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Publicist
25-08-2009, 09:54 PM
Lexus of Blackburn Victorian Championship and Reserves 2009


The details (http://chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_vic_chamlionship.htm) here list

prizes
eligibility
and entry by 2 October 2009.


Further tabs give
playing venues and dates (http://chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_playing_schedule_and_venues.htm)
entry form (http://chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_entry_form.htm)
availability schedule (http://chessvictoria.netfirms.com/new_page_3.htm) form
and, entry information (http://chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_entry_information.htm).

Igor_Goldenberg
01-09-2009, 10:24 AM
I would like to participate, but cannot play on 10 October, 22 October, 12 November and 14 November.
If organisers are happy for me to play those sessions at a different time I will gladly enter the Championship.

Lekko
02-09-2009, 12:19 AM
What time controls is it?

ER
02-09-2009, 02:32 AM
What time controls is it?
90 minutes for all moves plus 30 seconds per move from move one
also check link provided here and on top of page
http://chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_vic_chamlionship.htm

Publicist
02-10-2009, 09:57 AM
* Today, Friday 2 October 8pm, is the closing date for entries into the Lexus-sponsored Victorian Championship and Reserves.



* Arbiters are invited to give 'expressions of availability' by PM to me on here. Three venues are involved; Melbourne CC, Elwood CC, Box Hill CC). Arbiters can express preferences to be involved in a subset of venues and/or dates.

gbekker
06-10-2009, 11:46 AM
Chess Victoria President Katrin Wills, and Croydon Chess Club President Richard Goldsmith, drew lots for the round robin pairing numbers in the Lexus of Blackburn Victorian Championship 2009 as follows:

1.L.Sandler(ACF rating 2240)
2.Wang Sheng Lee(2245)
3.D.Lindberg(1956)
4.D.Hamilton(2065)
5.M.Rujevic(2245)
6.D.Dragicevic(2118)
7.V.Kildisas (ACF rating 1904)
8.D.Johansen(2440)
9.M.Pyke(2065)
10.D.Hacche(2061)
11.E.Levi(2205)
12.C.Gorka(2055)

Below are the first round pairings. Games will be played at Elwood Chess Club (87 Tennyson Street,Elwood) on Saturday October 10th, starting time 1:15 pm:

Sandler-Gorka
Wang-Levi
Lindberg-Hacche
Hamilton-Pyke
Rujevic-Johansen
Dragicevic-Kildisas

Please note that V.Kildisas is replacing Omar Khaled Bashar who had to withdraw due to illness.

Warm regards,

IA Gary Bekker
Chief Arbiter
2009 Vic Championships

Igor_Goldenberg
07-10-2009, 08:59 AM
Quite a few people asked me why I am not playing in VIC championship this year. I actually sent an entry form and asked to be able to rearrange few rounds (as I cannot play on those dates).
Below is my correspondence with Chess Victoria:


Hi Trevor,

It is the first Victorian championship on my memory that does not allow rearranging of the games. It is actually first non-weekend/continuous tournament that does not have any flexibility.
I find it very hard to believe that Victorian Championship will actually run without single game being rearranged/postponed.

Throughout my chess career I always strived to comply with tournament regulation and never caused problems to tournament organisers. I would not request rearrangement without compelling reason, i.e. physically being unable to play on the dates I mentioned in my entry.
Given that there are plenty of time between rounds to play the games and pairing in round robin is not affected by the result of games postponed (or played in advance), I find the position of organisers too rigid. I also doubt this regulation will be very popular in Victorian chess community.

Best regards,

Igor Goldenberg


The original email from Trevor Stunning (removed after request of site moderators) stated that:


- The organising committee intended a policy of zero postponements"
- There is one other player who is requesting a round 1 postponement"
- I am allowed to reschedule round 1, and that's the only change to tournament condition that Chess Victoria will approve.

Carl Gorka
07-10-2009, 09:08 AM
Quite a few people asked me why I am not playing in VIC championship this year. I actually sent an entry form and asked to be able to rearrange few rounds (as I cannot play on those dates).
Below is my correspondence with Chess Victoria:

This is a shame Igor. The tournament would be better for you playing in it. If CV were willing to change their stance on this issue, I would more than happily step aside to let you play in my place. I'd be willing to either not play or drop to the challengers event, if you could be given dispensation to play with postponements.

FWIW, I in some respects admire CV for trying for a no postponement policy, but it does appear too rigid for a RR tournament this long.

Anyway, my offer stands if it can be arranged:)

Basil
07-10-2009, 09:48 AM
Dear CV

Re: Relaxation

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnn n!

HD

ER
07-10-2009, 02:42 PM
lol I can see Igor getting banned! :P

Solo
07-10-2009, 08:52 PM
Why aren't any youngsters playing, such as Cheng, Schon, Antolis, Matheson, Morris, and ... West:D ?

Gattaca
07-10-2009, 09:51 PM
Thanks Mister Solemin. My Dad says I can't play coz I've spent too much time playing on my Wii.

klyall
07-10-2009, 09:55 PM
Why aren't any youngsters playing, such as Cheng, Schon, Antolis, Matheson, Morris, and ... West:D ?


Eugene has the same problem as Igor - he can't play all the games on the specified days - and without the possibility of delayed games or alternative times he could not enter.

Kerry Lyall

Carl Gorka
07-10-2009, 09:59 PM
Eugene has the same problem as Igor - he can't play all the games on the specified days - and without the possibility of delayed games or alternative times he could not enter.

Kerry Lyall

I have had to rearrange my life a bit, and even then Ionly just made it.

Do you think the timing of the Championship late in the year may prevent some juniors from participating because of exam responsibilities?

Would a July/August timetable be better for future years?

gbekker
07-10-2009, 10:45 PM
Please find the final list for the Reserves tournament

The drawing of the lots has been done.

1.Joshua Ng(ACF 1268)
2.Tumula Gamage (unr)
3.N.Ivanov(1428)
4.Issac Ng (1659)
5.J.WAllmuller(1702)
6.Wijesuriya Vineetha(FIDE 1897)
7.D.Toper(1225)
8.D.Beaumont(1828)
9.M.Dizdarevic(1898)
10.R.Beattie(1696)

The first round pairings are as follows:
J.Ng-R.Beattie
Tumula Gamage-M.Dizdarevic
N.Ivanov-D.Beaumont
I.Ng-D.Toper
J.Wallmuller-Wijesuriya Vineetha

First round will be played Saturday October 10th at Elwood Chess Club (87 Tennyson Street,Elwood). Starting time 1-15 pm

that Caesar guy
09-10-2009, 07:12 PM
Just letting people know, that I have taken Carl Gorka's place in the championships. This means that I cannot participate for MCC in the Quad Cup; however, Carl has generously decided he would replace me in that.

J.M.

Thunderspirit
09-10-2009, 07:37 PM
Just letting people know, that I have taken Carl Gorka's place in the championships. This means that I cannot participate for MCC in the Quad Cup; however, Carl has generously decided he would replace me in that.

J.M.

Have fun James, good luck for you in all your games.

Carl Gorka
09-10-2009, 09:01 PM
Just letting people know, that I have taken Carl Gorka's place in the championships. This means that I cannot participate for MCC in the Quad Cup; however, Carl has generously decided he would replace me in that.

J.M.
No worries James, good luck in the Championship:)

ER
10-10-2009, 08:41 AM
For your information, there were two more vacancies in the Reserves last night (people withdrew from the event at the last moment)!
Trevor was trying to fill the places, I think he had achieved to do so in one, and was almost certain he would fill the other as well!
In here, the draw published on 7/10/09 by Gary IS NOT CORRECT. Please someone publish the correct details.
This is another example of what happens when the organisers choose only one media outlet to publicise their event!
ORGANISERS please GET IT! Information IS NOT A PERSONALITY contest!
This is supposed to be one of (if not the) most important events of the year for our State!
In CV's website
one tab for
playing venues and dates
another for entry form
another for
availability schedule form
and yet another for
entry information.

However, if you guessed, that no updates of the draw are published there, you are correct!

ER
10-10-2009, 11:01 AM
k see you there in a few! I live minutes away from the venue! :) GO MIRKO!!!!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Publicist
10-10-2009, 01:01 PM
The CV web master can only update the web details if they are made available by the organisers. JAK Leave the sarcasm to my denegrators There are enough of them without my friends getting involved

gbekker
10-10-2009, 02:43 PM
Championship:
Morris : Kildisas
Johansen : Dragicevic
Pyke : Rujevic
Hacche : Hamilton
Levi : Lindberg
Sandler : Lee

Reserves:
Beattie : Toper
Wijesuriya : Hayman
Beaumont : Renzies
Dizdarevic : Ivanov
Flude : Gamage

Chief Arbiter
IA Gary Bekker

ER
10-10-2009, 06:37 PM
I drew with Wijesuriya after an eventful game which I will publish later. Apparently the lady has represented Sri Lanka and she is very strong but so am I! :P


The CV web master can only update the web details if they are made available by the organisers. JAK Leave the sarcasm to my denegrators There are enough of them without my friends getting involved

Publicist, it's not about sarcasm! It's about using the means available to provide information to the chess public. If you think that it is fair to have this Forum without the 1st Round results ok by me.
If again you see fit not to update CV website fine with me again!
Apologies if I am wrong, I will not touch this subject again!
My game follows soon!

Here it is:
Event: Vic Champ 2009 Reserves
Site: Elwood Chess Club
Date: 10/10/09
Round: One
White Renzies
Black: Wijesuriya
Result: Draw


1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 e6 4. Nf3 d5 5. exd5 exd5 6. Bb5 d4 7. Qe2
Be7 8. Ne4 Kf8 9. O-O Nh6 10. a3 a6 11. Bc4 b5 12. Ba2 Qc7 13. d3 Nd8 14. Bd2
Bb7 15. c3 Nf5 16. g4 dxc3 17. bxc3 Nd6 18. Ng3 h6 19. Ne5 Bh4 20. Rae1 c4 21.
dxc4 bxc4 22. Bxc4 Bxg3 23. hxg3 Nc6 24. Bd3 Re8 25. Qh2 Nxe5 26. fxe5 Nc4 27.
Bxc4 Qxc4 28. Qf2 Bd5 29. Qe3 Be6 30. Rf4 Qc8 31. Ref1 Rd8 32. Rd4 h5 33. g5 g6
34. Qd3 Ke7 35. Qb1 Rxd4 36. cxd4 Rd8 37. Qb4 Ke8 38. Rc1 Qa8 39. Rc7 Rd7 40.
Rxd7 Bxd7 41. Qd6 Qc6 42. Qb8 Ke7 43. Qh8 Be6 44. Bb4 Kd7 45. Qf6 Qc1 46.
Kh2 46... Qc2+ 47. Kg1 Qd1 48. Kh2 Qxd4 49. Qe7 Kc6
50. Qd6 Qxd6 51. Bxd6

BTW it was nice to see my friends Domagoj Dragicevic and Mehmetaliya Dizdarevic from Noble Park Chess Club, after a few months!
Also after a long time I saw Malcolm Pyke, David Baumont, Dougie Lindberg, Ed. Levi, Nikola Ivanov and last but not least Mirko Rujevic! (The opening I played in the above game was a tribute to him! :) All in great shape! Roger forfeited vs David Flude and Fludey was at his wild best to make his presence felt throughout the 1st round! :P

Bereaved
10-10-2009, 07:31 PM
Hello everyone,

Here are the round 1 results of the championships






1 Leonid Sandler 2332 2240 [0] 0:1 James Morris 2194 2160 [0]
2 Wang-Sheng Lee 2254 2245 [0] .5:.5 Eddy L Levi 2242 2205 [0]
3 Douglas Lindberg 2039 1956 [0] .5:.5 David J Hacche 2164 2061 [0]
4 Douglas G Hamilton 2196 2065 [0] 1:0 Malcolm L Pyke 2140 2065 [0]
5 Mirko Rujevic 2300 2245 [0] 0:1 Darryl K Johansen 2477 2440 [0]
6 Domagoj Dragicevic 2215 2118 [0] 1:0 Victor E Kildisas 2019 1904 [0]



Take care and God Bless, Macavity

ER
10-10-2009, 07:44 PM
thanks Malcolm! :) :clap:

Publicist
11-10-2009, 06:23 AM
Round 1 results and the draw for round 2 can be found on the CV web site by following this link: http://chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_results.htm

gbekker
12-10-2009, 01:32 PM
Championship division games from round 1:

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.10
Round: 1
White: Lee, Wang-Sheng
Black: Levi, Eddy
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: D06

1. Nf3 d5 2. d4 c5 3. c4 cxd4 4. cxd5 Nf6 5. Qxd4 Qxd5 6. Nc3 Qxd4 7. Nxd4 Bd7
8. Ndb5 Na6 9. Bf4 Nd5 10. e3 Nxf4 11. exf4 e6 12. O-O-O Bc5 13. Nd6+ Bxd6 14.
Rxd6 Ke7 15. Rd4 Nc7 16. Be2 Bc6 17. Rhd1 Rhd8 18. g3 Rxd4 1/2-1/2

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.10
Round: 1
White: Hamilton, Doug
Black: Pyke, Malcolm
Result: 1-0
ECO: C12

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Bb4 5. e5 h6 6. Bd2 Bxc3 7. bxc3 Ne4 8. Qg4
Kf8 9. Bd3 Nxd2 10. Kxd2 Qg5+ 11. Qxg5 hxg5 12. h4 Rxh4 13. Nf3 Rxh1 14. Rxh1
Nd7 15. Nxg5 Kg8 16. Rh3 c6 17. Bh7+ Kf8 18. Rf3 f6 19. Nxe6+ Ke7 20. Nxg7 fxe5
21. Bg6 exd4 22. Rf7+ Kd6 23. cxd4 c5 24. c3 b6 25. Ne8+ Kc6 26. Bf5 cxd4 27.
cxd4 b5 28. g4 b4 29. g5 Rb8 30. g6 Nb6 31. Rc7+ Kb5 32. Nd6+ 1-0

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.10
Round: 1
White: Sandler, Leonid
Black: Morris, James
Result: 0-1
ECO: D26

1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Bxc4 a6 6. O-O b5 7. Bd3 Bb7 8. a4
b4 9. Qe2 Nbd7 10. Rd1 Be7 11. Nbd2 O-O 12. e4 c5 13. e5 Nd5 14. Nc4 cxd4 15.
Nxd4 Bc5 16. Nb3 Qh4 17. g3 Qh3 18. Be4 Rac8 19. Nxc5 Nxc5 20. Bf3 Nb3 21. Rb1
Qf5 22. Be4 Nc3 23. bxc3 Qxe4 24. Qxe4 Bxe4 25. Rxb3 Bc2 26. Rxb4 Bxd1 27. Bd2
Bf3 28. h3 Rfd8 29. Nd6 Rc5 30. Rf4 Rxe5 31. Nxf7 Rxd2 32. Rxf3 Re1+ 33. Kg2 h6
0-1

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.10
Round: 1
White: Lindberg, Douglas
Black: Hacche, David
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: C03

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 Be7 4. Ngf3 b6 5. Bd3 Nf6 6. e5 Nfd7 7. O-O c5 8. c3
Ba6 9. Bxa6 Nxa6 10. Qe2 Nc7 11. Ne1 O-O 12. f4 f5 13. a4 a6 14. Nc2 b5 15. b3
c4 16. a5 cxb3 17. Nxb3 Qc8 18. Nb4 Ne8 19. Bb2 Ra7 20. Rfc1 Rc7 21. Qe1 Nb8
22. Nd3 Rc4 23. Nd2 Nc7 24. Ba3 Bxa3 25. Rxa3 Nc6 26. Nxc4 dxc4 27. Nb2 Nd5 28.
g3 Qd8 29. Ra2 Rf7 30. Nd1 b4 31. Ra4 Qd7 32. Rxb4 Ndxb4 33. cxb4 Qxd4+ 34. Qe3
Rd7 35. Qxd4 Rxd4 36. Ne3 Nxb4 37. Rxc4 Rxc4 1/2-1/2

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.10
Round: 1
White: Rujevic, Mirko
Black: Johansen, Darryl
Result: 0-1
ECO: B43

