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antichrist
29-08-2004, 05:49 PM
Are Bible-prophesy believers fools?

Goughfather
29-08-2004, 05:56 PM
Are the options "Moronic" and "Immature" in relation to the individuals you speak of, or of the intellectual quality of this poll?

arosar
29-08-2004, 08:18 PM
Peter H, man, sometimes you behave like a F**kin' idiot.

AR

antichrist
30-08-2004, 01:05 PM
Peter H, man, sometimes you behave like a F**kin' idiot.

AR

It takes a talent. I get a kick out of stirring, you should realise that by now. That fool on the hill has a big grin on his face.

Have you voted??

Come on commit yourself!

antichrist
30-08-2004, 01:07 PM
Are the options "Moronic" and "Immature" in relation to the individuals you speak of, or of the intellectual quality of this poll?


It refers to people who asks questions as you have.

Lucena
30-08-2004, 01:22 PM
Are Bible-prophesy believers fools?

If you're going to denigrate biblical prophecy Peter, you might as well learn how to spell it:

http://www.bartleby.com/68/31/4831.html

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/dictionaries/english/data/d0082650.html

antichrist
30-08-2004, 01:26 PM
[QUOTE=garethbcharles]If you're going to denigrate prophecy Peter, you might as well learn how to spell it:

I knew at the time it was sussy. I have lost my spelling memory due to studing ruddy Chinese, chess, philosophy and a few operations. As I am away from home paying for this I am careless.

Exactly the same for English since a child. I was perfect at maths and did not care about anything else. I heard exactly the same said by the principal of James Ruse High about five years ago about his students. But I do have a sense of language and know when I am erring. Amazingly, I was told by my matric English teacher to be a writer, I could not believe it. I am good for ideas, good imagination. I topped the class for descriptive writing.

Now take the plunge and vote!! You can't sit on a barb wire fence and not get hurt - Joh Bjelke-Petersen circa 1978

Lucena
30-08-2004, 01:39 PM
Now take the plunge and vote!! You can't sit on a barb wire fence and not get hurt - Joh Bjelke-Petersen circa 1978

I'm afraid I'm with Goughfather on this one, re post #2.

Oepty
30-08-2004, 01:40 PM
antichrist, No it is the people who don't believe that are the fools. If you knew anything about the Bible you would no it is a term for non-believers in the Bible. I guess you would wear it with pride
Scott

arosar
30-08-2004, 01:47 PM
antichrist, No it is the people who don't believe that are the fools. . .

Well, I wouldn't say that meself.

AR

antichrist
30-08-2004, 05:32 PM
I'm afraid I'm with Goughfather on this one, re post #2.

Be careful because people judge people by their friends.

Rincewind
30-08-2004, 05:50 PM
Be careful because people judge people by their friends.

If you sleep with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

Kevin Bonham
31-08-2004, 02:39 AM
Now take the plunge and vote!! You can't sit on a barb wire fence and not get hurt - Joh Bjelke-Petersen circa 1978

Somehow I don't think Sir Joh can hurt me anymore. Hence the vote. And no, I won't be explaining it. :lol:

antichrist
31-08-2004, 09:02 AM
Somehow I don't think Sir Joh can hurt me anymore. Hence the vote. And no, I won't be explaining it. :lol:

When I think of it, it was " You can't stand on both sides of a barb wire fence and not get hurt." Which is a bit more dramatic of course.

I can see from the large number of viewers but small number of voters that people agree with the "yes" answer but it is a bit radical for them to own up to it. Or they don't want to agree with an Antichrist.

Did you see that Bible-prophesy believing Irish priest who tackled that marathon-leader. His sign said as far as I can read "The end is coming" and also had the blue Star of David sign. Refer "ten reasons why beer is better than Jesus" - "you don't have to wait 2000+ years for a second beer".

Almost as stupid as PH that chap.

