg1 34. Kf2 Ra1 35. Ke2 Ba5 36. Kf3 Bb6 {possible continuation} 37.Rb4 Bc5 38.Rb8+ Kg7 39.Rb7 {to pin Pf7 so an eventual e6 is a threat} 39... Rh1 [39... Kg8 40. f5 gxf5 41.gxf5 exf5 42. Bc4 {winning Pf7 gaining a passed e-pawn}] 40.Kg2 Rg1+ 41.Kh2 h5 42.gxh5 gxh5 43.f5 exf5 44.e6 {Black's pieces are not doing much, and the B is tied to defending the R, while White is generating dangerous threats{


White can play on and try for the win with no realistic risk of losing but the chance of winning is so slim that given the rating gap I don't blame JaK for taking the draw; I suspect he had better things to do with the hour he could have wasted trying to find a way to convert that one.
Yes, overall tournament considerations are important.

Adamski
07-08-2011, 12:23 AM
Congrats to JaK on his round 1 draw and good luck for the rest of the event. Ditto to Brian Jones,

ER
07-08-2011, 12:34 AM
My opponent this morning is Mr Frank P. Hutchings - author of Purdy on the Endgame book.
I will make sure I will lose before we reach that stage! :P

well I tried hard but it didn't work


Event 2011 Oceania Seniors Championship
Site Box Hill Chess Club
Date 6/8/11
Round 2
White F.P. Hutchings 1957, 1851
Black Elliott Renzies 1666, 1419
Result 0.5 - 0.5
ECO E49


1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e3 c5 5. Bd3 O-O 6. Nge2 d5 7. a3 Bxc3+ 8.
bxc3 dxc4 9. Bxc4 cxd4 10. cxd4 b5 11. Bd3 Bb7 12. O-O a6 13. Bb2 Nbd7 14. f3
Nd5 15. Qd2 Qg5 16. f4 Qh6 17. Rf3 f5 18. Rh3 Qg6 19. Rg3 Qh6 20. Kh1 N7f6 21.
Rh3 Qg6 22. Rg3

Draw by Repetition

hehe it worked perfectly vs Voonie though. :lol:

Event 2011 Oceania Seniors Championship
Site Box Hill Chess Club
Date 6/8/11
Round 3
White Elliott Renzies 1666, 1419
Black Richard Voon 1921, 1859
Result 0-1
ECO B95



1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Be2 Be7 8. Qd3
O-O 9. f4 Nbd7 10. O-O-O Qa5 11. Nb3 Qc7 12. h4 b5 13. Bf3 Rb8 14. h5 Rd8 15.
Qe3 h6 16. Bh4 Nb6 17. g4 Bb7 18. g5 hxg5 19. fxg5 Nc4 20. Qe2
Nh7 21. g6 Nf8 22. gxf7 Kxf7 23. Bg4 Kg8 24. h6 g6 25. Nd4 Bxh4 26. Rxh4 Qe7
27. Qf2 Kh7 28. Rf1 Qg5 29. Qf4 Qxf4 30.
Rxf4 Re8 31. Rf7 Kh8 32. Rf6 b4 33. Nce2 e5 34. Ne6 Bxe4 35. Ng3 Bd5 36. Nc7
Bg8 37. Nxe8 Rxe8 38. b3 Ne3 39. Rxd6 g5 40. h7 gxh4

White resigns

Kevin Bonham
07-08-2011, 12:40 AM
I don't think that line posted by Jono in Renzies-Benson actually wins (not sure if it was meant to). 44.e6 Kf6! and white can go two pawns up if he wants to (in a range of ways) but none of them seem to be good enough. If white plays exf7 the f-pawn runs. If he plays Rxf7+ instead, he gets the f-pawn and the h-pawn but the resulting endgame is an obvious draw if rooks are swapped (wrong square rook pawn) and seems just as drawn if they are not (the black king comes up and helps hassle the white king faster than white can do anything constructive by way of trying to get pawns through). And the B isn't permanently tied to defending the rook, which can limit white's king scope from other squares on that file.