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 e6 3. Nf3 a6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 b5 6. Bd3 Qb6 7. Nb3 Qc7 8. O-O
Bb7 9. Qe2 d6 10. f4 Nd7 11. Nd4 Ngf6 12. a3 g6 13. Be3 Bg7 14. Rad1 O-O 15.
Kh1 Nc5 16. Bg1 Rad8 17. Nf3 e5 18. fxe5 dxe5 19. Qe3 Nxd3 20. cxd3 Rfe8 21.
Qb6 Qd7 22. Nxe5 Rxe5 23. Rxf6 Bxf6 24. Qxf6 Re6 25. Qh4 f5 26. Qg3 fxe4 27.
dxe4 Qe8 28. Rxd8 Qxd8 29. Qf4 Qd6 30. Qg4 Re8 31. h3 Qe6 32. Qh4 Bxe4 33. Bd4
Bb7 34. Qh6 Re7 35. Kg1 Qd6 36. Qh4 Rd7 37. Ne2 Qe6 38. Nc3 Qc4 39. Bf2 Qxh4
40. Bxh4 Rd2 0-1

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.10
Round: 1
White: Dragicevic, Domagoj
Black: Kildisas, Victor
Result: 1-0
ECO: C33

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Nc3 c6 5. Bb3 d5 6. exd5 cxd5 7. d4 Bg4 8.
Nf3 Qe7+ 9. Kf1 Nc6 10. Bxf4 O-O-O 11. h3 Bxf3 12. Qxf3 Nxd4 13. Qd3 Nc6 14.
Nxd5 Nxd5 15. Bxd5 Qf6 16. Qc4 Rxd5 17. Qxd5 Qxf4+ 18. Qf3 Qxf3+ 19. gxf3 Bc5
20. Kg2 Re8 21. Rhe1 Rxe1 22. Rxe1 Kd7 23. c3 Bd6 24. Re2 f5 25. Rd2 g5 26. b4
Ne5 27. Rd4 Ng6 28. c4 Nf4+ 29. Kf1 Ke7 30. c5 Be5 31. Rd1 Nxh3 32. b5 Nf4 33.
c6 bxc6 34. bxc6 Bd6 35. Rb1 Nd5 36. Rb7+ Bc7 37. Rxa7 Kd6 38. Ra8 h5 39. Rg8
g4 40. Rg5 h4 41. fxg4 fxg4 42. Kg2 h3+ 43. Kg3 Kxc6+ 44. Kxg4 h2 45. Rg6+ Kc5
46. Rh6 Kd4 47. Kf3 Ne3 48. a4 Nf5 49. Rh5 Bg3 50. Rh3 Bc7 51. Rh5 Kd3 52. Kg2
Ne3+ 53. Kf3 Nf5 54. Rh7 Nd4+ 55. Kg2 Be5 56. a5 Nc2 57. a6 Ne3+ 58. Kh1 Bd4
59. Rd7 Nc4 60. a7 Nb6 61. Rd8 Kc4 62. Rb8 Na8 63. Rxa8 Kd3 64. Rd8 1-0

gbekker
12-10-2009, 01:39 PM
Ivanov - Beaumont

In the position after 63...Qe2+, Nikola Ivanov verbally claimed "draw" (not using the correct procedure) and the tournament director Leonid Sandler accepted the draw and then stopped and removed the clocks. At that point Nikola Ivanov and others began some analysis, commenting that White must repeat the position since 64.Kg3 loses. Nikola moved his king to this position to examine the consequences. At this point, David Beaumont explained that the correct draw claim procedures had not been followed, and that the move 64.Kg3?? should stand and the game should continue. I as Chief Arbiter disagreed and declared the game drawn.

An appeals committee upheld David Beaumont's appeal, and decided that the game should be continued, from the position where the irregular draw claim occurred, otherwise the draw should stand. The appeals committee agreed that Nikola Ivanov could not be compelled to play a move made during analysis after the clocks had been stopped and removed.

The players will be asked to continue play from the position after 63...Qe2+ on Tuesday, or accept the draw result.

Chief Arbiter
Gary Bekker


Event: Victorian Ch Reserves
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.10
Round: 1
White: Ivanov, Nikola
Black: Beaumont, David
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: B30

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. d3 d5 5. Be2 d4 6. Nb1 e5 7. Nbd2 Be7 8. O-O
O-O 9. Nc4 Qc7 10. Bg5 Ne8 11. Qc1 f6 12. Bh4 Be6 13. Nfd2 g5 14. Bg3 b5 15.
Na3 Rb8 16. b3 a6 17. Nf3 h6 18. Nb1 Rd8 19. Nbd2 Nd6 20. h3 Rf7 21. Nh2 Rh7
22. Bh5 c4 23. Ndf3 Nb7 24. Ng4 Nc5 25. Rd1 Kg7 26. Rb1 Bf7 27. Bxf7 Kxf7 28.
h4 h5 29. Ngh2 g4 30. Ne1 Nb4 31. Ra1 cxd3 32. cxd3 Rc8 33. Qd2 a5 34. Rdc1 Bf8
35. Qe2 Bh6 36. Rcb1 Ne6 37. a3 Nc2 38. Ra2 Nxe1 39. Qxe1 Qc3 40. Qd1 Rg7 41.
Nf1 Kg6 42. Kh2 Bf4 43. f3 Kh6 44. Kh1 gxf3 45. Qxf3 Rcg8 46. Be1 Qc5 47. g3
Be3 48. Bxa5 Rg6 49. Bb4 Qb6 50. Bd2 Bxd2 51. Rxd2 Nc5 52. Qd1 Qe6 53. Kh2 Rg4
54. Rc2 Nxb3 55. Rc7 Nc5 56. Qc1+ Kg6 57. Rxc5 Rxg3 58. Nxg3 Qg4 59. Nf5 Qe2+
60. Kh1 Qf3+ 61. Kh2 Qe2+ 62. Kh3 Qg4+ 63. Kh2 Qe2+ 1/2-1/2

Bill Gletsos
12-10-2009, 02:09 PM
Ivanov - Beaumont

In the position after 63...Qe2+, Nikola Ivanov verbally claimed "draw" (not using the correct procedure)What procedure did Ivanov use and what procedure should he have used?

After Beaumont's 63...Qe2+ the position has repeated 3 times.
As such Article 9.2 b applies and all his opponent Ivanov needs to do is claim it.


Article 9.2

The game is drawn upon a correct claim by the player having the move, when the same position, for at least the third time (not necessarily by a repetition of moves):

a. is about to appear, if he first writes his move on his scoresheet and declares to the arbiter his intention to make this move, or

b. has just appeared, and the player claiming the draw has the move.

Kevin Bonham
12-10-2009, 02:56 PM
Further to Bill's comments, note that under 9.5 of the 2009 FIDE Laws of Chess the player is no longer required to stop the clocks:


If a player claims a draw as in Article 9.2 or 9.3 he may stop both clocks.

So if Ivanov indicated verbally to the arbiter that he claimed a draw then that is sufficient.

If this is indeed the case then:
* IM Sandler's initial decision is correct.
* Beaumont's claim of incorrect procedure is incorrect.
* Beaumont's attempt to have the opponent compelled to play a move played in analysis after a draw was declared by the arbiter is not only ludicrous but also unsporting.
* The appeal committee decision is incorrect.

The only case I can think of in which correct procedure under the 2009 Laws might be ruled not to have been followed would be if there was genuine ambiguity about whether Ivanov was offering a draw as opposed to claiming it. From your account it does not sound like this was the case.

Bill Gletsos
12-10-2009, 02:57 PM
Ivanov - Beaumont

In the position after 63...Qe2+, Nikola Ivanov verbally claimed "draw" (not using the correct procedure) and the tournament director Leonid Sandler accepted the draw and then stopped and removed the clocks. At that point Nikola Ivanov and others began some analysis, commenting that White must repeat the position since 64.Kg3 loses. Nikola moved his king to this position to examine the consequences. At this point, David Beaumont explained that the correct draw claim procedures had not been followed, and that the move 64.Kg3?? should stand and the game should continue. I as Chief Arbiter disagreed and declared the game drawn.This is pretty poor behaviour on David Beaumont's part to try and force a move after the Arbiter has not only stopped and removed the clocks but declared a result.

Kevin Bonham
12-10-2009, 03:39 PM
In the other place Beaumont has highlighted:


Both players must record the offer of a draw on the scoresheet. (See Appendix C.13)

But if Ivanov claimed a draw then the only justification for highlighting this is that a claim is also considered to be an offer (in that the opponent can decide to accept a draw whatever the ruling). Probably the language of the laws needs a tidy-up here but that's no reason to debar the draw claim.

Beaumont also claims that a spectator removed the clock and there seems to be some discrepancy in accounts about whether and at what point the draw was claimed to the arbiter.

The appeals committee according to Beaumont was Malcolm Pyke, David Hacche and IM-elect James Morris.

I don't think Beaumont has much understanding of the rules since he writes:


With due respect, I played the last move, not my opponent. Therefore I do not see how my opponent can claim three fold repetition in the manner described. If we remember that my opponent did not notify the arbiter.

But notifying the arbiter is only required under 9.2a when a player declares his intention to make a move that will create a draw under this rule.

It is not required under 9.2b when the repetition has already appeared.

Bill Gletsos
12-10-2009, 04:06 PM
But if Ivanov claimed a draw then the only justification for highlighting this is that a claim is also considered to be an offer (in that the opponent can decide to accept a draw whatever the ruling). Probably the language of the laws needs a tidy-up here but that's no reason to debar the draw claim.Totally agree.

But notifying the arbiter is only required under 9.2a when a player declares his intention to make a move that will create a draw under this rule.

It is not required under 9.2b when the repetition has already appeared.Correct.

antichrist
12-10-2009, 05:03 PM
Just letting people know, that I have taken Carl Gorka's place in the championships. This means that I cannot participate for MCC in the Quad Cup; however, Carl has generously decided he would replace me in that.

J.M.

I know that you were not just waiting to see who was in the field before applying. Good luck anyway

that Caesar guy
12-10-2009, 07:18 PM
I know that you were not just waiting to see who was in the field before applying. Good luck anyway
Nah, I originally couldn't play because of cricket occupying the two weekdays, but then I buggered up my finger, so I couldn't play cricket. Luckily Carl allowed me to play :D

JM

Carl Gorka
12-10-2009, 08:58 PM
Nah, I originally couldn't play because of cricket occupying the two weekdays, but then I buggered up my finger, so I couldn't play cricket. Luckily Carl allowed me to play :D

JM

Lets get it right, James....I was willing to step aside, but the organisers agreed to this and let you play:)

Kevin Bonham
12-10-2009, 09:38 PM
Reading Beaumont's comments elsewhere it seems that a root cause of the dispute is that Beaumont was somehow not aware that IM Sandler was an arbiter for the tournament and considered Sandler to be a spectator. So when his opponent says "draw" with (he thinks) no arbiter in sight, Beaumont doesn't think it's a draw claim, and believes the game is still going.

that Caesar guy
12-10-2009, 09:44 PM
Lets get it right, James....I was willing to step aside, but the organisers agreed to this and let you play:)
Thats right. U said it :D

Bill Gletsos
12-10-2009, 10:15 PM
Reading Beaumont's comments elsewhere it seems that a root cause of the dispute is that Beaumont was somehow not aware that IM Sandler was an arbiter for the tournament and considered Sandler to be a spectator. So when his opponent says "draw" with (he thinks) no arbiter in sight, Beaumont doesn't think it's a draw claim, and believes the game is still going.Of course even if there was no arbiter at the board it does not invalidate Ivanov's claim as according to Article 9.2b there is no requirement for him to summon the arbiter.

MichaelBaron
12-10-2009, 10:54 PM
I do not understand why there is a point in continuing the game....what can white do there? Keep moving has king h3-h2-h1. And what can black do? keep checking? I think a draw will be agreed without resumption.

Kevin Bonham
12-10-2009, 11:03 PM
I do not understand why there is a point in continuing the game....what can white do there? Keep moving has king h3-h2-h1. And what can black do? keep checking?

White could even show up and say "I claim a draw" without playing any moves at all and the arbiters would have to award a draw immediately.


I think a draw will be agreed without resumption.

One would think so but I would never overestimate firegoat's rationality.

MichaelBaron
12-10-2009, 11:07 PM
White could even show up and say "I claim a draw" without playing any moves at all and the arbiters would have to award a draw immediately.



One would think so but I would never overestimate firegoat's rationality.

True, but what were the appeals committee members thinking? :lol:

ER
12-10-2009, 11:37 PM
With all this noise, there goes my chance for a bit of a glory having drawn my game vs Mrs Wijesuriya a Sri Lankan Olympiad representative! :(

On the other hand things in Nikola vs David game weren't as clear cut for people to reach conclusions.
After I finished my game, I went to follow procedures on their game which I initially thought that Nikola must have won since of what I had seen the last time I had checked, his material and positional advantage was just overwhelming!
There was a number of people around the board and in the general confusion I saw Nikola moving his King in various squares verbally analysing the position. There was not a clock on the table, then judging by Nikola's sayings I realised that David had somehow managed to get a draw.
I was about to say something like "hey, he didn't go to Europe for nothing" or something like that to indicate that David is an experienced player and as such he is able to swindle his way trhough even in a bad position, then David said: "I haven't agreed for a draw" also indicating that at some stage during the procedure Nikola (who had the move) had placed his King on the deadly g3 square!
I just referred to what I saw not knowing how many times the position was repeated or who took the clock from the table!
When I saw the argument getting to the hands of the arbiter and the dispute committee I got away and started talking to my friend Mehmetalya Dijdarevic!

Kevin Bonham
12-10-2009, 11:50 PM
justaknight, perhaps you can assist as a neutral witness here: in your understanding as a participant in the tournament, who are the arbiters, and how was this announced?

ER
13-10-2009, 12:08 AM
justaknight, perhaps you can assist as a neutral witness here: in your understanding as a participant in the tournament, who are the arbiters, and how was this announced?
According to my understanding Gary is the arbiter, he was the one to make the announcements at the beginning and he was the one to start the clock in the Flude vs Beattie game. He also stopped the clock after Beattie didn't show up on time. He was also the one who told Nikola, after the dispute committee had finished their proceedings "I have good and bad news for you" and of what I understand the good news was that Nikola wasn't going to be penalised but the bad news was that the game had to be continued at the point it had stopped!
When I heard that second part of the statement I realised that the game was alive so I decided to keep my big mouth shut and say nothing about it to either player!

lost
13-10-2009, 12:13 AM
Elliott,

You have being very informative person on this incident. Thank you for your thoughts on this incident.

lost

ER
13-10-2009, 12:25 AM
Thanks Jamie, It is actually very useful to go through the rules referred to by Bill and Kev here, since situations like these can arise at any time and we as players should know what to do!

lost
13-10-2009, 12:28 AM
Thanks Jamie, It is actually very useful to go through the rules referred to by Bill and Kev here, since situations like these can arise at any time and we as players should know what to do!

Elliott,

It's interesting how many players don't know this. That's why I would recommend everyone to go and do an arbiter's course and you are equipped.

As Elliott has mentioned in the arbiter's forum, get on board and be an arbiter!!

:)

lost

ER
13-10-2009, 12:30 AM
As Elliott has mentioned in the arbiter's forum, get on board and be an arbiter!!

:)

lost

and don't blame me for the misfortunes of the trade! :P
Hey Jamie, if chess is an art and a science and a sport, a chess arbiter must be something like a semi-god! :)

lost
13-10-2009, 12:34 AM
and don't blame me for the misfortunes of the trade! :P
Hey Jamie, if chess is an art and a science and a sport, a chess arbiter must be something like a semi-god! :)

Nailed it on the head Elliott. I have done the arbiter's course that was run by Gary Bekker and I can tell you, you learn a lot from this.

lost

Bereaved
13-10-2009, 01:52 AM
Hello everyone,

Well it only seems fair to have my tale of the event as well.

Chapter 1 Ivanov - Beaumont

I was watching the Ivanov - Beaumont game in the moves leading up to the incident of the draw claim. When the move 63...Qe2 was played, Nikola just said " Draw " at which point it was evident that Nikola considered the game concluded. He did not wait for his opponent David to acknowledge his claim, or to ask for clarification of whether Nikola was offering or claiming a draw, and proceeded to begin analyzing immediately. It was also at about this time ( less than 30 seconds after Nikola had uttered the word " Draw " ) that Leonid Sandler took the clock away, stopped it, and went to go and carry it away to put it with the other CV equipment being used that day. It was at this point that David questioned the nature of proceedings.

I believe that in this matter although it may seem to be pedantry, that merely saying "draw", is more of an offer than a claim. That a claim is valid is not the issue, it did not come across as a claim. I watched all of this.

Chapter 2 Flude - Beattie


On a further note of pedantry, Roger Beattie was forfeited in his first round game against David Flude after arriving at the venue 45 minutes after the start of play.