Trent Parker
31-08-2004, 12:13 PM
Antichrist... mate..... THIS IS GARBAGE. I don't think anyone gives a stuff about this poll.

antichrist
31-08-2004, 05:46 PM
Antichrist... mate..... THIS IS GARBAGE. I don't think anyone gives a stuff about this poll.

Trent
That is a double check you have gave me. A knock out punch. I give up. I'll never mention it again. Just lay off - all right.

Trent Parker
31-08-2004, 07:41 PM
Trent
That is a double check you have gave me. A knock out punch. I give up. I'll never mention it again. Just lay off - all right.

sorry. I am being harsh...... but truthful

antichrist
01-09-2004, 07:12 PM
antichrist, No it is the people who don't believe that are the fools. If you knew anything about the Bible you would no it is a term for non-believers in the Bible. I guess you would wear it with pride
Scott


But what about the famous quote "the fool in his heart knows there is a God". Listen mate, the fools are on your side.

Cat
01-09-2004, 07:16 PM
But what about the famous quote "the fool in his heart knows there is a God". Listen mate, the fools are on your side.


You know that individuals who carry a religious belief on average live around 5 yrs longer than those that don't. They're less prone to depression and diseases generally, I guess you could say God's looking after them. So who's the fool?

Goughfather
01-09-2004, 07:26 PM
But what about the famous quote "the fool in his heart knows there is a God". Listen mate, the fools are on your side.

I believe you're thinking of the following quote, dated at roughly 1000BC:

"The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God" - Psalm 14:1

What were you saying about echoing and there being no prizes for second best in another thread?

antichrist
01-09-2004, 07:34 PM
I believe you're thinking of the following quote, dated at roughly 1000BC:

"The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God" - Psalm 14:1

What were you saying about echoing and there being no prizes for second best in another thread?

Reply:

I first brought this into the BB about a month ago, if you go far enough back and have a look. So you are the echo.

Shows how silly the Bible is. People don't talk or have emotions from their heart, it is a pump. I would return your Bible and ask for a refund.

Goughfather
01-09-2004, 08:02 PM
I first brought this into the BB about a month ago, if you go far enough back and have a look. So you are the echo.

I think you'll find that you're simply operating on a 3,000 year delay. That's why you believe your statement to be original.


Shows how silly the Bible is. People don't talk or have emotions from their heart, it is a pump. I would return your Bible and ask for a refund.

Are you really this ignorant, or are you simply pretending?

Kevin Bonham
02-09-2004, 01:08 AM
You know that individuals who carry a religious belief on average live around 5 yrs longer than those that don't. They're less prone to depression and diseases generally, I guess you could say God's looking after them. So who's the fool?

What are your sources for these claims?

Cat
02-09-2004, 08:54 AM
What are your sources for these claims?

New Idea

Goughfather
02-09-2004, 02:10 PM
You know that individuals who carry a religious belief on average live around 5 yrs longer than those that don't. They're less prone to depression and diseases generally, I guess you could say God's looking after them. So who's the fool?

I have heard other, more competent sources suggest this kind of thing. I think the subject of one particular study were Latter Day Saints (Mormons) from Utah, who outlived non-Mormons by five to eight years on average. A lot of this is of course, attributed to lifestyle habits (including strict abstinence towards caffeine), and the like. Of course, a longer life expectancy has no real bearing upon the truth of a belief, but I suspect that this was not David's point.

antichrist
02-09-2004, 02:30 PM
AC
Are you really this ignorant, or are you simply pretending?[/QUOTE]
Shows how silly the Bible is. People don't talk or have emotions from their heart, it is a pump. I would return your Bible and ask for a refund.


Are you really this ignorant, or are you simply pretending?

AC:

I am genuine, do we really think etc through out heart. When I last looked up the anatomy transparents in Britticannia(?) it really looked up like a pump. Is there a doctor in the house.

Goughfather
02-09-2004, 02:40 PM
I am genuine, do we really think etc through out heart. When I last looked up the anatomy transparents in Britticannia(?) it really looked up like a pump. Is there a doctor in the house.

