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FM_Bill
06-07-2010, 08:55 PM
I once politely out out to my opponent that he needed to record the moves. When he refused I asked the arbiter to tell him to record the moves. After that he became angry and extremely abusive and swore at me. The arbiter knew this and did nothing.

I was so upset I could no longer think straight and lost the game as a direct result.

What would be an appropriate response by the arbiter?

Kevin Bonham
06-07-2010, 09:04 PM
I've now and then had an opponent say "you bastard!" or somewhat worse when I had just pulled off another diabolical swindle, but that's really no big deal. I think if an adult player is aggressively swearing at the opponent for any reason then it wouldn't be too surprising if the arbiter declared the game lost for the swearer there and then. As alternatives, a stern warning or a time penalty plus a stern warning would be reasonable. In any case, if the game continues it should not do so until the sworn-at player has had time to regain any composure they may have lost.

The nearest thing to it that I have had as arbiter was in a primary school tournament where one player, at the start of the game and with no apparent provocation from his opponent, said "all the players from your school cheat". I docked him five minutes out of 15 flat for it.

Ideally if an opponent is failing to score, this should be raised directly with the arbiter rather than pointing it out to the opponent.

Basil
06-07-2010, 09:39 PM
What would be an appropriate response by the arbiter?
Forfeit. Possible expulsion depending on words and circs.

Kevin Bonham
06-07-2010, 10:03 PM
Forfeit. Possible expulsion depending on words and circs.

Yes, expulsion is certainly an option for severe offenders.

I recall one player who upon losing to a somewhat lower rated player called out loudly "why am I always being bunnyswindled?" implying that the opponent was a bunny. (The opponent was not in fact a bunny at all but a decent midfield-ish player who had won championships of one of the city's weaker clubs not long before). The loser left the club after the incident and was not seen for many years but we had all made a decision that he would be persona non grata if he returned without an apology on his lips for that outburst.

Your use of "forfeit" reminds me of something else which I think needs a thread.

Basil
07-07-2010, 05:58 AM
Your use of "forfeit" reminds me of something else which I think needs a thread.
Thanks. Read the thread. "Loss!"

FM_Bill
07-07-2010, 11:06 PM
After the verbal attack, he spent a lot of time glaring at me. It was really an unpleasant experience.

It was in an Australian championship, though the player involved has since left the country.

Its been my experience that arbiters tend not to enforce the "its forbidden to annoy or distract the opponent in any way" rule.

Mischa
08-07-2010, 12:39 AM
I am not a player...of course
but I have had reported to me...and seen with my own eyes ...a junior player making inappropriate thrusting motions at players engaged at the board. It was quite disturbing.
What should be the protocol here?

Garvinator
08-07-2010, 10:33 AM
What should be the protocol here?Inform the arbiter of what is happening and let them take care of it.

Basil
08-07-2010, 10:37 PM
I am not a player...of course
but I have had reported to me...and seen with my own eyes ...a junior player making inappropriate thrusting motions at players engaged at the board. It was quite disturbing.
What should be the protocol here?
Get an arbiter with nuggets and get it sorted (hope like hell you don't have some lefty hippie fairy who doesn't want to rock the boat using the defence of inaction that we're all here to have a good time and this isn't the World Champs).

Denis_Jessop
11-07-2010, 02:30 PM
Get an arbiter with nuggets and get it sorted (hope like hell you don't have some lefty hippie fairy who doesn't want to rock the boat using the defence of inaction that we're all here to have a good time and this isn't the World Champs).

Condoning such behaviour is a fundamentally right-wing or neo-nazi reaction. Nor are hippies and fairies necessarily left-wing. Note: this assumes, probably without foundation, that the terms left-wing and right-wing have any significant meaning without definition. :P :P :D

DJ

Basil
11-07-2010, 05:30 PM
Condoning such behaviour is a fundamentally right-wing...
You're telling me. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand loving it.


Nor are hippies and fairies necessarily left-wing.
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh yes they are. Every dripping, flaking, tree-hugging, wet-arsed, directionless one of them!


Note: this assumes, probably without foundation, that the terms left-wing and right-wing have any significant meaning without definition. :P :P :D

DJ
Ah! We may have detente :D

Thunderspirit
11-07-2010, 10:09 PM
Thankful I can't ever think of a time where a player has ever come to me and complained that an opponent has sworn at them. Of course the degree of the penalty depends on the actual language used and the players invloved. If an adult is swearing at a child, this is of course much worse than if two adults are swearing at each other.

If I understand Bill correctly I sense an element of indimation, which makes the situation far worse. As a DOP a forfeit is a very drastic measure so it really should be an absolute last resort, though if indimination is invloved than it becomes justified.

The example that Kevin gave about deducting 5 mins off the clock is I think a very good solution. I've always been a big believer that adults and DOP's have a responsibility to instill that this sort of behaviour is unacceptabe.

Garvinator
11-07-2010, 11:16 PM
I have seen and heard more accusations that a players opponent is a 'cheat' while trying to work out what has happened in a game.

There have been hardly any times at all where I have heard or had it reported to me that one or more players have been swearing during a game.

Kevin Bonham
12-07-2010, 04:06 AM
I have seen and heard more accusations that a players opponent is a 'cheat' while trying to work out what has happened in a game.

I will immediately tell a junior who is saying that that they must stop making that accusation, since even if a player has broken the rules it is not necessarily intentional. Unfortunately some juniors are prone to assert that cheating is happening as soon as a violation of the rules is established.

Capablanca-Fan
14-07-2010, 03:22 AM
Condoning such behaviour is a fundamentally right-wing or neo-nazi reaction. Nor are hippies and fairies necessarily left-wing.
Except that the Nazis (national socialists) were left-wingers, loving big government, minimum wage laws, government control of what was produced, and radically secular government schools; while they hated free markets and traditional values. Their battles with Communists were over control of the same ideological territory, cf. Stalin v Trotsky.

MichaelBaron
14-07-2010, 08:33 PM
I once politely out out to my opponent that he needed to record the moves. When he refused I asked the arbiter to tell him to record the moves. After that he became angry and extremely abusive and swore at me. The arbiter knew this and did nothing.

I was so upset I could no longer think straight and lost the game as a direct result.

What would be an appropriate response by the arbiter?

It is clearly the arbiter's duty to keep the situation under control. The abusive player should be forfeighted on the sport!...even if he is a GM :)