At the actual opening of the event, in the introductory comments from Gary Bekker, the players were informed that there was to be a 30 minute forfeiture time for this event. I have not since been able to find any reference to this forfeit time on any forum, or on the CV website. I feel that it was wrong to forfeit Roger in this game, and that the absence of any pre tournament notice of this matter is reprehensible. I do not believe that there is any mention of it anywhere on the net save in this discussion, and an Other discussion. Not on the CV website to the best of my knowledge. And this discussion has only come to light in the event of the forfeiture of Roger in his first round game.

Had I been Roger's opponent, I would have wished to have played the game. Had I been the arbiter, I would have attempted to have the game played ( if the player who had been present at the venue refused, there would be little to be done ).

I believe that the main thing is to be being seen to be consistent. I would have thought that if one branch of the rules is to strictly enforced, then all should be. Or conversely, if some laxness is applied in a given matter, then this also should be applied evenly.

Regarding arbiters

I do not believe that Leonid Sandler is considered to be an arbiter or assistant arbiter for the reserves. As such, if it truly were to be a clear claim of a triple repetition, then the least he could have done was look at the score sheet. This seems to be important in these issues, even if it is quite clear cut that neither side can deviate at their peril. I would not want to allow a claim in events I had been arbiter of without looking at the score sheet. If I was a spectator at an event, ie not in the capacity of arbiter/assistant arbiter, I would instead get one of such persons to officiate in the matter.


Take care and God Bless, Macavity

Basil
13-10-2009, 02:39 AM
On a further note of pedantry, Roger Beattie was forfeited in his first round game against David Flude after arriving at the venue 45 minutes after the start of play.
I believe it is now FIDE ('law') rules. The 30 minute rule is to be advertised if varied or in absence of that variance, then the 30 minute rule stands. Same as for ringing phones - no advertising required, save to advertise a variation from the law.

Igor_Goldenberg
13-10-2009, 09:12 AM
I think Darryl will steamroll the championship.
While anyone can have a good score against Johansen, I can't see anyone capable of scoring lot's of points against the rest of the player. The only possible exception is James Morris, who, if in good shape and luck, might become a contender.

Bill Gletsos
13-10-2009, 10:08 AM
I believe it is now FIDE ('law') rules. The 30 minute rule is to be advertised if varied or in absence of that variance, then the 30 minute rule stands.Actually it is the zero minute rule.
If the time is to be anything other than zero minutes it must be advertised.

Basil
13-10-2009, 11:23 AM
Actually it is the zero minute rule.
If the time is to be anything other than zero minutes it must be advertised.
Roger that and thank you. I confused the zero rule with the thirty minute rule that we have elected to adopt at the Brisbane CC.

Kevin Bonham
13-10-2009, 01:03 PM
I note that firegoat7 (David Beaumont) is continually misrepresenting my position. Contrary to his claims otherwise, I do not believe that Ivanov simply saying "draw" is by itself automatically enough to end the game and indeed I made this crystal clear in my very first post on the matter, where I wrote:


The only case I can think of in which correct procedure under the 2009 Laws might be ruled not to have been followed would be if there was genuine ambiguity about whether Ivanov was offering a draw as opposed to claiming it.

It is very often a problem that players just say "draw" and it is unclear whether they are claiming the draw or offering it. This is particularly a problem with some players from non-English speaking backgrounds. For clarity the player should ideally say "I claim a draw".

However, in this instance if, as macavity states, Ivanov said "draw" and then went into post-mortem mode right away without waiting for Beaumont to agree, then how could that possibly be an offer? If it is an offer as opposed to a claim then he needs his opponent to agree to the offer before the game is drawn. Ivanov was of the view that the game was over without requiring any agreement from his opponent, and therefore his use of the otherwise ambiguous word "draw" can only be interpreted as a claim.

Even Beaumont explicitly admits it was not an offer of a draw but a unilateral claim that the game was drawn:


Basically the dispute revolves around me playing a move 63...Qe2 and my opponent then declaring the game a draw

(my emphasis)

My view is actually that Ivanov saying "draw" and then behaving in the described manner is enough to show that he had validly claimed a draw under the 2009 Laws. Had he just said "draw" and then sat there for a long time waiting to see if Beaumont agreed then it would have been less clear whether he was claiming or offering. But this is not what occurred.

So considering it to be "more of an offer than a claim" seems to me to be not "pedantry" but simply incorrect - at least on the stated evidence.


I would not want to allow a claim in events I had been arbiter of without looking at the score sheet. If I was a spectator at an event, ie not in the capacity of arbiter/assistant arbiter, I would instead get one of such persons to officiate in the matter.

Yes, and furthermore a player who has claimed a draw should ideally not commence analysis until the claim has been verified by an appointed arbiter checking the scoresheet, since if the claim should turn out to be wrong then reconstructing the position may be obstructed.

But all that is irrelevant to the fact that Ivanov's draw claim was correct and, whatever happened afterwards, that should be the result of the game.

It may seem like no big deal since the game will just be resumed and presumably drawn in fifteen seconds anyway but sometimes players from non-English speaking backgrounds can become frustrated in these sorts of situations so it is best to get it right in the first place.

Bill Gletsos
13-10-2009, 01:14 PM
Roger that and thank you. I confused the zero rule with the thirty minute rule that we have elected to adopt at the Brisbane CC.Just to avoid any confusion they are using a 30 min rule at the Vic Championship but my point was that the FIDE law refers to zero mins not 30 mins.

Bill Gletsos
13-10-2009, 01:28 PM
Chapter 2 Flude - Beattie


On a further note of pedantry, Roger Beattie was forfeited in his first round game against David Flude after arriving at the venue 45 minutes after the start of play.

At the actual opening of the event, in the introductory comments from Gary Bekker, the players were informed that there was to be a 30 minute forfeiture time for this event. I have not since been able to find any reference to this forfeit time on any forum, or on the CV website. I feel that it was wrong to forfeit Roger in this game, and that the absence of any pre tournament notice of this matter is reprehensible. I do not believe that there is any mention of it anywhere on the net save in this discussion, and an Other discussion. Not on the CV website to the best of my knowledge. And this discussion has only come to light in the event of the forfeiture of Roger in his first round game.

Had I been Roger's opponent, I would have wished to have played the game. Had I been the arbiter, I would have attempted to have the game played ( if the player who had been present at the venue refused, there would be little to be done ).

I believe that the main thing is to be being seen to be consistent. I would have thought that if one branch of the rules is to strictly enforced, then all should be. Or conversely, if some laxness is applied in a given matter, then this also should be applied evenly.I notice you say that there was no notice of the forfeiture time being advertised as 30 minutes.
Under the 2009 FIDE Laws of Chess the default forfeiture time is zero minutes. As such being 45 minutes late Beattie will lose under either scenario.

Now the 2009 Laws of Chess do not permit any arbiter discretion if the default forfeiture time of zero minutes is in force.
However even if the forfeiture time is changed to something else, in this case 30 minutes their is still no arbiter discretion unless it is specifically stated.

As such statements or notices that simply say something such as:


a) Instead of zero minutes the forfeiture time will be xx minutes for this event
b) Any player who arrives at the chessboard more than xx minutes after the start of the session shall lose the game.do not allow for any arbiter discretion.

If the tournament wishes to allow arbiter discretion the following wording should be used.

Any player who arrives at the chessboard more than xx minutes after the start of the session shall lose the game unless the arbiter decides otherwise.

Basil
13-10-2009, 02:00 PM
Just to avoid any confusion they are using a 30 min rule at the Vic Championship but my point was that the FIDE law refers to zero mins not 30 mins.
No confusion from my end - not since you fixed it up first time - thanks.

Davidflude
13-10-2009, 05:05 PM
2 Flude - Beattie[/B]


On a further note of pedantry, Roger Beattie was forfeited in his first round game against David Flude after arriving at the venue 45 minutes after the start of play.

At the actual opening of the event, in the introductory comments from Gary Bekker, the players were informed that there was to be a 30 minute forfeiture time for this event. I have not since been able to find any reference to this forfeit time on any forum, or on the CV website. I feel that it was wrong to forfeit Roger in this game, and that the absence of any pre tournament notice of this matter is reprehensible. I do not believe that there is any mention of it anywhere on the net save in this discussion, and an Other discussion. Not on the CV website to the best of my knowledge. And this discussion has only come to light in the event of the forfeiture of Roger in his first round game.

Had I been Roger's opponent, I would have wished to have played the game.

The Fide rules in question are in my opinion totally inflexible and devoid of common sense. In particular a player was defaulted at the Olympiad for going to the dunny instead of sitting at the board at the specified start time. I did point out to the Director of play that the thirty minutes had elapsed. After that I took no further part in the decision to default Roger. The director of play made the decision. Having previously seen the FIDE rules I avoided involvement.


Had I been the arbiter, I would have attempted to have the game played. ( if the player who had been present at the venue refused, there would be little to be done ).

I abide by Arbiters decisions. Very recently I had an arbiter make a decision which in my opinion was completely wrong. Nevertheless I accepted the decision and played on.

Arbiters tend to be amateurs doing a difficult job. Players should avoid maing their job more difficult.

Ian CCC
13-10-2009, 05:10 PM
Hi,

Can someone please explain why the following rule was not in operation:


8.7
At the conclusion of the game both players shall sign both scoresheets, indicating the result of the game. Even if incorrect, this result shall stand, unless the arbiter decides otherwise.

Given the status of the event I would have thought that signing of scoresheets should happen before any analysis took place. Signing of the scoresheets would have resolved any ambiguity regarding the result of the game.

Desmond
13-10-2009, 05:20 PM
Hi,

Can someone please explain why the following rule was not in operation:


8.7
At the conclusion of the game both players shall sign both scoresheets, indicating the result of the game. Even if incorrect, this result shall stand, unless the arbiter decides otherwise.

Given the status of the event I would have thought that signing of scoresheets should happen before any analysis took place. Signing of the scoresheets would have resolved any ambiguity regarding the result of the game.This rule is not enforced in 90% + tournaments I have played in.

FG is just sooking that he couldn't get a win from a dead drawn position.

lost
13-10-2009, 11:25 PM
Results round 2:

Pyke v Rujevic 1-0,
Levi v Lindberg 1-0,
Johansen v Dragicevic 1-0,
Hacche v Hamilton ½ ,
Sandler v Lee ½ ,
Morris v Kildisas 1-0

Reserves:

Dizdarevic v Ivanov 1-0,
Beaumont v Renzies 1-0,
Wijesuriya v Hayman 1-0,
Beattie v Toper 1-0,
Flude v Gamage1-0


lost

ER
13-10-2009, 11:35 PM
We had to play in the analysis room at BHCC tonight since the landlords had a function in the main building!
Trevor had warned us about some funny things that were going to happen during the night! They happened, none really cared, I found the whole thing amusing!
No drama last night, everything went smoothly!
Ops two minor incidents. I put my Tudor England book in Trevor's bag instead of mine by mistake and apparently that caused a tiny component of his computer to be lost! Could not find it! Willing to replace it if Trevor gives me the exact details.
I was told off by GM Johansen for making noise while shuffling the chocolates searching for my favoutite froggies! Sorry Darryl!
Inquired with Gary about the possibility of providing a piece mover and a score sheet filler for James whose hand is bandaged after that cricket accident. After all they do it in cricket, don't they have runners there? Seriously, I think James has trouble recording his moves! He never complaints though, when I asked him he said "it's getting better"!
The small No of reserves entrants reduced the No of games. So, no reserves games next Saturday at Elwood. Games will be played next Tuesday at BHCC!
Trevor made an announcement at the beginning about toilet use and exiting the place after a certain time as well as announcing free tea and coffee and refreshments for all courtesy of BHCC! He hurried to add "I am not the arbiter, too dangerous these days!"
Here is my game vs David Baumont


Event: Vic Champ Reserves 2009
Site: BHCC
Date: 14/10/09
Round 2
White: David
Black: Elliott
Result: 1-0


1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Be2 O-O 6. Nf3 Nbd7 7. O-O e5 8. d5 Nc5 9. Qc2 a5 10. Ne1 Ne8 11. Nd3 Nxd3 12. Bxd3 f5 13. f3 f4 14. a3 g5 15. Rb1 Nf6 16. b4 c6 17. c5 g4 18. Rd1 Nh5 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Bc4 Kh8 21. Rxd6 Qh4 22. Bb2 gxf3 23. Rxc6 Bf6 24. Nd5 Rg8 25. Nxf6 Nxf6 26. Bxe5 Rg6 27. Qb2 Kg7 28. Rxf6 Rxf6 29. Bxf6+ Qxf6 30. gxf3 Bh3 31. b5 Qxb2 32. Rxb2 Kf6 33. b6

I don't know of any other results, I left the venue as soon as my game finished to catch the train to the city on time!

that Caesar guy
14-10-2009, 01:30 PM
Elliot: Thanks for the concerns mate, but I think that I can record sufficiently; the main problem is Gary cant read it! :D
But thanks for worrying.

J.M.

ER
14-10-2009, 02:41 PM
We had to play in the analysis room at BHCC tonight since the landlords had a function in the main building!
What about that tremendous rook sac forcing mate by Dizdarevic in his game vs Ivanov!
Mehmetaliya if you read this please post the game it's a real beauty!

Kevin Bonham
14-10-2009, 02:45 PM
So what happened with Ivanov-Beaumont? Over and dusted and drawn?

ER
14-10-2009, 04:59 PM
I am not sure Kev, I am expecting an announcement by GB today. He stated last night he was going to publish results at same stage in the Forum. Now, I know that Jamie already has done that, but not about the game in dispute!

lost
14-10-2009, 07:28 PM
The result between Beaumont v Ivanov has being officially declared a draw. I spoke with Gary Bekker today about the matter and he asked the players last night if they wanted to continue on, but they accepted the result.

lost

ER
14-10-2009, 07:50 PM
The result between Beaumont v Ivanov has being officially declared a draw.

Thanks Jamie, very well informed as usual!


... but they accepted the result.

WHAT A Grand surprise!!!
[/QUOTE]

lost
14-10-2009, 08:04 PM
[QUOTE=justaknight]Thanks Jamie, very well informed as usual!

Thank you Elliott for your words.

lost

Mischa
14-10-2009, 08:06 PM
The result between Beaumont v Ivanov has being officially declared a draw. I spoke with Gary Bekker today about the matter and he asked the players last night if they wanted to continue on, but they accepted the result.

lost

Is it just me or does this read funny?
They accepted the result..............lost

lost
14-10-2009, 08:16 PM
Is it just me or does this read funny?
They accepted the result..............lost

I can see where you are coming from, but Gary Bekker asked both players if they wanted to continue on from the position, but both players agreed on the original result that was put to them on saturday. Hopefully it now makes sense now.

lost

Mischa
14-10-2009, 08:21 PM
No Jamie....it just is funny your handle saying "lost" after "they accepted the result"
sorry, my twisted humour

Kevin Bonham
14-10-2009, 08:28 PM
Glad to hear it ended smoothly. I note that Shaun Press on his Chess Rules (http://chesslaw.blogspot.com/) second blog mentions discussing the matter with Gary Bekker and gives Ivanov's words as "It's draw".

gbekker
15-10-2009, 01:10 PM
Saturday 17th:
--------------

Championship (Rd 3):

Lee - Morris
Lindberg - Sandler
Hamilton - Levi
Rujevic - Hacche
Dragicevic - Pyke
Kildisas - Johansen

No Reserves Games this Saturday


Tuesday 20th:
-------------

Championship (Rd 4):

Morris - Johansen
Pyke - Kildisas
Hacche - Dragicevic
Levi - Rujevic
Sandler - Hamilton
Lee - Lindberg

Reserves (Rd 3):

Gamage - Beattie
Ivanov - Flude
Renzies - Dizdarevic
Hayman - Beaumont
Toper - Wijesuriya


Thursday 22nd:
--------------

Championship (Rd 5):

Lindberg - Morris
Hamilton - Lee
Rujevic - Sandler
Dragicevic - Levi
Kildisas - Hacche
Johansen - Pyke

Reserves (Rd 4):

Beattie - Wijesuriya
Beaumont - Toper
Dizdarevic - Hayman
Flude - Renzies
Gamage - Ivanov

gbekker
15-10-2009, 02:03 PM
Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.13
Round: 2
White: Morris, James
Black: Kildisas, Victor
Result: 1-0
ECO: A26