Considering your complete lack of understanding about idiomatic phrases, it's no surprise that Maths was your strong suit (and no, I'm not talking about Armani, nor about a pack of playing cards) rather than English. I suggest you really use your head with this one.

I'm thinking about the implications of my last sentence already :P

antichrist
02-09-2004, 02:42 PM
Trent
That is a double check you have gave me. A knock out punch. I give up. I'll never mention it again. Just lay off - all right.

Is it possible to triple check, I have been thinking about and could not manage it.

antichrist
02-09-2004, 02:46 PM
Considering your complete lack of understanding about idiomatic phrases, it's no surprise that Maths was your strong suit (and no, I'm not talking about Armani, nor about a pack of playing cards) rather than English. I suggest you really use your head with this one.

I'm thinking about the implications of my last sentence already :P


You make me sound like Greenbottle, how Joan of Arc was on Noah's Ark. She was so too.

Goughfather
02-09-2004, 02:57 PM
You make me sound like Greenbottle, how Joan of Arc was on Noah's Ark. She was so too.

Hehe, fair enough then.

I wonder - does Bill have access to your original post?

Ahhh, young love!

antichrist
02-09-2004, 03:01 PM
Hehe, fair enough then.

I wonder - does Bill have access to your original post?

Ahhh, young love!

I did not want to cop a warning. A spanking in S & M I can cop.

Kevin Bonham
02-09-2004, 07:14 PM
I have heard other, more competent sources suggest this kind of thing. I think the subject of one particular study were Latter Day Saints (Mormons) from Utah, who outlived non-Mormons by five to eight years on average. A lot of this is of course, attributed to lifestyle habits (including strict abstinence towards caffeine), and the like. Of course, a longer life expectancy has no real bearing upon the truth of a belief, but I suspect that this was not David's point.

No, but I suspect he was quite happy for people to assume that a belief can cause greater longevity.

I have seen a lot of claims of these kinds, and while I don't assume all of them to be false (and I don't know anything about the one mentioned above), there are also a lot of dodgy ones out there. A good example of this was the study that showed that people who regularly attended church outlived those who did not - but the effect disappeared once those already in hospital because of poor health were removed from the latter sample. :rolleyes:

There is also a great tendency for people to confuse correlation with causation in reading the results of studies like this (and, indeed, scientific studies discussed in the media in general). It is assumed that if the religious sample outlive the non-religious sample then that must be because of either their religious beliefs, or some aspect of their religious practices (lifestyle decisions or community support aspects for instance). It could be the other way around - that some other factor both causes some subgroup of non-believers to live shorter lives and causes that group of people to be less likely to remain or become actively religious.

I suspect David flippantly claims that his source was "New Idea" because he either cannot remember his source, or else doesn't want me to track it down and potentially rebut either its methods or his interpretation of the results.

PHAT
02-09-2004, 07:54 PM
I suspect David flippantly claims that his source was "New Idea" because he either cannot remember his source, or else doesn't want me to track it down and potentially rebut either its methods or his interpretation of the results.[bold by MS]

This is an unnecessary slur. It isn't funny or clever, it is simply a slur.

Kevin Bonham
04-09-2004, 02:05 AM
This is an unnecessary slur. It isn't funny or clever, it is simply a slur.

It wasn't even a slur at all, under the circumstances. Do you have an alternative explanation for David's behaviour? If I said that I really thought he read it in New Idea, that would be a serious insult.

Garvinator
04-09-2004, 02:08 AM
It wasn't even a slur at all, under the circumstances. Do you have an alternative explanation for David's behaviour? If I said that I really thought he read it in New Idea, that would be a serious insult.
if this comment was made in jest, then :lol:

Cat
04-09-2004, 01:59 PM
if this comment was made in jest, then :lol:

Ah, the real reason I said 'New Idea' may have been in the hope KB would end up trolling every back issue for the last 5 years to find the article, which of course he probably did! Or it could have been of course that I read a 'New Idea' article, or maybe it was symbolic. We shall never know, some things are better left unsaid!