I don't think the side variation wins either. 42.Bc4 Re1! 43.Bxf7 Kf8. Now if white tries to save the passed e-pawn with 44.e6 then after 44...Rf1+ either the h-pawn will go (possibly for the f-pawn) or the black f-pawn will become a far bigger problem than white's e-pawn.

There are various RBPP vs RBP endings that can be reached here (44.Bb3 Rxe5 45.Rxh7 is the simplest) but they're probably all objectively draws too. Worth playing out if energy and time are no object because you might get to a drawn RB v R that the defender might mess up.

ER
07-08-2011, 12:45 AM
Congrats to JaK on his round 1 draw and good luck for the rest of the event. Ditto to Brian Jones,

Thanks Adamski, I had a great time talking to Mr Hutchings re his memories of the great C. Purdy and other topics! Sydneysiders are all wel and enjoy the tournament and so are the Kiwis and all our visitors!

ER
07-08-2011, 12:51 AM
Jono, Michael, Kev, thank you all for the input! I promise to study the endings properly when I retire. :) I have received lots of positive comments re the way I am handling the openings though.
In other news, I visited my favourite fish shop in Maling Rd. during the lunch break. Whiting, calamari, Tassie scallops, Chinese spring rolls and chips was the order of the day.

Kevin Bonham
07-08-2011, 12:53 AM
hehe it worked perfectly vs Voonie though. :lol:

For most of that game (maybe not the opening but from 17...Bb7? too slow 18.g5 on) you looked to be making sure Voonie lost before it reached that stage! Alas, he found a Swindle. 40.Rh5 is still quite good for you - you're exchange up and can afford to lose a piece to get rid of that horrible g-pawn before it causes serious hurt (as in the game).

ER
07-08-2011, 01:18 AM
For most of that game (maybe not the opening but from 17...Bb7? too slow 18.g5 on) you looked to be making sure Voonie lost before it reached that stage! Alas, he found a Swindle. 40.Rh5 is still quite good for you - you're exchange up and can afford to lose a piece to get rid of that horrible g-pawn before it causes serious hurt (as in the game).

yes, that's exactly what Richard told me after the end of the game!

BTW MCC seems to be omnipresent in the top boards of this tournament!


1 Mirko Rujevic 2306 2301 [3] : Douglas G Hamilton 2182 2051 [2.5]
2 Brian A Jones 2069 2017 [2.5] : Celestino Fulgenzi 1675 [2.5]
3 John Dowling 2048 2009 [2] : Slobodan Krstic 1988 1800 [2.5]


Part of Round 4 draw, republished courtecy of MOZ from the other Forum.

BTW Congratulations to Celestino Fulgenzi - another legendary player and administrator of the MCC who caused the upset of Round 2 beating John Dowling! :clap:
Celestino's success was applauded enthusiastically by all present when announced and his efforts were rewarded with a bottle of nice wine - the trophy for major upsets during the tournament!

Capablanca-Fan
07-08-2011, 01:48 AM
I don't think that line posted by Jono in Renzies-Benson actually wins (not sure if it was meant to).
Well, it was the aim, but realistically it was always just going to improve White's position and provide a reason to continue without much risk.


44.e6 Kf6! and white can go two pawns up if he wants to (in a range of ways) but none of them seem to be good enough. If white plays exf7 the f-pawn runs.
Looks strong for White, because Black must meet the threat of f8=Q+ exploiting the overworked Black B, as well as Rb5. But the strength is deceptive; ...Rg5 seems to be an antidote, covering the Pf5 and allowing ... Bd6+.


If he plays Rxf7+ instead, he gets the f-pawn and the h-pawn but the resulting endgame is an obvious draw if rooks are swapped (wrong square rook pawn) and seems just as drawn if they are not (the black king comes up and helps hassle the white king faster than white can do anything constructive by way of trying to get pawns through). And the B isn't permanently tied to defending the rook, which can limit white's king scope from other squares on that file.
With the Rs on, there is scope to play to win with such widely separated passed Ps. White would probably need to push the h-pawn quite far to tie down enemy forces, then try to slip the c-pawn through in a way that Black can't both sac the B and swap Rs. And there is almost no chance to lose, an ideal position from which to torture a higher-rated player for ages.