1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 g6 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nf3 d6 6. O-O Nc6 7. Rb1 a5 8. a3
e5 9. d3 Nh5 10. b4 axb4 11. axb4 f5 12. Bg5 Nf6 13. Qb3 Be6 14. Nd5 Bxd5 15.
cxd5 Ne7 16. Nxe5 dxe5 17. d6+ Kh8 18. dxe7 Qxe7 19. Bxb7 Rab8 20. Bg2 c5 21.
b5 h6 22. Be3 Ng4 23. Bd2 e4 24. Bc3 e3 25. Bxg7+ Kxg7 26. f4 Kh7 27. b6 Nf2
28. Qa3 g5 29. Qa7 Qg7 30. Qxg7+ Kxg7 31. h3 gxf4 32. gxf4 Rf6 33. b7 Rg6 34.
Kh2 h5 35. Bf3 h4 36. Rg1 Rxg1 37. Rxg1+ Kf6 38. Ra1 Rg8 39. Ra8 Rg3 40. Bg2
1-0

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.13
Round: 2
White: Sandler, Leonid
Black: Lee, Wang-Sheng
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: E35

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Qc2 d5 5. cxd5 exd5 6. Bg5 h6 7. Bh4 g5 8. Bg3
Ne4 9. e3 c5 10. dxc5 Qa5 11. Nge2 Bf5 12. Bxb8 Bg6 13. Qc1 {
(13.Bc7! wins since 13...Qxc7? allows 14.Qa4+)} 13... Rxb8 14. a3 Bxc3+ 15.
Nxc3 Qxc5 16. Nxe4 Qxc1+ 17. Rxc1 dxe4 18. Be2 Ke7 19. Rc7+ Kd6 20. Rc4 Rhc8
21. Kd2 Rxc4 22. Bxc4 Rc8 1/2-1/2

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.13
Round: 2
White: Hacche, David
Black: Hamilton, Doug
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: A16

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. h4 Bg7 6. d4 c5 7. e4 Nxc3 8.
bxc3 Bg4 9. Qa4+ Bd7 10. Qa3 cxd4 11. cxd4 Nc6 12. Be3 O-O 13. Rb1 Bg4 14. d5
Bxf3 15. gxf3 Nd4 16. Bxd4 Bxd4 17. Bd3 Qc7 18. Ke2 h5 19. Qb4 Bb6 20. Rbc1 Qe5
21. Qc3 Qf4 22. Rc2 Rfd8 23. Qd2 Bc7 24. Qxf4 Bxf4 25. Rb1 Rab8 26. Rcb2 Rd7
27. Bb5 Rc7 28. Bc6 Kg7 29. Kf1 Be5 30. Rxb7 Rbxb7 31. Rxb7 Rxb7 32. Bxb7 Bf6
33. Kg2 Bxh4 34. f4 Kf8 1/2-1/2

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.13
Round: 2
White: Johansen, Darryl
Black: Dragicevic, Domagoj
Result: 1-0
ECO: B07

1. d4 d6 2. e4 Nf6 3. Nc3 Nbd7 4. f4 e5 5. Nf3 exd4 6. Qxd4 c6 7. e5 dxe5 8.
fxe5 Bc5 9. Qh4 Qe7 10. Bf4 Bb4 11. O-O-O Bxc3 12. exf6 Bxf6 13. Qg3 O-O 14.
Bd6 Qe3+ 15. Kb1 Qb6 16. b3 Re8 17. Bc4 Nc5 18. Ng5 Bxg5 19. Qxg5 Ne4 20. Bxf7+
Kxf7 21. Qh5+ g6 22. Qxh7+ Kf6 23. Rhf1+ Nf2 24. Rd2 Bf5 25. Rdxf2 Qd4 26.
Rxf5+ gxf5 27. Qh6+ Kf7 28. Rxf5+ 1-0

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.13
Round: 2
White: Levi, Eddy
Black: Lindberg, Douglas
Result: 1-0
ECO: B51

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bb5+ Nc6 4. O-O Bd7 5. c3 Nf6 6. Re1 a6 7. Bxc6 Bxc6 8.
d4 Bxe4 9. Bg5 Bd5 10. c4 Bxf3 11. Qxf3 e6 12. dxc5 dxc5 13. Bxf6 gxf6 14. Qxb7
Qc8 15. Qf3 Be7 16. Nc3 Rb8 17. Nd5 f5 {(17...exd5?? 18.Qxf6!+-)} 18. Nxe7 Kxe7
19. Qxf5 Rg8 20. b3 Qc6 21. Qh3 Rg5 22. g3 Qf3 23. Re3 Qg4 24. Qxh7 Rg6 25.
Rae1 Rd8 26. h3 Rg7 27. hxg4 Rxh7 28. Re5 Rc8 29. Kg2 Rhh8 30. g5 Rc6 31. f4
Rg8 32. Kf3 a5 33. R1e3 Kd6 34. Kg4 Kc7 35. f5 exf5+ 36. Kxf5 Kb6 37. Rd5 Rcg6
38. Kf4 Rc6 39. Rf5 Rf8 40. Rf6 1-0

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.13
Round: 2
White: Pyke, Malcolm
Black: Rujevic, Mirko
Result: 1-0
ECO: E69

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nf3 Bg7 4. g3 d6 5. Bg2 O-O 6. O-O Nbd7 7. Nc3 c6 8. e4
e5 9. h3 Qc7 10. Be3 Re8 11. Qc2 a6 12. dxe5 dxe5 13. c5 b5 14. cxb6 Nxb6 15.
b3 Bb7 16. Rfd1 c5 17. Rac1 Rac8 18. Nd2 Bf8 19. Ncb1 Re6 20. Na3 Ne8 21. Nac4
Nxc4 22. Nxc4 Nd6 23. Nxd6 Rxd6 24. h4 Rxd1+ 25. Qxd1 Qc6 26. Qd2 f5 27. Rc4
Rc7 28. Qc2 a5 29. Qc3 Qd6 30. exf5 Bxg2 31. Kxg2 gxf5 32. Qxa5 f4 33. Bc1 Qd5+
34. Kh2 Rf7 35. Qe1 Bh6 36. g4 Qf3 37. Qg1 Bf8 38. Qg2 Qd1 39. Bb2 Qe2 40. f3
Qe1 41. h5 Rd7 42. Rc2 Rd1 43. Kh3 Be7 44. g5 Qe3 45. Re2 Qd3 46. Bxe5 Qb1 47.
Bxf4 Rh1+ 48. Bh2 Bd6 49. f4 Qd3+ 50. Kg4 Bf8 51. Qf3 Qd7+ 52. f5 Qd1 53. Qe4
1-0

Publicist
15-10-2009, 04:15 PM
The draw for all rounds in both the Championship and the Reserves is now available on the CV web site.
Follow the link http://www.chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_results.htm

ER
15-10-2009, 04:16 PM
The draw for all rounds in both the Championship and the Reserves is now available on the CV web site.
Follow the link http://www.chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_results.htm

Fantastic, thanks Publicist! :clap: :clap: :clap:

look at Round 4 pairings:


Morris vs Johansen
Pyke vs Kildisas
Hacche vs Dragicevic
Levi vs Rujevic
Sandler vs Hamilton
Lee vs Lindberg

WOW!!!

Bereaved
17-10-2009, 06:41 PM
Hello everyone,

Here are the results of today's games




1 Wang-Sheng Lee 2254 2245 [1] .5:.5 James Morris 2194 2160 [2]
2 Douglas Lindberg 2039 1956 [.5] .5:.5 Leonid Sandler 2332 2240 [.5]
3 Douglas G Hamilton 2196 2065 [1.5] 0:1 Eddy L Levi 2242 2205 [1.5]
4 Mirko Rujevic 2300 2245 [0] 1:0 David J Hacche 2164 2061 [1]
5 Domagoj Dragicevic 2215 2118 [1] .5:.5 Malcolm L Pyke 2140 2065 [1]
6 Victor E Kildisas 2019 1904 [0] 0:1 Darryl K Johansen 2477 2440 [2]


Take care and God Bless, Macavity

Publicist
18-10-2009, 03:34 AM
Round 3 championship results and cross table are now available on the CV web site.
Follow the link: http://www.chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_results.htm

Bereaved
18-10-2009, 03:00 PM
Hi Publicist,

Could someone please amend the spelling of my name on the CV website. Malcolm as written is correct, not Malcom as appears on the website

Take care and God Bless, Macavity

Carl Gorka
19-10-2009, 10:28 AM
Well played so far James:clap: (Not bad for a sub;) )

Good luck against DJ:)

Igor_Goldenberg
19-10-2009, 10:54 AM
Good luck against DJ:)
Could be a title game.

Watto
19-10-2009, 11:10 AM
Are any of the games shown live online?

ER
19-10-2009, 12:36 PM
99.9% they are going to!
History proves so!
BHCC does it on a permanent basis!
The great clash of http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Battle/battle100.gif vs http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Battle/battle-27.gif will be shown live!!!
Then again don't quote me because if it doesn't happen I 'll be http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Battle/axe.gif!
:P

that Caesar guy
19-10-2009, 04:43 PM
99.9% they are going to!
History proves so!
BHCC does it on a permanent basis!
The great clash of http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Battle/battle100.gif vs http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Battle/battle-27.gif will be shown live!!!
Then again don't quote me because if it doesn't happen I 'll be http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Battle/axe.gif!
:P
Is this my game? Oh no, the tension, the tension! Not live!!!!!
Thanks Carl, substitutes can often turn the tables in soccer, so why not chess? :P
And everyone seems to have forgotten about Eddy Levi. He has played really well too. I liked his wins: simple, effecient, and never had difficulty. And his draw was almost effortless.
Just thought he deserved a mention. :)
(edit): and JAK, who's got the gun, and who's got the RPG? :D

J.M.

ER
19-10-2009, 07:05 PM
Is this my game? Oh no, the tension, the tension! Not live!!!!!
Hmm reminds me of Reykjavik 1972! Cameras in? I don't play! :P

Thanks Carl, substitutes can often turn the tables in soccer, so why not chess? :P
he only wanted to remind you of something here observe the cheeky wink! :P

And everyone seems to have forgotten about Eddy Levi. He has played really well too. I liked his wins: simple, effecient, and never had difficulty. And his draw was almost effortless.
Just thought he deserved a mention. :)
None underestimates Eddy, he is a true champ, and (like yourself) popular too!

and JAK, who's got the gun, and who's got the RPG? :D
well depends on who's White and who's Black, work it out! :) ok son, no more distructing you now, good luck tomorrow night, and I will be there barracking (silently) for you! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Bereaved
20-10-2009, 11:47 PM
Hello everyone,

here are the round 4 results in the championships



1 James Morris 2194 2160 [2.5] .5:.5 Darryl K Johansen 2477 2440 [3]
2 Malcolm L Pyke 2140 2065 [1.5] 1:0 Victor E Kildisas 2019 1904 [0]
3 David J Hacche 2164 2061 [1] 0:1 Domagoj Dragicevic 2215 2118 [1.5]
4 Eddy L Levi 2242 2205 [2.5] 1:0 Mirko Rujevic 2300 2245 [1]
5 Leonid Sandler 2332 2240 [1] 1:0 Douglas G Hamilton 2196 2065 [1.5]
6 Wang-Sheng Lee 2254 2245 [1.5] 1:0 Douglas Lindberg 2039 1956 [1]


Take care and God Bless, Macavity

Publicist
21-10-2009, 08:21 AM
Round 4 results and crosstable are now available on CV web site. Follow this link: http://www.chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_results.htm

Davidflude
21-10-2009, 09:44 AM
Following a successful appeal the game David Flude Roger Beattie will be played.

The game will take place at Box Hill. I am to nominate two suitable dates and times. Roger is to accept one of them.

Roger will concede 45 minutes on his clock being the amount he came late.

I accept the decision of the appeals committee. In my opinion they made a very reasonable decision.

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2009, 10:02 AM
Following a successful appeal the game David Flude Roger Beattie will be played.

The game will take place at Box Hill. I am to nominate two suitable dates and times. Roger is to accept one of them.

Roger will concede 45 minutes on his clock being the amount he came late.

I accept the decision of the appeals committee. In my opinion they made a very reasonable decision.Who was on the appeals committee this time?

Hopefully they did not uphold his appeal on the grounds that he did not know that FIDE had changed the laws of chess. After all you don't get to use a changed law as an excuse when you get done for breaking some driving law.

It would be interesting to hear how they came to their decision, given that the FIDE forfeiture time in place since 1st July 2009 is zero minutes and Roger was even later than this tournaments forfeiture time of 30 minutes.

Garvinator
21-10-2009, 10:45 AM
Who was on the appeals committee this time?

Hopefully they did not uphold his appeal on the grounds that he did not know that FIDE had changed the laws of chess. After all you don't get to use a changed law as an excuse when you get done for breaking some driving law.

It would be interesting to hear how they came to their decision, given that the FIDE forfeiture time in place since 1st July 2009 is zero minutes and Roger was even later than this tournaments forfeiture time of 30 minutes.
And the forfeit time is stated in the entry conditions on their website: http://chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_entry_information.htm

Publicist
22-10-2009, 04:10 PM
Round 3 results and cross table are now on CV web site> Follow this link: http://www.chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_results.htm

Publicist
23-10-2009, 06:43 AM
Round 5 Championship results and cross table are now available on CV web site. Follow the link

gbekker
23-10-2009, 10:46 AM
Round 3 Championship Games:

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.17
Round: 3
White: Lee, Wang-Sheng
Black: Morris, James
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: B22

1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. Nf3 e6 5. d4 cxd4 6. cxd4 Nc6 7. Bc4 d6 8. O-O
Be7 9. Qe2 Nb6 10. Bb3 O-O 11. Nc3 a5 12. a3 a4 13. Bc2 dxe5 14. dxe5 Ra5 15.
Qe4 g6 16. Bh6 Re8 17. Rfe1 Nd5 18. Rad1 Qc7 19. Rxd5 exd5 20. Nxd5 Qd8 21.
Nxe7+ Qxe7 22. Bg5 Qf8 23. Bxa4 Rexe5 24. Nxe5 Rxe5 25. Bxc6 Rxe4 26. Bxe4 Kg7
27. Bd2 f6 28. Bf3 Qf7 29. Bb4 Be6 30. Bxb7 Qxb7 31. Rxe6 Qd5 32. Re7+ Kh6 33.
Re1 Kg5 34. Bc3 Qc4 35. f3 h5 36. Re4 Qd3 37. Kf2 Kf5 38. Rd4 Qc2+ 39. Rd2 Qb3
40. h3 h4 41. Ke3 Ke6 42. Kd3 Kd5 43. Ke2+ Ke6 44. Ke3 g5 45. Re2 Qd1 46. Kf2+
Kf5 47. Rd2 Qb3 48. Ke1 Qb6 49. Kd1 Kf4 50. Re2 Qa6 51. Kd2 Kg3 52. Bb4 f5 53.
Bc3 Qc4 54. Ke1 Qd3 55. a4 Kh2 56. a5 Kg1 57. Be5 Qd5 58. Bc3 Qd3 59. Be5 Qc4
60. Bc3 Qd5 1/2-1/2

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.17
Round: 3
White: Lindberg, Douglas
Black: Sandler, Leonid
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: B85

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nc6 5. Nc3 Qc7 6. Be2 Nf6 7. O-O Be7 8.
Be3 O-O 9. f4 d6 10. Bf3 a6 11. a4 Re8 12. Kh1 Bf8 13. g4 Rb8 14. g5 Nd7 15.
Bg2 g6 16. Qe2 Na5 17. Rad1 b6 18. Qf2 Bb7 19. Nde2 Nc4 20. Bc1 Bg7 21. b3 Na5
22. Bb2 Nc6 23. Rd2 Ne7 24. Nd1 Bxb2 25. Nxb2 d5 26. Rfd1 Nc5 27. exd5 exd5 28.
Ng3 Rbd8 29. Nd3 Nxd3 30. Rxd3 Bc8 31. c3 Be6 32. Qd2 Rc8 33. Bf3 a5 34. Bg2
Nf5 35. Re1 Nh4 36. Bf1 Qc6 37. Bg2 Qc7 38. Re5 Red8 39. Ne2 Nxg2 40. Kxg2 Bf5
41. Rdxd5 Rxd5 42. Qxd5 Be6 43. Qb5 Qb7+ 44. Kf2 Qh1 45. Qxb6 Qxh2+ 46. Ke1 Bg4
47. Qe3 Qh1+ 48. Qg1 Qxg1+ 49. Nxg1 Rxc3 50. Rxa5 Rxb3 51. Kf2 Ra3 52. Ra8+ Kg7
53. Ra7 h5 54. gxh6+ Kxh6 55. Rxf7 Rxa4 56. Kg3 Be6 57. Re7 Ra3+ 58. Kf2 Bf5
59. Re3 Rxe3 60. Kxe3 g5 1/2-1/2