Kevin Bonham
04-09-2004, 03:25 PM
Ah, the real reason I said 'New Idea' may have been in the hope KB would end up trolling every back issue for the last 5 years to find the article, which of course he probably did!

I doubt they have a searchable online subject index. And no, I don't have a stack of them in the cupboard.


Or it could have been of course that I read a 'New Idea' article, or maybe it was symbolic.

Indeed. You have never had a new idea in your life.


We shall never know, some things are better left unsaid!

You seem to specialise in saying them.

antichrist
16-01-2011, 03:04 AM
Ah, the real reason I said 'New Idea' may have been in the hope KB would end up trolling every back issue for the last 5 years to find the article, which of course he probably did! Or it could have been of course that I read a 'New Idea' article, or maybe it was symbolic. We shall never know, some things are better left unsaid!

Cat, where are you to liven up our days and nights - all is forgiven.

The latest prophesy is that the world will end in 2012, being there done that

This thread was made before meeting a few crazy Jehovah Witnesses, and man, they are full of crazy Biblical prophesies don't (do) get me started.

They told me the other day that they dont celebrate christmas and that the Three Wise Man were agents of Satan - who am I to argue

leepenny2001
16-01-2011, 07:40 AM
The Three Wise Men were thought to be a number of different characters. I've even listened to documentaries on The History Channel where they say the men were thought to be "alien vistors from outer space".

Tony Dowden
16-01-2011, 09:25 AM
AC: unfortunately this question is objectionable because it may as well read "Are Christians fools?"

As you should know, given your general erudition concerning things biblical (ogoing on the evidence in other threads), the Bible is full of ancient prophecies and many these - Christians believe - were fulfilled around 2000 years ago.

Rincewind
16-01-2011, 10:07 AM
AC: unfortunately this question is objectionable because it may as well read "Are Christians fools?"

I don't think that is necessarily true (for example someone professing to be a Christian could be followers of Christ's moral example without buying into the Book of Revelations) but it is certainly true that the question can be interpreted that way for most Christians that adhere to mainstream dogma and even those of the less mainstream musical variety.

antichrist
16-01-2011, 01:48 PM
AC: unfortunately this question is objectionable because it may as well read "Are Christians fools?"

As you should know, given your general erudition concerning things biblical (ogoing on the evidence in other threads), the Bible is full of ancient prophecies and many these - Christians believe - were fulfilled around 2000 years ago.

Tony, I was been (attempted at) convinced 25 years ago by my Born AGain mates that bank cards were a sign of the Anti-Christ, something to do with the code number of the Beast adding up to 666, and that it was prophesied that the end was near, due to certain calamities at the time.

Well 25 years later I still have those same friends, that are using bank cards by the dozen and have forgotten those end-time stories that did not come true.

Well due to certain reasons I had to tolerate their blettings which time has proven (and I knew anyway) were a load of hogwash. One mate got sacked coz he did not go along with them.

So are supposed to forget that they earbashed and attempted to intimidate people into accepting their rubbish.

antichrist
16-01-2011, 01:51 PM
The Three Wise Men were thought to be a number of different characters. I've even listened to documentaries on The History Channel where they say the men were thought to be "alien vistors from outer space".

Well the priests never explained that one to me, I want my donation back.

And we are supposed to take this all seriously?

And they are teaching this to innocent gullible children in state and private schools.

Are we sure that they were not gay as well?

Igor_Goldenberg
16-01-2011, 03:00 PM
I think this poll requires an option "the only fool is the pollster".

antichrist
16-01-2011, 03:27 PM
I think this poll requires an option "the only fool is the pollster".

That is not necessary coz the Bible states: that the fool in his heart knows that there is a God - you would have to summarise that this fool does not have a heart

Kevin Bonham
16-01-2011, 04:50 PM
I think this poll requires an option "the only fool is the pollster".