I don't think the side variation wins either. 42.Bc4 Re1! 43.Bxf7 Kf8. Now if white tries to save the passed e-pawn with 44.e6 then after 44...Rf1+ either the h-pawn will go (possibly for the f-pawn) or the black f-pawn will become a far bigger problem than white's e-pawn.
I was thinking of 43. Rxf7 threatening a discovered check. If 43... Re4 then 44. Ba2 hiding and maintaining the threat.


There are various RBPP vs RBP endings that can be reached here (44.Bb3 Rxe5 45.Rxh7 is the simplest) but they're probably all objectively draws too. Worth playing out if energy and time are no object because you might get to a drawn RB v R that the defender might mess up.
Which is far more common than it should be; even GMs have gone wrong.

Kevin Bonham
07-08-2011, 02:02 AM
I was thinking of 43. Rxf7 threatening a discovered check. If 43... Re4 then 44. Ba2 hiding and maintaining the threat.

43...Re3+ (only move). Now if 44.Kg2 (what else) 44...Re2+! gets the c-pawn and greatly blunts the discovered check, though it will probably still be worth a pawn with another two pawns vs one position after ...Rxc2 and Be6.

It does seem we are finding quite a few lines where black has to find the only move to save, so in that sense the winning chances in practice are greater than I first thought.

Capablanca-Fan
07-08-2011, 02:18 AM
well I tried hard but it didn't work

Event 2011 Oceania Seniors Championship
Site Box Hill Chess Club
Date 6/8/11
Round 2
White F.P. Hutchings 1957, 1851
Black Elliott Renzies 1666, 1419
Result 0.5 - 0.5
ECO E49

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e3 c5 5. Bd3 O-O 6. Nge2 d5 7. a3 Bxc3+ [8... cxd4] 8.
bxc3 dxc4 9. Bxc4 cxd4 {try this plan ... Qc7, Nc6, d5} 10. cxd4 b5 11. Bd3 Bb7 12. O-O a6 13. Bb2 Nbd7 14. f3 [14. Ng3 {would be safer, and White has a clear plus}] 14... Nd5 15. Qd2 Qg5 {some good moves here addressing the specific needs of the position: stopping a mobile P advance} 16. f4 Qh6 17. Rf3 [17. e4 Ne7! {followed by ...f5}] 17... f5 {an important move} 18. Rh3 Qg6 19. Rg3 Qh6 20. Kh1 N7f6 21.
Rh3 Qg6 22. Rg3 1/2-1/2

Mr Hutchings was one of NZ's top 10 players in the late 1950s, just after winning the schoolpupils champs; his best result was 4= in 1958. Then married Purdy's daughter Diana in Sydney in 1960; apparently they met during the 1959 NZ Champs while Diana was playing in the Premier Reserve.


Hehe it worked perfectly vs Voonie though. :lol:
If you had played 38. Be2, his Q-side would have collapsed.

ER
07-08-2011, 03:09 AM
{try this plan ... Qc7, Nc6, d5}

Jono, I am trying to avoid deeply theoretical lines in the Nimzoindian.
The main reason I play it this way is that my original plan is to develop the Bishop at b7 preceded by the "surprise" ... b5 which does not actually win a tempo after White's 0-0 but causes some discomfort to White because of the direct of masked control of the diagonal b7 -> h1.
It also results in a Black Pawn majority on the Queen's side.
In another line if my Bishop at b4 is challenged by White's Bishop I follow up with ... Qe7.
These ideas I have borrowed from Dr Tarrash's Defence to the Queen's Pawn as well as from certain QID lines.
Thanks for the additional information about Mr Hutchings's career!