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.17
Round: 3
White: Hamilton, Doug
Black: Levi, Eddy
Result: 0-1
ECO: C45

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nxc6 bxc6 6. e5 Qe7 7. Qe2 Nd5 8.
c4 Nb6 9. Nd2 g6 10. Ne4 Bg7 11. Nf6+ Bxf6 12. exf6 Qxe2+ 13. Bxe2 Ba6 14. b3
O-O-O 15. Be3 Kb7 16. Rc1 Rhe8 17. O-O d5 18. Rfd1 d4 19. b4 dxe3 20. b5 cxb5
21. cxb5 Rxd1+ 22. Rxd1 exf2+ 23. Kf1 Bxb5 24. Bxb5 Re6 25. Be2 c5 26. Bf3+ Kc7
27. Kxf2 Rxf6 28. Rc1 c4 29. Ke3 Kd6 30. Kd4 Rf4+ 31. Kc3 Kc5 32. Re1 Na4+ 33.
Kc2 c3 34. Re7 a5 35. a3 h6 36. Kb3 g5 37. Rc7+ Kb5 38. Bc6+ Kb6 39. Rc8 Rc4
40. Bd7 Nc5+ 41. Kc2 Rh4 42. Rc6+ Kb5 43. Be8 Re4 44. Re6+ Kc4 45. Rxe4+ Nxe4
46. Bxf7+ Kd4 47. Bg6 Nd6 48. Bd3 Nc4 0-1

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.17
Round: 3
White: Rujevic, Mirko
Black: Hacche, David
Result: 1-0
ECO: B41

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 a6 5. c4 Nf6 6. Nc3 d6 7. Be2 Be7 8. O-O
Qc7 9. Be3 b6 10. f4 Bb7 11. Bf3 Nbd7 12. Rc1 O-O 13. Re1 Rfd8 14. Bf2 Bf8 15.
Qe2 Rac8 16. b3 Qb8 17. f5 e5 18. Nc2 b5 19. Ne3 Qa8 20. Bh4 b4 21. Ncd5 Bxd5
22. cxd5 Be7 23. Bf2 Qb7 24. Nc4 Qb5 25. g4 Ne8 26. h4 Nc5 27. g5 f6 28. Be3
Rc7 29. Kh1 a5 30. Nb2 Qxe2 31. Rxe2 fxg5 32. hxg5 Rdc8 33. Rec2 Bd8 34. Rc4
Kf7 35. Bh5+ g6 36. Bg4 Rb8 37. f6 Rb5 38. Bxc5 dxc5 39. Nd3 Nd6 40. Nxe5+ Ke8
41. R4c2 Nxe4 42. Re1 Nxf6 43. gxf6 Bxf6 44. d6 Rg7 45. Nd7+ 1-0

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.17
Round: 3
White: Dragicevic, Domagoj
Black: Pyke, Malcolm
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: B22

1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. Na3 Nc6 5. Nf3 g6 6. d4 cxd4 7. cxd4 Bg7 8. Bc4
Nb6 9. Bb3 d5 10. exd6 Qxd6 11. O-O O-O 12. Nb5 Qd8 13. Bf4 Bg4 14. d5 Ne5 15.
Qe2 Nbd7 16. Nbd4 Nxf3+ 17. Nxf3 Nc5 18. Bc4 b5 19. Bxb5 Qxd5 20. Rad1 Qxa2 21.
Qxe7 Ne6 22. Bd6 Bxf3 23. gxf3 Qxb2 24. Bc6 Rac8 25. Qb7 Rfd8 26. Qa6 Qb6 27.
Qxb6 axb6 28. Bb7 Rc3 29. Bb4 Rxd1 30. Rxd1 Rc7 31. Be4 Bd4 32. Kf1 Ra7 33. Bc6
Ra1 34. Rxa1 Bxa1 35. Bd2 Bd4 36. Bh6 Be5 37. Be3 Bc7 38. Ke2 Kf8 39. Kd3 Ke7
40. Kc4 Bxh2 41. Bxb6 Bf4 42. Kd3 h5 43. Ke2 Bd6 44. Kf1 Bc5 45. Ba5 Kd6 46.
Be8 Ke7 47. Bc6 Nf4 48. Bb5 Bd6 49. Bd2 Ne6 50. Bc4 f6 51. Bd3 Bf4 52. Bc3 Kf7
53. Bc4 f5 54. Kg2 Bg5 55. Bb4 Be7 56. Bc3 Bf6 57. Bb4 Be5 58. Bd2 Kf6 59. Bd5
Bd4 60. Bc4 Ke5 61. Bb3 Bb2 62. Bc4 Ba1 63. Bb3 Bd4 64. Bc4 Kf6 65. Bb3 Be5 66.
Bc4 f4 67. Ba5 Nd4 68. Bd8+ Kg7 69. Bd3 Ne6 70. Ba5 Kf6 71. Bc4 g5 72. Be2 Bc7
73. Bc3+ Be5 74. Ba5 Bd4 75. Bb4 Ng7 76. Ba5 Nf5 77. Bd8+ Kg6 78. Bd3 Bf6 79.
Bc7 Bd4 80. Bd8 Be5 81. Kh3 Bc3 82. Bb6 Bf6 83. Bc5 Bd8 84. Bd4 Bf6 85. Bc5 Be5
86. Bb6 Bc3 87. Bc2 Bb4 88. Bd3 Be7 89. Bd4 Bd8 90. Bc2 Bf6 91. Bc5 Be5 92. Bb6
Bd6 93. Bd4 Be7 94. Bd3 Bf6 95. Bc5 Be5 96. Bb6 Kf6 97. Bd8+ Kg6 1/2-1/2

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.17
Round: 3
White: Kildisas, Victor
Black: Johansen, Darryl
Result: 0-1
ECO: D02

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 c5 3. c3 d5 4. Bf4 Nc6 5. e3 Qb6 6. Qb3 c4 7. Qxb6 axb6 8.
Nbd2 b5 9. Ne5 Bf5 10. Be2 e6 11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. a3 b4 13. a4 Be7 14. a5 Ra6 15.
f3 Kd7 16. e4 Bg6 17. Bxc4 dxc4 18. Nxc4 Rha8 19. Bd2 bxc3 20. Bxc3 Kc8 21. Ke2
Nd7 22. b4 Rb8 23. Rab1 f6 24. Rhd1 Bf7 25. g3 Ra7 26. e5 Bg6 27. Rb2 Rab7 28.
a6 Ra7 29. Ra1 Nb6 30. Ne3 Nd5 31. Nxd5 exd5 32. Ra5 Rb5 33. Rba2 Rxa5 34. Rxa5
Kc7 35. exf6 gxf6 36. b5 cxb5 37. Rxb5 Kc6 38. Ra5 Bf5 39. Bb2 Bb4 40. Ra1 Kb5
41. Kf2 Rxa6 42. Rxa6 Kxa6 43. g4 Bc2 44. h4 Kb5 45. Ke3 Kc4 46. f4 Bc3 47.
Bxc3
Kxc3 48. h5 Bd1 0-1

gbekker
23-10-2009, 10:48 AM
Round 4 Championship Games:

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.20
Round: 4
White: Lee, Wang-Sheng
Black: Lindberg, Douglas
Result: 1-0
ECO: B22

1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. d4 cxd4 6. cxd4 d6 7. Bc4 Nb6 8. Bb5
dxe5 9. Nxe5 Bd7 10. Nxd7 Qxd7 11. O-O e6 12. Qg4 a6 13. Bxc6 Qxc6 14. Nc3 g6
15. d5 Nxd5 16. Nxd5 Qxd5 17. Rd1 h5 18. Qe2 Qb5 19. Qf3 Bg7 20. a4 Qc6 21. Qa3
Bf8 22. Qb3 Be7 23. Be3 O-O 24. Rac1 Qe4 25. Rc4 Qe5 26. Qxb7 Bf6 27. b4 Rfb8
28. Qf3 Qb2 29. Rf4 Rd8 30. Rf1 Kg7 31. Rxf6 Qxf6 32. Bh6+ 1-0

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.20
Round: 4
White: Pyke, Malcolm
Black: Kildisas, Victor
Result: 1-0
ECO: D47

1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c4 c6 4. Nc3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 a6 8. a4
b6 9. O-O h6 10. Qe2 Bb7 11. Rd1 b5 12. Bd3 b4 13. Ne4 Nxe4 14. Bxe4 Qc8 15.
Bd2 c5 16. Bxb7 Qxb7 17. Rac1 Rc8 18. e4 cxd4 19. Rxc8+ Qxc8 20. Nxd4 Bc5 21.
Rc1 Qb7 22. Nb3 Bd6 23. Na5 Qb8 24. Nc6 Bxh2+ 25. Kh1 Qd6 26. e5 Bxe5 27. Nxe5
O-O 28. Nxd7 Qxd7 29. Bxb4 Rb8 30. Bc3 Qxa4 31. Qe5 1-0

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.20
Round: 4
White: Morris, James
Black: Johansen, Darryl
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: B48

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nc6 5. Be3 Nf6 6. Nc3 Qc7 7. f3 a6 8. Qd2
Be7 9. g4 O-O 10. g5 Ne8 11. O-O-O b5 12. h4 Ne5 13. h5 Rb8 1/2-1/2

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.20
Round: 4
White: Sandler, Leonid
Black: Hamilton, Doug
Result: 1-0
ECO: D97

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Qb3 dxc4 6. Qxc4 O-O 7. e4 Na6 8.
Be2 c5 9. d5 e6 10. O-O exd5 11. exd5 Bf5 12. Bg5 h6 13. Bxf6 Qxf6 14. Rad1
Rfe8 15. Bd3 Bd7 16. Rde1 Rab8 17. Rxe8+ Rxe8 18. a3 h5 19. Rb1 Bg4 20. Nd2 Qe5
21. Nde4 Bf8 22. h3 Bd7 23. Rf1 Kg7 24. Qb3 f5 25. Ng5 Bc8 26. Nf3 Qf4 27. Nb5
Qb8 28. Qc3+ Kg8 29. Qf6 Re7 30. d6 Rg7 31. Bc4+ 1-0

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.20
Round: 4
White: Levi, Eddy
Black: Rujevic, Mirko
Result: 1-0
ECO: B43

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. Nc3 a6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 Qc7 6. Bd3 Nf6 7. O-O b5 8. a3
Nc6 9. Nxc6 dxc6 10. f4 Bb7 11. e5 Nd5 12. Ne4 Qb6+ 13. Kh1 Ne3 14. Bxe3 Qxe3
15. Qg4 O-O-O 16. Rae1 Qd4 17. f5 exf5 18. Nd6+ Rxd6 19. Bxf5+ Kb8 20. exd6
Qxd6 21. Re8+ Ka7 22. Bc8 Qc7 23. Bxb7 Kxb7 24. Rd1 h5 25. Qh3 Kb6 26. b4 Qf4
27. Qf3 Qc7 28. Rdd8 Rh6 29. Rxf8 Re6 1-0

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.20
Round: 4
White: Hacche, David
Black: Dragicevic, Domagoj
Result: 0-1
ECO: A55

1. d4 d6 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c4 Nbd7 4. Nc3 e5 5. e4 c6 6. Be2 Be7 7. O-O O-O 8. Be3
Qc7 9. d5 Nc5 10. Nd2 a5 11. f3 Nh5 12. Nb3 Nxb3 13. axb3 Bd7 14. Qd2 Nf4 15.
Rfd1 Nxe2+ 16. Qxe2 Rfb8 17. c5 Be8 18. dxc6 bxc6 19. Na4 dxc5 20. Bxc5 Rxb3
21. Rac1 Rd8 22. Qc2 Rb5 23. Bxe7 Rxd1+ 24. Rxd1 Qxe7 25. Rd2 g6 26. Qd1 Rb4
27. Qc2 Rb5 28. h3 Kg7 29. Qc3 f6 30. Kh2 Qb4 31. Qc2 Qb3 32. Qxb3 Rxb3 33. Nc5
Rb5 34. Ne6+ Kf7 35. Nc7 Rb7 36. Na6 Rb6 37. Nc7 Ke7 38. Nxe8 Kxe8 39. Kg3 Ke7
40. h4 Rb4 41. h5 Rd4 42. Rc2 Kd6 43. hxg6 hxg6 44. Rc3 a4 45. Rc2 c5 46. Kf2
c4
47. Ke2 Kc5 48. Rc1 Rd3 49. Rc2 Kb4 0-1

gbekker
23-10-2009, 10:50 AM
Round 5 Championship Games:

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.22
Round: 5
White: Kildisas, Victor
Black: Hacche, David
Result: 1-0
ECO: A42

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. c4 d6 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. Be3 e5 6. d5 Nce7 7. Qd2 f5 8. f3 Nf6
9. h3 O-O 10. Bd3 c6 11. Nge2 b5 12. cxb5 cxd5 13. exd5 Bb7 14. Bc4 Qa5 15. Rd1
Rac8 16. Bb3 Nd7 17. O-O f4 18. Bf2 Nf5 19. Ne4 Qxb5 20. N2c3 Qa6 21. Ba4 Nb6
22. Bb5 Qa5 23. Qd3 Qb4 24. a3 Qb3 25. Bxb6 axb6 26. Bd7 Rcd8 27. Ba4 Qxb2 28.
Rb1 Qxa3 29. Rb3 Qxb3 30. Bxb3 Nd4 31. Rb1 Rf7 32. Ne2 Nxe2+ 33. Qxe2 Bf8 34.
Ng5 Rfd7 35. Ne6 Rc8 36. Qb5 Rf7 37. Qxb6 1-0

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.22
Round: 5
White: Hamilton, Doug
Black: Lee, Wang-Sheng
Result: 1-0
ECO: C45

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bb4+ 5. c3 Bc5 6. Be3 Bb6 7. Bc4 Nge7 8.
O-O O-O 9. Qh5 d6 10. Nd2 Ne5 11. Bb3 Kh8 12. Kh1 Bg4 13. Qh4 Bd7 14. f4 N5g6
15. Qh5 Ng8 16. Rae1 c5 17. Nf5 Nf6 18. Qg5 Ne8 19. Qg3 Qf6 20. Bc2 d5 21. e5
Qd8 22. Nf3 Qc8 23. Qg5 f6 24. Qh5 Kg8 25. Ne7+ 1-0

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.22
Round: 5
White: Johansen, Darryl
Black: Pyke, Malcolm
Result: 1-0
ECO: E95

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. d4 O-O 6. Be2 Nbd7 7. O-O e5 8. Re1
exd4 9. Nxd4 Re8 10. Bf1 Nc5 11. f3 Ne6 12. Be3 c6 13. Qd2 d5 14. cxd5 cxd5 15.
e5 Nd7 16. Nxe6 fxe6 17. f4 a6 18. Rad1 Nb8 19. Ne4 Nc6 20. Nd6 Rf8 21. Bc5 Qc7
22. b4 b6 23. Be3 Nxe5 24. Nxc8 Rfxc8 25. fxe5 Bxe5 26. Bd4 Bxh2+ 27. Kh1 Bf4
28. Qd3 Re8 29. Ba1 Qe7 30. g3 Bh6 31. Bh3 Qf7 32. Rf1 Qb7 33. Rde1 Qd7 34. Rf6
1-0

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.22
Round: 5
White: Dragicevic, Domagoj
Black: Levi, Eddy
Result: 0-1
ECO: C30

1. e4 e5 2. f4 Bc5 3. Nf3 d6 4. Bc4 Nf6 5. d3 Be6 6. Bxe6 fxe6 7. c3 Nc6 8. b4
Bb6 9. b5 Na5 10. Qe2 Nh5 11. fxe5 dxe5 12. Bg5 Qd6 13. g3 O-O 14. Nbd2 Qc5 15.
c4 h6 16. Bh4 g5 17. d4 exd4 18. Nxg5 Ng7 19. Ngf3 Qa3 20. Ne5 d3 21. Nxd3 Nxc4
22. Nb3 Rf7 23. Qc2 Ne3 24. Qe2 Raf8 25. g4 Ba5+ 26. Nxa5 Qxa5+ 27. Qd2 Ng2+
0-1

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.22
Round: 5
White: Lindberg, Douglas
Black: Morris, James
Result: 1-0
ECO: B42