It's a closed poll anyway and one from many years ago but there's no reason it couldn't be reopened if there is strong public demand. :lol:

Kaitlin
16-01-2011, 05:17 PM
Rote learners like the bells of Saint Clements

Rincewind
17-01-2011, 08:37 AM
... and citrus fruits.

Capablanca-Fan
21-01-2011, 07:57 AM
AC: unfortunately this question is objectionable because it may as well read "Are Christians fools?"

As you should know, given your general erudition concerning things biblical (ogoing on the evidence in other threads), the Bible is full of ancient prophecies and many these — Christians believe — were fulfilled around 2000 years ago.
Indeed so. See documentation in the DVD Jesus in Genesis: The Messianic Prophecies (http://creation.com/store_redirect.php?sku=30-9-516) ;)

Capablanca-Fan
21-01-2011, 08:02 AM
Tony, I was been (attempted at) convinced 25 years ago by my Born Again mates that bank cards were a sign of the Anti-Christ, something to do with the code number of the Beast adding up to 666, and that it was prophesied that the end was near, due to certain calamities at the time.
Yes, yes, we know about those things. A lot of that is "newspaper exegesis". I have no time for such things, or date setting, Left Behind, etc. That is why it's more important to concentrate on what Dr Dowden mentioned.

Capablanca-Fan
21-01-2011, 08:04 AM
I think this poll requires an option "the only fool is the pollster".
It's a closed poll anyway and one from many years ago but there's no reason it couldn't be reopened if there is strong public demand. :lol:
I would support re-opening if that option were added :lol:

Capablanca-Fan
21-01-2011, 08:06 AM
I am genuine, do we really think etc through out heart. When I last looked up the anatomy transparents in Britticannia(?) it really looked up like a pump. Is there a doctor in the house.
Considering your complete lack of understanding about idiomatic phrases, it's no surprise that Maths was your strong suit (and no, I'm not talking about Armani, nor about a pack of playing cards) rather than English. I suggest you really use your head with this one.

I'm thinking about the implications of my last sentence already :P
Wow, GF actually used to argue logically at one time ;)

Garrett
21-01-2011, 08:10 AM
I would support re-opening if that option were added :lol:

I would certainly vote !

Kevin Bonham
21-01-2011, 10:37 AM
Poll reopened. :lol:

Rincewind
21-01-2011, 10:51 AM
Poll reopened. :lol:

The word "only" is the only reason I am not voting. :)

Kevin Bonham
21-01-2011, 10:54 AM
Improved option added. :owned:

Spiny Norman
21-01-2011, 12:17 PM
Well I voted both "yes" and "no", plus I added a vote for the poll-starter for good measure.

The questions weren't precise enough for my liking. But I assumed that the intent of the poller was to gauge whether bible prophecy believers were deemed as fools because of their belief in prophecy. The poll question and response options seemed to leave open the option that people were or were not fools regardless of their stance towards prophecy.

I have certainly heard some talk about bible prophecy where they were just plain wrong (based on evidence to date). Being wrong doesn't necessarily make them foolish, but I will grant that some of them certainly seem pretty foolish to me.

Since the jury is still out on a great deal of biblical prophecy, I have reserved judgement on whether believers in such prophecies (such as myself) turn out to be foolish or not.

As for the poll proposer, the jury came back a long time ago and it was a unanimous verdict. :whistle:

EDIT: if you subsequently add a poll option for "Possibly, can't tell yet" then add my vote to that and take off the Yes and No responses.

Desmond
21-01-2011, 01:40 PM
IMO bible prophecy believers have been fooled, but I would not go so far as to call them fools. Well, some.

antichrist
29-01-2011, 12:17 PM
QUOTE=Kevin Bonham]Naaah, you're being silly as always. Someone gets points for prophecy if they say something will happen and it does. They don't get points if they say something is happening when it isn't, and it then happens much later.[/QUOTE]

So you are saying that all these Bible prophets don't deserve the time of day coz it is not happening as they are saying it or predicting for past 2,000 years?