Capablanca-Fan
07-08-2011, 05:37 AM
Jono, I am trying to avoid deeply theoretical lines in the Nimzoindian.
The main reason I play it this way is that my original plan is to develop the Bishop at b7 preceded by the "surprise" ... b5 which does not actually win a tempo after White's 0-0 but causes some discomfort to White because of the direct of masked control of the diagonal b7 -> h1.
It also results in a Black Pawn majority on the Queen's side.
In another line if my Bishop at b4 is challenged by White's Bishop I follow up with ... Qe7.
These ideas I have borrowed from Dr Tarrash's Defence to the Queen's Pawn as well as from certain QID lines.
I think I know the ones you mean. But Dr Tarrasch's defence (or semi-Tarrasch) never included surrendering the B-pair. With this included, the centre majority outweighs the Q-side majority, which is a somewhat over-rated thing anyway. In a simplified position, this is can be good, but usually this is backed up by control of the c-file or at least rendering the central majority insignificant. In this position, it wasn't going anywhere, while there were many chances of a white steamroller in the centre and K-side, backed up by the B-pair, Only after you immobilized the enemy centre were you in the game.

MichaelBaron
07-08-2011, 11:49 AM
Good game by JAK:clap: . I really like b5. Also even if white would play Ng3 instead of 3 - Black would be doing OK

Kevin Bonham
07-08-2011, 02:19 PM
Shame the live boards stopped working in the middle of round 4, which they also did in the middle of round 3.

Kevin Bonham
07-08-2011, 08:46 PM
Rujevic beat Hamilton in round 4 to take the outright lead, and then beat then outright second Bob Krstic in round 5 so has now cleared out to a one-point lead over Bill Kerr in sole second place. On 3.5 are Krstic, Jones, Meydan (who defeated Hamilton) and Voon.

JaK defeated Paul Dunn, lost to Dowling and is now on 2/5.

Live boards showed all moves in round 5.

ER
08-08-2011, 03:10 AM
This is a game I should have lost. Paul outplayed me and deserved the win!

Event 2011 Oceania Seniors Championship
Site Box Hill Chess Club
Date 7/8/11
Round 4
White Paul Dunn 1133 (local)
Black Elliott Renzies 1666, 1419
Result 0-1
ECO E49


1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Qc2 O-O 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 b6 (6... c5) (6...
d5) 7. e4 d5 8. cxd5 exd5 9. e5 Nfd7 (9... Ne4 10. f3 Qh4 11. g3 Nxg3) 10. Bd3
g6 11. Nf3 c5 12. O-O Nc6 13. Bh6 Re8 14. Rfe1 Nf8 15. Bb5 Qc7 16. Qd2 a6 17.
Bxc6 Qxc6 18. Bxf8 Rxf8 19. Qh6 f6 20. exf6 Qxf6 21. Re5 Bg4 22. Rae1 Bxf3 23.
Re7 Rf7 (here I saw that I had no more mating or losing material dangers to face so I thought I had an easy draw. Then Michael's and Jono's and Kevin's encouragements to play for a win in the ending came to mind. So, after a long thought I saw that my pawn structure was better and I could bring my King out to support my Passed Pawn could result in a full point so off we went) 24. Re8+ Rxe8 25. Rxe8+ Rf8 26. Rxf8+ Qxf8 27. Qxf8+ Kxf8 28. gxf3 Kf7
29. Kg2 Kf6 30. dxc5 bxc5 31. f4 Kf5 32. Kf3 d4 33. c4 h6 34. h3 g5 35. fxg5
hxg5 36. a4 a5 37. Ke2 Kf4 38. Kd2 Kf3 39. Ke1 d3 (After the game both Paul and I thought that this sequence 39... Kg2 40. f4 gxf4 41. h4 could be dangerous for White but it wasn't!
f3 42. h5 f2+) 40. Kd2

White resigned.

Kevin Bonham
08-08-2011, 03:14 AM
The bit I like best there is the "long thought". The expression "fools rush in ..." must have been written by someone who had seen a lot of pure pawn endings. :P

ER
08-08-2011, 03:16 AM
good result for you JaK, best of luck for the remainder of the tourney !!

Thanks Garrett, I am trying hard! :)

ER
08-08-2011, 03:49 AM
The bit I like best there is the "long thought". The expression "fools rush in ..." must have been written by someone who had seen a lot of pure pawn endings. :P


LOL mate you are talking about someone who can blunder in a simple Q+K vs K ending! :P I really thought for a long time there until it was obvious that I could create a Passed Pawn under any circumstances. But you have to give me credit for the ... BxN move. There I was under pressure and still I was aiming at creating weaknesses.