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 a6 5. Bd3 Nf6 6. O-O Qc7 7. c4 Bc5 8. Nb3
Ba7 9. Qe2 h5 10. Kh1 Nc6 11. f3 Ne5 12. Nc3 d6 13. Nd1 Bd7 14. Be3 b6 15. Rc1
Qb7 16. Nc3 Rc8 17. Nd4 Bb8 18. b3 h4 19. Qd2 Nh5 20. Nde2 Bc6 21. Nf4 Nf6 22.
Nh3 Rd8 23. Qe2 Kf8 24. Rfd1 g6 25. Bg5 Kg7 26. f4 Nxd3 27. Rxd3 Rd7 28. Qb2 e5
29. Bxf6+ Kxf6 30. Nd5+ Kg7 31. Rf1 Bxd5 32. Rxd5 f6 33. a4 Rh5 34. Qe2 Rf7 35.
f5 Qd7 36. Rd3 Rh6 37. Rd5 g5 38. Nf2 Rh8 39. h3 Qc6 40. Nd3 Ra7 41. Rc1 Rc8
42. Qh5 Qe8 43. Qxe8 Rxe8 44. Kg1 Kf7 45. Kf2 Rc8 46. Kf3 Ke7 47. Ra1 Rac7 48.
Nb4 a5 49. Na2 Rc6 50. Nc3 Rh8 51. Kg4 Rd8 52. Rad1 Rg8 53. Rb5 Ba7 54. Nd5+
Kf7 55. Nc3 Rd8 56. Rbd5 Bb8 57. Nb5 Ke7 58. Rh1 Rh8 59. Rd3 Rcc8 60. Nc3 Rc6
61. Nd5+ Kf7 62. Rd2 Ba7 63. Nc3 Ke7 64. Ne2 Rcc8 65. Ng1 b5 66. axb5 a4 67.
Ne2 axb3 68. Ra1 Be3 69. Rd3 Bb6 70. Ra4 b2 71. Rb3 Ra8 72. Rxa8 Rxa8 73. Rxb2
Ra3 74. Rc2 Bd4 75. Nxd4 exd4 76. Rd2 Rg3+ 77. Kh5 d3 78. b6 Kd7 79. Kg6 Kc6
80. Kxf6 Kxb6 81. Ke6 Kc5 82. f6 Re3 83. Rxd3 Rxe4+ 84. Kd7 Rf4 85. Rxd6 Rf2
86. Rc6+
Kd4 87. Ke7 Re2+ 88. Re6 1-0

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.22
Round: 5
White: Rujevic, Mirko
Black: Sandler, Leonid
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: B85

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nc6 5. Be3 Nf6 6. Nc3 Qc7 7. Be2 Be7 8.
O-O O-O 9. f4 d6 10. Bf3 a6 11. Qe1 Nxd4 12. Bxd4 e5 13. Be3 exf4 14. Bxf4 Be6
15. Qf2 Nd7 16. Kh1 Bf6 17. Rad1 Be5 18. Be2 Rac8 19. Rd2 Rfd8 20. Rfd1 Bxf4
21. Qxf4 Ne5 22. h3 h6 23. Qe3 b5 24. a3 Rb8 25. Qd4 Rb6 26. Bd3 Rbb8 27. Ne2
Qe7 28. Qf2 Rdc8 29. Nd4 Bd7 30. Be2 Rd8 31. c3 Rbc8 32. Qg3 Be6 33. Nf3 Bb3
34. Re1 Ng6 35. Nd4 Be6 36. Bg4 Ne5 37. Bf5 Kh8 38. Red1 Re8 39. Rf2 Rcd8 40.
Rdf1 Bc4 41. Rd1 Ra8 42. Bg4 Be6 43. Bf5 Rf8 44. Nf3 Bb3 45. Rd4 Rad8 46. Rfd2
Nc4 47. Rf2 Rfe8 48. Nd2 Na5 49. Bg4 Be6 50. Rd3 Nc6 51. Nf3 Bxg4 52. hxg4 Ne5
53. Rd4 Nc6 54. Rd1 Qxe4 55. Rxd6 Rxd6 56. Qxd6 Rd8 57. Qc7 Rd1+ 58. Kh2 f6 59.
Qc8+ Rd8 60. Qf5 Re8 61. Rd2 Qxf5 62. gxf5 Ne5 63. Nxe5 Rxe5 64. g4 h5 65. Kg3
hxg4 66. Kxg4 Kh7 67. Kf4 g5+ 68. fxg6+ Kxg6 69. Rd6 Re2 70. b4 Rc2 71. Rxa6 Rxc3
72. Ra5 Rb3 1/2-1/2

Bereaved
24-10-2009, 08:24 PM
Hello everyone,

Here are the round 6 results in the championships.



1 James Morris 2194 2160 [3] .5:.5 Malcolm L Pyke 2140 2065 [2.5]
2 David J Hacche 2164 2061 [1] 0:1 Darryl K Johansen 2477 2440 [4.5]
3 Eddy L Levi 2242 2205 [4.5] .5:.5 Victor E Kildisas 2019 1904 [1]
4 Leonid Sandler 2332 2240 [2.5] 1:0 Domagoj Dragicevic 2215 2118 [2.5]
5 Wang-Sheng Lee 2254 2245 [2.5] .5:.5 Mirko Rujevic 2300 2245 [1.5]
6 Douglas Lindberg 2039 1956 [2] 1:0 Douglas G Hamilton 2196 2065 [2.5]

Round 7 pairings to be played Tuesday 27th at BHCC at 7.30 pm



1 Douglas G Hamilton 2196 2065 [2.5] : James Morris 2194 2160 [3.5]
2 Mirko Rujevic 2300 2245 [2] : Douglas Lindberg 2039 1956 [3]
3 Domagoj Dragicevic 2215 2118 [2.5] : Wang-Sheng Lee 2254 2245 [3]
4 Victor E Kildisas 2019 1904 [1.5] : Leonid Sandler 2332 2240 [3.5]
5 Darryl K Johansen 2477 2440 [5.5] : Eddy L Levi 2242 2205 [5]
6 Malcolm L Pyke 2140 2065 [3] : David J Hacche 2164 2061 [1]



The only result I know of for sure in the reserves is that David Flude won his game.

Take care and God Bless, Macavity

PS I would still like my name fixed on the CV website!!

Igor_Goldenberg
25-10-2009, 11:12 AM
Title decider game in round 7? I knew Eddy is strong, but did not expect him to be a contender.

Watto
25-10-2009, 03:09 PM
Title decider game in round 7? I knew Eddy is strong, but did not expect him to be a contender.
Eddy was a contender last year though, coming equal second with Guy.

Igor_Goldenberg
25-10-2009, 04:52 PM
Eddy was a contender last year though, coming equal second with Guy.
I do remember it, but didn't expected it this year. Mainly because to compete with Johansen you have to keep winning almost every round.

AlexDavies
27-10-2009, 11:52 AM
Eddy was a contender last year though, coming equal second with Guy.

Eddy was the outright leader after 5 rounds of the 1993 Australian Open, ahead of Guy, Ian Rogers, AND Peter Leko :)

gbekker
27-10-2009, 09:56 PM
Round 6 Championship games:

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.24
Round: 6
White: Morris, James
Black: Pyke, Malcolm
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: B56

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. f3 Nxd4 7. Qxd4 g6 8.
Bg5 Bg7 9. O-O-O O-O 10. e5 Nd7 11. Qh4 f6 12. Bc4+ Kh8 13. exf6 Nxf6 14. Rhe1
Bd7 15. Bh6 Rc8 16. Bb3 a5 17. Bxg7+ Kxg7 18. Nd5 e5 19. Nxf6 Rxf6 20. f4 Rxf4
21. Qxd8 Rxd8 22. Rxd6 Rd4 23. Rd1 Rxd1+ 24. Rxd1 Kf6 25. Ba4 Ke7 26. Rxd7+
Rxd7 27. Bxd7 Kxd7 28. Kd2 Kd6 29. Kd3 Kd5 30. c3 a4 31. b3 b5 32. g4 g5 33. h3
h6 34. Ke3 e4 35. Kd2 Kd6 36. Ke2 Kc5 37. Kf2 Kd6 38. Ke3 Kd5 39. Kf2 Kd6 40.
Kg3 Ke5 41. Kf2 Kd6 1/2-1/2

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.24
Round: 6
White: Levi, Eddy
Black: Kildisas, Victor
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: C50

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. d4 Bxd4 5. Nxd4 Nxd4 6. O-O Nf6 7. f4 d6 8.
c3 Be6 9. Bd3 Nc6 10. f5 Bd7 11. Bg5 h6 12. Bh4 Qe7 13. Nd2 O-O-O 14. Nc4 Nb8
15. Ne3 Bc6 16. Bc4 Nbd7 17. Bd5 Bxd5 18. Nxd5 Qe8 19. Qa4 Kb8 20. Rad1 Rc8 21.
Bf2 Nb6 22. Qb4 Nfxd5 23. exd5 Qd7 24. b3 Rce8 25. Qe4 Reg8 26. c4 Nc8 27. b4
g6 28. f6 h5 29. c5 Qg4 30. Qd3 h4 31. h3 Qd7 32. Qc4 Qa4 33. Rc1 dxc5 34. Qxc5
Qd7 35. Rc2 Nb6 36. Rfc1 Rc8 37. Qa5 Rhd8 38. Rc5 1/2-1/2

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.24
Round: 6
White: Lee, Wang-Sheng
Black: Rujevic, Mirko
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: D55

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e3 O-O 6. Nf3 b6 7. Rc1 Bb7 8. Bxf6
Bxf6 9. cxd5 exd5 10. b4 Nc6 11. Qb3 Ne7 12. Bd3 c6 13. O-O a5 14. bxa5 Rxa5
15. a4 Nc8 16. Rb1 Ba6 17. Bxa6 Rxa6 18. e4 dxe4 19. Nxe4 Be7 20. Qc4 Ra5 21.
Qxc6 Qe8 22. Qxe8 Rxe8 23. Nc3 Bf6 24. Rfd1 h5 25. h3 g6 26. Kf1 Kg7 27. Rb4
Rd8 28. Rb5 Ra6 29. Rb4 Ne7 30. Rdb1 Nc6 31. Rxb6 Rxb6 32. Rxb6 Nxd4 33. Ne4
Nxf3 34. gxf3 Be5 35. Ra6 Rd3 36. Kg2 Ra3 37. a5 Bc3 38. Nxc3 Rxc3 39. Rb6 Ra3
40. a6 h4 41. Rc6 Kh6 42. Rc7 f5 43. a7 Kg5 44. Rh7 Ra1 45. f4+ Kxf4 46. Rxh4+
Kg5 47. Rh7 Kf4 48. Rb7 Ra2 49. Re7 Ra1 50. Rc7 Ra2 51. Rg7 g5 52. Rb7 Ke4 53.
Rb4+ Ke5 54. Rb7 Kf4 55. Re7 Ra1 56. Rc7 Ra2 57. Rb7 Ke4 58. Kf1 Kf3 59. Rb3+
Ke4 60. Rb7 1/2-1/2

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.24
Round: 6
White: Hacche, David
Black: Johansen, Darryl
Result: 0-1
ECO: A07

1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 c6 4. b3 Bg4 5. Bb2 Nbd7 6. d4 e6 7. O-O Be7 8. Nbd2
O-O 9. Ne5 Nxe5 10. dxe5 Nd7 11. Qe1 Qc7 12. e4 dxe4 13. h3 Bf5 14. g4 Bg6 15.
Bxe4 Nc5 16. Qe3 Rad8 17. Bxg6 hxg6 18. Nf3 Rd7 19. Rad1 Rfd8 20. Rxd7 Rxd7 21.
h4 Qd8 22. h5 gxh5 23. gxh5 Rd1 24. Bd4 Rxf1+ 25. Kxf1 Na6 26. Qe4 Nb4 27. a3
Qd5 28. Qxd5 Nxd5 29. c4 Nf4 30. a4 c5 31. Be3 Nxh5 32. Ke2 f5 33. exf6 gxf6
34. Kd3 a6 35. b4 cxb4 36. c5 Ng7 37. Kc4 Nf5 38. Nd2 Kf7 39. Nb3 Nxe3+ 40.
fxe3 f5 41. Na5 e5 42. Kd5 Kf6 43. Nc4 b3 44. Nb2 f4 45. exf4 exf4 46. Ke4 Bxc5
47. Kxf4 Bd4 48. Nc4 b2 49. Na3 Ke6 50. Ke4 Bf6 51. Nb1 Kd6 52. Kd3 Kc5 53. Kc2
Kb4 54. Nd2 Kxa4 55. Ne4 Bd4 56. Nd6 b5 57. Ne4 Ka3 58. Kb1 a5 59. Nd6 Kb4 60.
Nf5 Be5 61. Ne3 a4 62. Ka2 Kc3 63. Nd5+ Kc4 64. Ne3+ Kd3 65. Nd5 a3 66. Nb4+
Kd2 67. Kb1 Bc3 68. Nd5 b4 69. Nb6 a2+ 0-1

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.24
Round: 6
White: Lindberg, Douglas
Black: Hamilton, Doug
Result: 1-0
ECO: B69

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 a6 8.
O-O-O Bd7 9. f4 Be7 10. Nf3 b5 11. Bxf6 gxf6 12. Bd3 Qb6 13. Rhe1 O-O-O 14. Kb1
Kb8 15. Ne2 Rdg8 16. g3 Rc8 17. f5 Na5 18. Nf4 Rc7 19. c3 Nc6 20. Qe3 Qxe3 21.
Rxe3 Ka7 22. Re2 Rb8 23. Nd4 Nd8 24. g4 Rc5 25. Bc2 Bc8 26. Nd3 Rc7 27. Bb3
Rcb7 28. a3 Bf8 29. Re3 Re7 30. Rde1 Bb7 31. Rh3 h6 32. Rhe3 Kb6 33. Nf2 a5 34.
Nd3 Re8 35. Nf2 Rc8 36. Nd3 Rc7 37. Nc2 Rce7 38. Nf4 h5 39. Nxh5 Bh6 40. Rd3
exf5 41. Nxf6 Rh8 42. exf5 Rxe1+ 43. Nxe1 Bg5 44. h3 Nc6 45. Nd5+ Ka7 46. Nc7
Kb6 47. Nd5+ Ka7 48. Ng2 Ne5 49. Rg3 Nc4 50. Ngf4 Re8 51. Bxc4 bxc4 52. h4 Bxh4
53. Re3 Rg8 54. f6 Rxg4 55. Re7 Bxf6 56. Rxf7 Be5 57. Ne6 Rg1+ 58. Ka2 Rg8 59.
Ne7 Re8 60. Nc7 Rd8 61. Ned5 Kb8 62. Nb6 d5 63. Ne6 Rd6 64. Nd7+ Kc8 65. Ndc5
Rxe6 66. Nxe6 Bd6 67. Kb1 Bc6 68. Nd4 Bd7 69. Kc1 Kd8 70. Kc2 Ke8 71. Rh7 Be5
72. Rh5 Bxd4 73. cxd4 Be6 74. b3 Bf7 75. Re5+ Kd7 76. bxc4 dxc4 1-0

Event: Victorian Championship
Site: Melbourne
Date: 2009.10.24
Round: 6
White: Sandler, Leonid
Black: Dragicevic, Domagoj
Result: 1-0
ECO: A55

1. d4 d6 2. c4 Nf6 3. Nc3 Nbd7 4. e4 e5 5. Nf3 c6 6. Be2 Be7 7. O-O O-O 8. Qc2
a5 9. Rd1 Qc7 10. h3 exd4 11. Nxd4 Nc5 12. Be3 Re8 13. Nb3 Nfd7 14. Rd2 Bf6 15.
Nd4 Nf8 16. f4 Qe7 17. Bd3 g6 18. Re2 Nfe6 19. Nxe6 Nxe6 20. Ree1 Bd4 21. Bxd4
Nxd4 22. Qf2 Ne6 23. Rf1 Nc5 24. Bc2 f5 25. Rae1 Qf8 26. Qd4 Be6 27. exf5 Bxf5
28. Bxf5 gxf5 29. Kh2 Rad8 30. b3 Ne6 31. Qd2 Qf6 32. Re3 Nc5 33. Rfe1 Kf7 34.
R1e2 Ne6 35. Rd3 Nc5 36. Rxe8 Kxe8 37. Re3+ Kd7 38. Qe1 Rg8 39. Nd1 Ne4 40. Qe2
Qg7 41. Qf3 h5 42. Nc3 Nc5 43. Qe2 h4 44. Qc2 Qf6 45. Kh1 Ne6 46. Ne2 Qa1+ 47.
Ng1 Qg7 48. Re1 Nxf4 49. Qxf5+ Kc7 50. g4 Rf8 51. Qxa5+ Kb8 52. Qd2 Qg6 53. Kh2
Nd3 54. Re2 Ne5 55. Rf2 Rxf2+ 56. Qxf2 Qg5 57. Ne2 Qd2 58. Kg2 Qxa2 59. Nd4 Qb1
60. Qe2 Nd3 61. Ne6 Qxb3 62. g5 Qxc4 63. g6 Qxe6 64. Qxd3 Qf6 65. Qe4 Qb2+ 66.
Kf3 c5 67. Qe8+ Ka7 68. Qf7 Qb5 69. Kg4 Qe2+ 70. Kxh4 Qe4+ 71. Kh5 Qe2+ 72. Kg5
Qg2+ 73. Kf6 Qxh3 74. g7 Qf3+ 75. Ke7 Qe3+ 76. Kd7 Qh3+ 77. Kc7 1-0

gbekker
27-10-2009, 10:06 PM
The round 7 match Johansen - Levi is being broadcast live at
http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/live/tfd_full.htm

Enjoy! :-)

Publicist
28-10-2009, 08:15 AM
The round 7 championship results and crosstable are now available on the CV web site.
Follow the link: http://www.chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_results.htm

Watto
28-10-2009, 08:45 AM
The round 7 championship results and crosstable are now available on the CV web site.
Follow the link: http://www.chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_results.htm
Thanks Publicist. I've only checked one pair of players but thought I'd mention that the crosstable isn't accurate for them so it might not be accurate for others. Levi should have a 0 against Johansen and even though his total is correct, Johansen should have a 1 rather than a 0.5 against Levi.

Kevin Bonham
28-10-2009, 08:46 AM
Is there any word yet on why the Beattie 45 mins forfeit appeal was upheld or who the appeals committee were?

ER
28-10-2009, 01:56 PM
Is there any word yet on why the Beattie 45 mins forfeit appeal was upheld or who the appeals committee were?
None that I know of Kev, people were very much concentrating on their games last night, however, I believe there will be an announcement made.
All players in great form and good humour last night.
http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/congratulations-008.gifto GM Darryl Johansen who was beaming from happiness having once again been declared Vic Champion!http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/champion-018.gif
IM James Morris, was everpresent as usual, having won his game vs the legendary Doug Hamilton, went around showing people of all playing standards where they went wrong if they lost and how they had an easier win if they won! (I think it's time for James to start charging for these lessons, he actually demonstrated a very interesting endgame of Q vs R. I don't know if he is employed already in the field but he certainly has the talent and the patience (he won't leave untill he makes sure you understood the concept) to be one of our best Chess Teacher/Coaches.
Apart from that he absolutely devastated every non Blues supporter (including the staunch United fans, Eugene - sporting a fanciful Man Un jersey- and myself of course) with caustic pro Chelsea lines!
He also introduced a very sharp looking baseball hat last night!
More to come I have to go now!

Ian Rout
28-10-2009, 03:22 PM
Is there any word yet on why the Beattie 45 mins forfeit appeal was upheld or who the appeals committee were?
There is some discussion somewhere else.

Was the late player required to start with 45 minutes off his clock for the replay?

Kevin Bonham
28-10-2009, 08:11 PM
There is some discussion somewhere else.

Yes, it is by firegoat7 which itself tempts me to assume it false based on firegoat's woeful unreliability and changing of story re the incident involving himself. However, it is a much calmer post than usual from him so I'll provisionally treat it as accurate. The claim is that Beattie did not know because he turned up late for the opening round hence missed the briefing.


Was the late player required to start with 45 minutes off his clock for the replay?

I recall seeing that this was indeed the case.

Garvinator
28-10-2009, 08:46 PM
The claim is that Beattie did not know because he turned up late for the opening round hence missed the briefing.
In my opinion this should be no reason for the forfeit not being enforced, ignorance is no defence of the laws and it is his responsibility to comply with the rules of the tournament, not the other way around.

By missing the opening announcements or tournament opening meeting, that is the risk you take. As I also pointed out previously, the 30 minute rule is on the website.

Oepty
28-10-2009, 08:53 PM
In my opinion this should be no reason for the forfeit not being enforced, ignorance is no defence of the laws and it is his responsibility to comply with the rules of the tournament, not the other way around.

By missing the opening announcements or tournament opening meeting, that is the risk you take. As I also pointed out previously, the 30 minute rule is on the website.

I agree. Maybe there is more to this, but if not, I fail to see why the appeal was upheld.
Scott

Basil
28-10-2009, 08:53 PM
I mean what. is. the. point. of. having. and. publishing. a. rule. and then ... ah forget it. Carry on people - you're all doing a reasonably easy job moderately poorly! :D

Garvinator
28-10-2009, 09:22 PM
I agree. Maybe there is more to this, but if not, I fail to see why the appeal was upheld.Well if there was more to it, I would like to see it shown. I do hope my ranting ;) draws a response with some facts because the message I am getting so far out of this is- in Victoria we publish rules then as soon as they are required to be enforced, we cave.

TrueBeliever
28-10-2009, 09:24 PM
Now we are in trouble Queensland vomit has arrived

Kevin Bonham
28-10-2009, 09:27 PM
In my opinion this should be no reason for the forfeit not being enforced, ignorance is no defence of the laws and it is his responsibility to comply with the rules of the tournament, not the other way around.

By missing the opening announcements or tournament opening meeting, that is the risk you take. As I also pointed out previously, the 30 minute rule is on the website.

Indeed, under the new laws the forfeit time for a non-GP event in Australia is zero unless declared otherwise. The GP events are covered by ACF resolution - 60 mins for 2009, 30 mins for 2010.

Given that the forfeit time is zero minutes unless declared otherwise, a player can't just assume it will be one hour; a tournament might set any forfeit time it likes. So a player who is late at all to a round one briefing is running the risk of being forfeited, unless they make sure they find out from the organisers in advance what the forfeit time will be.

It certainly sounds like the overturning of the forfeit is inconsistent with the letter of the 2009 Laws and this raises the question of how many players are aware that the letter of the Laws has changed and what is being done to make sure all entrants in this sort of event know about it.


Now we are in trouble Queensland vomit has arrived

Perhaps you might care to alleviate that "trouble" by contributing some actual information about the situation?

Basil
28-10-2009, 09:28 PM
Now we are in trouble Queensland vomit has arrived
with doses of sanity and a clue for anyone standing about in a directionless flap. invoking state-based parochialism is a shoddy defence for obvious short-comings in execution. but if that's all you've got ... knock yourself out - please!

Oepty
28-10-2009, 09:31 PM
Now we are in trouble Queensland vomit has arrived

This comment is unnecessary, unhelpful and uncalled for.

Garvinator
28-10-2009, 09:50 PM
This comment is unnecessary, unhelpful and uncalled for.
But is a common tactic when the attacker most likely does not have anything of substance to contribute.

Desmond
29-10-2009, 10:32 PM
It certainly sounds like the overturning of the forfeit is inconsistent with the letter of the 2009 Laws and this raises the question of how many players are aware that the letter of the Laws has changed and what is being done to make sure all entrants in this sort of event know about it.I would have thought it sensible to delay implementation of the new rule, say until Jan 2010.

Bereaved
05-11-2009, 09:45 AM
Hi everyone,

Does anyone know what time we are scheduled to play the last round game at the National Gallery? it is stated that that is the place we are playing, but no game time.

Any help in this matter is appreciated

Take care and God Bless, Macavity

ER
05-11-2009, 10:23 AM
BTW are we playing tonight? GB made an announcement at the MCC but I was bickering with James about United and Chelsea and missed the point!

lost
07-11-2009, 06:38 PM
Results for today's round:

Championship:
Sandler v Johansen 0.5-0.5
Levi v Pyke 1-0
Lee v Kildisas 1-0
Lindberg v Dragicevic 0-1
Hamilton v Rujevic 1-0

Hacche v Morris has being postponed due to sickness on Morris' behalf and will be played this Wednesday.

Reserves:

Renzies v Beattie 1-0
Hayman v Ivanov 0.5-0.5
Toper v Gamadge 1-0
Wijesuriya v Flude 0-1
Beaumont v Dizdarevic 1-0

P.S If I have spelt names I apologise for the mispelling.

It was great to step up into the shoes as arbiter but great chess played all round today.

lost

Spiny Norman
07-11-2009, 06:55 PM
Renzies v Beattie 1-0
JAK, are you going to post this game?

ER
07-11-2009, 11:56 PM
It was great to step up into the shoes as arbiter but great chess played all round today.

lost

And another great performance as an arbiter by Jamie! He is doing such a fine job! :clap: Good on you son!

ER
08-11-2009, 12:24 AM
JAK, are you going to post this game?
Hi SK, it was an all out brawl, no holds barred fight to the very end as it usually is the case in our encounters with Roger! In the final stages he was clearly winning but then he blundered in time trouble!
I will publish the game later, we still have visitors here! :)

ER
08-11-2009, 02:55 AM
Event Victorian Championship Reserves
Site Elwood Chess Club, Melbourne
Date: 2009.11.07
Round 6
White RENZIES 1701 1353
Black BEATTIE 1878 1696
[Result 1-0
ECO B10

1. e4 c6 2. Nc3 g6 3. Bc4 Bg7 4. d4 d6 5. Be3 Nf6 6. f3 {getting into complicated terrain} O-O 7. Qd2 b5 8. Bd3 Re8 9. Nge2 a5 10. g4 Ba6 11. Nf4 b4 12. Nce2 Bxd3 13. cxd3 {13. Nxd3 was much better, but during the game I thought I had a strong pawn centre attack} e5 14. dxe5 dxe5 15. Ng2 Nbd7 16. h4 h5 17. g5 Nh7 18. Rc1 Rc8 19. f4 exf4 20. Ngxf4 Ne5 21. Rh3 Ng4 22. Bc5 Nf8 23. Qc2 Nd7 24. b3 Nxc5 25. Qxc5 Ne5 26. d4 Nd7 27. Qc2 c5 28.Nd5 Bf8 29. Qd3 {29. Kf2 cxd4 30. Qxc8 Qxc8 31. Rxc8 Rxc8 32. Nxd4} 29... Bg7 30. dxc5 Nxc5 31. Qf3 Nxe4 32. Rxc8 Qxc8 33. Qe3 Qd7 34. Qd3 Qf5 35. Rf3 Qe5 36. Re3 Qa1 37. Qd1 Qxd1 {bad choice! 37 ... Qxa2 with two Pawns up is impossible for White to hold} 38. Kxd1 Nf2 39. Kd2 Rd8 40. Nef4 Ng4 41. Rd3 Re8 42. Ne2 Nf2 43. Re3 Rd8 44. Nef4 Ng4 45. Rd3 Re8 46. Ne2 Be5 47. Nd4 Bxd4 48. Rxd4 Kg7 49. Nc7 Re3 {?? time pressure! By the way this theme has occured numerour times in my games and it happens so I am always on the winning side} 50. Rxg4 Re7 51. Rc4 Rd7 52. Ke2 f6 53. Ne8 Kf7 54. Nxf6 Ra7 55. Nd5 Rd7 56. Rc7 1-0

McTaggart
08-11-2009, 11:03 AM
I would have thought it sensible to delay implementation of the new rule, say until Jan 2010.

Boris and Kevin you have gone to the heart of the matter. Adequate pre-tournament publicity/advertizing might well have advoided Beatties' failure to turn up in time. I know that he was unaware of the new regulation and it is inconceivable for a person like Beattie,who as we all know is an absolute stickler for rules and regulations being followed to the law, would have forfeited.
He is not connected to the internet nor does he use it to keep up with FIDE's latest promulgations. Instead he relies on posters, notices and the like being displayed in his club's notice board. Chess Victoria should not assume that everyone is internet savvy and it would not be unreasonable for this new regulation to be phased in over a period of time and more importantly to be applied with a bit more commonsense and understanding than has been the case.
After all, we want to attract and keep players involved in our tournaments not discouraged them like this. Shades of Wastell! his grey eminence still hangs over Victorian chess.

Garvinator
08-11-2009, 11:16 AM
Boris and Kevin you have gone to the heart of the matter. Adequate pre-tournament publicity/advertizing might well have advoided Beatties' failure to turn up in time. I know that he was unaware of the new regulation and it is inconceivable for a person like Beattie,who as we all know is an absolute stickler for rules and regulations being followed to the law, would have forfeited.
He is not connected to the internet nor does he use it to keep up with FIDE's latest promulgations. Instead he relies on posters, notices and the like being displayed in his club's notice board.
How did Beattie enter the tournament? Where did he get his information from. If he is not internet savvy, then I assume he read a poster or the like?

As for CV's role. This change was well known to be coming and to be implemented from July 1. I would like to know how much discussion and information dis-semination took place to inform the clubs (CV) and tournament organisers/players of the change to the rule and what CV's recommended forfeit time would be.

CV can not claim to be out of the loop as they have an ACF delegate and that delegate would have been aware of the ACF's position on this matter and so should have been passing that information on to CV for discussion at the state level.

Basil
08-11-2009, 11:21 AM
^
A reasonable effort marred by an unnecessary kick at the end (marking you and not Wastell).

The post's thrust is also too cute by half. If the player concerned relies on not being digitally savvy, then the onus is on him to increase his efforts elsewhere (as opposed to what used to get him through) - and this basic onus would include turning up on time to hear notices.

Garvinator
08-11-2009, 11:26 AM
Has there actually been an answer to why the forfeit decision was reversed by the appeals committee?

Spiny Norman
08-11-2009, 12:26 PM
Nicely played JAK ... very brave! (leaving your king in the centre). Interesting game with a lot of tactical activity going on.

ER
08-11-2009, 12:29 PM
I agree with Garvo. :eek: Questions must be asked and answered! It helps!

lost
08-11-2009, 12:36 PM
And another great performance as an arbiter by Jamie! He is doing such a fine job! :clap: Good on you son!


Thank you for your kind words Elliott. As I had said at the start of the round: If you have no complaints and you play good chess then its a win-win situation.

The players have a good game of chess and the arbiter has the round run smoothly.

lost

McTaggart
08-11-2009, 11:05 PM
No Gunnar, I was not trying to be cute. I was simply making the point that there are chessplyers who are not digitall savvy,as you put it, and rely for their information on forth coming events by snail-mail or notices in the club. To announce a new ruling a few minutes before the commencment of play in the 1st round does not seem quite right to me however it may sound to you. Also, I did not say that Beattie was relying on being computer illiterate as an excuse for missing the start of play,he simply assumed that in the absence of any prior announcement he would be allowed an hours grace.
How he actually heard about the tournament I don't really know,although I could find out,sufficed to say, I still think that Boris and Kevin have made a good point.

Kevin Bonham
08-11-2009, 11:13 PM
Many players still find out about tournaments by word of mouth. But since not all players are aware of the changes in the Laws, organisers who accept entries from such players need to make sure the players are informed of the forfeit time requirements when the entry is accepted, not at a briefing before the start of round 1.

Basil
08-11-2009, 11:17 PM
To announce a new ruling a few minutes before the commencment of play in the 1st round does not seem quite right to me however it may sound to you.
Anything can be announced before the commencement of play. If it's reinforcing a (variation of a) FIDE rule, then so much the better.


Also, I did not say that Beattie was relying on being computer illiterate as an excuse for missing the start of play...
An excuse for being unaware of the rule. I disagree. You implied it and the implication was central to your case.


... he simply assumed that in the absence of any prior announcement he would be allowed an hours grace.
And this is where we agree. I'm sure I would have assumed exactly the same in his shoes.


I still think that Boris and Kevin have made a good point.
And we agree again. Perhaps the idea of introducing the rule on Jan 1 is a good one. Perhaps not. Either has merits.

My point is that in the absence of anything substantial, and there has been none; the rule was enacted and on the strength of that alone, it should have been enforced. Whether the rule should have been enacted in the first place is a separate matter outside of the farce before us.

Basil
08-11-2009, 11:20 PM
But since not all players are aware of the changes in the Laws, organisers who accept entries from such players need to make sure the players are informed of the forfeit time requirements when the entry is accepted, not at a briefing before the start of round 1.
A good point. A very strong one from the standpoints of fairness, etiquette and so forth - but not mandatory else the onus of advertising the changes in FIDE rules (among some others) falls to the organisers to make those changes a part of their acceptance. Tis too much.

Garvinator
08-11-2009, 11:47 PM
Many players still find out about tournaments by word of mouth. But since not all players are aware of the changes in the Laws, organisers who accept entries from such players need to make sure the players are informed of the forfeit time requirements when the entry is accepted, not at a briefing before the start of round 1.
If a player CHOOSES to rely on just word of mouth and does nothing else, then they leave THEMSELVES at the mercy of whatever rules each individual tournament has in place.