BTW guys don't neglect to play through Rujevic vs Hamilton game it was an absolute beauty!

Incredible scenes after round 4. We had a longer break for the kids' tuition. All of a sudden a sea of micro juniors burst in the hall. MOZ had shown (*) me the list of a sizeable number of expected kids but that was another thing! The hall was packed. They crowed the table where Richard Voon and Celestino Fulgenzi continued their great MCC blitz tradition and absolutely loved it, taking sides, commenting on moves and relentlessly kibbitzing the senior players who took it all in good humour, explaining moves and concepts to the juniors! :)
After that I had to give a chat room terminology tutorial to Voonie (Wha'ts LOL? What's BTW etc)! Apparently he has taken internet seriously! :)

Now here is my second game vs our visitor from the US Mr John Dowling.
Event 2011 Oceania Seniors Championship
Site Box Hill Chess Club
Date 7/8/11
Round 5
White Elliott Renzies 1666, 1419
Black Dowling, John 2048 2009
Result 0-1



1. e4 g6 2. Nc3 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Be3 a6 5. Bd3 Nd7 6. Qd2 b5 7. Nge2 Bb7 8. f3
c5 9. dxc5 Nxc5 10. Bd4 Nf6 11. O-O Rc8 12. e5 {? bad choice, very bad} dxe5 13. Bxe5 Nxd3 14. Bxf6 Bxf6
15. cxd3 O-O 16. Ne4 Bg7 17. Rac1 Qb6 18. Kh1 Rfd8 19. Rxc8 Bxc8 20. Rc1 b4
21. Rc4 a5 22. Qc2 Ba6 23. Rc6 Bxd3 24. Qxd3 Rxd3 25. Rxb6 Rd1 26. Ng1 Bd4 27.
Rb8 Kg7

Black resigns

(*) I know that it's not grammaticaly correct but is had showed me a big mistake? I have heard it and seen it written!

Kevin Bonham
08-08-2011, 01:35 PM
BTW guys don't neglect to play through Rujevic vs Hamilton game it was an absolute beauty!

Is the full score available anywhere? Live board conked out during that one.

Rujevic drew with Kerr so keeps his one-point lead.

Metro
08-08-2011, 04:40 PM
No Name FIDE ACF Total Result Name FIDE ACF Total

1 Rujevic, Mirko 2306 2301 [1] 1:0 Korenevski, Oleg 1927 1779 [1]
2 Kerr, Bill 1946 2023 [1] 0:1 Hamilton, Douglas G 2182 2051 [1]
3 Jones, Brian A 2069 2017 [1] 1:0 Canfell, Mike J 1889 1654 [1]
4 Dowling, John 2048 2009 [1] 0:1 Fulgenzi, Celestino 1675 [1]
5 Voon, Richard 1921 1859 [1] 0:1 Ellis, David 2034 2008 [1]
6 Meydan, Arie 1866 1713 [1] .5:.5 Krstic, Slobodan 1988 1800 [1]
7 Cooper, Nigel 1772 1579 [1] .5:.5 Lovejoy, David 1952 1830 [1]
8 Benson, Lachlan 2007 1843 [.5] 1:0 Viner, Phillip J 2057 1934 [0]
9 Hutchings, Frank P 1957 1851 [0] .5:.5 Renzies, Elliott 1666 1419 [.5]
10 Mollard, Max J 1620 [0] 1:0 Glissan, Paul 1860 1705 [0]
11 Flude, David A 1814 1713 [0] 1:0 Gloistein, Bruce 1513 [0]
12 Hesketh, Bruce 1414 [0] 0:1 Smith, Vivian 1787 1632 [0]
13 Dunn, Paul 1133 [0] 0:1 Egan, Bill 1733 1554 [0]
14 Beckman, John 1714 1618 [0] 1:0 Langer, John 1271 [0]
15 Brodzky, Leonid 1760 [0] 1:0 Mills, Terence 582 [0]

ER
08-08-2011, 07:35 PM
Mirko Rujevic draws with Brian Jones in the final round and wins the tournament outright!
Congratulations to a popular winner and a great guy too! On ya Mirko! :clap:

Brian Jones (left) undefeated yet again in another tournament. Mirko Rujevic (right) will represent Australia in the Seniors World Championship!

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee481/jak_jak1/100_4550.jpg

Well if you guessed it was a (very) short draw, you guessed right!

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee481/jak_jak1/100_4569.jpg

Kevin Bonham
08-08-2011, 10:28 PM
Congrats to Mirko, made it look too easy! Also congrats Bill Kerr on a strong second given the strength of the field.

Adamski
08-08-2011, 11:21 PM
Congrats to Mirko on his victory and to Brian J on remaining undefeated.:clap:

Garrett
09-08-2011, 08:57 AM
yes congratulations to Mirko, a thoroughly nice guy :clap:

Tony Dowden
10-08-2011, 10:32 PM
Congrats to Mirko, made it look too easy! Also congrats Bill Kerr on a strong second given the strength of the field.

Congrats to Mirko and Bill :clap: :clap: but where are the actual results?

Metro
10-08-2011, 10:43 PM
Congrats to Mirko and Bill :clap: :clap: but where are the actual results?
http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2011/e1108sozc/standings.htm

Max Illingworth
10-08-2011, 11:00 PM
Congratulations to the winner Mirko, runner-up Bill and the undefeated Brian. :clap:

ER
11-08-2011, 12:23 AM
Mirko and Bill analyse after their drawn game!

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee481/jak_jak1/geriatrics/100_4534.jpg

Brian. The prez entered the tournament under pressure and continuous public attacks some of which (IMHO) were uncalled for and unjustified! However, he never lost his tenacity and his humour!

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee481/jak_jak1/geriatrics/100_4548.jpg

Photos by Elliott Renzies

Adamski
11-08-2011, 11:20 AM
Thanks for the pics, ER.

Capablanca-Fan
12-08-2011, 08:28 AM
Thanks for the pics, ER.
Yes, indeed.:clap:

ER
13-08-2011, 11:13 PM
One of the most pleasant surprises of the tournament was my meeting with Mr Mike J Canfell father or our very own Greg (Shirty) Canfell - one of my favourite Australian chessplayers and a top administrator in State and Fed level.
Here is my game vs Mr Canfell senior a great gentleman and a strong player who punished my inadvertent mistakes and turned a rather uncomfortable position into a winning one! I look forward to meet him again and have a nice chat and maybe a couple of games.
Here is our game.

Event 2011 Oceania Seniors Championship
Site Box Hill Chess Club
Date 8/8/11
Round 6
White Elliott Renzies 1666, 1419
Black Mike J Canfell 1889 1654
ELO B95
Result 0-1


1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 {most of the participants were Fischer generation - or even "slightly" older so don't be surprised with the rather large No. of Najdorfs and Nimzos} 6. Bg5 e6 7. Be2 Be7 8. Qd3
O-O 9. f4 Nbd7 10. Bf3 Nc5 11. Qd2 h6 12. h4 Qc7 13. O-O-O Rb8 14. g4 b5 15.
Bxf6 Bxf6 16. g5 Bxd4 17. Qxd4 h5 18. Bxh5 {?} (18. Qxd6 Qxd6 19. Rxd6 b4 20. Ne2
Bb7 21. Ng3 g6 22. c3) 18... b4 19. g6 fxg6 20. Nd5 exd5 21. Qxd5 Be6

White resigns

Capablanca-Fan
15-08-2011, 06:29 AM
Seems like you self-destructed in a much better position. 18. Bxh5 was OK; just no need to throw away your N.

ER
15-08-2011, 08:49 AM
Seems like you self-destructed in a much better position. ...

Story of my life (and not only) in this tournament! :(

Adamski
16-08-2011, 01:05 AM
Agree JaK. Both Canfells are thoroughly nice guys. I have played Mike twice for one win and one loss. Yet to play Greg in a serious game.

Rhubarb
17-08-2011, 12:00 AM
Thank you JaK and Adamski, my father Mike is indeed a true gentleman.