Why should the organisers have to keep carrying the can for all the whims of different players?

Kevin Bonham
08-11-2009, 11:55 PM
If a player CHOOSES to rely on just word of mouth and does nothing else, then they leave THEMSELVES at the mercy of whatever rules each individual tournament has in place.

Indeed - but when it comes to the forfeit rule, given that it was only changed from mid-year, they may not even be aware they are at the tournament's mercy in this manner.

The forfeit rule change is a dramatic one and I do think it's one where tournament organisers have some role to play in spreading awareness of the change when dealing with those players who could be out of the loop. That applies especially if accepting entries on a verbal basis which some tournaments are in the (not necessarily bad) habit of doing.

ER
09-11-2009, 01:30 AM
Nicely played JAK ... very brave! (leaving your king in the centre). Interesting game with a lot of tactical activity going on.
Thanks SK, I just had to go for it, Roger is a very strong player and one of my favourites for his many qualities, including his uncompromising spirit.

Leonid Sandler
09-11-2009, 09:08 PM
Victorian Championship round 9 game had been played tonight(instead of Thursday November 12th).

Johansen-Lee draw (19 moves Catalan opening)

Below are the current standings

1.Johansen 7,5 points from 9 games
2.E.Levi 6 points from 8 games
3.L.Sandler 5 points from 8 games
4.J.Morris 4,5 points from 7 games
5.Lee 4,5 points from 8 games
6.D.Dragicevic 3,5 points from 7 games
7-8.D.Hamilton and M.Pyke 3,5 points from 8 games each
9-10 D.Lindberg and M.Rujevic 3 points from 8 games each
11-12 D.Hacche and V.Kildisas 1,5 points from 8 games each

Next round Thursday November 12th at Melbourne Chess Club.
Starting time 7-30 pm

ER
09-11-2009, 09:48 PM
thanks Leonid any chance to have some information about the Reserves as well?

Leonid Sandler
10-11-2009, 06:53 AM
Below are the current standings

1.M.Dizdarevic 6 points from 7 games

2.D.Beaumont 5,5 points from 6 games

3.R.Beattie 4,5 points from 7 games

4.D.Flude 3,5 points from 6 games

5-6 N.Ivanov and E.Renzies 3,5 points from 7 games each

7.V.Wijesurija 3 points from 7 games

8.D.Toper 1,5 points from 5 games

9.A.Hayman 1 point from 6 games

10.T.Gamage 0 points from 6 games

Today Tuesday November 10th postponed game from round 4 Beaumont-Toper will be played at Melbourne Chess Club

Next round for Reserves tournament is Thursday November 12th .
Venue Melbourne Chess Club.
Starting time 7-30 pm.

The last round for Reserves Sunday November 15th at NGV(St.Kilda Road,Melbourne)

Starting time 12-00 noon.

Spectators are welcome

Igor_Goldenberg
10-11-2009, 05:24 PM
Victorian Championship round 9 game had been played tonight(instead of Thursday November 12th).


So much for non-postponement policy.

Mischa
10-11-2009, 11:08 PM
can we have the times for the final game for the championship please?
I am under narrow time constraints...would help to know when the games start

that Caesar guy
11-11-2009, 04:03 PM
Morris-Hacche will be played tonight at MCC, 7:30.

For those who want to know why it was postponed, I was really sick with a virus that went around the family.

I believe there is a 1-game postponement policy in operation.

J.M.

Igor_Goldenberg
11-11-2009, 04:06 PM
Morris-Hacche will be played tonight at MCC, 7:30.

For those who want to know why it was postponed, I was really sick with a virus that went around the family.

I believe there is a 1-game postponement policy in operation.

J.M.
James,
My rant was not against players postponing (it does not really matter in a round-robin) but against organisers who instilled such a rigid policy.
Hope you recover quickly.

Leonid Sandler
11-11-2009, 04:46 PM
Igor with great disbelief I have read your attacks against organisers of Victorian Chess Championship 2009.

But let facts do talking.

You have mailed your entry form to play with conditions that 4(out of 11) your games have to be rearranged,as you cannot play October 10 and 22 and also November 12 and 14th.

Over a few phone conversations with Championship organisers you had been told that is unacceptable as Championship 2009 policy only allow one game per player to be postponed under special circumstances(with Chief- Arbiter approval).

You have decided not to play and that was the end of the story.

You are saying that it does not really matter in a round-robbin tournament if players postponing their games.

I have to categoricaly disagree with you on this matter.

It is hard to imagine that you can postpone 4(!) round games out of 11(36,36%)....

Garvinator
11-11-2009, 07:19 PM
It is hard to imagine that you can postpone 4(!) round games out of 11(36,36%)....
Also imagine how much chaos it would cause if half the field tried to do this. It would make the set dates the organisers have gone to the trouble of organising completely worthless.

ER
11-11-2009, 08:20 PM
James Morris vs David Hacche 1-0! James is participating in the MCC Wed Endgame Group workshop at present!

Mischa
11-11-2009, 09:05 PM
home now
thank you Carl for giving him a lift

Publicist
12-11-2009, 04:18 AM
The CV website has now been updated with the standings for both the championship and the reserves. Follow the link: http://www.chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_results.htm

ER
12-11-2009, 08:29 AM
Thanks Chief good work :) !

Davidflude
12-11-2009, 11:49 AM
Remind me to show you a really good line against the kerosine. It has been played by Kasparov and Anand.

Igor_Goldenberg
12-11-2009, 02:37 PM
Igor with great disbelief I have read your attacks against organisers of Victorian Chess Championship 2009.

But let facts do talking.

You have mailed your entry form to play with conditions that 4(out of 11) your games have to be rearranged,as you cannot play October 10 and 22 and also November 12 and 14th.

Over a few phone conversations with Championship organisers you had been told that is unacceptable as Championship 2009 policy only allow one game per player to be postponed under special circumstances(with Chief- Arbiter approval).

You have decided not to play and that was the end of the story.


I didn't decide not to play, I could not play because I would not be able to be present at the time of those rounds.


You are saying that it does not really matter in a round-robbin tournament if players postponing their games.

I have to categoricaly disagree with you on this matter.

It is hard to imagine that you can postpone 4(!) round games out of 11(36,36%)....
In a round robin it should not cause any problems. I said that I was happy to ply the games before the corresponding round, not after. Doubt it would disadvantage anyone.

BTW, quite a few players couldn't play for the same reason - the structure is too rigid. Championship is held in different venues on different week-days, which means players have to be able to play on all days.

Grant Szuveges
12-11-2009, 10:37 PM
The following results are from tonights round at MCC:

Rujevic - Morris DRAW

Pyke - Sandler DRAW

Hacche - Levi DRAW

Dragicevic - Hamilton 1-0

Flude - Beaumont 0-1

Beattie - Dizdarevic 0-1

Ivanov - Toper 1-0

Renzies - ??? not sure what his name is DRAW

ER
12-11-2009, 11:08 PM
thanks Grant another very enjoyable night at the club!


The following results are from tonights round at MCC:

Rujevic - Morris DRAW

Pyke - Sandler DRAW

Hacche - Levi DRAW

Dragicevic - Hamilton 1-0

Flude - Beaumont 0-1

Beattie - Dizdarevic 0-1

Ivanov - Toper 1-0

Renzies - Adam Hayman DRAW

Mischa
13-11-2009, 11:51 PM
PLEASE the times for the game on sunday??????????

Metro
14-11-2009, 01:25 AM
PLEASE the times for the game on sunday??????????

The last round for Reserves Sunday November 15th at NGV(St.Kilda Road,Melbourne)

Starting time 12-00 noon.
:D

that Caesar guy
14-11-2009, 06:10 PM
Results from today: (no draws!)

Lindberg 0-1 Johansen
Sandler 0-1 Hacche
Lee 1-0 Pyke
Morris 1-0 Levi
Rujevic 1-0 Dragicevic
Hamilton 1-0 Kildisas

Congratulations to GM Darryl Johansen for winning the tournament with one round to spare.

JM

Publicist
15-11-2009, 03:20 AM
Round 10 championship results and cross table are now available on CV web site. Follow the link http://chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_results.htm

Garrett
15-11-2009, 06:18 AM
Congratulations to GM Darryl Johansen for winning the tournament with one round to spare.

JM

Congrats to Darryl. :clap:

Looks like you've also had a very good tournament James so well done to you too. :clap:

Cheers
Garrett.

Igor_Goldenberg
15-11-2009, 11:56 AM
Well done Darryl, record 12th time!

Basil
15-11-2009, 12:05 PM
Well done Darryl, record 12th time!
He probably head you the first, ... but we understand you're excited ;)

Garrett
15-11-2009, 12:10 PM
He probably head you the first, ... but we understand you're excited ;)

I've read this three times and I still don't understand it.

Basil
15-11-2009, 12:14 PM
I've read this three times and I still don't understand it.
Well, Adamski has congratulated Daz 12 times (which is apparently a s record for congratulating someone, but I digress). I go on to note that Adamski is probably excited with Daz's win and therefore we understand the repetition.

ER
15-11-2009, 04:56 PM
Actually when Darryl was asked the "how many times" question during the Closing Ceremony (*) his answer was: "I don't really know"!:lol:

(*) Geez Mischa is beautiful - she inspired me so much that while I was losing, I went back to my table and drew!

Mischa get rid of this "old is hard" thingy in your signature. You look much younger and fresher than ever! :)

Bereaved
16-11-2009, 01:13 AM
Hi everyone


The Reserves winner was David Beaumont with a massive 8.5/9 well done David!!:clap: :clap:

2nd was Mehmedalija Dizdarevic, who was one of the last players to arrive today and the first to finish after crunching David Flude's Sicilian Dragon after David got his moves out of order.

= 3rd was Roger Beattie and Vineetha Wijesuriya

Here also are the championships final standings; congratulations to Darryl on another fine win, and to James Morris, who is having an absolutely stellar year!! Well done to all the participants for playing in good spirits too


Place Name Feder Rtg Loc Score

1 Johansen, Darryl K VIC 2477 2440 9
2 Morris, James VIC 2194 2160 8
3-4 Levi, Eddy L VIC 2242 2205 7
Lee, Wang-Sheng OS 2254 2245 7
5 Sandler, Leonid VIC 2332 2240 6
6 Rujevic, Mirko VIC 2300 2245 5.5
7-8 Hamilton, Douglas G VIC 2196 2065 5
Pyke, Malcolm L VIC 2140 2065 5
9 Dragicevic, Domagoj VIC 2215 2118 4.5
10 Lindberg, Douglas VIC 2039 1956 4
11 Hacche, David J VIC 2164 2061 3.5
12 Kildisas, Victor E VIC 2019 1904 1.5

Take care and God Bless, Macavity

Davidflude
16-11-2009, 09:52 AM
2nd was Mehmedalija Dizdarevic, who was one of the last players to arrive today and the first to finish after crunching David Flude's Sicilian Dragon after David got his moves out of order.



I was suffering from a bad case of chess fatigue. Too many games over too short a period. The symptons include

- playing much too fast
- Overlooking opponents threats
- getting moves out of order
- missing opponents shots.
- not concentrating.
- playing superficially.

The long term solution will take time.

I need to work on physical fitness and weight reduction so reducing the effect of fatigue. These tasks are in hand. My gymnasium schedule suffered when I had viruses. Also my weight moved the wrong way.

I need to make my thought processing much more systematic. When I am tired I tend to make appalling mistakes often simply because I am not thinking systematically.

Metro
16-11-2009, 05:27 PM
Here also are the championships final standings; congratulations to Darryl on another fine win, and to James Morris, who is having an absolutely stellar year!!
Darryl:clap: :clap:
James:clap: Impressive!

Mischa
17-11-2009, 08:02 PM
JAK you made me blush again

Bereaved
25-11-2009, 11:46 PM
Hi everyone,

As you know Swiss perfect shows a variety of information about events through different views. In the view Ratings International, we see


No Name Feder Intl Id Rtg Score Exp. Chg*K Rav Rprfm

1. Sandler, Leonid VIC 3201805 2332 6.0/11 7.37 -14 2203 2239
2. Lee, Wang-Sheng OS 5800358 2254 6.0/10 5.60 4 2210 2282
3. Lindberg, Douglas VIC 3204650 2039 4.0/11 2.86 11 2222 2120
4. Hamilton, Douglas G VIC 3200191 2196 5.0/11 5.17 -2 2216 2180
5. Rujevic, Mirko VIC 3202437 2300 5.5/11 6.93 -14 2206 2206
6. Dragicevic, Domagoj VIC 3203328 2215 4.5/10 5.00 -5 2214 2178
7. Kildisas, Victor E VIC 3203352 2019 1.5/11 2.64 -11 2222 1913
8. Johansen, Darryl K VIC 3200035 2477 9.0/11 9.13 -1 2208 2470
9. Pyke, Malcolm L VIC 3203387 2140 5.0/11 4.29 7 2221 2185
10. Hacche, David J VIC 3200175 2164 3.5/11 4.62 -11 2219 2086
11. Levi, Eddy L VIC 3200183 2242 7.0/11 5.94 11 2211 2313
12. Morris, James VIC 3205800 2194 8.0/11 5.17 28 2216 2391


In which all the headers are straightforward enough, but I understand that it is using batched averages to calculate the performance ratings. Is there a way to do an easy conversion to real performance ratings?

I also believe that the rating change is done in the same way using batched averages; any easy way to get the more accurate and correct figure?

Thanks in advance,

Take care and God Bless, Macavity

Bill Gletsos
26-11-2009, 12:17 AM
In which all the headers are straightforward enough, but I understand that it is using batched averages to calculate the performance ratings. Is there a way to do an easy conversion to real performance ratings?No.

I also believe that the rating change is done in the same way using batched averages; any easy way to get the more accurate and correct figure?No.

Also note it is using a single K-factor of 10 for all players.

Bereaved
26-11-2009, 01:11 AM
No.
No.

Also note it is using a single K-factor of 10 for all players.


Hi Bill,

so the only way to gather the above figures I asked after is via individual calculation for each player; correct? Can you direct me, or do you know of an easy to use calculator for the matters I was interested in?

Take care and God Bless, Macavity

Santa
03-01-2010, 12:43 AM
Actually it is the zero minute rule.
If the time is to be anything other than zero minutes it must be advertised.

I am shocked.

I've been retired from chess for some time, and thought to reread the rules. I saw a change, but remembered it as 30 minutes. Maybe I got that impression from tournament ads, maybe it's something on the CAWA or ACF sites.

The main reason I'm respoding though it to point out the rule regarding resumption after an adjourment is different. It's sixty minutes.

http://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/LawsOfChess.pdf , guidelines ... item 10.

That is seriously strange.

Bill Gletsos
03-01-2010, 12:59 PM
I am shocked.

I've been retired from chess for some time, and thought to reread the rules. I saw a change, but remembered it as 30 minutes. Maybe I got that impression from tournament ads, maybe it's something on the CAWA or ACF sites.The ACF has set its default time for the Australian Championships/Juniors and ACF Grand Prix events for 2010 at 30 minutes.

The main reason I'm respoding though it to point out the rule regarding resumption after an adjourment is different. It's sixty minutes.

http://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/LawsOfChess.pdf , guidelines ... item 10.

That is seriously strange.Not really.
As far as I am aware no FIDE rated events now have adjournments.
That is Why FIDE removed the Articles regarding adjourments from the main body of the Laws of Chess imcluding the Appendices.


BTW the way John what drew you out of the woodwork after 13 years.

Santa
04-01-2010, 01:46 PM
BTW the way John what drew you out of the woodwork after 13 years.

Oh dear, I'm sprung;)

What sent me into retirement was the inflexibility of the club where I played which meant I couldnt postpone as many as I wished (two, early in a tournament)'. I was living relatively near my parents (about 300 km, not 3000), and wished to visit them from time to time on weekends.

Hava a look at the CAWA website. Look where the chess clubs are. See how far they are from Greenmount. There was one local, but it's long gone.

In Melbourne, I regularly played at Waverley (my principal club), Dandenong, Mentone, WhiteHorse, weekenders in Melbourne, and in Winterclub. Three or four of those were closer tnan any current WA club is to me.

I've played a bit at South Perth Senior Cits, but it's not very satisfying. Several times I've taken a rook on a1 with my fiancettoed bishop. On one occastion the other player was so shocked as to not capure the bishop, so I retrieved it. Some of them can't checkmate with k+r.

Importantly, my wife suggested I take it up again:clap:

Bill, I'd love to hear from you by email. I've enabled ėmail from other members